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(The Wire)   Almost a year later, the crack COB of the LAPD concludes that 8 officers involved in a manhunt for a rogue officer who fired more than a 100 rounds in a vehicle being driven by two middle-aged women, really shouldn't oughta have done that   (thewire.com) divider line 166
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2014-02-05 12:59:39 PM  
Unless you fire them and superglue pig masks on them, I'm really not satisfied.
 
2014-02-05 01:08:31 PM  
stickerish.com
 
2014-02-05 01:11:29 PM  

vudukungfu: Unless you fire them and superglue pig masks on them, I'm really not satisfied.


hell the trigger-happy morons involved may not even get fired and because of "confidentiality" issues we may not even know if they are disciplined in any way, despite already costing taxpayers nearly $5 million.

I would also like to hear a concise statement from the local prosecutor as to why these officer are not being prosecuted for attempted manslaughter or reckless endangerment at the very least
 
2014-02-05 01:12:56 PM  
Or, you know, they could have just up and fired them, Submitter.

Because the best solution is not to follow the policies and internal process of the department so that the Police union can not only step in and get them their job back, but make them completely untouchable.

/eight scumbags who need to be taken off the job if they let fear control them that much that they gun down someone WHO LOOKS NOTHING LIKE Dorner.
//You know, we COULD license cops at the state level, separate from LE agencies, and - you know - yank their licenses like we do Nurses and Plumbers, so they can't work.
///So many problems solved.
 
2014-02-05 01:15:48 PM  

Magorn: vudukungfu: Unless you fire them and superglue pig masks on them, I'm really not satisfied.

hell the trigger-happy morons involved may not even get fired and because of "confidentiality" issues we may not even know if they are disciplined in any way, despite already costing taxpayers nearly $5 million.

I would also like to hear a concise statement from the local prosecutor as to why these officer are not being prosecuted for attempted manslaughter or reckless endangerment at the very least


They were just doing their jobs,

you think its easy being a cop asshole? It's not. On top of all the normal work strains that an officer has to deal with, they were under pressure from a guy targeting and killing there own.

Was this unfortunate, sure... but your blaming the wrong people, you should be blaming the guy who caused all of this.

Obama.

/I kid kid, but there were people defending these assholes.
 
2014-02-05 01:28:44 PM  
And the other cops, the ones who shot up the guy going surfing who had just left a security checkpoint, won't be getting charged either.
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-dorner-torrance-cop-no-c ha rges-20140115,0,7490608.story
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2014-02-05 01:32:38 PM  
The officers, none of whom have been named, could face anything from extensive retraining to termination. We won't know what their punishments will be, though, because that information is private under state law. Of course, shooting innocent people is also against state law.

Is the list of police officers a public record? You could at least find out if they were terminated.
 
2014-02-05 01:50:17 PM  

ZAZ: The officers, none of whom have been named, could face anything from extensive retraining to termination. We won't know what their punishments will be, though, because that information is private under state law. Of course, shooting innocent people is also against state law.

Is the list of police officers a public record? You could at least find out if they were terminated.


Technically, every police officer in the state is a matter of public record if they have taken the California POST exam and been certified through it.
 
2014-02-05 01:51:49 PM  

Heliovdrake: you think its easy being a cop asshole? It's not. On top of all the normal work strains that an officer has to deal with, they were under pressure from a guy targeting and killing there own.


As an ex-cop, I can assure you I was not trained to process any emotions when confronting a suspect.

But then again, I can see you were just trolling, so carry on, sir.

Let your freak flag fly. As my commander user to say.
 
2014-02-05 02:09:17 PM  
To be fair, the first 100 bullets were simply poorly aimed warning shots.
 
2014-02-05 02:17:26 PM  
The women were given a $4.2 million settlement and another $40,000 to replace the truck back  .

At least they won the police lottery!!
 
2014-02-05 02:18:52 PM  

miss diminutive: To be fair, the first 100 bullets were simply poorly aimed warning shots.


Honor Roll Graduates of the Imperial Storm Trooper Marksmanship Academy.
 
2014-02-05 02:26:47 PM  
CSB

There was a incident were police received a call to an apartment building in San Francisco.  They pulled behind a vehicle who was using his keycard to open the parking lot gate.  The police heard shots and proceeded to kill the man just trying to get home.

The apartment building was across the street from the police outdoor firing range.

No charges were filled.

/CSB
 
2014-02-05 02:28:56 PM  
It is also a violation of the Obama Healthcare Program.
 
2014-02-05 02:30:01 PM  

namatad: The women were given a $4.2 million settlement and another $40,000 to replace the truck back  .

At least they won the police lottery!!


In Austin these two women would have died in prison and their families told to shut up if they knew what was good for them.
 
2014-02-05 02:32:18 PM  
When you accept that police should be involved in any and all interpersonal interactions, you tend to grant them certain privileges
 
2014-02-05 02:33:20 PM  
Well. I'm glad that's been cleared up.
 
2014-02-05 02:34:43 PM  
how embarassing...over 100 shots and no one died?
 
2014-02-05 02:34:47 PM  

hardinparamedic: Because the best solution is not to follow the policies and internal process of the department so that the Police union can not only step in and get them their job back, but make them completely untouchable.


Someone on Fark who understands the process!

As you correctly asserted, the reason bad cops get their jobs back is almost always because the administration failed to follow internal policies and procedures when terminating the cop.

When I was a board member of the union, there were several times when we had to hold our noses while we defended the termination process because we knew some guy that shouldn't be a cop would probably get his job back. In one case we secretly went behind the scenes and told the chief to fix his investigation because we didn't want a bad cop to go back to work.

Yeah, doing things right sometimes takes time because there are a lot of t's to cross and i's to dot. That's why some cops get put on paid admin leave, or as Fark calls it "paid vacation," while the investigation takes place. If they fire the guy without being able to show cause, they might as well not fire him.
 
2014-02-05 02:35:04 PM  
If these women had been carrying weapons, they could have defended themselves.
Thanks alot Obama.
 
2014-02-05 02:35:40 PM  
I'd like to fire more than 100 rounds at that long and horrible headline, Subby!
 
2014-02-05 02:37:55 PM  

hardinparamedic: miss diminutive: To be fair, the first 100 bullets were simply poorly aimed warning shots.

Honor Roll Graduates of the Imperial Storm Trooper Marksmanship Academy.


Or recent recruits to Police Squad!

www.imfdb.org
 
2014-02-05 02:39:11 PM  
Nextime someone swears to take out the popo, remind me to buy stock in mens/adult underware.
 
2014-02-05 02:40:02 PM  
What the story doesn't mention is that the COB originally found the cops innocent of any wrongdoing.

Fact is, Chief Beck, with his two turntables and a microphone, met privately with the COB after the original decision and changed their minds a few hours later.
 
2014-02-05 02:41:22 PM  

CruiserTwelve: hardinparamedic: Because the best solution is not to follow the policies and internal process of the department so that the Police union can not only step in and get them their job back, but make them completely untouchable.

Someone on Fark who understands the process!

As you correctly asserted, the reason bad cops get their jobs back is almost always because the administration failed to follow internal policies and procedures when terminating the cop.

When I was a board member of the union, there were several times when we had to hold our noses while we defended the termination process because we knew some guy that shouldn't be a cop would probably get his job back. In one case we secretly went behind the scenes and told the chief to fix his investigation because we didn't want a bad cop to go back to work.

Yeah, doing things right sometimes takes time because there are a lot of t's to cross and i's to dot. That's why some cops get put on paid admin leave, or as Fark calls it "paid vacation," while the investigation takes place. If they fire the guy without being able to show cause, they might as well not fire him.


Couldnt the police have JUST arrested these cops for illegally firing a gun at citizens?
reckless endangerment
attempted homicide
illegal firearm discharge
etc etc etc

pretty certain that a LARGE number of laws were broken, forget police "procedure"
how about just applying the existing laws?

/nah, cops are extra special and we should never mistreat them when they go rogue
/thank science that the two women were unarmed and didnt defend themselves against nuts with guns
/thank science that the cops suck at aiming
 
2014-02-05 02:42:11 PM  
"I sympathize with the officers, but I have a very high standard for the application of deadly force, and the shooting did not meet that standard," Beck said.

Really?  The police chief said that?

And, according to the Los Angeles Times, that finding almost didn't happen at all. A "panel of high-ranking police officials" actually urged Beck to clear the officers, but he recommended to the Police Commission that they be found in violation of policy.

I'm starting to like this police chief.
 
2014-02-05 02:42:41 PM  
only two of those 103 bullets hit their target.

"Tell you something. If the rest of you could shoot like them, I wouldn't care if the whole damn department was straight."
2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-02-05 02:43:38 PM  

namatad: Couldnt the police have JUST arrested these cops for illegally firing a gun at citizens?
reckless endangerment
attempted homicide
illegal firearm discharge
etc etc etc


Police-involved shootings while on duty are universally treated as justifiable until proven otherwise by evidence or investigation findings -  unfortunately even in cases like this where it is absolutely clear that they were negligent and idiotic. However, I've never heard of anyone involved in a shooting being allowed to continue working as a police officer while under investigation.
 
2014-02-05 02:43:45 PM  

CruiserTwelve: As you correctly asserted, the reason bad cops get their jobs back is almost always because the administration failed to follow internal policies and procedures when terminating the cop.


Because the administration throws the process to make sure their Officer doesn't lose his job permanently?
 
2014-02-05 02:44:53 PM  

Timmy the Tumor: how embarassing...over 100 shots and no one died?


How embarrassing that only two hit their target out of 103 shots.  That means 102 shots that not only missed  target but could have hit somebody else costing the  city a lot more that $4 million plus.   Sounds like they used there weaposn like  bullet hoses instead of precision weapons.

Local Law enforcement marksmanship sucks in most places.  Even if your employer won't foot the bill for more time at the range  you should be professional enough to take it upon yourself.

I don't see 103 holes in this truck


cdn.theatlantic.com
 
2014-02-05 02:45:24 PM  

MBooda: only two of those 103 bullets hit their target.

"Tell you something. If the rest of you could shoot like them, I wouldn't care if the whole damn department was straight."
[2.bp.blogspot.com image 350x220]


magnum force?
 
2014-02-05 02:45:35 PM  

hardinparamedic: Because the best solution is not to follow the policies and internal process of the department so that the Police union can not only step in and get them their job back, but make them completely untouchable.


They opened fire on the wrong vehicle, driven by two people who looked nothing like the suspect, managed to shoot nearby houses, all wihtout warning.

After something like that the procedures are farked if it takes that long to say they were wrong.

The system is farked if charges haven't been brought.
 
2014-02-05 02:45:47 PM  

hardinparamedic: miss diminutive: To be fair, the first 100 bullets were simply poorly aimed warning shots.

Honor Roll Graduates of the Imperial Storm Trooper Marksmanship Academy.



Actually from what I've seen, the 101 shots that missed were the targeted ones, and the two that hit were the warning shots.
 
2014-02-05 02:47:29 PM  
Some guy who didn't get his paper that day was pissed.
 
2014-02-05 02:48:25 PM  
a police officer mistook the sound of the paper hitting the ground with a gunshot

I've never fired a gun but aren't those things slightly louder than a newspaper hitting the ground? Was it a Sunday edition? They do add a lot of crap to those... so maybe then, I'd be more understanding.
 
2014-02-05 02:48:49 PM  

CruiserTwelve: hardinparamedic: Because the best solution is not to follow the policies and internal process of the department so that the Police union can not only step in and get them their job back, but make them completely untouchable.

Someone on Fark who understands the process!

As you correctly asserted, the reason bad cops get their jobs back is almost always because the administration failed to follow internal policies and procedures when terminating the cop.

When I was a board member of the union, there were several times when we had to hold our noses while we defended the termination process because we knew some guy that shouldn't be a cop would probably get his job back. In one case we secretly went behind the scenes and told the chief to fix his investigation because we didn't want a bad cop to go back to work.

Yeah, doing things right sometimes takes time because there are a lot of t's to cross and i's to dot. That's why some cops get put on paid admin leave, or as Fark calls it "paid vacation," while the investigation takes place. If they fire the guy without being able to show cause, they might as well not fire him.


We get the process.

Needlessly complex, involved and drawn out to allow as many shiatty cops as possible to trampls the rights of citizens.

These farkers should be in jail.

They shoudl have been arrested afterwards.
 
2014-02-05 02:49:36 PM  
Anything that doesn't result in these guys serving time, followed by a lifetime of employment in positions in which they are never trusted with anything deadlier than a toilet brush, is a completely laughable joke.
 
2014-02-05 02:49:39 PM  

hasty ambush: I don't see 103 holes in this truck


I see a couple of aholes in the foreground.
 
2014-02-05 02:50:02 PM  

CruiserTwelve: Yeah, doing things right sometimes takes time because there are a lot of t's to cross and i's to dot. That's why some cops get put on paid admin leave, or as Fark calls it "paid vacation," while the investigation takes place. If they fire the guy without being able to show cause, they might as well not fire him.


When the DA gets off his ass and puts the loser in jail, whether his union rep gives a shiat becomes moot.

Any person convicted of a felony (or of a crime in another jurisdiction that would be a felony in California) is prohibited from employment as a California peace officer as a matter of state law.
 
2014-02-05 02:50:41 PM  
The officers will receive a stern warning to not let it happen again and will be docked a day's pay for demonstrating such poor weapon proficiency.
 
2014-02-05 02:51:13 PM  

namatad: Couldnt the police have JUST arrested these cops for illegally firing a gun at citizens?
reckless endangerment
attempted homicide
illegal firearm discharge
etc etc etc

pretty certain that a LARGE number of laws were broken, forget police "procedure"
how about just applying the existing laws?


Because the District Attorney's investigation concluded that they didn't break any laws. Whether you or I disagree with that is irrelevant.
 
2014-02-05 02:52:13 PM  

vudukungfu: Heliovdrake: you think its easy being a cop asshole? It's not. On top of all the normal work strains that an officer has to deal with, they were under pressure from a guy targeting and killing there own.

As an ex-cop, I can assure you I was not trained to process any emotions when confronting a suspect.

But then again, I can see you were just trolling, so carry on, sir.

Let your freak flag fly. As my commander user to say.


uhh...did you not see the rest of the post, and realize it was sarcasm?
 
2014-02-05 02:52:59 PM  

Heliovdrake: you think its easy being a cop asshole?


It sure seems to be easy - there are a *lot* of cop assholes out there.
 
2014-02-05 02:53:06 PM  

hasty ambush: Timmy the Tumor: how embarassing...over 100 shots and no one died?

How embarrassing that only two hit their target out of 103 shots.  That means 102 shots that not only missed  target but could have hit somebody else costing the  city a lot more that $4 million plus.   Sounds like they used there weaposn like  bullet hoses instead of precision weapons.

Local Law enforcement marksmanship sucks in most places.  Even if your employer won't foot the bill for more time at the range  you should be professional enough to take it upon yourself.

I don't see 103 holes in this truck


[cdn.theatlantic.com image 675x439]


There was oone in LA about 7-8 years back, maybe a little longer, where they were shooting at baddies in a Suburban going down the street between two lines of cops, they fired somewhere near this many times and din't hit the farking Suburban once. Shot up a lot of people's houses though.

I'd forgotten just how off the mark they had been on this one until I saw this pic again.
 
2014-02-05 02:53:36 PM  

fnordfocus: Because the administration throws the process to make sure their Officer doesn't lose his job permanently?


I seriously doubt it. It's more likely a matter of "I'm the boss and I should be able to do as I please without following silly rules."
 
2014-02-05 02:54:33 PM  
Did they at least get more target proctice so they could hit the innocent people they're shooting at?
 
2014-02-05 02:54:33 PM  

liam76: They opened fire on the wrong vehicle, driven by two people who looked nothing like the suspect, managed to shoot nearby houses, all wihtout warning.

After something like that the procedures are farked if it takes that long to say they were wrong.

The system is farked if charges haven't been brought.


You're entitled to your opinion. I just stated a fact.

This text is now purple: When the DA gets off his ass and puts the loser in jail, whether his union rep gives a shiat becomes moot.


Erm, not under California law. His union can actually get the entire case thrown out if there was in propriety on the side of the Police Department, especially when admissions of guilt can be thrown out as tainted fruit under the 4th Amendment.
 
2014-02-05 02:54:43 PM  

hasty ambush: Timmy the Tumor: how embarassing...over 100 shots and no one died?

How embarrassing that only two hit their target out of 103 shots.  That means 102 shots that not only missed  target but could have hit somebody else costing the  city a lot more that $4 million plus.   Sounds like they used there weaposn like  bullet hoses instead of precision weapons.

Local Law enforcement marksmanship sucks in most places.  Even if your employer won't foot the bill for more time at the range  you should be professional enough to take it upon yourself.

I don't see 103 holes in this truck

[cdn.theatlantic.com image 675x439]


Most missed entirely.
 
2014-02-05 02:54:55 PM  

IamAwake: I can see you were just trolling, so carry on, sir

 
2014-02-05 02:55:07 PM  

Magorn: hell the trigger-happy morons involved may not even get fired and because of "confidentiality" issues we may not even know if they are disciplined in any way, despite already costing taxpayers nearly $5 million.

I would also like to hear a concise statement from the local prosecutor as to why these officer are not being prosecuted for attempted manslaughter or reckless endangerment at the very least


For the life of me, I don't understand why governments and police defend officers like that.  I mean, it's got to be obvious that these people are stupid and liabilities.  Why keep them around?

haemaker: CSB

There was a incident were police received a call to an apartment building in San Francisco.  They pulled behind a vehicle who was using his keycard to open the parking lot gate.  The police heard shots and proceeded to kill the man just trying to get home.

The apartment building was across the street from the police outdoor firing range.

No charges were filled.

/CSB


Source/link?
 
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