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2014-02-05 06:13:13 PM
You can watch porn on your x-box?
 
2014-02-05 06:15:29 PM

cookiefleck: Profedius: I find I want more information into how this act was discovered. I think rape in the idea that he held her down tore her underwear off is less likely than a case of sexual experimentation that resulted in him having actual sex with his sister. I am guessing at some point she had wanted the play to end most likely at the point of penetration and he did not stop. I guess sometime after the event she told a parent. I am still wondering how as a parent you go from finding out your son had sex with your daughter to calling the police to have him arrested. For the wellbeing of the family wouldn't the parents try to correct the issue quietly and quickly before bringing in law enforcement? This event has been dragged out for I am guessing months with all of society expressing how horrible this was and how she was victimized by her own brother. She is going to be damaged now for life when it could have been over and recovered from more quickly. I would have handled the situation differently which I think would have had less impact on the development of both children.

her brother farked her because "she was small" and "knew that she wouldn't remember". Please RTFA before you get all MRA on an obvious sociopath.


He thought she wouldn't remember, he was proven wrong.  An 8 yro remembers, an 8 yro can talk, the sociopath thought she wouldn't talk because he convinced her to 'play'.
 
2014-02-05 06:15:49 PM

Some Coke Drinking Guy: You can watch porn on your x-box?


and on the Xbox One, it can watch you watch porn.
 
2014-02-05 06:18:02 PM

namegoeshere: vicioushobbit: Profedius: I find I want more information into how this act was discovered. I think rape in the idea that he held her down tore her underwear off is less likely than a case of sexual experimentation that resulted in him having actual sex with his sister. I am guessing at some point she had wanted the play to end most likely at the point of penetration and he did not stop. I guess sometime after the event she told a parent. I am still wondering how as a parent you go from finding out your son had sex with your daughter to calling the police to have him arrested. For the wellbeing of the family wouldn't the parents try to correct the issue quietly and quickly before bringing in law enforcement? This event has been dragged out for I am guessing months with all of society expressing how horrible this was and how she was victimized by her own brother. She is going to be damaged now for life when it could have been over and recovered from more quickly. I would have handled the situation differently which I think would have had less impact on the development of both children.

Oh my god. Parents correct the issue? Not report rape to the police ?

What are you, a catholic priest or a penn state alum?

I hope you realize that "letting the parents handle it" is how young rapists continue raping longer before they are caught. Though the amount of effort you went into qualifying how this situation might be okie dokie makes me think you won't get it.

Christ on sale, and I thought some of the other comments here were retarded...

I agree and add, this would also deny the victim the physical and mental health care she needs after being raped, as all doctors and counselors are mandated reporters. They would also have to coach her to shut the hell up and never, ever speak about it because any adult in her school, any coach, any girl scout leader, ect. is also a mandated reporter. Can you comprehend the message this would send to that little girl? Can you understand t ...


And to add (because the op turned my stomach so) if you handled the situation any differently than by reporting it immediately, not only would you damage the fark out of the victim child and deny them any sort of healthcare, not only would you teach that child that she was completely unimportant and deserved to be the victim of abuse and did NOT deserve any sort of care or justice for having been the victim of abuse, not only would you teach her that nothing bad that happens to her matters, not only would you take her voice away for life and make her unable to speak up about any sort of abuse in the future, not only would you set her up for any and all future victimization, not only would you damage her in this way, but when she did break and tell someone, you would be going to prison for hiding the crime. And you would farking deserve it. And she'd be left in foster care wracked with unimaginable guilt for it.
 
2014-02-05 06:20:20 PM

namegoeshere: And to add (because the op turned my stomach so) if you handled the situation any differently than by reporting it immediately, not only would you damage the fark out of the victim child and deny them any sort of healthcare, not only would you teach that child that she was completely unimportant and deserved to be the victim of abuse and did NOT deserve any sort of care or justice for having been the victim of abuse, not only would you teach her that nothing bad that happens to her matters, not only would you take her voice away for life and make her unable to speak up about any sort of abuse in the future, not only would you set her up for any and all future victimization, not only would you damage her in this way, but when she did break and tell someone, you would be going to prison for hiding the crime. And you would farking deserve it. And she'd be left in foster care wracked with unimaginable guilt for it.


How can anybody think of doing it any other way?  I mean jesus, a kid got raped.  Once that happens, there are no happy endings, do right by the victim first, last and always.
 
2014-02-05 06:22:13 PM

namegoeshere: namegoeshere: vicioushobbit: Profedius: I find I want more information into how this act was discovered. I think rape in the idea that he held her down tore her underwear off is less likely than a case of sexual experimentation that resulted in him having actual sex with his sister. I am guessing at some point she had wanted the play to end most likely at the point of penetration and he did not stop. I guess sometime after the event she told a parent. I am still wondering how as a parent you go from finding out your son had sex with your daughter to calling the police to have him arrested. For the wellbeing of the family wouldn't the parents try to correct the issue quietly and quickly before bringing in law enforcement? This event has been dragged out for I am guessing months with all of society expressing how horrible this was and how she was victimized by her own brother. She is going to be damaged now for life when it could have been over and recovered from more quickly. I would have handled the situation differently which I think would have had less impact on the development of both children.

Oh my god. Parents correct the issue? Not report rape to the police ?

What are you, a catholic priest or a penn state alum?

I hope you realize that "letting the parents handle it" is how young rapists continue raping longer before they are caught. Though the amount of effort you went into qualifying how this situation might be okie dokie makes me think you won't get it.

Christ on sale, and I thought some of the other comments here were retarded...

I agree and add, this would also deny the victim the physical and mental health care she needs after being raped, as all doctors and counselors are mandated reporters. They would also have to coach her to shut the hell up and never, ever speak about it because any adult in her school, any coach, any girl scout leader, ect. is also a mandated reporter. Can you comprehend the message this would send to that little girl? Can you understand t ...

And to add (because the op turned my stomach so) if you handled the situation any differently than by reporting it immediately, not only would you damage the fark out of the victim child and deny them any sort of healthcare, not only would you teach that child that she was completely unimportant and deserved to be the victim of abuse and did NOT deserve any sort of care or justice for having been the victim of abuse, not only would you teach her that nothing bad that happens to her matters, not only would you take her voice away for life and make her unable to speak up about any sort of abuse in the future, not only would you set her up for any and all future victimization, not only would you damage her in this way, but when she did break and tell someone, you would be going to prison for hiding the crime. And you would farking deserve it. And she'd be left in foster care wracked with unimaginable guilt for it.


Thank you both for articulating what frustration and anger made me incapable of expressing.

I sit too close to the subject to watch people say they could do it better by doing exactly what has been perpetuating abuse cycles for centuries.

This is not a kid who messed up; this boy knowingly raped his sister. This was not an accident. Make him farking accountable.
 
2014-02-05 06:24:18 PM

cookiefleck: ZeroCorpse: `Playing Devil's Advocate here...

Was what happened actual rape, as in, penetration of some sort? Or was it two young kids playing doctor? TFA is vague on this point.

Kids DO touch each other. They do experiment with their body parts with each other. There's a difference between normal childhood sexual experimentation, and rape.

Now, granted, this 13-year-old should be past the point of playing doctor, but some boys do mature more slowly and it's possible he was still mentally at that "your body is different from my body" mode.

I just think we're too quick to call anything vaguely sexual "rape" these days. If it was just "you touch mine and I'll touch yours" that's a lot different than "lay down and let me put this in you."

Again; Just asking a question. Not defending the little freak.

An 8 yr old cannot consent, so yes it's rape.


Where do you draw the line though? If two kids play doctor, is it rape? Who is the rapist? The older kid? The male?

I'm not saying what happened here wasn't rape, but that word gets applied to a lot of things these days that I don't consider rape.
 
2014-02-05 06:29:17 PM

James10952001: cookiefleck: ZeroCorpse: `Playing Devil's Advocate here...

Was what happened actual rape, as in, penetration of some sort? Or was it two young kids playing doctor? TFA is vague on this point.

Kids DO touch each other. They do experiment with their body parts with each other. There's a difference between normal childhood sexual experimentation, and rape.

Now, granted, this 13-year-old should be past the point of playing doctor, but some boys do mature more slowly and it's possible he was still mentally at that "your body is different from my body" mode.

I just think we're too quick to call anything vaguely sexual "rape" these days. If it was just "you touch mine and I'll touch yours" that's a lot different than "lay down and let me put this in you."

Again; Just asking a question. Not defending the little freak.

An 8 yr old cannot consent, so yes it's rape.

Where do you draw the line though? If two kids play doctor, is it rape? Who is the rapist? The older kid? The male?

I'm not saying what happened here wasn't rape, but that word gets applied to a lot of things these days that I don't consider rape.


That's nice. Im talking about *this* case. An 8 yr old cannot agree/consent to any sexual activity.The 13 yr old admitted to it. There is no question in this case.
 
Ant
2014-02-05 06:30:11 PM

vwarb: I never understand how people can't seem to grasp that millions of kids watch porn and grow up to be pretty much normal.


This. Thank you to whichever Penthouse collector suddenly found Jesus and dumped his entire collection of magazines behind our apartment building.
 
2014-02-05 06:31:00 PM
Kinect is watching you fap.
 
2014-02-05 06:31:12 PM

James10952001: cookiefleck: ZeroCorpse: `Playing Devil's Advocate here...

Was what happened actual rape, as in, penetration of some sort? Or was it two young kids playing doctor? TFA is vague on this point.

Kids DO touch each other. They do experiment with their body parts with each other. There's a difference between normal childhood sexual experimentation, and rape.

Now, granted, this 13-year-old should be past the point of playing doctor, but some boys do mature more slowly and it's possible he was still mentally at that "your body is different from my body" mode.

I just think we're too quick to call anything vaguely sexual "rape" these days. If it was just "you touch mine and I'll touch yours" that's a lot different than "lay down and let me put this in you."

Again; Just asking a question. Not defending the little freak.

An 8 yr old cannot consent, so yes it's rape.

Where do you draw the line though? If two kids play doctor, is it rape? Who is the rapist? The older kid? The male?

I'm not saying what happened here wasn't rape, but that word gets applied to a lot of things these days that I don't consider rape.


Penetration, oral sex.

Other touching is molestation, if non-exploratory. If deemed truly innocent, you express to the child personal boundaries, places that are no-touch, and so forth.

Playing dr is very different than oral sex or digital penetration, don't you think?

What do you nt consider rape, where the word has been used?
 
2014-02-05 06:32:04 PM
The funny thing is, the various social workers & law-enforcement personnel who are caring for the little girl/victim are almost certainly doing vastly more damage than the brother/rapist actually did. It's probably a non-stop train of hand-wringing adults, telling her about how damaged she now is, etc.
 
2014-02-05 06:32:34 PM

Mouser: JesusJuice: The little freak should be euthanized.  Nothing good can come of letting it grow into an adult.

Why not go the Kim Jong Un route and execute the entire family?  Odds are, you'll nab at least one extra pedo that way.


'Why not', indeed.
 
2014-02-05 06:33:34 PM

AbortionsForAll: The funny thing is, the various social workers & law-enforcement personnel who are caring for the little girl/victim are almost certainly doing vastly more damage than the brother/rapist actually did. It's probably a non-stop train of hand-wringing adults, telling her about how damaged she now is, etc.


You have experience on this topic? Data? Citations?

No?

Then fark you and the horse you rode in on.
 
2014-02-05 06:34:28 PM

vicioushobbit: AbortionsForAll: The funny thing is, the various social workers & law-enforcement personnel who are caring for the little girl/victim are almost certainly doing vastly more damage than the brother/rapist actually did. It's probably a non-stop train of hand-wringing adults, telling her about how damaged she now is, etc.

You have experience on this topic? Data? Citations?

No?

Then fark you and the horse you rode in on.


What makes you so sure I don't have direct experience on the matter..?

Seems to me like you should take your assumptions, and use them to fark yourself.
 
2014-02-05 06:35:13 PM

AbortionsForAll: vicioushobbit: AbortionsForAll: The funny thing is, the various social workers & law-enforcement personnel who are caring for the little girl/victim are almost certainly doing vastly more damage than the brother/rapist actually did. It's probably a non-stop train of hand-wringing adults, telling her about how damaged she now is, etc.

You have experience on this topic? Data? Citations?

No?

Then fark you and the horse you rode in on.

What makes you so sure I don't have direct experience on the matter..?

Seems to me like you should take your assumptions, and use them to fark yourself.


Then lay out your argument as to why she is more damaged by the professional help.
 
2014-02-05 06:35:58 PM
So...they had an Xbox 360 yet had no computer, no smart phone, no television that showed porn.

No, it was only the porn specifically watched through the Xbox browser.

I think I saw that horror movie.
 
2014-02-05 06:36:26 PM

James10952001: cookiefleck: ZeroCorpse: `Playing Devil's Advocate here...

Was what happened actual rape, as in, penetration of some sort? Or was it two young kids playing doctor? TFA is vague on this point.

Kids DO touch each other. They do experiment with their body parts with each other. There's a difference between normal childhood sexual experimentation, and rape.

Now, granted, this 13-year-old should be past the point of playing doctor, but some boys do mature more slowly and it's possible he was still mentally at that "your body is different from my body" mode.

I just think we're too quick to call anything vaguely sexual "rape" these days. If it was just "you touch mine and I'll touch yours" that's a lot different than "lay down and let me put this in you."

Again; Just asking a question. Not defending the little freak.

An 8 yr old cannot consent, so yes it's rape.

Where do you draw the line though? If two kids play doctor, is it rape? Who is the rapist? The older kid? The male?

I'm not saying what happened here wasn't rape, but that word gets applied to a lot of things these days that I don't consider rape.


Are you seriously asking what's the difference between pre-pubescent children and pubescent teenagers?
 
2014-02-05 06:40:02 PM

AbortionsForAll: The funny thing is, the various social workers & law-enforcement personnel who are caring for the little girl/victim are almost certainly doing vastly more damage than the brother/rapist actually did. It's probably a non-stop train of hand-wringing adults, telling her about how damaged she now is, etc.


As long as we can find some way to make what the actual rapist did, less bad, it's all good right?
 
2014-02-05 06:41:07 PM
The hopeless imp:
Are you seriously asking what's the difference between pre-pubescent children and pubescent teenagers?

I can field this one. No. He is not asking that. Not sure how you can read that from what he posted. I do see a few outraged posts who seem to have missed this from his post:

"An 8 yr old cannot consent, so yes it's rape."

I believe his overall question is valid. Asking it does not have to imply that what happened was ok, nor that the act wasn't criminal. There are, however, degrees.
 
2014-02-05 06:41:24 PM

vicioushobbit: AbortionsForAll: vicioushobbit: AbortionsForAll: The funny thing is, the various social workers & law-enforcement personnel who are caring for the little girl/victim are almost certainly doing vastly more damage than the brother/rapist actually did. It's probably a non-stop train of hand-wringing adults, telling her about how damaged she now is, etc.

You have experience on this topic? Data? Citations?

No?

Then fark you and the horse you rode in on.

What makes you so sure I don't have direct experience on the matter..?

Seems to me like you should take your assumptions, and use them to fark yourself.

Then lay out your argument as to why she is more damaged by the professional help.


No. No, I don't think I will. Just because I said something you don't like on an internet forum, it doesn't lay a burden on me demanding that I cite references & statistics. It might be different if references & statistics were what was being discussed or if I was perhaps writing for a professional publication but being as this is the comments section of fark.com, I don't really need to go through such trouble.

That said, I already did lay out my argument. Said argument being that the numerous adults which the victim is now interacting with are probably doing more long-term damage than the actual rapist, due to the fact that they are no-doubt relentlessly drilling into her the idea that she is damaged and that she should be extremely upset, etc. It's not a complicated concept requiring lengthy explanation.

As for any direct experience I might or might not have on the matter... Again, this is fark.com. I am under no obligation (legal or otherwise) to divulge my personal life and experiences. Of course, you're free to ask but I'm also free to decline.
 
2014-02-05 06:42:30 PM

cookiefleck: AbortionsForAll: The funny thing is, the various social workers & law-enforcement personnel who are caring for the little girl/victim are almost certainly doing vastly more damage than the brother/rapist actually did. It's probably a non-stop train of hand-wringing adults, telling her about how damaged she now is, etc.

As long as we can find some way to make what the actual rapist did, less bad, it's all good right?


What are you talking about? What did I say to suggest that the rapist actions should be made "less bad"..?
 
2014-02-05 06:47:35 PM

AbortionsForAll: cookiefleck: AbortionsForAll: The funny thing is, the various social workers & law-enforcement personnel who are caring for the little girl/victim are almost certainly doing vastly more damage than the brother/rapist actually did. It's probably a non-stop train of hand-wringing adults, telling her about how damaged she now is, etc.

As long as we can find some way to make what the actual rapist did, less bad, it's all good right?

What are you talking about? What did I say to suggest that the rapist actions should be made "less bad"..?


Because you are saying that the law enforcement/therapists will somehow damage her more than the rape itself did. ld like to know where and how you came up with that. Please, I'd love to know how your brain works.
 
2014-02-05 06:49:30 PM

WhoGAS: So...they had an Xbox 360 yet had no computer, no smart phone, no television that showed porn.

No, it was only the porn specifically watched through the Xbox browser.

I think I saw that horror movie.


It could be possible the other devices were password protected, but the xbox 360 was forgotten.  Since the kid found one path to the porn, he didn't bother hacking the other devices.
 
2014-02-05 06:50:08 PM

AbortionsForAll: vicioushobbit: AbortionsForAll: vicioushobbit: AbortionsForAll: The funny thing is, the various social workers & law-enforcement personnel who are caring for the little girl/victim are almost certainly doing vastly more damage than the brother/rapist actually did. It's probably a non-stop train of hand-wringing adults, telling her about how damaged she now is, etc.

You have experience on this topic? Data? Citations?

No?

Then fark you and the horse you rode in on.

What makes you so sure I don't have direct experience on the matter..?

Seems to me like you should take your assumptions, and use them to fark yourself.

Then lay out your argument as to why she is more damaged by the professional help.

No. No, I don't think I will. Just because I said something you don't like on an internet forum, it doesn't lay a burden on me demanding that I cite references & statistics. It might be different if references & statistics were what was being discussed or if I was perhaps writing for a professional publication but being as this is the comments section of fark.com, I don't really need to go through such trouble.

That said, I already did lay out my argument. Said argument being that the numerous adults which the victim is now interacting with are probably doing more long-term damage than the actual rapist, due to the fact that they are no-doubt relentlessly drilling into her the idea that she is damaged and that she should be extremely upset, etc. It's not a complicated concept requiring lengthy explanation.

As for any direct experience I might or might not have on the matter... Again, this is fark.com. I am under no obligation (legal or otherwise) to divulge my personal life and experiences. Of course, you're free to ask but I'm also free to decline.


Come off like a troll, refuse to cite or lay out argument, upset that you were perceived as a troll.


Yeah, I'm totes going to believe your argument. You are right, this is fark. And if it smells like a troll, acts like a troll, it will be received as a troll.

So, yeah.
 
2014-02-05 06:51:44 PM
cookiefleck:

The adults around her hypothetically inflicting more damage than the juvenile rapist in no way lessens the gravity of the rape itself. I don't see how this statement was at all made on my part. As for the concept in general, it's not a complex one, and I don't feel like it requires additional elaboration. I think that you merely don't like what I'm saying, and so you're lashing out by trying to goad me into a debate/argument.
 
2014-02-05 06:53:10 PM
vicioushobbit:

1. I wasn't trolling.

2. I am not upset that you're accusing me of trolling.

3. I don't care if you believe me or not.

So yeah.
 
2014-02-05 06:54:53 PM

AbortionsForAll: vicioushobbit:

1. I wasn't trolling.

2. I am not upset that you're accusing me of trolling.

3. I don't care if you believe me or not.

So yeah.


Okay, so you're just ignorant then. Good to know.
 
2014-02-05 06:55:47 PM

cookiefleck: AbortionsForAll: vicioushobbit:

1. I wasn't trolling.

2. I am not upset that you're accusing me of trolling.

3. I don't care if you believe me or not.

So yeah.

Okay, so you're just ignorant then. Good to know.


I can do that too. Ready..?

   You're ignorant! Good to know.
 
2014-02-05 06:57:36 PM

AbortionsForAll: vicioushobbit: AbortionsForAll: vicioushobbit: AbortionsForAll: The funny thing is, the various social workers & law-enforcement personnel who are caring for the little girl/victim are almost certainly doing vastly more damage than the brother/rapist actually did. It's probably a non-stop train of hand-wringing adults, telling her about how damaged she now is, etc.

You have experience on this topic? Data? Citations?

No?

Then fark you and the horse you rode in on.

What makes you so sure I don't have direct experience on the matter..?

Seems to me like you should take your assumptions, and use them to fark yourself.

Then lay out your argument as to why she is more damaged by the professional help.


No. No, I don't think I will. Just because I said something you don't like on an internet forum, it doesn't lay a burden on me demanding that I cite references & statistics. It might be different if references & statistics were what was being discussed or if I was perhaps writing for a professional publication but being as this is the comments section of fark.com, I don't really need to go through such trouble.

That said, I already did lay out my argument. Said argument being that the numerous adults which the victim is now interacting with are probably doing more long-term damage than the actual rapist, due to the fact that they are no-doubt relentlessly drilling into her the idea that she is damaged and that she should be extremely upset, etc. It's not a complicated concept requiring lengthy explanation.

As for any direct experience I might or might not have on the matter... Again, this is fark.com. I am under no obligation (legal or otherwise) to divulge my personal life and experiences. Of course, you're free to ask but I'm also free to decline.


You did not lay out an argument.  You laid out a conclusion.
 
2014-02-05 06:58:14 PM
Blackburn MP Jack Straw said it was the responsibility of internet service providers to make sure children could not access sexually-explicit content.


typical sleasebag politician with a straw man argument, blaming "the internet".  99.999% of kids look at porn without becoming animals.

He should go back to counting those 4000 holes.
 
2014-02-05 06:59:21 PM

James10952001: I watched porn with my friends whenever we could get it when I was that age. Never had any desire to tape anyone, especially a sibling, ewww.

Anyone else remember when you could use a matchbook to wedge the knob on those analog cable boxes between channels and get playboy to come in?


I just trained my eyes to see through the rainbow colored distortion lines. Like the matrix. Exactly like the matrix.

/ still can't see the farking sailboat in those mall posters.
 
2014-02-05 07:00:42 PM

AbortionsForAll: cookiefleck: AbortionsForAll: vicioushobbit:

1. I wasn't trolling.

2. I am not upset that you're accusing me of trolling.

3. I don't care if you believe me or not.

So yeah.

Okay, so you're just ignorant then. Good to know.

I can do that too. Ready..?

   You're ignorant! Good to know.


I'm not the one spouting off hypothetical BS and stating it as fact. You still haven't said how you came up with your assertion that law enforcement and mental health professionals will somehow cause more damage to this girl than getting raped by her brother.
 
2014-02-05 07:01:57 PM
I read a very well-written and and shocking book by Alison Arngrim, the child actor who's mom voiced Casper the Ghost. Her perfect child-star brother Stefan Arngrim abused her regularly from the time she was 8 or so until she got older & found out that she could threaten him to stop and put an end to it. The parents never abused them. It was a matter of self-entitlement and being a sociopath on his part. What she did with her life regarding it is absolutely stunning.  Not everything can be blamed on parental abuse. Some people are just born a-hats. Give it a read "Confessions of a Prairie biatch", it's an awesome autobiography, and also has a lot of fun memories about working on the Little House series.
 
2014-02-05 07:04:08 PM
I would be more worried around someone who did not look at porn while growing up...
 
2014-02-05 07:06:48 PM
"called on Internet service providers to "recognise that they have greater responsibilities for controlling access to porn."

Of course it's the ISP's fault, the parents are blameless in all this.
 
2014-02-05 07:08:30 PM

ElPollotonto: I would be more worried around someone who did not look at porn while growing up...


I'm more worried about the 8 year old, little sister.
 
2014-02-05 07:08:53 PM

Ant: vwarb: I never understand how people can't seem to grasp that millions of kids watch porn and grow up to be pretty much normal.

This. Thank you to whichever Penthouse collector suddenly found Jesus and dumped his entire collection of magazines behind our apartment building.


More likely his wife dumped his entire collection. Kids these days will never know the joy of finding a stash of dirty magazines.
 
2014-02-05 07:12:54 PM

The hopeless imp: James10952001: cookiefleck: ZeroCorpse: `Playing Devil's Advocate here...

Was what happened actual rape, as in, penetration of some sort? Or was it two young kids playing doctor? TFA is vague on this point.

Kids DO touch each other. They do experiment with their body parts with each other. There's a difference between normal childhood sexual experimentation, and rape.

Now, granted, this 13-year-old should be past the point of playing doctor, but some boys do mature more slowly and it's possible he was still mentally at that "your body is different from my body" mode.

I just think we're too quick to call anything vaguely sexual "rape" these days. If it was just "you touch mine and I'll touch yours" that's a lot different than "lay down and let me put this in you."

Again; Just asking a question. Not defending the little freak.

An 8 yr old cannot consent, so yes it's rape.

Where do you draw the line though? If two kids play doctor, is it rape? Who is the rapist? The older kid? The male?

I'm not saying what happened here wasn't rape, but that word gets applied to a lot of things these days that I don't consider rape.

Are you seriously asking what's the difference between pre-pubescent children and pubescent teenagers?


You don't instantly transform from one to the other at a specific point in time. We're not talking about a 30 yo with a 5 yo. There is considerable gray area.
 
2014-02-05 07:13:57 PM
There was a Frontline documentary called The Lost Children of Rockdale County. That Georgia county had the highest VD rate in the country.

One of the reasons why these kids had so much VD was after school, when no parents were home, they would watch porn on cable TV and do whatever they saw being done on the screen.

So, the main reason is lack of parent supervision. The secondary reason is access. Pretty much the story with anything that screws up a family.

/and there are humans that come out evil and stay evil all their lives. they may get better at hiding their thoughts and actions but that doesn't mean they aren't evil
/Cary Stayner--the handyman who killed 4 women at a motel--said he had thoughts of brutally murdering women since he was 7 years old. He was 38 when he said this.
 
2014-02-05 07:14:50 PM

vicioushobbit: James10952001: cookiefleck: ZeroCorpse: `Playing Devil's Advocate here...

Was what happened actual rape, as in, penetration of some sort? Or was it two young kids playing doctor? TFA is vague on this point.

Kids DO touch each other. They do experiment with their body parts with each other. There's a difference between normal childhood sexual experimentation, and rape.

Now, granted, this 13-year-old should be past the point of playing doctor, but some boys do mature more slowly and it's possible he was still mentally at that "your body is different from my body" mode.

I just think we're too quick to call anything vaguely sexual "rape" these days. If it was just "you touch mine and I'll touch yours" that's a lot different than "lay down and let me put this in you."

Again; Just asking a question. Not defending the little freak.

An 8 yr old cannot consent, so yes it's rape.

Where do you draw the line though? If two kids play doctor, is it rape? Who is the rapist? The older kid? The male?

I'm not saying what happened here wasn't rape, but that word gets applied to a lot of things these days that I don't consider rape.

Penetration, oral sex.

Other touching is molestation, if non-exploratory. If deemed truly innocent, you express to the child personal boundaries, places that are no-touch, and so forth.

Playing dr is very different than oral sex or digital penetration, don't you think?

What do you nt consider rape, where the word has been used?


And there's where the article leaves us hanging. It doesn't say WHAT happened. It just uses the blanket term "rape" without qualifying it, and it's not unusual for news media and blogs to over-simplify and sensationalize.

So again, I ask: Was what he did just groping, or even light oral activity, or was it more? That would seem to be the distinction between rape and childish experimentation.

We also don't know if this kid is a typical 13-year-old, or if he's developmentally disabled. The article is just too vague and general.

I guess either way, he victimized his sister (he did indicate he chose her specifically because she wasn't known for remembering stuff) and he's a little creep, but I"m just a bit pedantic about the loose and easy use of words like "rape" when the article doesn't expand on it and support the claim.
 
2014-02-05 07:15:09 PM

Belias: The hopeless imp:
Are you seriously asking what's the difference between pre-pubescent children and pubescent teenagers?

I can field this one. No. He is not asking that. Not sure how you can read that from what he posted. I do see a few outraged posts who seem to have missed this from his post:

"An 8 yr old cannot consent, so yes it's rape."

I believe his overall question is valid. Asking it does not have to imply that what happened was ok, nor that the act wasn't criminal. There are, however, degrees.


Yes, this.

I was replying to that specific blanket statement, not necessarily in the context of the article. We don't really have any details about what actually happened.
 
2014-02-05 07:16:01 PM

cookiefleck: I'm not the one spouting off hypothetical BS and stating it as fact. You still haven't said how you came up with your assertion that law enforcement and mental health professionals will somehow cause more damage to this girl than getting raped by her brother.


well if it was a legitimate rape her body would have ways of shutting that down
 
2014-02-05 07:17:33 PM

Ant: vwarb: I never understand how people can't seem to grasp that millions of kids watch porn and grow up to be pretty much normal.

This. Thank you to whichever Penthouse collector suddenly found Jesus and dumped his entire collection of magazines behind our apartment building.


That would be somebody's wife. Or mom.
 
m00
2014-02-05 07:19:14 PM

chapman: Once that happens, there are no happy endings,


Well, presumably there's one.

/one ticket please
 
2014-02-05 07:20:16 PM

ZeroCorpse: vicioushobbit: James10952001: cookiefleck: ZeroCorpse: `Playing Devil's Advocate here...

Was what happened actual rape, as in, penetration of some sort? Or was it two young kids playing doctor? TFA is vague on this point.

Kids DO touch each other. They do experiment with their body parts with each other. There's a difference between normal childhood sexual experimentation, and rape.

Now, granted, this 13-year-old should be past the point of playing doctor, but some boys do mature more slowly and it's possible he was still mentally at that "your body is different from my body" mode.

I just think we're too quick to call anything vaguely sexual "rape" these days. If it was just "you touch mine and I'll touch yours" that's a lot different than "lay down and let me put this in you."

Again; Just asking a question. Not defending the little freak.

An 8 yr old cannot consent, so yes it's rape.

Where do you draw the line though? If two kids play doctor, is it rape? Who is the rapist? The older kid? The male?

I'm not saying what happened here wasn't rape, but that word gets applied to a lot of things these days that I don't consider rape.

Penetration, oral sex.

Other touching is molestation, if non-exploratory. If deemed truly innocent, you express to the child personal boundaries, places that are no-touch, and so forth.

Playing dr is very different than oral sex or digital penetration, don't you think?

What do you nt consider rape, where the word has been used?

And there's where the article leaves us hanging. It doesn't say WHAT happened. It just uses the blanket term "rape" without qualifying it, and it's not unusual for news media and blogs to over-simplify and sensationalize.

So again, I ask: Was what he did just groping, or even light oral activity, or was it more? That would seem to be the distinction between rape and childish experimentation.

We also don't know if this kid is a typical 13-year-old, or if he's developmentally disabled. The article is just too vague and general.

I guess either way, he victimized his sister (he did indicate he chose her specifically because she wasn't known for remembering stuff) and he's a little creep, but I"m just a bit pedantic about the loose and easy use of words like "rape" when the article doesn't expand on it and support the claim.


If police are calling it "rape" you can bet done sort of penetration was involved, at minimum, oral penetration.

"Even light oral activity" is still rape, as it is forced oral sex.

Forced, because at 8, she cannot consent. Also, not playing doctor, because the perp knew what he was doing. If he chose her bc of his perceived notion she wouldn't remember, then he knew what he was doing was wrong, he was covering his tracks (poorly). Retarded or not, this boy does seen to know right from wrong on this issue.

Have you ever seen the word rape used to express just groping? I've always seen that worded as "molestation" vs rape. If not...I mean, why be pedantic on that ? (Serious question)
 
2014-02-05 07:23:04 PM

cookiefleck: AbortionsForAll: cookiefleck: AbortionsForAll: The funny thing is, the various social workers & law-enforcement personnel who are caring for the little girl/victim are almost certainly doing vastly more damage than the brother/rapist actually did. It's probably a non-stop train of hand-wringing adults, telling her about how damaged she now is, etc.

As long as we can find some way to make what the actual rapist did, less bad, it's all good right?

What are you talking about? What did I say to suggest that the rapist actions should be made "less bad"..?

Because you are saying that the law enforcement/therapists will somehow damage her more than the rape itself did. ld like to know where and how you came up with that. Please, I'd love to know how your brain works.


I don't know about in the case of rape, but there have been a number of highly publicized cases where one kid took a naughty selfie and sent it to another kid, leading to arrests and child porn charges. It creates a unique situation of someone being both the perpetrator and the victim. I don't recall how things ended, but that is a related situation where things got way out of hand an a stern talking to by the parents would have IMO been more productive than calling the cops.

In a case of alleged rape, I would want to make sure it was genuinely rape prior to reporting it and possibly setting of a gigantic shiatstorm. It's important to determine just what happened first. If it was a couple of young kids touching each other that's not necessarily rape.
 
2014-02-05 07:24:05 PM

Profedius: I find I want more information into how this act was discovered. I think rape in the idea that he held her down tore her underwear off is less likely than a case of sexual experimentation that resulted in him having actual sex with his sister. I am guessing at some point she had wanted the play to end most likely at the point of penetration and he did not stop. I guess sometime after the event she told a parent. I am still wondering how as a parent you go from finding out your son had sex with your daughter to calling the police to have him arrested. For the wellbeing of the family wouldn't the parents try to correct the issue quietly and quickly before bringing in law enforcement? This event has been dragged out for I am guessing months with all of society expressing how horrible this was and how she was victimized by her own brother. She is going to be damaged now for life when it could have been over and recovered from more quickly. I would have handled the situation differently which I think would have had less impact on the development of both children.


this is how it was handled in my family when my sixteen year old cousin forced me to give him oral sex when I was six.  He didn't come over anymore, my parents talked to me about how he was bad and it was ok for me to be upset about it.  At the time though, I really didn't think much of it except that it was gross.  I already had peeked at my brother's skin mags that were hidden in the bathroom (he's a lot older than me) and also at some point remember peeking thru the bathroom door when my dad was peeing because i was curious about how men peed.

That being said, there's a lot of people that would say that i'm "broken"  as a result of the abuse incidents, although I tend to disagree.  Yes, i'm promiscuous, but I enjoy myself and don't feel ashamed about it.  Yes, i'm kinky, but not crazily so.  I've always figured that one could go one of two ways after childhood sexual abuse, one could be frigid or one could be slutty... I prefer slutty, it's much more fun.
 
2014-02-05 07:24:54 PM

lack of warmth: It could be possible the other devices were password protected, but the xbox 360 was forgotten.  Since the kid found one path to the porn, he didn't bother hacking the other devices.


That did cross my mind but I discounted it as possible, but unlikely.  Let's assume it's the truth, though, (bypassing another argument that the XBox is the only device they own and they don't pay the TV tax for aired shows).

Let's assume, too, that they do own all the devices previously mentioned.  They have the knowledge to lock their phone, their TV and their computer thinking of their children's "safety".  Yet, upon purchasing an internet-connected Xbox, this semi-tech savvy family neglected to set up their own children's account during the creation process.

Why would that be?  Perhaps the Xbox is a very recent purchase, set up by dad wanting to play the latest game while mom slept...we dads do tend to forget the little things when gaming's involved.

Maybe they did it on purpose, going so far as to setting the porn site as his default home page on his own account.  Perhaps his parents were secretly training him as a rape sleeper, triggered by a specific sexual act and the father was just testing it out on the girl.  Perhaps they only raised those kids specifically for this one task in life.

Maybe I'm going to stop thinking so much...
 
m00
2014-02-05 07:24:56 PM

James10952001: In a case of alleged rape, I would want to make sure it was genuinely rape prior to reporting it and possibly setting of a gigantic shiatstorm. It's important to determine just what happened first. If it was a couple of young kids touching each other that's not necessarily rape.


blogs.telegraph.co.uk
 
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