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(Politico)   When you 'go off the grid' you don't tell people "I'm going off the grid', you just 'go off the grid'. Unless of course you're trying to pump up your tinfoil hat teevee show ratings, then it's okay   (politico.com) divider line 98
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2014-02-05 11:50:21 AM
Ole Painless is losing it.
 
2014-02-05 11:56:35 AM
Nobody gives a shiat where you are.
 
2014-02-05 12:06:07 PM
Even in these idiotic "off the grid" reality shows they're always waiting for some helicopter or train to drop off their supplies. How is that "going of the grid?"

You're just living in the middle of nowhere and waiting on people to bring you sh*t. You're not "living off the grid."
 
2014-02-05 12:19:33 PM

James!: Nobody gives a shiat where you are.


Maybe that's how he planned it all along...
 
2014-02-05 12:21:34 PM

sigdiamond2000: Even in these idiotic "off the grid" reality shows they're always waiting for some helicopter or train to drop off their supplies. How is that "going of the grid?"

You're just living in the middle of nowhere and waiting on people to bring you sh*t. You're not "living off the grid."


0.tqn.com
 
2014-02-05 01:04:29 PM
DNRTFA yet, but I know Jessie.

he was my friend

/and I am no Jessie
so I  have that goin' for me
which is nice
 
2014-02-05 01:05:00 PM
I have a lot of friends who live off the grid. I see them sometimes but once a year.
Like at the 4th of july parade.
Or the big town dance.
 
2014-02-05 01:06:50 PM
Oh nos!

Off his meds again, and BTW "on the staelite" is really kinda, what, smack dab in da middle of da grid, eh?
 
2014-02-05 01:08:32 PM

vudukungfu: I have a lot of friends who live off the grid. I see them sometimes but once a year.
Like at the 4th of july parade.
Or the big town dance.


Or when the Wells Fargo wagon comes to town.
 
2014-02-05 01:09:27 PM

James!: Nobody gives a shiat where you are.


Yea, go read about Paul Ryan, no surprises/amusement at all.
 
2014-02-05 01:11:11 PM
Worst Where's Waldo ever.
 
2014-02-05 01:29:45 PM
Is this a story about Gary?
 
2014-02-05 01:39:22 PM
Why's he hiding from drones?  He aint got time to bleed.
 
2014-02-05 01:41:53 PM
Because we all know that drones are blocked by national boundaries like they're force fields.
 
2014-02-05 01:43:51 PM
"I'm not only creating jobs, putting Mexicans to work, I'm stopping them from running across the border now and taking our jobs"

HAHAHAHA I'm surprised major corporations never used this argument for why they ship jobs overseas.
I guess it's even too stupid for them.
 
2014-02-05 01:44:09 PM
Rule #1 of living out of sight of society:  DON'T STAND OUT! This means don't announce your shiat, don't advertise your plans, and don't behave any differently on the surface.

The only way people notice you and give a shiat is when you act like an attention whore.

Crazy evil gun hoarder? No one cares until you shoot up a school.

In short: Don't be a dick and make people pay attention.
 
2014-02-05 01:44:55 PM

Begoggle: "I'm not only creating jobs, putting Mexicans to work, I'm stopping them from running across the border now and taking our jobs"

HAHAHAHA I'm surprised major corporations never used this argument for why they ship jobs overseas.
I guess it's even too stupid for them.


"We're employing them there so we don't have to employ them here."

And all this time I thought he disliked Bush.
 
2014-02-05 01:45:07 PM
If I was afraid of drones I sure as hell wouldn't surround myself with brown people.
 
2014-02-05 01:46:31 PM
tetoros-lair.com

Should have left him in the stocks.
 
2014-02-05 01:46:35 PM
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2014-02-05 01:47:10 PM
One family "off the grid" might survive until supplies run out, but it's not enough people to remain off the grid.

Small villages tended towards 100-150 people. This gave enough diversified labor to develop talents in baking, butchering, and candle stick making. The specialization of skills in a society improved life for all involved. Even if he tried to learn all the skills he'd still have to do all of them all the time.

Simply put, self sufficiency is a poverty trap or a lie.
 
2014-02-05 01:47:18 PM
Maybe he meant "off the GIRD" because he asked his healthcare provider if Prilosec was right for him.
 
2014-02-05 01:49:54 PM
I have friends who got in trouble for going "off the grid". The only reason they did it was to avoid spending $180k to run electricity to their property. Apparently the rules for the property dictated power to be run to the property. They got sued for about $50k from the original owner. He really just wanted them to incur the costs he could sell the other properties the electric would need to be run through to getto their property for a premium. Still they signed the documents so they were responsible. Now they need to spend $230k for electric and fines.

TL/DR: Read the fine print on the property you by before going off-grid.
 
2014-02-05 01:50:08 PM
I go off the grid whenever I misplace my cell phone.
 
2014-02-05 01:50:36 PM

wildcardjack: One family "off the grid" might survive until supplies run out, but it's not enough people to remain off the grid.

Small villages tended towards 100-150 people. This gave enough diversified labor to develop talents in baking, butchering, and candle stick making. The specialization of skills in a society improved life for all involved. Even if he tried to learn all the skills he'd still have to do all of them all the time.

Simply put, self sufficiency is a poverty trap or a lie.


You mean, it takes a village?
 
2014-02-05 01:51:15 PM

Carn: Why's he hiding from drones?  He aint got time to bleed.


Snipers!
Drones is the new snipers.
 
2014-02-05 01:51:15 PM
This "off the grid" place sounds pretty cool.  Do they have Wi-Fi there?
 
2014-02-05 01:51:29 PM
I left the grid long ago.

Now I'm on the cloud.
 
2014-02-05 01:51:48 PM
I think Les Stroud still has a place that he can sell him.

/Unless he lost it in the divorce.
 
2014-02-05 01:52:06 PM

rumpelstiltskin: If I was afraid of drones I sure as hell wouldn't surround myself with brown people.


Like any nut job, he's surrounding himself with people who will smile and look like they believe what he is saying.  Not understanding the language he is using helps.

A coworker turned on me after I told how full of crap Jesse really is.  The guy hung on every word that fell out Jesse's mouth.
 
2014-02-05 01:52:52 PM

Carn: Why's he hiding from drones?  He aint got time to bleed.


Dude, don't you get it?  He KNOWS to much about how the "system" works.  He could take the whole thing down single-handedly!  All the power brokers invested in it can not allow this to happen.

\Keep running Jessie
\\Don't forget to put mud all over yourself
\\\Keeps the IR heat sensors from tracking you
 
2014-02-05 01:53:32 PM

hailin: I have friends who got in trouble for going "off the grid". The only reason they did it was to avoid spending $180k to run electricity to their property. Apparently the rules for the property dictated power to be run to the property. They got sued for about $50k from the original owner. He really just wanted them to incur the costs he could sell the other properties the electric would need to be run through to getto their property for a premium. Still they signed the documents so they were responsible. Now they need to spend $230k for electric and fines.

TL/DR: Read the fine print on the property you by before going off-grid.


ALL and I do mean ALL of the world is on somebody's grid.
A far more pressing problem for society than CO2.
 
2014-02-05 01:53:54 PM
Same goes for anything.

"I'm going to start exercising"
"I'm going to eat better food"
"I'm going to quit smoking/drinking/smack"

Show us, don't tell us.
 
2014-02-05 01:54:38 PM
No drones in Mexico? A high tech, computer controlled vehicle, or a busted-ass, Nova, packing an instamatic? Sure, after they snap the photos, get them developed at "El-walmarto" or a gas station.

Trying to bring attention to yourself doesn't warrant people caring.
 
2014-02-05 01:55:08 PM
The man likes feather boa's. Won't be hard to find him.
 
2014-02-05 01:55:25 PM
Say what you will about the guy

I'll take a gallon of Ventura's crazy over a teaspoon of inside-the-belt 'sanity' any day of the week.
 
2014-02-05 01:56:06 PM

studebaker hoch: Same goes for anything.

"I'm going to start exercising"
"I'm going to eat better food"
"I'm going to quit smoking/drinking/smack"

Show us, don't tell us.


You've figured out the score
 
2014-02-05 01:56:16 PM

pizen: Or when the Wells Fargo wagon comes to town.


They come down off the mountain to trade their honey or what not for what they need.
Damned good honey.
 
2014-02-05 01:59:20 PM
First rule of Hide Club is don't call national media to announce membership in Hide Club.
 
2014-02-05 01:59:23 PM
Hogan, Flair, Ventura...can't these old wrestlers sports entertainers just fade into obscurity like Chyna?
 
2014-02-05 01:59:55 PM
He's using a satellite phone and broadcasting his show. They could find him fairly easily.

Just remember how they found Pablo Escobar back in the 90s.
 
2014-02-05 02:03:18 PM

Evil Mackerel: I think Les Stroud still has a place that he can sell him.

/Unless he lost it in the divorce.


I've seen all his shows, but do you find the new ones sort of contrived and boring?
 
2014-02-05 02:04:57 PM
The first rule of 'Off-The-Grid Club'...
 
2014-02-05 02:05:31 PM

James!: Nobody gives a shiat where you are.


to be fair i give a shiat that he isn't next door to me, or my Gov.  but other than that...
 
2014-02-05 02:06:37 PM

studebaker hoch: Same goes for anything.

"I'm going to start exercising"
"I'm going to eat better food"
"I'm going to quit smoking/drinking/smack"

Show us, don't tell us.


You forgot one
"I'm going to quit Fark."
 
2014-02-05 02:07:03 PM

Nadie_AZ: He's using a satellite phone and broadcasting his show. They could find him fairly easily.

Just remember how they found Pablo Escobar back in the 90s.


If you're using a sat phone you're still "on the grid." He's only "off the grid" in a playacting sense.
 
2014-02-05 02:08:27 PM
Tin foil shortage coming, pass it on.
 
2014-02-05 02:08:45 PM
We're a couple more minority/female Presidents away from some fruit building Rapture.
 
2014-02-05 02:09:51 PM

sigdiamond2000: Even in these idiotic "off the grid" reality shows they're always waiting for some helicopter or train to drop off their supplies. How is that "going of the grid?"

You're just living in the middle of nowhere and waiting on people to bring you sh*t. You're not "living off the grid."


Tell that to Dick Proennoke. If anyone qualifies as "living off the grid" it's him.
 
2014-02-05 02:10:25 PM

Nadie_AZ: He's using a satellite phone and broadcasting his show. They could find him fairly easily.

Just remember how they found Pablo Escobar back in the 90s.


This.  Off the grid, my  ass. Cheap publicity stunt for a former Governor to use, sort of like pro wrestlers.

/Oh, wait...
 
2014-02-05 02:10:30 PM
Sounds like... an Amish paradise.
i570.photobucket.com
 
2014-02-05 02:12:25 PM

Tenga: Evil Mackerel: I think Les Stroud still has a place that he can sell him.

/Unless he lost it in the divorce.

I've seen all his shows, but do you find the new ones sort of contrived and boring?


Just the beyond survival series.He's starting to remind me of Teal'c  by saying "You have to remember what's at stake here" way to often.
 
2014-02-05 02:12:35 PM
slam.canoe.ca

Oh yeah, he'll blend right in.
 
2014-02-05 02:12:41 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Nadie_AZ: He's using a satellite phone and broadcasting his show. They could find him fairly easily.

Just remember how they found Pablo Escobar back in the 90s.

If you're using a sat phone you're still "on the grid." He's only "off the grid" in a playacting sense.


Playacting from a former professional wrestler?!  The HELL you say!
 
2014-02-05 02:14:21 PM

studebaker hoch: Same goes for anything.

"I'm going to start exercising"
"I'm going to eat better food"
"I'm going to quit smoking/drinking/smack"

Show us, don't tell us.


"I'm gonna bang your mom"
 
2014-02-05 02:14:29 PM
You can buy screen printed Tshirts of foreign leaders of countries off the grid?  huh
 
2014-02-05 02:15:29 PM
Renewable energy types are pretty public when they go off grid.  Producing your own stuff doesn't mean that you are hiding from something.
 
2014-02-05 02:18:29 PM

sigdiamond2000: Even in these idiotic "off the grid" reality shows they're always waiting for some helicopter or train to drop off their supplies. How is that "going of the grid?"

You're just living in the middle of nowhere and waiting on people to bring you sh*t. You're not "living off the grid."


I thought "off the grid" generally meant "not hooked up to any wires or technology". If you can barter with someone to airdrop supplies in exchange for beaver pelts or whatever, what's wrong with that? I don't think "off the grid" has to mean "being a recluse".

Ted Kaczynski - Off the grid and a recluse.
Richard Proenneke  - Off the grid. Not a recluse.
 
2014-02-05 02:18:45 PM
I went off the grill once and ate nothing but cereal for a week. What a survival experience. Also, I lost the remote and had to watch the same channel.
 
2014-02-05 02:20:32 PM

theknuckler_33: sigdiamond2000: Even in these idiotic "off the grid" reality shows they're always waiting for some helicopter or train to drop off their supplies. How is that "going of the grid?"

You're just living in the middle of nowhere and waiting on people to bring you sh*t. You're not "living off the grid."

I thought "off the grid" generally meant "not hooked up to any wires or technology". If you can barter with someone to airdrop supplies in exchange for beaver pelts or whatever, what's wrong with that? I don't think "off the grid" has to mean "being a recluse".

Ted Kaczynski - Off the grid and a recluse.
Richard Proenneke  - Off the grid. Not a recluse.


I guess they were bad examples. Even Kaczynski had to interact with other people from time to time. Anyway, my point is that being off the grid doesn't necessarily include being isolated from other people.
 
2014-02-05 02:23:09 PM

wildcardjack: One family "off the grid" might survive until supplies run out, but it's not enough people to remain off the grid.

Small villages tended towards 100-150 people. This gave enough diversified labor to develop talents in baking, butchering, and candle stick making. The specialization of skills in a society improved life for all involved. Even if he tried to learn all the skills he'd still have to do all of them all the time.

Simply put, self sufficiency is a poverty trap or a lie.


I think this assumes a social involvement which may or may not have to exist: I.E., I can sell/trade goods to you for goods you have that I need. You can be a butcher that carves up my wild game in exchange for a portion of the meat or currency. There need not exist any actual social relationship to establish this.

To many who go "off the grid" the concept is to disengage from what they feel is an intrusive societal relationship, rather than necessarily cutting off all commerce and business interaction.

I have to go to the local bigger city to buy certain goods, but I can avoid the people there like the plague and only go in when I absolutely need something.
 
2014-02-05 02:23:31 PM
So did he bury his cash in the desert somewhere while "Off the grid?"  Because it's mighty hard to access a bank account without leaving a footprint.
 
2014-02-05 02:24:41 PM

Lt. Cheese Weasel: Ole Painless is losing it.


Losing it?
No.
 
2014-02-05 02:24:52 PM

wildcardjack: One family "off the grid" might survive until supplies run out, but it's not enough people to remain off the grid.

Small villages tended towards 100-150 people. This gave enough diversified labor to develop talents in baking, butchering, and candle stick making. The specialization of skills in a society improved life for all involved. Even if he tried to learn all the skills he'd still have to do all of them all the time.

Simply put, self sufficiency is a poverty trap or a lie.


You can get self-sufficiency with a smaller population, say 80 or so, with proper specialization of labor.  Butchers, brewers, cooks, farmers et all will supply your food and booze needs independently of trade caravans.  The downside is that you don't have enough labor to really set up a good metal industry, which sucks if you want to breach the adamantine spires and invade hell without locally-sourced master weaponsmiths or armorsmiths.  At least according to Dwarf Fotress.

Now, if you want to do any projects involving magma, you're going to need extra dwarfs just to manage the inevitable burning dwarf issues.
 
2014-02-05 02:24:56 PM
Off the grid?
I probably use cash for like 1/10 of my transactions.
 
2014-02-05 02:28:52 PM
Ventura said after years being on "the inside, looking out," he was now viewing the country "from the outside looking in."

THAT'S BECAUSE YOU ARE IN M-E-X-I-C-O...
 
2014-02-05 02:29:43 PM

Mikey1969: Ventura said after years being on "the inside, looking out," he was now viewing the country "from the outside looking in."

THAT'S BECAUSE YOU ARE IN M-E-X-I-C-O...


YOU BOYS LIKE MEX-I-CO!?

Wait what?
 
2014-02-05 02:31:14 PM
"The former third-party governor hosts a show called "Off the Grid" on Ora TV. Ventura said he could remain off the map "as long as we have solar power and we can reach the satellite."

I don't think he understands what" off the grid" means. Unless of course he launched his own private satellite.
 
2014-02-05 02:33:24 PM
Ora TV...?
 
2014-02-05 02:35:12 PM

toraque: wildcardjack: One family "off the grid" might survive until supplies run out, but it's not enough people to remain off the grid.

Small villages tended towards 100-150 people. This gave enough diversified labor to develop talents in baking, butchering, and candle stick making. The specialization of skills in a society improved life for all involved. Even if he tried to learn all the skills he'd still have to do all of them all the time.

Simply put, self sufficiency is a poverty trap or a lie.

You can get self-sufficiency with a smaller population, say 80 or so, with proper specialization of labor.  Butchers, brewers, cooks, farmers et all will supply your food and booze needs independently of trade caravans.  The downside is that you don't have enough labor to really set up a good metal industry, which sucks if you want to breach the adamantine spires and invade hell without locally-sourced master weaponsmiths or armorsmiths.  At least according to Dwarf Fotress.

Now, if you want to do any projects involving magma, you're going to need extra dwarfs just to manage the inevitable burning dwarf issues.


This is my favorite post of 2014 so far.
 
2014-02-05 02:47:05 PM
I should feel safe, but I don't, so I live off the grid - no phone, no address, no one and nothing can find me. I've erased all connections to the past, but as hard as I try I can't erase my dreams, my nightmares.
 
2014-02-05 02:47:11 PM
Took the crazy straight to 11
 
2014-02-05 02:48:54 PM

toraque: wildcardjack: One family "off the grid" might survive until supplies run out, but it's not enough people to remain off the grid.

Small villages tended towards 100-150 people. This gave enough diversified labor to develop talents in baking, butchering, and candle stick making. The specialization of skills in a society improved life for all involved. Even if he tried to learn all the skills he'd still have to do all of them all the time.

Simply put, self sufficiency is a poverty trap or a lie.

You can get self-sufficiency with a smaller population, say 80 or so, with proper specialization of labor.  Butchers, brewers, cooks, farmers et all will supply your food and booze needs independently of trade caravans.  The downside is that you don't have enough labor to really set up a good metal industry, which sucks if you want to breach the adamantine spires and invade hell without locally-sourced master weaponsmiths or armorsmiths.  At least according to Dwarf Fotress.

Now, if you want to do any projects involving magma, you're going to need extra dwarfs just to manage the inevitable burning dwarf issues.


You win
 
2014-02-05 02:50:24 PM
The drones are just waiting for him to let his guard down, and then... BAM THEY'VE GOT HIM DOWN IN THE CORNER AND, HOLY CRAP HERE COMES B-ROCK THE ISLAMIC SHOCK WITH THE CHAIR!!!
 
2014-02-05 02:53:33 PM
What some Drones after Jesse Ventura might lool like

1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-02-05 02:56:20 PM

Carn: Why's he hiding from drones?  He aint got time to bleed.


Good thing he still has time to duck.
 
2014-02-05 03:01:45 PM

dascott: So did he bury his cash in the desert somewhere while "Off the grid?"  Because it's mighty hard to access a bank account without leaving a footprint.


Maybe, but burying money in the desert will still leave footy prints all over the desert.
 
2014-02-05 03:14:00 PM

The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: Sounds like... an Amish paradise.
[i570.photobucket.com image 200x200]


Does NOT approve...
deathandtaxesmag.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com
 
2014-02-05 03:16:51 PM
Closest thing I've ever seen that was legitimately off the grid was some report on lasqueti island over in Canada, and even there there was a "grid".

A pub, a "store" (more like a little building where people just leave what they dont need/want and take what they do need), and other stuff like that. No power but what you get yourself from solar panels and the like.

Way I've seen it, anyone who thinks they can stick it out entirely by themselves/with their family in the middle of nowhere with no support is fooling themselves.
 
2014-02-05 03:33:46 PM

Alebak: Closest thing I've ever seen that was legitimately off the grid was some report on lasqueti island over in Canada, and even there there was a "grid".

A pub, a "store" (more like a little building where people just leave what they dont need/want and take what they do need), and other stuff like that. No power but what you get yourself from solar panels and the like.

Way I've seen it, anyone who thinks they can stick it out entirely by themselves/with their family in the middle of nowhere with no support is fooling themselves.


You mean to tell us that libertarians are fug buck delusional?
You don't say!

/Next thing we know, you'll be telling us that H.sap.sap. is a herd animal, bootstraps are not antigravity devices, and water is wet.
 
2014-02-05 03:36:33 PM

Evil Mackerel: Tenga: Evil Mackerel: I think Les Stroud still has a place that he can sell him.

/Unless he lost it in the divorce.

I've seen all his shows, but do you find the new ones sort of contrived and boring?

Just the beyond survival series.He's starting to remind me of Teal'c  by saying "You have to remember what's at stake here" way to often.


To me, the new season of Survivorman just seems like he's phoning it in. " Lucky for me I stumbled upon an uninhabited cabin" a little too often.
 
2014-02-05 03:37:27 PM

toraque: wildcardjack: One family "off the grid" might survive until supplies run out, but it's not enough people to remain off the grid.

Small villages tended towards 100-150 people. This gave enough diversified labor to develop talents in baking, butchering, and candle stick making. The specialization of skills in a society improved life for all involved. Even if he tried to learn all the skills he'd still have to do all of them all the time.

Simply put, self sufficiency is a poverty trap or a lie.

You can get self-sufficiency with a smaller population, say 80 or so, with proper specialization of labor.  Butchers, brewers, cooks, farmers et all will supply your food and booze needs independently of trade caravans.  The downside is that you don't have enough labor to really set up a good metal industry, which sucks if you want to breach the adamantine spires and invade hell without locally-sourced master weaponsmiths or armorsmiths.  At least according to Dwarf Fotress.

Now, if you want to do any projects involving magma, you're going to need extra dwarfs just to manage the inevitable burning dwarf issues.


imgs.xkcd.com
 
2014-02-05 03:51:31 PM

big pig peaches: "The former third-party governor hosts a show called "Off the Grid" on Ora TV. Ventura said he could remain off the map "as long as we have solar power and we can reach the satellite."

I don't think he understands what" off the grid" means. Unless of course he launched his own private satellite.


I think he just redefined the term as a new euphemism.

"Yeah, that's just Jesse. Sure he's a little 'Off the grid', but he's mostly harmless."
 
2014-02-05 04:05:02 PM
Is that like the Alaskan "frontier" show where everybody is desperately trying to gather enough wild game, fish, and home grown veg to make it through the winter?  Depsite having at least $1M in heavy equipment on their "homestead", multiple vehicles, cattle, cell phones in their pockets...
 
2014-02-05 04:23:28 PM

Kit Fister: wildcardjack: One family "off the grid" might survive until supplies run out, but it's not enough people to remain off the grid.

Small villages tended towards 100-150 people. This gave enough diversified labor to develop talents in baking, butchering, and candle stick making. The specialization of skills in a society improved life for all involved. Even if he tried to learn all the skills he'd still have to do all of them all the time.

Simply put, self sufficiency is a poverty trap or a lie.

I think this assumes a social involvement which may or may not have to exist: I.E., I can sell/trade goods to you for goods you have that I need. You can be a butcher that carves up my wild game in exchange for a portion of the meat or currency. There need not exist any actual social relationship to establish this.

To many who go "off the grid" the concept is to disengage from what they feel is an intrusive societal relationship, rather than necessarily cutting off all commerce and business interaction.

I have to go to the local bigger city to buy certain goods, but I can avoid the people there like the plague and only go in when I absolutely need something.


So, what you're saying is: you still need benefits from society, but don't want to contribute to its continuing success, or pay back its efforts that went into raising you. Got it.
 
2014-02-05 04:38:38 PM
There was this show on Discovery last summer. This guy was showing people how to hide or just get away. He talked about what year of tires you should buy because newer tires had some kinda chip in them that could be tracked. He put his cell phone on a train going in the opposite direction. He was talking about only using cash to use hotel rooms and dont use thier beds use a sleeping bad so you wont leave hair and skin behind and wipe down anything you touch. I would have watched more but I had to go somewhere it was amusing.
 
2014-02-05 04:48:11 PM

Rindred: So, what you're saying is: you still need benefits from society, but don't want to contribute to its continuing success, or pay back its efforts that went into raising you. Got it.


I pay my taxes, I sell my farmed goods to local stores, and I volunteer with places like Habitat for Humanity.

That doesn't change my general loathing of most people in that community.

Nor does it make me want my engagement with society to be anything more than mutually-beneficial business transactions.
 
2014-02-05 04:49:13 PM

Rindred: So, what you're saying is: you still need benefits from society, but don't want to contribute to its continuing success, or pay back its efforts that went into raising you. Got it.


Also, you can stop trying to make me feel guilty or ashamed of my position: I'm neither, and don't care. I'll help people I feel are worthy of help, and ignore the rest. I can't stand most people.
 
2014-02-05 05:24:40 PM
I went off the grid once in the 80's ... while playing Might and Magic. I thought it was a really big dungeon that I could never find the end to. Turns out it was just a  crappy 15X15 dungeon that wrapped around, so that if you went off one edge you ended up on the other side of the dungeon at the other edge.

After filling up two sheets of graph and then realizing that it was just a crappy 15 X 15 dungeon I never went off the grid again.
 
2014-02-05 05:41:35 PM
No you're not
 
2014-02-05 07:21:27 PM

special20: toraque: wildcardjack: One family "off the grid" might survive until supplies run out, but it's not enough people to remain off the grid.

Small villages tended towards 100-150 people. This gave enough diversified labor to develop talents in baking, butchering, and candle stick making. The specialization of skills in a society improved life for all involved. Even if he tried to learn all the skills he'd still have to do all of them all the time.

Simply put, self sufficiency is a poverty trap or a lie.

You can get self-sufficiency with a smaller population, say 80 or so, with proper specialization of labor.  Butchers, brewers, cooks, farmers et all will supply your food and booze needs independently of trade caravans.  The downside is that you don't have enough labor to really set up a good metal industry, which sucks if you want to breach the adamantine spires and invade hell without locally-sourced master weaponsmiths or armorsmiths.  At least according to Dwarf Fotress.

Now, if you want to do any projects involving magma, you're going to need extra dwarfs just to manage the inevitable burning dwarf issues.

[imgs.xkcd.com image 285x506]


As a dwarf fortress gamer, I found this to be incredibly amusing.  My tailored google searches are CONSTANTLY displaying ads for various rock and mineral related things. I find it hilarious.
 
2014-02-05 10:41:22 PM
Publicity stunt or off his meds. Your guess as good as mine.
 
2014-02-05 11:16:28 PM
good one, subby.
i lol'd.
 
2014-02-06 06:26:57 AM
Former wrestler and Minnesota Gov. Jesse Ventura says he has gone "off the grid" in Mexico to avoid drones knowing where he is.

He`s in mexico...
 
2014-02-06 11:09:14 AM

stuffy: Publicity stunt or off his meds. Your guess as good as mine.


Why not both?

Jessie went "off grid" mentally, long ago.
So we have that going for us.
Which is a good thing.

/keep on keepin' on
 
2014-02-06 11:11:24 AM
Laugh, cry, wail, run and scurry, I'll take the Jessie Brand any day over the congressional puds currently holding this country for ransom.
 
2014-02-06 12:08:07 PM
b.vimeocdn.com
 
2014-02-06 11:20:23 PM
Hasn't he been off the grid since 'Predator'? I barely even noticed he was governor of MN for a while.
 
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