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2014-02-05 12:08:16 PM
Well, it is their club house so they get to set the rules. Is it kinda bullshiat? Maybe. But thems the rules if your boss is a religious organization. Firing a pregnant woman isn't a very kind thing to do tho. It's rather mean spirited IMHO.
 
2014-02-05 12:14:19 PM

Weaver95: Well, it is their club house so they get to set the rules. Is it kinda bullshiat? Maybe. But thems the rules if your boss is a religious organization. Firing a pregnant woman isn't a very kind thing to do tho. It's rather mean spirited IMHO.


Yea, but she's a whore, and Jesus didn't hang out with no whores.

Wait, what? He did? Well shiat!
 
2014-02-05 12:20:46 PM
Single mother? She was married, she just hadn't consummated the marriage yet. Which I guess could technically mean that her marriage wasn't official, making her "unwed," but that's a pretty fine hair to split. One could say that her husband was a cuckold, I suppose, but since she didn't technically have sex to conceive her child, that, too, is a difficult distinction to apply. The easiest accusation would be to say that her child is a bastard, but if it's the potential bastard status that makes this teacher unemployable, one would think the school would have to wait for her to have the child first. At least, if they wanted to be completely within the rules. Rules seem to be pretty important here, so I'd think they'd want that.

Of course, even the bastard issue is trumped by the virginity. So if this teacher wanted to keep her job, she could conceivably submit to a virginity exam, perhaps administered by the school headmaster. Virginity is important to them, so I'd imagine he's trained in the administration of said exam. If she proves to be a virgin, she should be allowed to keep her job. And I'd think that knowing one of their teachers was about to give birth to the second Messiah would be a real perk to the school, something they could use for future fundraisers and enrollment drives. You'd think they'd want to hold onto that.

On that note, there are, out there, speakers who offer their audience the opportunity to become born again virgins. That may have some potential application here as well, if for some reason this young woman couldn't pass the exam.
 
2014-02-05 12:20:56 PM

scottydoesntknow: Weaver95: Well, it is their club house so they get to set the rules. Is it kinda bullshiat? Maybe. But thems the rules if your boss is a religious organization. Firing a pregnant woman isn't a very kind thing to do tho. It's rather mean spirited IMHO.

Yea, but she's a whore, and Jesus didn't hang out with no whores.

Wait, what? He did? Well shiat!


As I said to someone saying "Well she signed a contract, so ..."

because one of the core message of Christianity is that rigid adherence to the letter of any law should always trump compassion or forgiveness
 
2014-02-05 12:22:35 PM
I'm pretty sure she wasn't a single mother.  Though if porn had existed back then, apparently she and Joseph could've starred in one of those "cuckold" videos.
 
2014-02-05 12:29:15 PM
This is a middle school, so my question is whether the father of the baby was expelled or at least suspended.
 
2014-02-05 12:31:10 PM

Weaver95: Well, it is their club house so they get to set the rules. Is it kinda bullshiat? Maybe. But thems the rules if your boss is a religious organization. Firing a pregnant woman isn't a very kind thing to do tho. It's rather mean spirited IMHO.


Pretty much all of this.
 
2014-02-05 12:32:49 PM
Virgin pregnancies are actually possible naturally, in rare circumstance, and with today's fertilization technology, is fairly simple (if somewhat expensive) to accomplish. I say the burden of proof is on the school is to prove she had sex.
 
2014-02-05 12:33:21 PM

Weaver95: It's rather mean spirited IMHO.


What do you expect.  It's not as if the central focus of their religion is a guy who preached about kindness.
 
2014-02-05 12:34:37 PM

nmrsnr: Virgin pregnancies are actually possible naturally, in rare circumstance, and with today's fertilization technology, is fairly simple (if somewhat expensive) to accomplish. I say the burden of proof is on the school is to prove she had sex.


Isn't the church against artificial insemination? I could've sworn I read somewhere that they were.
 
2014-02-05 12:35:42 PM

Weaver95: Well, it is their club house so they get to set the rules. Is it kinda bullshiat? Maybe. But thems the rules if your boss is a religious organization. Firing a pregnant woman isn't a very kind thing to do tho. It's rather mean spirited IMHO.


To say nothing of the fact that a Religion which claims to be pro-life, and operates "Crisis Pregnancy Centers" designed to help support women who chose to have a child when it is a financial hardship for them to do so, is being, at best counter-productive when they destroy the livelihood of a mother to be.  and perhaps sending a message to other people in her situation that they should abort a baby before the pregnancy is known to avoid a similar fate
 
2014-02-05 12:42:05 PM

scottydoesntknow: Isn't the church against artificial insemination? I could've sworn I read somewhere that they were.


Yes and no.

They're not against artificial insemination per se but because it requires a large number of eggs to be fertilized, but only one actually growing to viability, they consider the destruction of the unimplanted zygotes to be a form of abortion.
 
2014-02-05 12:52:33 PM
She should've had an abortion.

Problem averted...
 
2014-02-05 12:55:42 PM

scottydoesntknow: nmrsnr: Virgin pregnancies are actually possible naturally, in rare circumstance, and with today's fertilization technology, is fairly simple (if somewhat expensive) to accomplish. I say the burden of proof is on the school is to prove she had sex.

Isn't the church against artificial insemination? I could've sworn I read somewhere that they were.


Yup.  Mostly because most IVF procedures involve creating multiple embryos with the intent of bringing just one to term,because abortion,  or using a third parties sperm an egg, because adultery.  However double checking my answer with the googles I discover they t apparently they aren't even happy with external fertilization of a woman's egg with her band's sperm because "the dignity of life"?  which I think is code for "because it's icky"
 
2014-02-05 01:00:45 PM
You have to give props to Mary. She stuck to her "But I'm a VIRGIN" story, and 2000 years later, people are still buying it.
 
2014-02-05 01:08:14 PM
Meh, she knew the rules.
 
2014-02-05 01:08:36 PM

Pocket Ninja: Single mother? She was married, she just hadn't consummated the marriage yet. Which I guess could technically mean that her marriage wasn't official, making her "unwed," but that's a pretty fine hair to split. One could say that her husband was a cuckold, I suppose,


Maybe she was his beard.
 
2014-02-05 01:09:06 PM
Part of the job is living the rules. Luckily, teacher jobs are available everywhere lately.
 
2014-02-05 01:09:12 PM
AN
 
2014-02-05 01:10:18 PM
so, she could keep her job if she has an abortion?
 
2014-02-05 01:10:31 PM
She would have kept her job if she had been caught molesting a child.
 
2014-02-05 01:10:59 PM
Maybe the shop teacher assisted with a divine conception?
 
2014-02-05 01:11:16 PM
Can she come back if she has an abortion?
 
2014-02-05 01:11:36 PM
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2014-02-05 01:11:51 PM

Hyjamon: so, she could keep her job if she has an abortion?


Curse you.
 
2014-02-05 01:11:52 PM
Because having an unemployed single mother is what's best for the child.
 
2014-02-05 01:11:54 PM
I need pics to know if I should feel sorry for her.


But seriously, it's shiatty thing, but it is a private organization.  She'll just have to go get a better paying public school job.
 
2014-02-05 01:12:17 PM
What do you expect at a school named Butt Central?
 
2014-02-05 01:12:36 PM
hypocrites

they have all these pictures of some long haired guy wearing a dress.
but the one time you go to church in drag.....
 
2014-02-05 01:13:15 PM
Cue Superpope?
 
2014-02-05 01:14:16 PM
So much for charity, forgiveness, and love that was taught by Christ. I guess when you're in charge, you just get to make the rules as you go. Selective rule following? I guess buggering small boys is ok, as well as hoarding cash without paying taxes on it, as the rest of us do. Being an employee of the Catholic Church is like belonging to a HMO. True, its your house, but they can tell you how to live in it, what it looks like, what you are allowed to do and not do in and around it, and...you have to PAY them to be your overlords. If you're stupid enough to sign a contract with an employer that tells you how to live your private life, well, i guess you just learned a valuable lesson. Why someone would do this, with all the laws we have now that take away any sense of freedom that was present in the past, and sign a document that takes away MORE freedoms is beyond me.

/hope you learned your lesson, and get a job that is not a life control by an outdated, money and power hungry joke.
 
2014-02-05 01:15:16 PM

GDubDub: Cue Superpope?


That would be so great.
 
2014-02-05 01:15:30 PM
Consummation as necessary aspect of making the marriage official originated with the Catholics.    The Jews in Mary's time (as well as today) consider the marriage official when the erusin and the nissuin have both taken place.  At that point the groom owns the bride.
 
2014-02-05 01:16:17 PM
Did anyone mention the possibility of an abortion?
 
2014-02-05 01:18:30 PM
She should have just molested some kids and simply been reprimanded and moved to a new school.
 
2014-02-05 01:18:45 PM

rocketpants: GDubDub: Cue Superpope?

That would be so great.


Thirdeded.
 
2014-02-05 01:18:49 PM
Maybe someone should text Super Pope and let him know what's going on. I bet he'd take care of it likity-split.
 
2014-02-05 01:19:27 PM

Pocket Ninja: Single mother? She was married, she just hadn't consummated the marriage yet. Which I guess could technically mean that her marriage wasn't official, making her "unwed," but that's a pretty fine hair to split. One could say that her husband was a cuckold, I suppose, but since she didn't technically have sex to conceive her child, that, too, is a difficult distinction to apply. The easiest accusation would be to say that her child is a bastard, but if it's the potential bastard status that makes this teacher unemployable, one would think the school would have to wait for her to have the child first. At least, if they wanted to be completely within the rules. Rules seem to be pretty important here, so I'd think they'd want that.

Of course, even the bastard issue is trumped by the virginity. So if this teacher wanted to keep her job, she could conceivably submit to a virginity exam, perhaps administered by the school headmaster. Virginity is important to them, so I'd imagine he's trained in the administration of said exam. If she proves to be a virgin, she should be allowed to keep her job. And I'd think that knowing one of their teachers was about to give birth to the second Messiah would be a real perk to the school, something they could use for future fundraisers and enrollment drives. You'd think they'd want to hold onto that.

On that note, there are, out there, speakers who offer their audience the opportunity to become born again virgins. That may have some potential application here as well, if for some reason this young woman couldn't pass the exam.


Well done sir, I tip my hat to you.
 
2014-02-05 01:19:41 PM

nmrsnr: Virgin pregnancies are actually possible naturally


What is this I don't even
 
2014-02-05 01:19:58 PM

Shrugging Atlas: She should have just molested some kids and simply been reprimanded and moved to a new school.


only acceptable if the molester has a penis.

icky vaginas that molest will not be tolerated.
 
2014-02-05 01:21:40 PM

scottydoesntknow: nmrsnr: Virgin pregnancies are actually possible naturally, in rare circumstance, and with today's fertilization technology, is fairly simple (if somewhat expensive) to accomplish. I say the burden of proof is on the school is to prove she had sex.

Isn't the church against artificial insemination? I could've sworn I read somewhere that they were.


/they are against anything but the woman on the bottom...with her whore mouth shut, a vehicle to dump her husbands cum into. So yes, they are pretty much against artificial insemination, or anything else that would involve the woman having any fun before marriage, including the horrible sinful, and fantastially erotic female masturbation. That would be enjoyable to the woman...and..we cant have that without the man present. Then it's ok. So, stop touching yourself while youre not married ladies, your hand will get stuck like that, furry palms, your eyes will cross, blah blah blah.

/you get the point.
 
2014-02-05 01:22:36 PM
She should claim " immaculate conception " and make the church/school prove that to be impossible
 
2014-02-05 01:23:53 PM

Bit'O'Gristle: So much for charity, forgiveness, and love that was taught by Christ.


How'd that work out for them vis-a-vis pedophiles?
 
2014-02-05 01:24:51 PM

Cyberluddite: if porn had existed back then, apparently she and Joseph could've starred in one of those "cuckold" videos.


Joseph was married, hadn't had sex for at least nine months, and was staying in a barn full of sheep. What were you saying about porn videos?
 
2014-02-05 01:25:21 PM
All catholic school teachers are well aware of the morality clause in their contracts before they sign it.

And probably nearly all teachers break that clause.  If their pastors find out, then the consequences are on them.
 
2014-02-05 01:26:19 PM

rnatalie: Consummation as necessary aspect of making the marriage official originated with the Catholics.    The Jews in Mary's time (as well as today) consider the marriage official when the erusin and the nissuin have both taken place.  At that point the groom owns the bride.

Erusin

: "betrothal", a lot like engagement these days. It involves giving "something of measurable value" to your intended (which she must "receive", so you can't just drop it on her lap), and saying "Now we're engaged."
Nissuin: "wedding"; the actual ceremony, complete with a contract (yeah, really) that's boilerplate at this point - he provides for her, she provides for him, how divorce happens, etc.

Used to be, these were separated by some months, like engagement and marriage in modern America. Now, they happen in quick sequence during the wedding ceremony.

TMYK

// and no, a groom doesn't "own" a bride after it's done
// maybe back in the day, but that's more social convention than chapter-and-verse
// for example, the wife gets total veto power over the couple's sex life - if she doesn't want it in the butt, it stays out of the butt
 
2014-02-05 01:26:32 PM
So is this a follow-up?
 
2014-02-05 01:26:59 PM
That's exactly what Jesus would do.
 
2014-02-05 01:27:14 PM
And there are no children of unwed mothers at this particular school, right?
 
2014-02-05 01:27:52 PM
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That was a right-pretty speech, sir. But I ask you, what is a contract? Webster's defines it as "an agreement under the law which is unbreakable." Which is unbreakable!
 
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