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(The Raw Story)   "Ken Ham, please shut up. Let's not make a joke of ourselves." Was this spoken by A: Richard Dawkins? B: Bill Nye? or C: Pat Robertson?   (rawstory.com) divider line 47
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2014-02-05 04:39:12 PM  
Not really ironic. Robertson's called the guy a fool for a long time now. Even he thinks the YEC is stupid.

He also thinks marijuana should be legalized.

Doesn't make him right on every other issue he spouts BS on, but even a broken, stupid clock can be right twice.
 
2014-02-05 04:41:05 PM  

scottydoesntknow: Not really ironic. Robertson's called the guy a fool for a long time now. Even he thinks the YEC is stupid.

He also thinks marijuana should be legalized.

Doesn't make him right on every other issue he spouts BS on, but even a broken, stupid clock can be right twice.


Just goes to show that we should evaluate a person's arguments by the evidence for those arguments rather than who is making the arguments.
 
2014-02-05 04:41:24 PM  
Shut up, Mr. Ham. You are not brought upon this world to get it.
 
2014-02-05 05:02:13 PM  

Serious Black: Just goes to show that we should evaluate a person's arguments by the evidence for those arguments rather than who is making the arguments.

Which further invalidates Pat Robertson's whining. I don't judge Christians as a group for dumb shiat that Pat Robertson or Ken Ham say, so him worrying about "making a joke of ourselves" is misplaced. Doubly so since he doesn't worry about how it makes "them" look when he opens his mouth about gays, demons, global warming, or the president and feces tumbles out of it.
 
2014-02-05 05:10:02 PM  
"Now, then, Pat Robertson," he continued, "are you claiming the Bible is not [divinely] inspired when the Bible clearly tells us that the world is 6,000 years old?"

Good grief what a horrible "argument."   Even if we accept that it's divinely inspired, that doesn't makeUssher's interpretation  of it or his math correct.

But I guess when you're arguing from a position of ridiculousness, you gotta go with what you have available.
 
2014-02-05 05:13:21 PM  

Serious Black: scottydoesntknow: Not really ironic. Robertson's called the guy a fool for a long time now. Even he thinks the YEC is stupid.

He also thinks marijuana should be legalized.

Doesn't make him right on every other issue he spouts BS on, but even a broken, stupid clock can be right twice.

Just goes to show that we should evaluate a person's arguments by the evidence for those arguments rather than who is making the arguments.


Generally speaking, that's fair a fair and wise philosophy.

But speaking specifically:

1)  To understand anything Robertson says, you must ask yourself "What's his angle?"

2)  The YECs might want to self-assess if Robertson is calling them out.
 
2014-02-05 05:15:46 PM  
I think the clear solution to this theological debate is to have each of them champion their viewpoint in gladiatorial combat on a platform suspended over a volcano, which is then dropped into the volcano when one of them wins.  Or as soon as they get on it, either way.
 
2014-02-05 05:20:52 PM  
Too many people can't accept that the universe is indifferent to them.
 
2014-02-05 05:22:14 PM  
Pat realizes creationism hurts his revenue stream.
 
2014-02-05 05:23:02 PM  
Man, he must be smoking the good stuff.
 
2014-02-05 05:59:45 PM  

Diogenes: "Now, then, Pat Robertson," he continued, "are you claiming the Bible is not [divinely] inspired when the Bible clearly tells us that the world is 6,000 years old?"

Good grief what a horrible "argument."   Even if we accept that it's divinely inspired, that doesn't makeUssher's interpretation  of it or his math correct.

But I guess when you're arguing from a position of ridiculousness, you gotta go with what you have available.


not sure like 5 or 6 i think. you don't pay until you leave
 
2014-02-05 06:00:26 PM  

NickelP: Diogenes: "Now, then, Pat Robertson," he continued, "are you claiming the Bible is not [divinely] inspired when the Bible clearly tells us that the world is 6,000 years old?"

Good grief what a horrible "argument."   Even if we accept that it's divinely inspired, that doesn't makeUssher's interpretation  of it or his math correct.

But I guess when you're arguing from a position of ridiculousness, you gotta go with what you have available.

not sure like 5 or 6 i think. you don't pay until you leave


yeah that don't go there
 
2014-02-05 06:02:48 PM  

Diogenes: "Now, then, Pat Robertson," he continued, "are you claiming the Bible is not [divinely] inspired when the Bible clearly tells us that the world is 6,000 years old?"

Good grief what a horrible "argument."   Even if we accept that it's divinely inspired, that doesn't makeUssher's interpretation  of it or his math correct.

But I guess when you're arguing from a position of ridiculousness, you gotta go with what you have available.


no one but the fundiest fundies think divinely inspired means every word is correct. thats why it says inspired.
 
2014-02-05 06:05:15 PM  
Every now and then Pat seems to be logical.  Pot?  Evolution? Blow jobs?  Yep, he's for them all.  It's a shame that he isn't more level headed the rest of the time and use his power to get his listeners/views to do good deeds and be nice people
 
2014-02-05 06:41:46 PM  

NickelP: Diogenes: "Now, then, Pat Robertson," he continued, "are you claiming the Bible is not [divinely] inspired when the Bible clearly tells us that the world is 6,000 years old?"

Good grief what a horrible "argument."   Even if we accept that it's divinely inspired, that doesn't makeUssher's interpretation  of it or his math correct.

But I guess when you're arguing from a position of ridiculousness, you gotta go with what you have available.

no one but the fundiest fundies think divinely inspired means every word is correct. thats why it says inspired.


Do you mean to tell me that if I watch a movie that is 'inspired by true events', it may not be 100% accurate?  Preposterous.
 
2014-02-05 06:47:41 PM  
And Bill Nye's strategy starts to work. Now it's not just the evidence-based people standing against the YEC but the god-based too.

Get the really obviously crazy ones marginalized and then move on up the line.
 
2014-02-05 06:56:43 PM  
The colossal failure that is the YEC viewpoint is truly frightening to even read about.  If one of the biggest dumbasses in the world says you're embarrassingly stupid, that should be enough to induce suicide.  Hopefully tomorrow Kirk Cameron will call the guy a gullible moron and the whole YEC movement will implode.
 
2014-02-05 07:00:28 PM  
Talk about the fruitcake calling the ham potato.
 
2014-02-05 07:00:32 PM  
OK, I've said this before, but it bears repeating. My buddy's GF is one of these crazy young earth creationists. She LITERALLY BELIEVES that the Devil came to earth with a big ol' bag of "fake" dinosaur fossils, got his big ol' Devil shovel and dug him up some holes to put the faith-testing, devil-dino fossils in.

This woman is A PUBLIC SCHOOL TEACHER.

Great chick otherwise, but just...yeah.
 
2014-02-05 07:01:24 PM  

scottydoesntknow: Not really ironic. Robertson's called the guy a fool for a long time now. Even he thinks the YEC is stupid.

He also thinks marijuana should be legalized.

Doesn't make him right on every other issue he spouts BS on, but even a broken, stupid clock can be right twice.


Even Pat Robertson's not so stupid as to think that Ken Ham is a smart man.
 
2014-02-05 07:03:50 PM  

shanrick: Talk about the fruitcake calling the ham potato.


*SNORT* ok, need to refill my water bottle now.. thanks!
 
2014-02-05 07:09:30 PM  
And yet almost everything he said in that video was factually incorrect or just plain ignorant. Bishop Ussher lived in "the Middle Ages there--18 hundreds something...Bishop Ussher: 1581-1656.


"You're coming into all these layers that were laid down by the dinosaurs..."  With steam shovels.

"We have skeletons of dinosaurs that go back 65 million years."  Actually, that's when we stop seeing dinosaur skeletons.

"We have found a terasaurus rex..." New species!

However, whatever.
 
2014-02-05 07:10:41 PM  

Iszael: The colossal failure that is the YEC viewpoint is truly frightening to even read about.  If one of the biggest dumbasses in the world says you're embarrassingly stupid, that should be enough to induce suicide.  Hopefully tomorrow Kirk Cameron will call the guy a gullible moron and the whole YEC movement will implode.


We've waited for similar things to happen to the Birthers. Guess how that's going?
 
2014-02-05 07:22:56 PM  

rjakobi: Iszael: The colossal failure that is the YEC viewpoint is truly frightening to even read about.  If one of the biggest dumbasses in the world says you're embarrassingly stupid, that should be enough to induce suicide.  Hopefully tomorrow Kirk Cameron will call the guy a gullible moron and the whole YEC movement will implode.

We've waited for similar things to happen to the Birthers. Guess how that's going?


Honestly the Birthers have a better argument than Creationists do.  As preposterous as it is at least their conspiracy is possible without heroic supernatural intervention.
 
2014-02-05 07:33:27 PM  

Barfmaker: And Bill Nye's strategy starts to work. Now it's not just the evidence-based people standing against the YEC but the god-based too.


"Now"?

Bill Nye Weighs In On Pat Robertson's Remarks On Science, Age Of Earth (12/07/2012).
 
2014-02-05 07:35:15 PM  
What they call the creation story is really just the end of the last ice age.
 
2014-02-05 08:20:51 PM  
I'd like to hear more Catholics weigh in on this. I've never heard anyone with the Catholic Church agree with these young earth creationists. The church has founded and maintains several of the world's finest universities. They should publicly join the fools or help marginalize them.

BTW, I'm Catholic and my life-long Catechesis leads me to describe these guys as either insane or pathological liars.  But I don't speak for the church.
 
2014-02-05 08:24:56 PM  

imapirate: OK, I've said this before, but it bears repeating. My buddy's GF is one of these crazy young earth creationists. She LITERALLY BELIEVES that the Devil came to earth with a big ol' bag of "fake" dinosaur fossils, got his big ol' Devil shovel and dug him up some holes to put the faith-testing, devil-dino fossils in.

This woman is A PUBLIC SCHOOL TEACHER.

Great chick otherwise, but just...yeah.


As long as she's not teaching that in school she can believe whatever she wants.
 
2014-02-05 08:34:48 PM  

Cagey B: Shut up, Mr. Ham. You are not brought upon this world to get it.


Agrees:
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2014-02-05 08:39:29 PM  

T-Boy: I'd like to hear more Catholics weigh in on this. I've never heard anyone with the Catholic Church agree with these young earth creationists. The church has founded and maintains several of the world's finest universities. They should publicly join the fools or help marginalize them.

BTW, I'm Catholic and my life-long Catechesis leads me to describe these guys as either insane or pathological liars.  But I don't speak for the church.


I live in Kentucky. I have to pay good money to send my kids to Catholic school to NOT be inundated with this horse sh*t.
 
2014-02-05 08:44:50 PM  
Like all religous leaders, Pat doesn't want his followers thinking too hard about the Bible. It's really quite the shell game. The Bible is the literal Word of God, except when it isn't, then it was written by man. It tells you exactly how you should live your life, except when that's inconvenient, then it's a collection of stories and parables. It's more relevant to modern life than ever, except for all the parts that aren't.

Pat's no dummy. He knows that shining a light on the silly parts of the Bible is only going to alienate, and not convert.
 
2014-02-05 09:06:58 PM  

T-Boy: I'd like to hear more Catholics weigh in on this. I've never heard anyone with the Catholic Church agree with these young earth creationists. The church has founded and maintains several of the world's finest universities. They should publicly join the fools or help marginalize them.

BTW, I'm Catholic and my life-long Catechesis leads me to describe these guys as either insane or pathological liars.  But I don't speak for the church.


JPII specifically commented on evolution as good science and something that the Church is in no way, shape, or form, at odds with.  That sort of proclamation from the Vatican is rare, and is really just to distance ourselves from YECs.  It would actually be heresy to approach the Bible as literal truth.
 
2014-02-05 09:33:02 PM  

foxy_canuck: T-Boy: I'd like to hear more Catholics weigh in on this. I've never heard anyone with the Catholic Church agree with these young earth creationists. The church has founded and maintains several of the world's finest universities. They should publicly join the fools or help marginalize them.

BTW, I'm Catholic and my life-long Catechesis leads me to describe these guys as either insane or pathological liars.  But I don't speak for the church.

JPII specifically commented on evolution as good science and something that the Church is in no way, shape, or form, at odds with.  That sort of proclamation from the Vatican is rare, and is really just to distance ourselves from YECs.  It would actually be heresy to approach the Bible as literal truth.


Except for that one issue with Galileo.
 
2014-02-05 09:36:44 PM  
 
2014-02-05 09:53:03 PM  

Your Hind Brain: foxy_canuck: T-Boy: I'd like to hear more Catholics weigh in on this. I've never heard anyone with the Catholic Church agree with these young earth creationists. The church has founded and maintains several of the world's finest universities. They should publicly join the fools or help marginalize them.

BTW, I'm Catholic and my life-long Catechesis leads me to describe these guys as either insane or pathological liars.  But I don't speak for the church.

JPII specifically commented on evolution as good science and something that the Church is in no way, shape, or form, at odds with.  That sort of proclamation from the Vatican is rare, and is really just to distance ourselves from YECs.  It would actually be heresy to approach the Bible as literal truth.

Except for that one issue with Galileo.


Yeah, because the viewpoint of the catholic church almost 500 years ago accurately represents their current viewpoint. Fark em.
 
2014-02-05 10:12:08 PM  

zamboni: Your Hind Brain: foxy_canuck: T-Boy: I'd like to hear more Catholics weigh in on this. I've never heard anyone with the Catholic Church agree with these young earth creationists. The church has founded and maintains several of the world's finest universities. They should publicly join the fools or help marginalize them.

BTW, I'm Catholic and my life-long Catechesis leads me to describe these guys as either insane or pathological liars.  But I don't speak for the church.

JPII specifically commented on evolution as good science and something that the Church is in no way, shape, or form, at odds with.  That sort of proclamation from the Vatican is rare, and is really just to distance ourselves from YECs.  It would actually be heresy to approach the Bible as literal truth.

Except for that one issue with Galileo.

Yeah, because the viewpoint of the catholic church almost 500 years ago accurately represents their current viewpoint. Fark em.


True. The Vatican did say its okay to believe in aliens now.
 
2014-02-05 10:12:59 PM  
zamboni:

Yeah, because the viewpoint of the catholic church almost 500 years ago accurately represents their current viewpoint. Fark em.

When did HRC apologize to Galileo?  JP II did it in 1992.
 
2014-02-05 11:23:41 PM  

jayhawk88: Like all religous leaders, Pat doesn't want his followers thinking too hard about the Bible. It's really quite the shell game. The Bible is the literal Word of God, except when it isn't, then it was written by man. It tells you exactly how you should live your life, except when that's inconvenient, then it's a collection of stories and parables. It's more relevant to modern life than ever, except for all the parts that aren't.

Pat's no dummy. He knows that shining a light on the silly parts of the Bible is only going to alienate, and not convert.


I think you have a good point.  Any critical examination of the Christian Bible as if it were literal truth is bound to make the rest of it look absurd.  You can't claim that every word of it happened literally when there are obvious idiocies in it.

Now if we can just get them to please stop talking about the heinous genocide in the genesis flood as if it were somehow a sign of their god's omnibenevolence.  It's a horrifying disgusting myth about their god intentionally murdering every baby on the planet, every fuzzy cute little animal, everything we see in nature as being good.  If their god really cared enough to involve itself in the affairs of the planet, it would have erased the apocalypse from all of their books and oral history.  There'd be a special place in its hell for whoever came up with that story.  Maybe that's "why" there's no geological or historical evidence for it at all, the god thing wanted to make sure that any sane person wouldn't believe that myth...
 
2014-02-05 11:52:38 PM  
Pat Robertson: A pot so black that he has a negative albedo, calling a kettle black.
 
2014-02-06 12:06:45 AM  
"Pat Robertson is claiming, then, that 6,000 years comes from Ussher's book and not the Bible," Taylor said. "The point is, where did Ussher get his figure of 6,000 years?"
"Now, then, Pat Robertson," he continued, "are you claiming the Bible is not [divinely] inspired when the Bible clearly tells us that the world is 6,000 years old?"

Bishop Ussher's figure is a misinterpretation.  People once thought that the Bible clearly said that the earth was flat and that the universe revolved around the earth.
 
2014-02-06 01:51:32 AM  

Iszael: jayhawk88: Like all religous leaders, Pat doesn't want his followers thinking too hard about the Bible. It's really quite the shell game. The Bible is the literal Word of God, except when it isn't, then it was written by man. It tells you exactly how you should live your life, except when that's inconvenient, then it's a collection of stories and parables. It's more relevant to modern life than ever, except for all the parts that aren't.

Pat's no dummy. He knows that shining a light on the silly parts of the Bible is only going to alienate, and not convert.

I think you have a good point.  Any critical examination of the Christian Bible as if it were literal truth is bound to make the rest of it look absurd.  You can't claim that every word of it happened literally when there are obvious idiocies in it.

Now if we can just get them to please stop talking about the heinous genocide in the genesis flood as if it were somehow a sign of their god's omnibenevolence.  It's a horrifying disgusting myth about their god intentionally murdering every baby on the planet, every fuzzy cute little animal, everything we see in nature as being good.  If their god really cared enough to involve itself in the affairs of the planet, it would have erased the apocalypse from all of their books and oral history.  There'd be a special place in its hell for whoever came up with that story.  Maybe that's "why" there's no geological or historical evidence for it at all, the god thing wanted to make sure that any sane person wouldn't believe that myth...


There is geological evidence of massive flooding in the middle east a long farking time ago.  It wasn't the whole world, of course, but it was a big flood and might have seemed like the whole world if the most distance you've ever traveled is a few miles.  Plus shiat gets exaggerated though time.

/I'm an atheist, so don't think I'm defending bullshiat from the bible
 
2014-02-06 01:52:50 AM  

Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: "Pat Robertson is claiming, then, that 6,000 years comes from Ussher's book and not the Bible," Taylor said. "The point is, where did Ussher get his figure of 6,000 years?"
"Now, then, Pat Robertson," he continued, "are you claiming the Bible is not [divinely] inspired when the Bible clearly tells us that the world is 6,000 years old?"

Bishop Ussher's figure is a misinterpretation.  People once thought that the Bible clearly said that the earth was flat and that the universe revolved around the earth.


I'd like him to point to the exact verse that says this.
 
2014-02-06 02:31:05 AM  
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2014-02-06 02:52:43 AM  

2wolves: Too many people can't accept that the universe is indifferent to them.


Too many people can't accept that the universe is them.
 
2014-02-06 08:59:45 AM  

scottydoesntknow: Not really ironic. Robertson's called the guy a fool for a long time now. Even he thinks the YEC is stupid.

He also thinks marijuana should be legalized.

Doesn't make him right on every other issue he spouts BS on, but even a broken, stupid clock can be right twice.


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2014-02-06 11:57:42 AM  

Cagey B: Shut up, Mr. Ham. You are not brought upon this world to get it.


Now pay up! One thousand, one hundred and forty eight bucks, times two!

Are you crazy? Is that your problem?
 
2014-02-06 12:43:31 PM  

OgreMagi: I'd like him to point to the exact verse that says this.


It's not a single verse. As I recall, instead the ages given in various genealogies ( "Bob was born when Al was 43; Carl was born when Bob was 55....") and royal reigns give a fixed span of time between the Creation to the fall of Jerusalem to the Babylonian conquest -- which is recorded in non-Biblical chronologies, and can be dated within a decade or three at the most.

The parts from Adam to Abraham are mostly in Genesis 5 and 11.
 
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