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2014-02-05 02:00:58 PM

Verrai: Maybe it's just me, but how would category hopping or otherwise moving around randomly improve your chances of getting a Daily Double? If they're evenly distributed across games, they're equally likely to appear as the first question(s) on the top left as they are to be in any other particular location.

I see why you should go for the highest-point questions first. But that just seems like common sense (get more money before you hit a Daily Double so you have more to wager when you do hit one).


Moving around randomly? Beats me why anybody would do that on Jeopardy, if it were me I'd take the highest dollar questions first, no matter the category. Screw working from small to large, go large to small. If you manage to get a big enough lead on your competitors no amount of small dollar questions will save them.
 
2014-02-05 02:01:26 PM
Plenty of contestants category hop with mixed results. I think what most people are responding to in this case is this guy comes off as a smug twat while doing so.
 
2014-02-05 02:01:57 PM

JohnHall: Verrai: Maybe it's just me, but how would category hopping or otherwise moving around randomly improve your chances of getting a Daily Double? If they're evenly distributed across games, they're equally likely to appear as the first question(s) on the top left as they are to be in any other particular location.

I see why you should go for the highest-point questions first. But that just seems like common sense (get more money before you hit a Daily Double so you have more to wager when you do hit one).

I could be wrong, but I think, almost always, the Daily Double questions are in the 3rd, 4th, and 5th row. I guess I don't read about Jeopardy often, but I didn't know this was a controversy, and I'm not sure I even understand what the complaints are about. Why would it matter what order someone picks answers in.


Well, because they are worth more money, duh.

That actually is a mighty fine strategy, especially if you've played a few games, and are more comfortable, as the questions are harder.  Taking those questions for yourself against lesser experienced players will obviously give you an edge.

To better explain - assuming the bit with the buzzer is a factor, you want to be the one making the choices, not your opponents.  And by the time they get as comfortable as you with it, there are only low value answers left on the board.  And if they answer incorrectly during that time of discomfort, that essentially is the same thing as you answering it correctly, as they LOSE that much money.
 
2014-02-05 02:03:16 PM
What really gaming a game show looks like:
mentalfloss.com
 
2014-02-05 02:04:57 PM
Its a freakin' hammer!
 
2014-02-05 02:06:16 PM

NeoCortex42: What really gaming a game show looks like:
[mentalfloss.com image 640x430]


No whammies no whammies no whammies.... STOP!
 
2014-02-05 02:09:43 PM

robsul82: I don't know why this guy's gotten all this attention as the ONLY guy to do this.  I've seen plenty of people category hop and fish for Daily Doubles.


I used the exact same strategies when I was on.  In the lead-up before the taping, they even tell you how to look for Daily Doubles.  Or at least they did all those years ago.  And it doesn't take a genius to figure out you can't answer if you don't buzz in.

/I only lost my second game because I got nervous and miscalculated my final bet
 
2014-02-05 02:11:35 PM

Carn: NeoCortex42: What really gaming a game show looks like:
[mentalfloss.com image 640x430]

No whammies no whammies no whammies.... STOP!


$5000 and a spin!
 
2014-02-05 02:12:02 PM
Looking for  "Celebrity Jeopardy" reference, disappointed.
 
2014-02-05 02:12:07 PM
They give you ample time to try out the buzzers before taping and even help you out with any concerns. They also have a team that helps contestants figure out how to make their wagers correctly for final Jeopardy.
 
2014-02-05 02:15:35 PM

Donnchadha: Carn: NeoCortex42: What really gaming a game show looks like:
[mentalfloss.com image 640x430]

No whammies no whammies no whammies.... STOP!

$5000 and a spin!


Yes!  Alright one more spin I'm gonna Press My Luck, I got this!
 
2014-02-05 02:16:51 PM

Ex-Texan: Looking for  "Celebrity Jeopardy" reference, disappointed.


Read the thread again yo.

durbnpoisn: To better explain - assuming the bit with the buzzer is a factor, you want to be the one making the choices, not your opponents. And by the time they get as comfortable as you with it, there are only low value answers left on the board. And if they answer incorrectly during that time of discomfort, that essentially is the same thing as you answering it correctly, as they LOSE that much money.


That's a very good point.

Going through the lower-money questions in a category also helps you rule out answers for the harder ones, because answers on Jeopardy are rarely repeated (and tend to be a gimmicky pattern when they are).
 
2014-02-05 02:18:16 PM

DjangoStonereaver: Laugh if you might, but timing is everything with gameshow buzzers.

Though modern ones are digital, they all have a relay/delay circuit in them that will lock out the other contestants for a certain time (usually 3 seconds or so), so repeated button mashing won't work to give you
any advantage (and, indeed, for some of them is a disadvantage by prolonging your lockout period).

/Was on REMOTE CONTROL back in the 80s.  Came in 3rd.


Took me about four buzzer fails to finally work out the timing.

/anyone else remember the tribute to lunch meat?
 
2014-02-05 02:18:45 PM

NeoCortex42: What really gaming a game show looks like:
[mentalfloss.com image 640x430]


Oh, man, that's a classic.

And, not for nuthin', he should not have gotten any flack for that.  He figured out the pattern.  Hell, he studied it!  It seems to me that the people that wrote the software should have used a more random pattern generator.  Although, I guess in those days, software wasn't quite as flexible as it is nowadays.  True randomization was not really easy at all.
 
2014-02-05 02:18:51 PM

NeoCortex42: What really gaming a game show looks like:


He looked like the pressure was giving him a nervous breakdown the longer he played. I expected that if he slipped and missed that his head would just explode.
 
2014-02-05 02:23:35 PM

HMS_Blinkin: I've actually read that working the buzzer is a big part of succeeding at Jeopardy.  That said, it's not like the other contestants' buzzers were any more or less forgiving, and it is a challenge that everyone had to deal with.  He just happened to suck at an important part of the game.

It'd be like me saying that the only reason I'm not an NFL running back is because I'm slow and can't break tackles or hold onto the ball very well.


I thought they had to basically 'qualify' to be on the show. How did he get that far if he couldn't use the equipment?
 
2014-02-05 02:23:42 PM
That's right, Al -- YOU LOST!  And let me tell you what you didn't win: a twenty volume set of the Encyclopedia International, a case of Turtle Wax, and a year's supply of Rice-A-Roni, the San Francisco Treat. But that's not all. You also made yourself look like a jerk in front of millions of people. And you brought shame and disgrace to your family name for generations to come! You don't get to come back tomorrow! You don't even get a lousy copy of our home game. You're a COMPLETE LOSER!
 
2014-02-05 02:28:45 PM
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I played on Jeopardy after they started sabotaging the fat ugly neck beards who'd won every season since the show started. Full disclosure: I'm a fat ugly farker. I was ahead 2600 to my opponents' scores of 600 each and during the first commercial they turned off my buzzer. The only question they let me answer for the rest of the game was the only one neither of my 2 opponents buzzed in on and that took 2 seconds and 5 presses before the board even responded.   After Ken Jenning's "miraculous" run anyone who doesn't realize the show is more fixed than the WWE has an IQ equal to their shoe size.
 
2014-02-05 02:28:47 PM
Another CSB

Also a former Jeopardy two time winner (1999)... Buzzer timing is key and also a reason you dont see many folks over say 45 on the show... reaction speed is paramount..
 
2014-02-05 02:28:59 PM
What's really irritating about Chu is not his strategy while playing Jeopardy, it's the fact that he holds the signalling/buzzer device, up high, right next to his microphone.

Click, Click, Click, Click!, Click!, Click, CLICK!, CLICK!, CLICK!
 
2014-02-05 02:29:00 PM
People need to learn what "competition" means.  You are supposed to try to win.

This is the same attitude that stupid people (mostly children) on MMOs have when they say "He's a scammer!"  Turns out, they got an offer and stupidly, greedily traded their stuff for it without security, only to have the other person walk away.  "He isn't playing the game with my interests in mind, so he's a bad player."
 
2014-02-05 02:31:18 PM

Lee Jackson Beauregard: That's right, Al -- YOU LOST!  And let me tell you what you didn't win: a twenty volume set of the Encyclopedia International, a case of Turtle Wax, and a year's supply of Rice-A-Roni, the San Francisco Treat. But that's not all. You also made yourself look like a jerk in front of millions of people. And you brought shame and disgrace to your family name for generations to come! You don't get to come back tomorrow! You don't even get a lousy copy of our home game. You're a COMPLETE LOSER!


++
 
2014-02-05 02:32:13 PM

theknuckler_33: thought they had to basically 'qualify' to be on the show. How did he get that far if he couldn't use the equipment?


Because it's based on the person giving giving the answers, to which you supply the questions. The time between Trebek finishing and the button being turned on is fairly constant. BUT, it's a different amount of time than in a qualifying round where you have a different "host" and technician doing the button enabling. So really, there' s a bit of luck in the qualifying rounds, plus the ability to figure out that timing and adapt to it. Then, once you are on the real show, you have to adapt again. But if you can win, you now have an advantage over the other contestants. You're used to the Trebek timing now, and they aren't, so you can use that to your advantage to keep winning.
 
2014-02-05 02:36:08 PM

theknuckler_33: I thought they had to basically 'qualify' to be on the show. How did he get that far if he couldn't use the equipment?


What  kidgenius said, plus there's the major difference between being ABLE to do something, and being GOOD at it.
 
2014-02-05 02:40:19 PM
Has anyone else noticed an increase in stammering by the contestants lately? Seems like there are a lot of "uhhs," before choosing a category. You could make a drinking game out of it by taking a swig after each one.
 
2014-02-05 02:43:01 PM

theknuckler_33: I thought they had to basically 'qualify' to be on the show. How did he get that far if he couldn't use the equipment?


Using the buzzer is not an important part of qualifying.
There's the online test. If you pass that, then there's an in-person audition which includes a 50-question written test, an interview, and a short mock game. The mock game is the ONLY thing that involves buzzers; it's very brief and not very competitive, and unless you stick the buzzer up your own ass you're not going to fail on that basis. They're interested in trivia ability and personality.

Practice rounds once you're actually on the set are for practice only and have no bearing on anything.
 
2014-02-05 02:47:35 PM
I notice Chu never selects The Rapists, either.
 
2014-02-05 02:47:46 PM

Carn: Donnchadha: Carn: NeoCortex42: What really gaming a game show looks like:
[mentalfloss.com image 640x430]

No whammies no whammies no whammies.... STOP!

$5000 and a spin!

Yes!  Alright one more spin I'm gonna Press My Luck, I got this!


I was at Firestone picking up my car (new set of tires) and Deal or No Deal went on. It was some black dude wanting money for his family. He's doing pretty well at the start and then gets a great offer... not only 100+k but gets to be modeled as a ref in nba live with some package trip to canada for it.

I think to myself, "I bet this guy is going to turn it down and lose it all." Sure enough the idiot decides to continue, then hits the million dollars leftover in the next two rounds.. ends up with something like 20 bucks.
 
2014-02-05 02:47:46 PM

hubcity: DjangoStonereaver: Laugh if you might, but timing is everything with gameshow buzzers.

Though modern ones are digital, they all have a relay/delay circuit in them that will lock out the other contestants for a certain time (usually 3 seconds or so), so repeated button mashing won't work to give you
any advantage (and, indeed, for some of them is a disadvantage by prolonging your lockout period).

/Was on REMOTE CONTROL back in the 80s.  Came in 3rd.

Took me about four buzzer fails to finally work out the timing.

/anyone else remember the tribute to lunch meat?


Showoff... ;-)

/You were on the syndicated, version, not the REAL MTV version anyway.
 
2014-02-05 02:51:49 PM
JFC!

What the hell is wrong with this guy?  Mr. Chu is playing to win, which by the way is the object of the farking game.

Welcome to America, where success will be punished at every opportunity..
 
2014-02-05 02:53:00 PM
shirtoid.com
 
2014-02-05 03:02:14 PM

DjangoStonereaver: hubcity: DjangoStonereaver: Laugh if you might, but timing is everything with gameshow buzzers.

Though modern ones are digital, they all have a relay/delay circuit in them that will lock out the other contestants for a certain time (usually 3 seconds or so), so repeated button mashing won't work to give you
any advantage (and, indeed, for some of them is a disadvantage by prolonging your lockout period).

/Was on REMOTE CONTROL back in the 80s.  Came in 3rd.

Took me about four buzzer fails to finally work out the timing.

/anyone else remember the tribute to lunch meat?

Showoff... ;-)

/You were on the syndicated, version, not the REAL MTV version anyway.


Nope, I was on the MTV one. Wall of videos and everything. The syndicated one had the wheel they strapped you to.

/...and the guitarist in the band on the last video was...

/
 
2014-02-05 03:04:16 PM
www.myplay.com

Sympathizes.
 
2014-02-05 03:34:02 PM

OscarTamerz: [wp.patheos.com.s3.amazonaws.com image 300x234]

I played on Jeopardy after they started sabotaging the fat ugly neck beards who'd won every season since the show started. Full disclosure: I'm a fat ugly farker. I was ahead 2600 to my opponents' scores of 600 each and during the first commercial they turned off my buzzer. The only question they let me answer for the rest of the game was the only one neither of my 2 opponents buzzed in on and that took 2 seconds and 5 presses before the board even responded.   After Ken Jenning's "miraculous" run anyone who doesn't realize the show is more fixed than the WWE has an IQ equal to their shoe size.


Given that they'd be breaking the Communications Act, I find this hard to believe.
 
2014-02-05 03:46:44 PM
Am I the only one who thinks the Final Jeopardy music is just 'I'm a Little Tea Cup?"
 
2014-02-05 03:49:45 PM
My wife, Tarn Allen, was on Friday's episode. Which can be seen here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TT0TH7NV2Q


/CSB
/Kick, etc.
 
2014-02-05 03:57:24 PM

OscarTamerz: I played on Jeopardy after they started sabotaging the fat ugly neck beards who'd won every season since the show started. Full disclosure: I'm a fat ugly farker. I was ahead 2600 to my opponents' scores of 600 each and during the first commercial they turned off my buzzer. The only question they let me answer for the rest of the game was the only one neither of my 2 opponents buzzed in on and that took 2 seconds and 5 presses before the board even responded.   After Ken Jenning's "miraculous" run anyone who doesn't realize the show is more fixed than the WWE has an IQ equal to their shoe size.


Furthermore, Trebek is reading FROM A CARD! He wouldn't know the answers if he didn't have that card in front of him.
 
2014-02-05 04:07:49 PM

hubcity: DjangoStonereaver: hubcity: DjangoStonereaver: Laugh if you might, but timing is everything with gameshow buzzers.

Though modern ones are digital, they all have a relay/delay circuit in them that will lock out the other contestants for a certain time (usually 3 seconds or so), so repeated button mashing won't work to give you
any advantage (and, indeed, for some of them is a disadvantage by prolonging your lockout period).

/Was on REMOTE CONTROL back in the 80s.  Came in 3rd.

Took me about four buzzer fails to finally work out the timing.

/anyone else remember the tribute to lunch meat?

Showoff... ;-)

/You were on the syndicated, version, not the REAL MTV version anyway.

Nope, I was on the MTV one. Wall of videos and everything. The syndicated one had the wheel they strapped you to.

/...and the guitarist in the band on the last video was...

/


Um......

YNGVE MALMSTEIN?
 
2014-02-05 04:33:04 PM
My close cousin is a Jeopardy Champion, I taught him everything that I know... He told us that there is a light that indicates when the timing starts for buzzing in. He started out poorly on his first day, but during the commercial break, the assistants told him that he had to pause for another moment before hitting the buzzer.  After that, he kicked butt. Won six in a row, went to the Tournament of Champions, and came in second. He had a very nice pay out.
 
2014-02-05 04:40:23 PM

GDubDub: My thing?  I happen to be an expert in developing MMORPGS.  I'm trying to get a coworker to start Farking.  He's a former JPL rocket scientist.


Me too, nearly 10 years now.  We probably know each other :D

/Tiny industry
 
2014-02-05 04:51:29 PM

Ex-Texan: Looking for  "Celebrity Jeopardy" reference, disappointed.


Ummm...it was 12 posts in...

HighlanderRPI: Ruff, just the way your mother likes it, Trebek!
 
2014-02-05 04:54:16 PM

JohnHall: Verrai: Maybe it's just me, but how would category hopping or otherwise moving around randomly improve your chances of getting a Daily Double? If they're evenly distributed across games, they're equally likely to appear as the first question(s) on the top left as they are to be in any other particular location.

I see why you should go for the highest-point questions first. But that just seems like common sense (get more money before you hit a Daily Double so you have more to wager when you do hit one).

I could be wrong, but I think, almost always, the Daily Double questions are in the 3rd, 4th, and 5th row. I guess I don't read about Jeopardy often, but I didn't know this was a controversy, and I'm not sure I even understand what the complaints are about. Why would it matter what order someone picks answers in.


Oh, that would make sense. They may also be explaining what he's doing poorly, if he's just selecting each of the highest value questions, then the next-highest, etc.
 
2014-02-05 04:56:07 PM

AGremlin: What's really irritating about Chu is not his strategy while playing Jeopardy, it's the fact that he holds the signalling/buzzer device, up high, right next to his microphone.

Click, Click, Click, Click!, Click!, Click, CLICK!, CLICK!, CLICK!


Ah, now I get it. Deaf guy here so that aspect doesn't come through since they don't caption that. Explains some of the vitriol.

I do think that the hunting for Daily Double thing is a dick move. Easiest solution is to completely randomize the placement instead of them being, generally, on the bottom three questions in each category.
 
2014-02-05 05:12:35 PM

OscarTamerz: [wp.patheos.com.s3.amazonaws.com image 300x234]

I played on Jeopardy after they started sabotaging the fat ugly neck beards who'd won every season since the show started. Full disclosure: I'm a fat ugly farker. I was ahead 2600 to my opponents' scores of 600 each and during the first commercial they turned off my buzzer. The only question they let me answer for the rest of the game was the only one neither of my 2 opponents buzzed in on and that took 2 seconds and 5 presses before the board even responded.   After Ken Jenning's "miraculous" run anyone who doesn't realize the show is more fixed than the WWE has an IQ equal to their shoe size.


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You're just pissed, because you knew the answer was "Marty."

/You saw it 3 times!
 
2014-02-05 05:20:34 PM

Disgruntled Goat: They give you ample time to try out the buzzers before taping and even help you out with any concerns. They also have a team that helps contestants figure out how to make their wagers correctly for final Jeopardy.


A team? Wouldn't one geek with an Excel spreadsheet suffice?
 
2014-02-05 05:43:36 PM
My GAS button is broken
 
2014-02-05 06:31:12 PM
Chuck Forrest was the first to have major success category hopping. Fans call it the Forrest Bounce.

This was in the 1980s...

/Lost on Jeopardy because I wagered like a pussy on a daily double a failed to build a lead
 
2014-02-05 06:56:24 PM

Beta Tested: GDubDub: My thing?  I happen to be an expert in developing MMORPGS.  I'm trying to get a coworker to start Farking.  He's a former JPL rocket scientist.

Me too, nearly 10 years now.  We probably know each other :D

/Tiny industry


So now we need to try to figure each other out.  I tried to get Drew to open up messaging a few years ago.  To no good.

Ok, I am the first MMO community guy.  I am reviled on the internet, long after I stopped doing community.  I have death threats.  My email address is fir­stna­me­lastna­me­[nospam-﹫-backwards]liamg*co­m.  If you've been in MMOs 10 years, I started15 years ago.  Sadly, any Farker with means now knows my identity.
 
2014-02-05 07:02:41 PM
To confuse it a little, I also wrote the melee combat system, the spell system, and the item "magical ability enhancement" system, for a major MMO
 
2014-02-05 07:02:53 PM
I was too slow to get "Weird" Al's I Lost On Jeopardy so you're stuck with this.


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