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2014-02-05 04:19:36 PM  

kpaxoid: Bit'O'Gristle: rocketpants: Because having an unemployed single mother is what's best for the child.

/Funny you say that...there was a story years ago about a couple that were in "good standing" whatever that means, i guess that means "good mindless sheep" with the church, and they had a little girl.  Anyway, turns out the girl was allergic to whatever the wafer was made of (rice? wheat?) that you have to eat during communion.  She could have a horrible reaction to it, and die.  Anyway, they asked their priest if he could substitute something else, as it was just a symbol of "the body of christ" and not actually crists's flesh, that would be odd, and sick.  Anyway, the priest sent this request all the way up the derp food chain, and the family was told, "NO, we cannot do this".

So, in essence, since she couldn't take communion, she was hell bound  by the churches rules, even though she had done nothing wrong, and was only 5 or so years old.  If i remember right, the Baptists took the family in after the family wised up and told the Catholic Church to stick it up their old tan tailpipe.   You farkers can look up the story if you wish, was a long time ago, but that is what i remember of it.

The girl was 8 years old.

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/5762478/#.UvKDefvva8E


What's funny in that article is near the bottom:

Pelly-Waldman is seeking help from the Pope and has written to Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith in Rome, challenging the church's policy.

RATZINGER!!! It seems that guy can't keep his name out of any scandal or problem.
 
2014-02-05 04:20:31 PM  

nmrsnr: Virgin pregnancies are actually possible naturally, in rare circumstance, and with today's fertilization technology, is fairly simple (if somewhat expensive) to accomplish. I say the burden of proof is on the school is to prove she had sex.


Since this would be a civil matter, all they'd have to do is depose her and ask if she'd had sex out of wedlock, knew who the father was, etc.

The bigger issue to me is the idea that she has "stopped" being Catholic simply because she had sex out of wedlock.  Seems to me that all she's done is sin.  And if she's sinned, then she should go to confession and seek forgiveness.  Just because you've sinned doesn't get you excommunicated.  That's why I don't understand the firing.
 
2014-02-05 04:21:00 PM  

Magorn: Odd because I've attended masses where a loaf of store-bought Italian bread, Home-baked rolls, and once, in extremis, a Saltine Cracker, was consecrated. READ TFA it makes a bit more sense, but not sure why the girl just doesn't take a sip of the communion wine instead, in Catholic belief there ain't any difference between the two "species" of Communion and the amount of wine you ingest that way ain't enough to harm anyone. (know alcoholic priests who can nonetheless consume communion wine)


A lot of churches just use grape juice these days, anyway.
 If that rule wasn't hard and fast, why would the communion wafer be?
 
2014-02-05 04:24:33 PM  

Jeteupthemiddle: theknuckler_33:

The point? Unless you live in a terrible school district, I don't understand why anyone sends their kids to Catholic school. Save the money, send them to public school and CCD (assuming their religious education is so important). I kick myself to this day for not remaining bad enough to cause my parents to actually send me to the public school. I might not have had such a problem dealing with girls for as long as I did. Thanks a lot for sending me to an all-boys school! fark!


Well, at least where I am, you may send your kids to Catholic school if you don't want your kids to have a "drill and kill" teaching-to-the-test curriculum.  While I follow the same state common core standards, I do not have any standardized tests to worry about, so I can teach the curriculum any way I care to, in any order, and for however long I feel I need to to make sure they know the information.

Now we do have standardized testing in 4th, 6th, and 8th grades (instead of all grades 3-8), and we do want our students to do well on them, but we don't stop teaching for months at a time just so they can learn how to take a test.

For the record, I teach in a Catholic school because the public schools had/have a hiring freeze when I graduated college.  I'm not religious at all, but I do happen to love my school.


Haven't seen this happen in my public school educated daughter yet either.

/5th grade
//in fact, there is literally zero 'prep' for the "PSSAs"... it's just a week in which they take them.
 
2014-02-05 04:35:11 PM  

Cynicism101: That Guy Jeff: If you don't want to be subject to ridiculous religious rules, don't VOLUNTARILY make yourself subject to ridiculous religious rules. It's that simple.

I suppose it never occurred to you how few qualified teachers get teaching jobs. She was probably just happy to take whatever job she could get.


And...? Who cares? She chose to be a teacher, she chose to accept "whatever job she could get", she chose to work at a religious place. The religious nut school  said "Hey, we will buy your services, but only if you follow these rules" and she said "OK". She broke the rules, they stopped buying her services. That's it.  I can't even comprehend in what universe "her being happy to take whatever job she could get" means she is somehow immune to the rules of the place buying her services.
 
2014-02-05 04:41:16 PM  

Redfire29: kpaxoid: Bit'O'Gristle: rocketpants: Because having an unemployed single mother is what's best for the child.

/Funny you say that...there was a story years ago about a couple that were in "good standing" whatever that means, i guess that means "good mindless sheep" with the church, and they had a little girl.  Anyway, turns out the girl was allergic to whatever the wafer was made of (rice? wheat?) that you have to eat during communion.  She could have a horrible reaction to it, and die.  Anyway, they asked their priest if he could substitute something else, as it was just a symbol of "the body of christ" and not actually crists's flesh, that would be odd, and sick.  Anyway, the priest sent this request all the way up the derp food chain, and the family was told, "NO, we cannot do this".

So, in essence, since she couldn't take communion, she was hell bound  by the churches rules, even though she had done nothing wrong, and was only 5 or so years old.  If i remember right, the Baptists took the family in after the family wised up and told the Catholic Church to stick it up their old tan tailpipe.   You farkers can look up the story if you wish, was a long time ago, but that is what i remember of it.

The girl was 8 years old.

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/5762478/#.UvKDefvva8E

What's funny in that article is near the bottom:

Pelly-Waldman is seeking help from the Pope and has written to Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith in Rome, challenging the church's policy.

RATZINGER!!! It seems that guy can't keep his name out of any scandal or problem.


Yeah old story as Ratizinger recently had another name..ie Pope Benedict XIV
 
2014-02-05 04:42:09 PM  

tlars699: clear_prop: serpent_sky: clear_prop: I went to a Catholic HS. Girls that got pregnant were kicked out. Girls that had an abortion were allowed to stay.

And the guys who knocked all of them up were allowed to stay.

Of course they were.

The worst was one day the morning announcements told us to 'pray for SomeJock who was injured in a car accident'.  What they didn't say is he was driving drunk and had killed his GF.  They didn't even have the decency to say 'pray for her soul'.

/recovering Catholic

Sad button is needed. :(

Was said gf not Catholic?


I assume she was Catholic since she went to a different Catholic HS.
 
2014-02-05 05:18:31 PM  

nmrsnr: I guess it depends on what you mean by "virgin", but (to keep it mature and scientific) if a dude blows his wad all over woman's lady bits, his little swimmers can maek babby even if his dongle never touches her vagoo.


Please keep an eye on your mailbox for an invoice.  Prompt payment is highly desirable because I am without a keyboard and monitor until then.

/Soda is everywhere...
 
2014-02-05 05:48:38 PM  
I'm assuming you don't have to be a member of the church to teach at that school. They in no way have the right to fire her over this, even if there is a clause in her contract about it. You can draft a contract that says you have to work for free and wash the feet of the principal twice weekly, it doesn't make it enforceable.

The more private schools there are, the fewer public school teaching positions there will be. When you become an employer to the general public, you shouldn't be able to fire someone when they become pregnant, and if health insurance is part of their compensation, contraceptive coverage should be mandatory.
 
2014-02-05 05:49:56 PM  
Well, if she has a fiance who will vouch for her claim that the kid is the Almighty's, I might accept it.
 
2014-02-05 06:35:45 PM  

Magorn: JPut on his Extreme Lawyer hat: Unless the school is taking active steps to verify that men are not having sex as well (say 24-hour video surveillance or  chastity belts that work like ankle monitors) It seems that this particular morality clause  only affects women, and is, therefore a "facially neutral policy with a disparate impact on a protected class", and as such may be grounds for a Title VII -based lawsuit for employment discrimination


I went to a Catholic High School where the male band teacher fathered a child out of wedlock, and he got the boot. I'm not sure how the administration discovered his lovechild, but the student body was none too pleased about his dismissal, as he was arguably the most well-liked/popular teacher in school. Adminstration didn't give a f*ck though, rules is rules.
 
2014-02-05 07:00:19 PM  

That Guy Jeff: Who cares? She chose to be a teacher, she chose to accept "whatever job she could get", she chose to work at a religious place. The religious nut school  said "Hey, we will buy your services, but only if you follow these rules" and she said "OK". She broke the rules, they stopped buying her services. That's it.  I can't even comprehend in what universe "her being happy to take whatever job she could get" means she is somehow immune to the rules of the place buying her services.


You're absolutely right.  You can't comprehend.
 
2014-02-05 07:04:23 PM  

Magorn: scottydoesntknow: Weaver95: Well, it is their club house so they get to set the rules. Is it kinda bullshiat? Maybe. But thems the rules if your boss is a religious organization. Firing a pregnant woman isn't a very kind thing to do tho. It's rather mean spirited IMHO.

Yea, but she's a whore, and Jesus didn't hang out with no whores.

Wait, what? He did? Well shiat!

As I said to someone saying "Well she signed a contract, so ..."

because one of the core message of Christianity is that rigid adherence to the letter of any law should always trump compassion or forgiveness


Eh..  As a teacher, shes a role model.   Especially in a religious private school.
 
2014-02-05 07:06:56 PM  

tulax: The bigger issue to me is the idea that she has "stopped" being Catholic simply because she had sex out of wedlock.  Seems to me that all she's done is sin.  And if she's sinned, then she should go to confession and seek forgiveness.  Just because you've sinned doesn't get you excommunicated.  That's why I don't understand the firing.


I'm not a Catholic, and the story is light on details, but presumably the issue isn't so much the original sin itself as much as that she won't repent.  My understanding is you're forgiven when you repent, but if you keep doing the sin, or refuse to stop, or don't repent, then it's another matter entirely.  From the school's point of view, either continuing the same sin by "living in sin" with her boyfriend, or telling the school "shove off, I'm not talking about my pregnancy" when they asked would constitute a lack of repentance.
 
2014-02-05 07:28:14 PM  

Magorn: Weaver95: Well, it is their club house so they get to set the rules. Is it kinda bullshiat? Maybe. But thems the rules if your boss is a religious organization. Firing a pregnant woman isn't a very kind thing to do tho. It's rather mean spirited IMHO.

To say nothing of the fact that a Religion which claims to be pro-life, and operates "Crisis Pregnancy Centers" designed to help support women who chose to have a child when it is a financial hardship for them to do so, is being, at best counter-productive when they destroy the livelihood of a mother to be.  and perhaps sending a message to other people in her situation that they should abort a baby before the pregnancy is known to avoid a similar fate


But, you see, GAWD himself will send some "grace" (basically the catholic fairy dust) to these school officials to help fast-track them into heaven, because they are doing his work.

A perfect excuse for those devout bullies to show who's boss and to put uppity women in their place..

Religion poisons everything.
 
2014-02-05 09:08:50 PM  
Mary was married to Joseph.

Also, Jesus was not born homeless. Joseph and Mary had a home. They were forced by the King to go to Bethlehem to pay taxes.
If Jesus was alive right now he would drive a pickup - he was a carpenter, carpenters usually drive pickups, not a VW or Prius.
 
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2014-02-05 09:22:33 PM  
LargeCanine:

If Jesus was alive right now he would drive a pickup -

That had better be a Ford or I am submitting your name to be crucified, taken down, burned at the stake, then drawn and quartered.
 
2014-02-06 12:35:49 AM  

Misch: Egoy3k: It's illegal to fire an employee for getting knocked up, side stepping it with some code of conduct nonsense is bullshiat.

For most any employer, yes. However, a recent supreme court decision says otherwise. Religious organizations get to determine which of their positions are considered ecumenical.

The case was Hosanna-Tabor Evangelical Lutheran Church and School v. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission

They said that when fascism came to the US it would be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross.


If an employer sets out rules and regulations to be read and understood before the employer hires the potential employee, then it's legal.  The employee can back out or stick to what the requirements are. There's a reason why people suggest reading the fine print of any contracts.
 
2014-02-06 06:16:34 AM  
The Fifth Dentist:   She should claim " immaculate conception " and make the church/school prove that to be impossible

Well Played!
 
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