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2014-02-05 01:11:44 PM
According to DiNatale, he had forgotten about the Bersa .380 handgun he had stowed in the center console.


If you FORGET YOU HAVE A LOADED GUN IN YOUR CAR, you deserve everything that happens to you.

No sympathy for stupidity.
 
2014-02-05 01:17:49 PM
I still say its an overreaction by Canadian customs...they could have slapped him upside the head, turned him around and sent him back to the US instead of wasting taxpayers' $$$.
 
2014-02-05 01:32:47 PM
"Don't bring your guns into Canada," 

ROFL
 
2014-02-05 01:35:07 PM

scottydoesntknow: According to DiNatale, he had forgotten about the Bersa .380 handgun he had stowed in the center console.


If you FORGET YOU HAVE A LOADED GUN IN YOUR CAR, you deserve everything that happens to you.

No sympathy for stupidity.


Yeah, and I don't believe the run up to the border is all that secret.  No good street view coverage, but there had to be signs that said "LAST US EXIT" etc...
 
2014-02-05 01:37:07 PM

gopher321: I still say its an overreaction by Canadian customs...they could have slapped him upside the head, turned him around and sent him back to the US instead of wasting taxpayers' $$$.


Yeah, but that wouldn't deter other gun-toting hillbillies from driving to Canada.
 
2014-02-05 01:39:27 PM

scottydoesntknow: According to DiNatale, he had forgotten about the Bersa .380 handgun he had stowed in the center console.

If you FORGET YOU HAVE A LOADED GUN IN YOUR CAR, you deserve everything that happens to you.

No sympathy for stupidity.


That.  He's also from Kentucky, but apparent was driving in Vermont and New York... meaning he transported a loaded gun in the center console of his car through those states, and probably others.

That means he  also could be facing federal charges in the US under FOPA, which makes it illegal to transport a firearm loaded within reach, plus state charges in every state he passed through. 3 years? Try 30 or more.
 
2014-02-05 01:43:57 PM

haemaker: Yeah, and I don't believe the run up to the border is all that secret. No good street view coverage, but there had to be signs that said "LAST US EXIT" etc...


This. I haven't crossed the border in many years, but I seem to recall signs like "Border crossing 5 miles" all over the place.
 
2014-02-05 01:51:49 PM

scottydoesntknow: According to DiNatale, he had forgotten about the Bersa .380 handgun he had stowed in the center console.


If you FORGET YOU HAVE A LOADED GUN IN YOUR CAR, you deserve everything that happens to you.

No sympathy for stupidity.


Hey.  The guy can't help it if he's gone senile...  YOU'RE GONNA BE OLD SOMEDAY TOO, YA KNOW

nmrsnr: haemaker: Yeah, and I don't believe the run up to the border is all that secret. No good street view coverage, but there had to be signs that said "LAST US EXIT" etc...

This. I haven't crossed the border in many years, but I seem to recall signs like "Border crossing 5 miles" all over the place.


Old people also have a tendency to shiatty eyesight.  TMYK.

/this is my snarky way of saying "these"
 
2014-02-05 01:53:06 PM
It wasn't the wrong turn, it was the lie to the border guard about the gun you had in your car that got him arrested. I'll never get why this seems to happen so often.
 
2014-02-05 01:53:50 PM

nmrsnr: haemaker: Yeah, and I don't believe the run up to the border is all that secret. No good street view coverage, but there had to be signs that said "LAST US EXIT" etc...

This. I haven't crossed the border in many years, but I seem to recall signs like "Border crossing 5 miles" all over the place.


Haven't crossed via car recently either, but... I mean, let's say you are terrible at driving, like a lot of old people. I know the road probably doesn't make it convenient, but it seems like they should allow people to turn back voluntarily. Presumably they have to turn people back involuntarily sometimes.
 
2014-02-05 01:54:52 PM
I drive all over northern Vermont with a loaded gun in my car.
Yes, the border guys freak out if they know you have a gun in your car.
They are trained to freak out.
They also are trained to be assholes.
So stay away from the border.
Be aware of where you are driving.
Never admit you have a gun in your vehicle if you make a wrong turn.
Just ask where you may turn around, not IF you may turn around.
 
2014-02-05 01:55:02 PM

change1211: It wasn't the wrong turn, it was the lie to the border guard about the gun you had in your car that got him arrested. I'll never get why this seems to happen so often.


When you're a true supporter of the Second Amendment, you can't be expected to remember all the guns you have on you.
 
2014-02-05 02:01:37 PM

tallguywithglasseson: change1211: It wasn't the wrong turn, it was the lie to the border guard about the gun you had in your car that got him arrested. I'll never get why this seems to happen so often.

When you're a true supporter of the Second Amendment, you can't be expected to remember all the guns you have on you.


I must have missed that section in my secret handbook.
 
2014-02-05 02:09:47 PM

scottydoesntknow: According to DiNatale, he had forgotten about the Bersa .380 handgun he had stowed in the center console.


If you FORGET YOU HAVE A LOADED GUN IN YOUR CAR, you deserve everything that happens to you.

No sympathy for stupidity.


Done in one.

In reality guns are expensive, how do you misplace them so easily.  Maybe we should put GPS trackers in them, so you can have a "Find my gun" app on your phone.


/I'm sure a law about GPS trackers in guns would be in no way controversial
 
2014-02-05 02:13:44 PM

haemaker: scottydoesntknow: According to DiNatale, he had forgotten about the Bersa .380 handgun he had stowed in the center console.


If you FORGET YOU HAVE A LOADED GUN IN YOUR CAR, you deserve everything that happens to you.

No sympathy for stupidity.

Yeah, and I don't believe the run up to the border is all that secret.  No good street view coverage, but there had to be signs that said "LAST US EXIT" etc...


I have crossed at the Thousand Islands plenty of times. There are great big signs saying "Last US Exit" that this guy ignored.

He's lucky that the NY State Troopers didn't catch him either, as he was carrying illegally once he crossed into NY. NY State does not honor any other states pistol permits, he was breaking the law once he crossed the state line. I'm sure his "unreliable GPS" was responsible for that too.
 
2014-02-05 02:14:15 PM

EvilEgg: a law about GPS trackers in guns would be in no way controversial


Can it show me all the guns in this stadium right now?
 
2014-02-05 02:17:53 PM
"They could have done their homework and looked at his background and seen he's a professional," Engel said of the border patrol. "They could have accepted the word of his wife and released him on his own recognizance."

Yes, I'm sure his wife would've been a completely objective source to back up his story.

Also, a professional what? What profession allows you to drive across borders with loaded guns?
 
2014-02-05 02:19:14 PM

EvilEgg: scottydoesntknow: According to DiNatale, he had forgotten about the Bersa .380 handgun he had stowed in the center console.


If you FORGET YOU HAVE A LOADED GUN IN YOUR CAR, you deserve everything that happens to you.

No sympathy for stupidity.

Done in one.

In reality guns are expensive, how do you misplace them so easily.  Maybe we should put GPS trackers in them, so you can have a "Find my gun" app on your phone.


/I'm sure a law about GPS trackers in guns would be in no way controversial


You can just imagine the insanity over a law like that.
FFS, there would be more than one death from outrage!
 
2014-02-05 02:20:06 PM
Why? I don't deny your right to have a gun, but I don't understand why you feel the need to have it on your person at all times.
 
2014-02-05 02:20:33 PM

Snuffybud: There are great big signs saying "Last US Exit" that this guy ignored.


This. I've crossed at that location countless times as well. There's no way he couldn't have known he was approaching the border, GPS or not.
 
2014-02-05 02:23:44 PM
He should have tried out his "I'm sorry. I thought this was America" schtick. The Canadians love that.
 
2014-02-05 02:23:51 PM
"I told him I was retired military, I had respect for weapons, and I had a concealed carry license to do so," DiNatale explained in a statement. "He asked me when was the last time I had a weapon on me. I told him, 'Earlier that week.' He asked me again, 'Why?' I told him it was my right as an American citizen to do so."

s2.quickmeme.com
 
2014-02-05 02:24:39 PM
Don't take your guns to Canada, son.

Leave your guns at home, Louis.
 
2014-02-05 02:25:53 PM

gopher321: I still say its an overreaction by Canadian customs...they could have slapped him upside the head, turned him around and sent him back to the US instead of wasting taxpayers' $$$.


Right. Because foreign laws don't apply to 'Muricans.
 
2014-02-05 02:25:56 PM
FTA "a former Army legal expert and paralegal in his home state"

Is somebody hunting for a fight?
 
2014-02-05 02:26:07 PM

SecretAgentWoman: Why? I don't deny your right to have a gun, but I don't understand why you feel the need to have it on your person at all times.


He didn't feel the need, he didn't even know he had one with him.
 
2014-02-05 02:27:36 PM
I can't help but wonder how many "Oh that gun? I forgot about that gun." stories have people who honestly forgot, and how many include people who just come up with panicky excuses when caught. It's still stupid, but a different kind of stupid.
 
2014-02-05 02:27:50 PM
My sister has a similar story but with Mexico. The problem didn't pop up until it was time to come back into the US, but she didn't get in trouble. It took a few hours to straighten out, though.
 
2014-02-05 02:27:59 PM
Was it the Hershey Highway?
 
2014-02-05 02:28:14 PM
Is there not a u-Turn somewhere before this border crossing that they could have used? I mean at some point there must have been signs that there was a border crossing, turn back now if you don't want Tim Hortons instead of Starbucks.
 
2014-02-05 02:29:35 PM
Why the fark does it matter that he's a military veteran? Do they get special consideration when they break laws or something?
 
2014-02-05 02:30:33 PM

Theaetetus: scottydoesntknow: According to DiNatale, he had forgotten about the Bersa .380 handgun he had stowed in the center console.

If you FORGET YOU HAVE A LOADED GUN IN YOUR CAR, you deserve everything that happens to you.

No sympathy for stupidity.

That.  He's also from Kentucky, but apparent was driving in Vermont and New York... meaning he transported a loaded gun in the center console of his car through those states, and probably others.

That means he  also could be facing federal charges in the US under FOPA, which makes it illegal to transport a firearm loaded within reach, plus state charges in every state he passed through. 3 years? Try 30 or more.


I don't like this posts, but this.

Speaking as a gun owner and a concealed carry permit holder, if you can't even keep track of where your loaded guns are you have no business possessing or owning them.

Also, he broke the law in at least three states, depending on his driving route.
 
2014-02-05 02:30:44 PM

scottydoesntknow: According to DiNatale, he had forgotten about the Bersa .380 handgun he had stowed in the center console.


If you FORGET YOU HAVE A LOADED GUN IN YOUR CAR, you deserve everything that happens to you.

No sympathy for stupidity.


This.  It's what I came here to say.

I would have sympathy if he immediately said to the border patrol, "whoops...  Look, man, I didn't even mean to come this way.  I have a gun here."  And, THEN, they arrested him.  But that's not what happened.  How the bloody hell do you FORGET that you have a gun in your car?!?!
 
2014-02-05 02:30:58 PM

The Dog Ate My Homework: Why the fark does it matter that he's a military veteran? Do they get special consideration when they break laws or something?


They know how to properly handle handguns, that is assuming they remember where they left them.
 
2014-02-05 02:31:54 PM

loonatic112358: Is there not a u-Turn somewhere before this border crossing that they could have used? I mean at some point there must have been signs that there was a border crossing, turn back now if you don't want Tim Hortons instead of Starbucks.


That's a really good idea.  Then we could set it up so the exit for people who choose Starbucks drops them in a pit.
 
2014-02-05 02:32:29 PM

Noticeably F.A.T.: I can't help but wonder how many "Oh that gun? I forgot about that gun." stories have people who honestly forgot, and how many include people who just come up with panicky excuses when caught. It's still stupid, but a different kind of stupid.


True.  That's always a good possibility that he's just lying about forgetting.

I have at least three jackwagons that work at my workplace who brag/have commented they keep a loaded gun with them when traveling out of state, regardless of the law in the states that they're passing through.
 
2014-02-05 02:32:32 PM

Weatherkiss: Don't take your guns to Canada, son.

Leave your guns at home, Louis.


This. Oh, and if you feel the need to cross the border with them do the farking paperwork. The stuff isn't that long, but leave your pistols at home. I go over the border every year or two for hunting. I've never been hassled once.

This guy? Complete farking moron going for the pity and veteran plays simultaneously. 'Professionals' don't forget they are carrying loaded weapons jacka$$. I hope they kick your a$$ out and keep your forgotten firearm. I mean, he forgot about it, he obviously doesn't need it.
 
2014-02-05 02:32:43 PM
"I also legally own hundreds of landmines.  God knows where I put those."
 
2014-02-05 02:33:31 PM
I can't remember how many times that has happened to me.
 
2014-02-05 02:34:11 PM

ArkPanda: That's a really good idea.  Then we could set it up so the exit for people who choose Starbucks drops them in a pit.


Unless they're from Seattle, then they should just refill the IV with free trade locally crafted organically sourced civet digested coffee


For Tim Hortons They should be forced to drink Starbucks

It's a govt involved business, it shuldn't be pleasant for everyone, specially the fureenurs
 
2014-02-05 02:35:28 PM

The Dog Ate My Homework: Why the fark does it matter that he's a military veteran? Do they get special consideration when they break laws or something?


upload.wikimedia.org

"Gulf War veteran to be executed on June 11, 2001 by the very government he attempted to reform through the reduction of federal employees and the closure of a federal building."
 
2014-02-05 02:36:17 PM

durbnpoisn: How the bloody hell do you FORGET that you have a gun in your car?!?!


Pre-senile dementia? Also takes care of the issue of how the bloody hell you manage to miss the 'This way for Canada' and 'No, really, if you keep going this way you'll end up in Canada, eh' signs.
 
2014-02-05 02:36:24 PM
I have quite a bit of sympathy for this guy, just because it seems like he asked if he could just turn around when he got to the border.  So either he remembered at that point that he had the gun, or he really really sucks at driving and missed about 5 warnings that he was heading to Cananda.  Both pretty brain-dead, but neither of those really deserves 3 years in prison.

Hopefully any judge up there is going to be more reasonable than to give him the max though.  Maybe he'll just be banned from Canada for life?
 
2014-02-05 02:38:35 PM
Not a csb, but my SIL made friends with a family from GA while on a cruise  and invited them up to visit. They drove to MA with two handguns. One the father was carrying and another intended as a gift to my SIL. They had zero concept of gun laws north of the Mason Dixon. None..... There is no excuse for not researching these things.
 
2014-02-05 02:38:46 PM
CSB:

I was on a road trip with the kids last summer. We were heading to Smugglers Notch, Vermont and on the way stopped at Niagara Falls. I was using GPS and we went over this long bridge and when we got to the other side it said "Welcome to somesuch island!" Cool! "Hey kids check it out, we are on a big island!"

The next sign said:

"NEXT EXIT LAST US EXIT"Apparently the best route was through Montreal.

"OH crap!" We don't have passports and I didn't know how bad that would be so I turned around. Crappy part is there is no good way to get from the top of NY state to the middle of Vermont. It was a long drive from podunk town to podunk town added an extra 2 hours to our trip. Did get to go across lake Champlain though, which was cool.

Moral of the story: Dumbass is a dumbass, it isn't like the boarder sneaks up on you. I don;t know if he is "three years in jail" dumbass but he is a dumbass.
 
2014-02-05 02:39:27 PM

Abner Doon: I have quite a bit of sympathy for this guy, just because it seems like he asked if he could just turn around when he got to the border.  So either he remembered at that point that he had the gun, or he really really sucks at driving and missed about 5 warnings that he was heading to Cananda.  Both pretty brain-dead, but neither of those really deserves 3 years in prison.

Hopefully any judge up there is going to be more reasonable than to give him the max though.  Maybe he'll just be banned from Canada for life?


And that would be the best thing to ever happen for this guy and his wife. Been to Canukistan and saw not one single reason to ever go back.
 
2014-02-05 02:39:47 PM
I own several guns, many are loaded, and I KNOW EXACTLY WHERE EACH ONE IS AT ALL TIMES. I've never just suddenly realized that I'm packing. I've also been in a car at a Canadian border crossing where one passenger admitted to having a "weapon" (mace... those canadians are cute). The patrol officer just shunted us through a special turn-out that brought us right back to the US.

This guy thought he was the smartest guy in the room, and was trying to do exactly what he's charged with: smuggle a gun across the border. Sucks to get caught, but play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
 
2014-02-05 02:39:58 PM

SecretAgentWoman: Why? I don't deny your right to have a gun, but I don't understand why you feel the need to have it on your person at all times.


Apparently you aren't aware that the brown folks have gotten uppity since that Kenyan feller stole the White House. "Regular Americans" need to be armed at all times in order to protect their families from the rampant, zombie-apocalypse-like chaos that is occurring in our streets.
 
2014-02-05 02:40:37 PM

The Dog Ate My Homework: Why the fark does it matter that he's a military veteran? Do they get special consideration when they break laws or something?


Do you really think an American Hero should have to obey some weak-assed liberal gun laws from some shiatty little country that wouldn't even exist if America hadn't whipped Hitler and Uncle Joe Stalin?
 
2014-02-05 02:40:51 PM
Anybody have any sense of how likely he is to be given a custodial sentence? The media tends to go for OMG years in prison!!!1 but really only a fine so often that it's hard to give such claims credence.
 
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