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(Chicago Sun-Times)   Employee at Whole Foods fired for calling off work because Chicago Public Schools called a snow day and she had to stay at home and take care of her special needs child. Shockingly, the uppity hipster outrage has yet to start   (suntimes.com) divider line 185
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2014-02-06 06:06:50 AM
shiat like this is what makes me glad I work for a really awesome boss.  Tuesday around 3pm I went to my manager and said "Dave, I need a personal day off tomorrow. Family emergency."   He didn't ask any questions, just said "take care of your family." and told me to leave early.

Thanks to that kind of cool bossitude, I was able to drive my wife and mother-in-law 2hrs through a blizzard to see the MIL's sister just a couple hours before she passed away.

When people ask me why I've passed up opportunities within the company that would pay me more money, but would require me to report to a different boss, stuff like this is why.

I think Whole Foods could maybe have been a little more flexible, but as many have pointed out, there's probably more to the story than what we're seeing in TFA. Maybe she has a history of using her "special needs" child as an excuse to leave early, not show up, etc etc.
 
2014-02-06 06:21:01 AM

Hermione_Granger: And then we get assholes in threads like these justifying asshole corporate behavior. She is not the problem. The system that doesn't allow for people to be human is the god damned problem


I'll agree that the system is the problem.  I have trouble conjuring sympathy though.  When I was married, my wife was chronically ill and I was raising my son all while working 60 hours a week.  It sucked and our attendance policies were pretty draconian.  I did it for 6 years.

I never forced my coworkers to pick up my slack though.  I had 3 backups to care for my wife and son if something happened. All my free time was spent caring for them and I had absolutely no life.  Now, you are absolutely right that when the parents I work with call out for every little reason making me work harder unexpectedly I am going to be irritated.  I didn't have your kid, I shouldn't have to work harder because of it.  Sorry.
 
2014-02-06 06:25:06 AM
Newflash: you do not get special work rules because you spit out some crotch fruit.
 
2014-02-06 07:17:30 AM

JK47: Everything wasn't open and transit wasn't running normally.


Good to know, since I - and all of my friends who also work in the loop - took transit normally to our completely open and operational offices that day.

Cool for you that you also got a snow day.  You were the exception.  Most adults didn't.

/not a "fellow"
 
2014-02-06 07:25:00 AM

FizixJunkee: jst3p: Nah, in retail they just schedule you for so few hours that you quit.

During college, I worked at a coffee shop.  The guy who owned it would do just that when he wanted to get rid of an employee: cut their hours so ridiculously---e.g., from full-time 40 hours/week down to less than 5 hours/week---that they had no choice but to quit.

Bonus: He didn't have to pay unemployment!

/guess which political party he aligned himself with


You sound like you've never run a business
 
2014-02-06 07:25:02 AM
Very likely this was an ongoing thing with her.  Mostly left unmentioned in this thread is the impact on the other workers.  Oh sure, the company should have given her more leeway.  The reality - everyone who decided to come to work has to pick up the slack for no extra pay. In a supermarket the absence of even one person who was scheduled to be there can be very disruptive.  We've all been to supermarkets before.  There are days where the shelves are poorly stocked, the lines are extra long and cash registers are unmanned.  It's frustrating for us, frustrating for managers, and frustrating to the workers that managed to get in.
 
2014-02-06 08:07:37 AM
The company I work for has a similar policy. Unexcused absences are called "occurrences". 6 of them within a certain time frame and you are out the door. Though some will be over looked if the the circumstances warrant, or you can provide enough prior notice. Also depends on how much of a dick the supervisor feels like being.

3 years on and I've yet to get one. Other folks have already racked up as much as 5. It's no wonder I rack up a lot of overtime.
 
2014-02-06 08:15:04 AM
Because the state or the city didn't declare a state of emergency. Just because CPS calls a snow day doesn't mean it is a city wide weather disaster.

To tell you the truth, this sounds like she was somebody they wanted to get rid of for whatever reason, and her calling in put her to the point, per her employment contract with the company, that they could fire her.


"At-will" workers don't have contracts. If they did, they'd have leverage against the employer.

Unionized workers have contracts. And, no matter the truth behind this particular event, it does appear that Whole Foods workers should unionize to deal with their Ayn Rand-esque CEO.

If Whole Foods shuts down as a result, more power to those companies that don't gouge customers.
 
2014-02-06 08:24:18 AM
I learned long ago that if Karen Lewis is involved, whomever she is currently protesting against is usually in the right. She loves to make every situation she can about her, the teachers union, etc. My guess is she could protest the hotel conditions in Sochi and turn it into a diatribe about how the City of Chicago is out to get her, and the Teachers Union, and of course...the poor children!

She's an utter tool.
 
2014-02-06 08:40:22 AM
She added: "With me having a son, there should be a policy instilled where working single mothers need a little bit of leniency and understanding, and I feel that just didn't happen to me."

Fark off. Even ignoring the very real possibility that you were fired because this has been a chronic problem, no policy needs to exist becasue of your special circumstance.

/ on the other hand, the Whole Foods CEO is a potato-headed Randian derpmonger, so I figure whoever wins this little contest it's a push
 
2014-02-06 08:58:17 AM

hooligan sidekick: up to five absences in a rolling six month period


I used to work for a major, multinational, billion dollar company. At my particular location there were problems in the past between the company salaried management and the union employees. Most people there still held grudges from a union lockout that happened in the mid 90s where the company locked out all union staff for 9 months and ran the plant themselves, poorly.

We got 3 sick instances (could be 1 day or several) in a rolling 12 month period. This is not nearly enough sick time for most people. Personally, my immune system sucks and I get colds often. This ended up forcing people who were pretty farking sick to come into work to avoid disciplinary action. They usually tried to stay away from the other people and the rest of the guys in their unit did all the work. It was no different than them being home as far as productivity was concerned, except that these sick people were potentially exposing others to it and increasing their own recovering time by having to be out and about.

If you were out for more than 3 days then you needed 2 doctors notes to be allowed back . "this person was sick" and "all healthy and ready to return to work". From the same doctor. So, you get sick enough to need a few days off. The flu or something. You have to see a doctor. Then once you're feeling well enough to return you have to schedule a doctors appointment for an all clear evaluation. Good luck scheduling doctors appointments to see a doctor withing a day or 2. Especially the same doctor twice in a short amount of time. My current GP is one that I can sometimes see the same day if I call in the morning but sometimes it takes a 2-3 days for an appointment.

The company was so farking paranoid that the employees were going to try to get one over on them. It created animosity. And people tend to rise to what is expected of them. Treat them like criminals and since they've already done the time you can be sure that they'll do the crime out of resentment.

That place sucked for several reasons. Their paranoid sick policy was just one of them.
 
2014-02-06 09:22:40 AM

fusillade762: gopher321: Gecko Gingrich: "Everyone has personal reasons or unexpected events that occasionally cause us to be late or miss work; recognizing this, our attendance policy in the Midwest region of Whole Foods Market is designed to provide support for our team members when these things happen. This includes a combination of excused and unexcused absences to provide the most flexibility," Phelps said in a statement. "Excused absences include illness (with a note from a medical provider), death in the family, jury duty, catastrophic events or city-wide weather disasters. Each team member is allowed up to five unexcused absences or 'points,' in a six-month period. No singular attendance event would cause a team member to be separated, and excused absences are not included in the 'points' system. Team members approaching their limit of unexcused absences receive warnings and reminders, and those who exceed their limit are separated."

read: this was not her fist time...or second time...or third...fourth...well, let's just say she has a habit of calling out

THIS

/non story

Seconded. I'd also like to know why "special needs" is in quotation marks.


It's in quotes because they meant "retarded" but aren't allowed to say that because of political correctness nazis.
 
2014-02-06 09:34:20 AM

MadAzza: How many of those who picketed Whole Foods in support of this woman's habit of missing work also offered to look after her child next time she needs help?

I'm going to guess "zero."


In these types of discussions someone will always make this exact dumbass comment. Do you think this woman would let a complete stranger look after her kid? If she did, and something happened, then you would be screaming for her head. And do you think it would be appropriate for a complete stranger to offer to look after her kid?
 
2014-02-06 09:41:06 AM

CtrlAltDestroy: The company was so farking paranoid that the employees were going to try to get one over on them. It created animosity. And people tend to rise to what is expected of them. Treat them like criminals and since they've already done the time you can be sure that they'll do the crime out of resentment.


Can't be repeated enough.
 
2014-02-06 09:57:41 AM

jso2897: Smackledorfer: jso2897: Nonrepeating Rotating Binary: Back in the late 80's, the company I worked for instituted a policy of "flexibility" for parents, in the name of supporting Working Families.  It quickly devolved into one massive excuse for parents to be absent at the drop of a hat and push all of their work off on the single and non-parent workers.  Within six months, there was a revolt by those of us being forced to pick up the slack as our 'family-minded' co-workers massively abused the system, and the whole thing was scrapped.

Yeah, sucks you have a kid who needs you.  But the terms of your job are not different because you're a parent.

It's really a shiatty situation, and this woman need help - but her employer isn't a charity or welfare agency - they can't deal with this, they sell groceries. By the way - where's daddy? Is she raising this child alone, and if so, why?
But if she can't really work and care for her child properly, she has to accept that and move forward.

Horseshiat.

We have high unemployment. Plenty of folks would take a part time average 20 hours jpb and accept being called in on her family days.

Where is daddy? Probably has a job too. But way to play the welfare stereotype...

I would have no problem giving her welfare - if Dad has flown the coop and left her high and dry, then society has to care for her and her kid, and I'm more than happy to pay my share. But the solution to this is not for her employer to try to cover for society failing to help her.
The idea that she must work to justify her and her child's existence, even if the kid's health problems make it impossible for her to hold down a job reliably, is the real problem here. At some point soon, we are going to have to look at the fact that worker productivity increases and market changes have put us at the point where we are going to examine the old biblical economic model. There will not be jobs for everybody again. Ever. And if we can't cure ourselves of our irrational hatred of the idea of a "welfare state", then we'd better think up another name to call it - because we are there, now.


I don't think you know what "irrational" means. You appear to imply that any rational person inherently believes that a limited number of working people must bear the burden of supporting any and all "unfortunates" presumably based on your definition of unfortunate. Because technology.

///I would enjoy society providing me with hookers and blow because I'm tired but semi erect but that doesn't make it rational to expect it.
 
2014-02-06 10:24:08 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: RyansPrivates: Cyclometh: BunkyBrewman: Those damn facts

Point of order- those are not  facts, they are assertions about the company's policy, and they specifically did  not comment on this woman's situation.

It is entirely possible that she was terminated for violating that policy, but there are no facts here, just what people are asserting to be true. It's also possible she was not in violation of the policy (although less likely in my opinion).

The question is, in my mind, why is this an unexcused absence if that was the case.  From the company's own statement of policy (relevant parts bolded):

...excused absences include illness (with a note from a medical provider), death in the family, jury duty, catastrophic events or city-wide weather disasters. Each team member is allowed up to five unexcused absences or 'points,' in a six-month period.

Why is this counted as an unexcused absence?

"Unexcused absence" WTF.
What is this, high school?
Does she need a note from her mommy as well?


ahh
unfamiliar with the adult working world.
you should go ahead and take out some more student loans to put it off as long as possible.
 
2014-02-06 11:04:20 AM
We have a problem worker at my job like this. She has 6 kids from 3 guys, age range from 1 to 10. She is late every day by at least 45 min, needs to leave early most days, misses at least a day a week When she is here she is on the phone dealing with some drama. They should have fired her weeks ago when she snapped at one of the guys that asked her a simple work related question. She can be very difficult to work with. I still remember when they asked me about hiring her full time and I told them that would be a bad idea from my observations of her work habits. I think the boss hired her on full time and wont fore her because she is a mom as well and a very nice person. Pisses me off that drama mamma takes advantage of her kindness and others have to pick up her slack.
 
2014-02-06 11:08:13 AM

Nonrepeating Rotating Binary: Back in the late 80's, the company I worked for instituted a policy of "flexibility" for parents, in the name of supporting Working Families.  It quickly devolved into one massive excuse for parents to be absent at the drop of a hat and push all of their work off on the single and non-parent workers.  Within six months, there was a revolt by those of us being forced to pick up the slack as our 'family-minded' co-workers massively abused the system, and the whole thing was scrapped.

Yeah, sucks you have a kid who needs you.  But the terms of your job are not different because you're a parent.


I was actually told by the micro-managing buttmunch-in-charge that since I didn't have a wife or kids, that I needed to be more flexible in consideration for those with families -- because I obviously didn't have much going on in my life outside of work.

The fact that he was right didn't make it any better, dammit.
 
2014-02-06 11:09:47 AM

jso2897: I would have no problem giving her welfare - if Dad has flown the coop and left her high and dry, then society has to care for her and her kid, and I'm more than happy to pay my share. But the solution to this is not for her employer to try to cover for society failing to help her.


Agreed.  Liberals love to do Enron-accounting with welfare costs by offloading them to the business world.  I'm not opposed to welfare, I'm rabidly opposed to off-the-books accounting.
 
2014-02-06 11:21:18 AM
I actually feel better about my crappy job now. We have a point system. You get 12 points total. Start at zero. Say your late or leave early an hour, you lose a quarter point. 1-3 hours, you lose half a point. You call off for over 3 hours, you get a whole point. The penalties are worse if you don't call the attendence line saying you will be late or not coming in. A no call/no show for the whole day will get you 3 points.

You can earn points back by showing up to work everyday for a month (not including scheduled PTO time). Thankfully we only need to give 3 days notice for PTO.


/also at my job, they don't care about my hours as long as I put in 8 hours between 6am and 6pm.
 
2014-02-06 11:49:39 AM
Don't go to work, then you no longer work there.
That's obvious, and it's the way it should be.
Your kid is your problem, and has no impact on me, my business, or anything else in the world.

Work ethic and personal responsibility.  Ideas that need to be looked into.
 
2014-02-06 12:17:00 PM

Nutsac_Jim: I come in when the hell I want 8 am to 10:30 AM
I leave when I want.  If I want to be gone for two hours for lunch and go look at an auction inspection, I do it.
I also make the company wads of money, instead of pretending to contribute an playing Facebook games all day.


...Says the asshat posting on fark during office hours.
 
2014-02-06 12:57:26 PM
A few thoughts:

- To those accusing me of jumping to conclusions, Whole Foods' "We can't comment on a specific case, but..." explanation *clearly* tells us that she had reached her limit of unexcused days off every six months.

- Every employee is given six days every six months to call in "not coming in today". That means on average they each have one day a month. Let's say there are 60 employees at this Whole Foods that all used the policy as this woman did. On average, there will be two people *a day* calling out. If there are 90 employees, that's three calling out a day. Someone has to do the work of the person who called out. If the deli is missing a person, I suppose you'll just be OK with grabbing chit number 87 and looking up and seeing that they're on number 61. If they're short a cashier, you'll not get pissed when they don't "Just open another register. I mean, what the hell! Look at this line!" Since the guy who normally just has to take care of the produce department is also taking care of the dairy case, you won't mind when the mango box is empty even though there is a case of them in back. *Your* boss will certainly understand why you came back from lunch 10 minutes late, right? And you certainly won't make a mental note that "This Whole Foods sucks," instead of, "I'm sure that my inconvenience is due to the fact that a single mom who was scheduled to come in today couldn't."

- Where do you draw the line on being able to call out? It's clearly more often than once month for a single mom with a special needs kid working at a grocery store, so twice a month? Once a week? Twice a week? How about if her kid isn't special needs? How about if it's just some alcoholic married guy without kids? How about if it's a firefighter?
 
2014-02-06 01:02:27 PM

jayphat: RyansPrivates: Cyclometh: BunkyBrewman: Those damn facts

Point of order- those are not  facts, they are assertions about the company's policy, and they specifically did  not comment on this woman's situation.

It is entirely possible that she was terminated for violating that policy, but there are no facts here, just what people are asserting to be true. It's also possible she was not in violation of the policy (although less likely in my opinion).

The question is, in my mind, why is this an unexcused absence if that was the case.  From the company's own statement of policy (relevant parts bolded):

...excused absences include illness (with a note from a medical provider), death in the family, jury duty, catastrophic events or city-wide weather disasters. Each team member is allowed up to five unexcused absences or 'points,' in a six-month period.

Why is this counted as an unexcused absence?

Was the city closed? Did the city declare all streets/roads closed? That is a city-wide emergency.


Not to pick nits, but the language doesn't say emergency, says disaster.  The schools were closed.  That is a public institution that thought it was catastrophic enough to close.  I know many, if not most companies would consider this an excused absence if the schools are closed.  Not only for parents, mind you, but for everyone.  School closings are used as a "barometer" for the level of safety in a locale.
 
2014-02-06 01:25:23 PM

Guest: zedster: Gecko Gingrich: "Everyone has personal reasons or unexpected events that occasionally cause us to be late or miss work; recognizing this, our attendance policy in the Midwest region of Whole Foods Market is designed to provide support for our team members when these things happen. This includes a combination of excused and unexcused absences to provide the most flexibility," Phelps said in a statement. "Excused absences include illness (with a note from a medical provider), death in the family, jury duty, catastrophic events or city-wide weather disasters. Each team member is allowed up to five unexcused absences or 'points,' in a six-month period. No singular attendance event would cause a team member to be separated, and excused absences are not included in the 'points' system. Team members approaching their limit of unexcused absences receive warnings and reminders, and those who exceed their limit are separated."

read: this was not her fist time...or second time...or third...fourth...well, let's just say she has a habit of calling out

So say she had 4 missed days in 5 months, Chicago has two days of no school and she has to look after her son. Boom! Fired.

To say the public schools closing due to weather is not a city wide weather alert seems disingenuous no?

Missing 4 days in 5 months is nothing for a mother.

School holidays
Curriculum days
children sick.  (that would be maybe a few with a healthy child).

Schools are just not inline with working hours.   Personally for myself it was easier when my child was just in creche once she went to school then the bullshiat started.  Schools really need to start aligning with the working hours of most people.


So I agree that schools/employers aren't lined up.  The problem is, especially in retail, the hours of operation  won't necessarily be.  This uncovers the problem that is the lack of a true childcare options beyond school, especially for parent's of younger (elementary school) or special needs kids.  So what do we do?  If we value work as a society (which we should), I think we need some sort of care infrastructure (not just kids, but elder care, etc).  What does that look like?  Subsidies from employers? Government programs?  I don't know, but I think the conversation needs to take place.
 
2014-02-06 01:34:47 PM
if you get sacked for something like that, then you really needed sacking

THERE IS NO FULLCAPPING EXCEPTION
 
2014-02-06 01:46:00 PM

fusillade762: gopher321: Gecko Gingrich: "Everyone has personal reasons or unexpected events that occasionally cause us to be late or miss work; recognizing this, our attendance policy in the Midwest region of Whole Foods Market is designed to provide support for our team members when these things happen. This includes a combination of excused and unexcused absences to provide the most flexibility," Phelps said in a statement. "Excused absences include illness (with a note from a medical provider), death in the family, jury duty, catastrophic events or city-wide weather disasters. Each team member is allowed up to five unexcused absences or 'points,' in a six-month period. No singular attendance event would cause a team member to be separated, and excused absences are not included in the 'points' system. Team members approaching their limit of unexcused absences receive warnings and reminders, and those who exceed their limit are separated."

read: this was not her fist time...or second time...or third...fourth...well, let's just say she has a habit of calling out

THIS

/non story

Seconded. I'd also like to know why "special needs" is in quotation marks.



Gluten sensitivity.
 
2014-02-06 01:56:07 PM

jso2897: Nonrepeating Rotating Binary: Back in the late 80's, the company I worked for instituted a policy of "flexibility" for parents, in the name of supporting Working Families.  It quickly devolved into one massive excuse for parents to be absent at the drop of a hat and push all of their work off on the single and non-parent workers.  Within six months, there was a revolt by those of us being forced to pick up the slack as our 'family-minded' co-workers massively abused the system, and the whole thing was scrapped.

Yeah, sucks you have a kid who needs you.  But the terms of your job are not different because you're a parent.

It's really a shiatty situation, and this woman need help - but her employer isn't a charity or welfare agency - they can't deal with this, they sell groceries. By the way - where's daddy? Is she raising this child alone, and if so, why?
But if she can't really work and care for her child properly, she has to accept that and move forward.


Move forward to what exactly? Living under a bridge and starving?

 GOP talking points aside, a lot of places do *not* pay to stay home and take care of your kids. That's why we have so many single working moms.

 I'm not sure why so many people give single moms such crap. Dad apparently has left her holding the "bag/kid" so to speak, she's doing the best she can to raise a kid (special needs or not) on one income in a two income world. 

 Some parents take advantage of stuff sure... but let's not assume the worst, especially when the deck is already stacked against someone.
 
2014-02-06 02:33:55 PM

Technoir: shiat like this is what makes me glad I work for a really awesome boss.  Tuesday around 3pm I went to my manager and said "Dave, I need a personal day off tomorrow. Family emergency."   He didn't ask any questions, just said "take care of your family." and told me to leave early.

Thanks to that kind of cool bossitude, I was able to drive my wife and mother-in-law 2hrs through a blizzard to see the MIL's sister just a couple hours before she passed away.

When people ask me why I've passed up opportunities within the company that would pay me more money, but would require me to report to a different boss, stuff like this is why.

I think Whole Foods could maybe have been a little more flexible, but as many have pointed out, there's probably more to the story than what we're seeing in TFA. Maybe she has a history of using her "special needs" child as an excuse to leave early, not show up, etc etc.


Depending on the "special" need missing more days than average is not necessarily an excuse. I drive the short bus (so called, but a misnomer, it's actually a mini-bus). And you'd be amazed how often those kids come home from school early or miss days entirely. 

 Usually it's things like therapy, which they have to have in spades to make even minor progress at things the rest of us take for granted. Sometimes it's a scheduled medical procedure or major surgery. Other times it's because the kid freaked out and wouldn't calm down. You generally don't keep them at school if they can't be kept with the other kids because they're hitting everyone in reach because they are upset (and they generally hit as hard as they feel like, which can start getting dangerous around 4th-6th grade depending on the size of the child.)

 Or perhaps they are medically fragile and have to have a nurse 24/7 to even stay *alive*. Or maybe they had a seizure, massive/dangerous blood sugar drop, suddenly stopped breathing, went into cardiac arrest.... seriously the list goes on.

 I have a ton of sympathy for special needs parents, I honestly don't think I could do it myself. I am amazed at any parent that can hold down a normal job while doing this because at any moment you may get a call from the school saying anything from "Your kid won't calm down we need you to come get them." to "Your kid was hit by another kid and needs to go home." to "Your kid had a seizure, we called the ambulance."

Now I agree though, if she's gaming the system. Fark her, hard. There are a lot of parents in the situations above who get screwed because of a$$holes like that.
 
2014-02-06 03:29:23 PM
ocd002: But the sick thing is there are people siding with the store instead of saying, "what kind of country are we if instead of making sure people can take care of their kids while still keeping their jobs, we pick on the person who couldn't leave their kids home alone to come to work."


Please explain what is "sick" about expecting people to take responsibility for their own lives and their own choices? If I had kids, I would never expect it to be my employer's problem to make accommodations if something happened with them. Ditto anything else - if I need to be out for a funeral, it's on me to find coverage for that day, or any other day I miss work and I'm physically capable of picking up a phone. Your employer isn't responsible for your life.
 
2014-02-06 05:40:29 PM

ongbok: MadAzza: How many of those who picketed Whole Foods in support of this woman's habit of missing work also offered to look after her child next time she needs help?

I'm going to guess "zero."

In these types of discussions someone will always make this exact dumbass comment. Do you think this woman would let a complete stranger look after her kid? If she did, and something happened, then you would be screaming for her head. And do you think it would be appropriate for a complete stranger to offer to look after her kid?


How do you know they were all "complete strangers"? And if someone does offer, it shows *real* good will. It doesn't mean she has to accept.

However, any time you use a large daycare facility, you are, in effect, turning your child over to strangers. Same with sending them to school.
 
2014-02-06 07:16:24 PM

MadAzza: ongbok: MadAzza: How many of those who picketed Whole Foods in support of this woman's habit of missing work also offered to look after her child next time she needs help?

I'm going to guess "zero."

In these types of discussions someone will always make this exact dumbass comment. Do you think this woman would let a complete stranger look after her kid? If she did, and something happened, then you would be screaming for her head. And do you think it would be appropriate for a complete stranger to offer to look after her kid?

How do you know they were all "complete strangers"? And if someone does offer, it shows *real* good will. It doesn't mean she has to accept.

However, any time you use a large daycare facility, you are, in effect, turning your child over to strangers. Same with sending them to school.


Leave it alone, you are showing your mentality and intelligence level by trying to argue that idiotic point you made.
 
2014-02-06 08:30:58 PM

ongbok: MadAzza: ongbok: MadAzza: How many of those who picketed Whole Foods in support of this woman's habit of missing work also offered to look after her child next time she needs help?

I'm going to guess "zero."

In these types of discussions someone will always make this exact dumbass comment. Do you think this woman would let a complete stranger look after her kid? If she did, and something happened, then you would be screaming for her head. And do you think it would be appropriate for a complete stranger to offer to look after her kid?

How do you know they were all "complete strangers"? And if someone does offer, it shows *real* good will. It doesn't mean she has to accept.

However, any time you use a large daycare facility, you are, in effect, turning your child over to strangers. Same with sending them to school.

Leave it alone, you are showing your mentality and intelligence level by trying to argue that idiotic point you made.


OK, little girl, you clearly aren't ready for adult conversations. You want to keep tossing pointless insults and avoiding any real discussion of how to solve the problem? Knock yourself out.

I'm not sure why you're so immature and hostile. You're clearly not interested in what others in the child-care field have to say and only want to project what you believe them to think, so go have fun whining to any friends you still have and strangers on the internet. 'Bye-'bye.
 
2014-02-06 10:05:26 PM

MadAzza: ongbok: MadAzza: ongbok: MadAzza: How many of those who picketed Whole Foods in support of this woman's habit of missing work also offered to look after her child next time she needs help?

I'm going to guess "zero."

In these types of discussions someone will always make this exact dumbass comment. Do you think this woman would let a complete stranger look after her kid? If she did, and something happened, then you would be screaming for her head. And do you think it would be appropriate for a complete stranger to offer to look after her kid?

How do you know they were all "complete strangers"? And if someone does offer, it shows *real* good will. It doesn't mean she has to accept.

However, any time you use a large daycare facility, you are, in effect, turning your child over to strangers. Same with sending them to school.

Leave it alone, you are showing your mentality and intelligence level by trying to argue that idiotic point you made.

OK, little girl, you clearly aren't ready for adult conversations. You want to keep tossing pointless insults and avoiding any real discussion of how to solve the problem? Knock yourself out.

I'm not sure why you're so immature and hostile. You're clearly not interested in what others in the child-care field have to say and only want to project what you believe them to think, so go have fun whining to any friends you still have and strangers on the internet. 'Bye-'bye.


It's not a pointless insult, if you can't tell the difference from leaving your child with a childcare professional and some random person at a protest, you are a dope.

And as for the protest, those were strangers to her. Those weren't Whole Foods employees protesting, that was a labor group protesting. Study it out.

But you are funny, you think it is appropriate to walk up to complete strangers and ask them to watch their kid. And you never said what people in child care have to say about it, you made a statement saying that the protestors, complete strangers I mind you, at a protest that happened after she was fired should have offered to watch her child on the day she missed. Think about that. Were they going to use their time machine to go back in time to help her? Now do you see why I called you an idiot?
 
2014-02-07 01:01:28 AM

ongbok: Now do you see why I called you an idiot?


I doubt he does.
 
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