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(YouTube) Video Indian activist: What happens to "cloud" computing when it rains? Huh? Did you think of that, Google geniuses? (Skip to 2:08-2:46, although the whole interview is comedy gold.)   (youtube.com) divider line 84
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2014-02-05 01:27:06 PM  

peasandcarrots: You can't really recover from that kind of eggs-in-a-basket thing. Fifty years from now there will be corporate CEOs in the entertainment and media business who will mistrust cloud computing because of "how they got burned back in 2013 when I was an intern."

When it rains, it pours, I guess...


IT technologies are just a pendulum.

The first systems were "Cloud" computing. You had a big set of centralized servers and storage and everyone accessed them remotely through relatively dumb devices.

This we deemed "bad", so we all moved to smart endpoints with local storage and computing.
This we deemed "bad" so we all moved to dumber endpoints with remote storage computing.

Lather, rinse, repeat.

If "Cloud" crashes and burns, it'll be back under a new name.
 
2014-02-05 01:45:35 PM  

davynelson: me, I laugh at the Man's notion that cash should disappear and all money go electronic to avoid crime.

when the power goes out, where does all your money go?
buh bye, that's where.

/same with e-libraries


Where does the money go when the power's out? Power sources BECOME currency at that point.

As for e-libraries, nobody suggests replacing hard copies entirely; e-books are just handy for individual use so you don't have to haul a pile of books on vacation.
 
2014-02-05 01:47:59 PM  
Ah yes, another thread where my Cloud-to-butt plugin (thanks FARK!) caused massive hilarity.
 
2014-02-05 02:04:49 PM  
It's like watching a teabagger try to talk about the economy.
 
2014-02-05 02:06:20 PM  
omg its like talking to my 83 year old father and everyone else over 70 at thanksgiving dinner.
 
2014-02-05 02:16:25 PM  
I think I have talked to that guy for tech support before.

Me: My modem/router is bad. I need you to send me a new one.
Guy: Have you tried the unplugging for 30 seconds?
Me: It won't power up.
Guy: Unplug for 30 seconds and then restart.
M: it's not my computer, it's my modem, and unplugging it has the exact same effect as plugging it. It doesn't power on.
G: What lights do you have.
M: No lights! It won't power on!
G: Sir I am needing you to reset your modem.
M: ....Fine, I reset it. No lights, no work.
G: Do you have the DSL light?
M: NO lights!
G: Okay sir, I need to to go to Sprint website and-
M: Goddammit, I can't go to ANY website, that's why I am calling you. My modem is bad and I need a new one.
G: Sir, I cannot send you a new modem until we first find the problem. It could be your computer or it could be your telephone lines. We need to do troubleshooting.
M: Check this out. I had a bad modem before. Wouldn't make with the internet. You guys send me a new modem. And this one you sent doesn't work. It doesn't power up. It won't turn on.
G: We send you new one?
M: Yes.
G: It does not turn on?
M: Yes!
G: I am sorry sir, we do not cover power problems under warrenty. You will need to go to Radio Shack and buy a new plug.
M: The fark you mean you don't cover it?
G: We do not cover power problems.
M: So let me get this right. I have a bad modem, and you guys send me a replacement. The replacement you send me is bad out of the box, but that one you won't fix?
G: Yes sir.
M: Uh, let me talk to your supervisor.
G: I am supervisor sir.
M: Oh, I see, well in that case let me talk to the guy you work for.
G: Hold on sir.

/3 minutes later I had a replacement on the way.
 
2014-02-05 02:33:27 PM  
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2014-02-05 02:41:47 PM  
WTF is with the head bobbing from interviewer?
 
2014-02-05 03:00:04 PM  

balki1867: There needs to be some sort of debate set up between this guy and Senator Ted Stevens.

(For the uninitiated,  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6aFmib9NUoY )


That would truly be an impressive debate, since Ted died in a plane crash 3 1/2 years ago.
 
2014-02-05 03:21:30 PM  

Iplaybass: WTF is with the head bobbing from interviewer?


Outsourced was totally underrated.
 
2014-02-05 03:31:08 PM  
Eddie Adams from Torrance:

If "Cloud" crashes and burns, it'll be back under a new name.

I think fundamentally the problem with thinclient stuff is your reliant on your network for everything.  It's actually tricky for a small to mid-sized company to get multiple redundant internet connections as usually these business parks only have a few bundles heading in to them.

So you might well have 4 different ISP's gear on your site and one JCB later (or lightning hit, or chav with a molotov, etc.) ... all 4 are dead.
 
2014-02-05 03:35:30 PM  

Iplaybass: WTF is with the head bobbing from interviewer?


Indian head bobble.
 
2014-02-05 03:43:12 PM  
Yeah, well, it is pretty stupid calling it the "cloud."

Fark, we need a new name for this distributed storage/computing.
 
2014-02-05 03:46:59 PM  

tom baker's scarf: Headline: Indian Man Yells at Cloud


WINNER !!!
 
2014-02-05 03:50:56 PM  

fluffy2097: What happens to all your data on a cloud service should they go out of business, or are seized by the FBI or MPAA/RIAA?


People seem to be misunderstanding the concept of the "cloud" with big internet services.

The whole point behind the cloud is that your data is everywhere, accessible from anything, like the domain name lists that sites trade daily. Like a viral image, you can't get rid of something in the cloud. If a server goes down, there are backups upon backups on other servers, and they're all interchangeable. And all of that data still safe, secure, and privvy only to you. That is the true vision of the cloud.

Right now, as it stands, the cloud is just a theoretical framework. It doesn't truly exist in this state. What we have instead are big, monolithic entities offering "all eggs in one basket" services, which is the exact antithesis of what the Cloud is supposed to be. Because if they go down or they decide to cut you off or terminate business relations with you, you're farked. Because your data isn't anywhere else.

The Cloud is all about free people, free data and free information. We might not ever get to the radical concept of The Cloud, because corporations are carving out Internet niches like feudal fiefdoms and shutting each other out. That's technically not what the Cloud is.

So I try to interact with these companies and keep all my data local and offline as much as possible. Yes, even email (run my own mailserve). That's the only way to know someone won't arbitrarily take my stuff away from me.
 
2014-02-05 05:03:27 PM  
He does have a point about "cloud computing" except the rain is DoS
 
2014-02-05 05:29:07 PM  
Epic mail fail: Indian minister in charge of secure email policy uses Hotmail

http://rt.com/news/india-mail-security-nsa-900/
 
2014-02-05 06:05:52 PM  
study it out...study it out.
 
2014-02-05 06:20:26 PM  
I never store data in the cloud. I don't want my important information going all square-shaped.
 
2014-02-05 06:43:14 PM  

indarwinsshadow: Indian?

I thought that had been replaced by South Asian, and "Indian" was an old term that was now replaced by "First Nations".

At least here in Canada it has.


Really? Depends on the person, I guess. In my Canada, South Asian is used if you don't actually know where in South Asia the person in from. First Nations replaced the old "Native Indians" (and rightfully so), but Indians are from India. No one will assume otherwise or get mad if you use "Indian" to describe someone from India.

Great interview as far as comedic value goes. I agree with those who have said that he is expressing legitimate concerns, but his limited knowledge in the field derails his arguments and makes them ridiculous. Still enjoyed it quite a bit.
 
2014-02-05 07:35:41 PM  

peasandcarrots: For a while, my company had a big boner for the Cloud, which isn't such a surprise for a media company - the idea of offsite storage and distribution (and canning the IT know-it-alls) sounded just delicious to them, so they spent millions on contracts with a system that was big in the industry for Cloud-computing.


Our company was incredibly hot on cloud until we got our first bill from the provider after a major launch of a product.  All new cloud projects were killed off and we are now looking for additional data center space.  If you are efficient at running datacenters - going to a public cloud does not save you money or time.

/if someone actually did the cost-benefit analysis instead of buying into the marketing we would of known this a year ago
 
2014-02-05 07:48:07 PM  

Ishkur: The whole point behind the cloud is that your data is everywhere, accessible from anything, like the domain name lists that sites trade daily. Like a viral image, you can't get rid of something in the cloud. If a server goes down, there are backups upon backups on other servers, and they're all interchangeable. And all of that data still safe, secure, and privvy only to you. That is the true vision of the cloud.


Having a place to store your p0rn is not the vision of The Cloud (tm).  The vision is that the cloud allows companies to take advantage of economies of scale to offer ip based applications either privately or publicly quickly and cheaply (in theory).
 
2014-02-05 07:56:55 PM  
He didn't even talk about the whole problem of owning cats. They keep chasing away or killing all my mice.
 
2014-02-05 08:09:13 PM  
Is this guy serious or just retarded?
 
2014-02-05 08:36:51 PM  

Eddie Adams from Torrance: peasandcarrots: You can't really recover from that kind of eggs-in-a-basket thing. Fifty years from now there will be corporate CEOs in the entertainment and media business who will mistrust cloud computing because of "how they got burned back in 2013 when I was an intern."

When it rains, it pours, I guess...

IT technologies are just a pendulum.

The first systems were "Cloud" computing. You had a big set of centralized servers and storage and everyone accessed them remotely through relatively dumb devices.

This we deemed "bad", so we all moved to smart endpoints with local storage and computing.
This we deemed "bad" so we all moved to dumber endpoints with remote storage computing.

Lather, rinse, repeat.

If "Cloud" crashes and burns, it'll be back under a new name.


It would have to be a different name. I simplified the story, but the background is that these people got suckered by a buzzword.

To be fair, even I don't know what "cloud" computing is, exactly. I thought that something like, say, Netflix would be considered cloud computing - a data library hosted on a series of servers to which end-users subscribe for access, rather than on-site possession, ownership, and licensing of the data file - like a DVD. But I've seen others use "cloud" to mean "any offsite data storage," and others who use a very specific definition of data circulation to mean "cloud." My company fell for "cloud" as a marketing term, not a technical term, and those are the circumstances under which the affair ended.

That having been said, it's clear that if someone introduced the exact same system that shafted them this time, and called it "Schnitzelpuss," and all their competition was getting hooked on Schnitzelpuss, they'd pounce on it like it was a license to print money. Never underestimate the power of marketing to stupid CEO's.
 
2014-02-05 09:14:49 PM  

peasandcarrots: To be fair, even I don't know what "cloud" computing is, exactly.


That's the beauty. It's whatever the marketing guys decide it is.

I worked for a datacenter company a few years ago. They had an offering where you could lease VM's and storage volumes on their big EMC arrays.
When cloud became hot, they re-branded this service as their 'cloud'

Cloud is great for some apps, but despite what the cloud provider's sales guys say, it's actually NOT a panacea.
 
2014-02-05 10:31:33 PM  

peasandcarrots: To be fair, even I don't know what "cloud" computing is,


Simple answer: servers

Those things that IBM used to say that would "rule the world"... then everyone had their own PC with local storage and was forgotten for a while..

And now, since bandwidth is capable of dealing with the majority of simple requests and file sizes, the big online repositories are popular again.

Some idiot called it the "cloud" to be all hip and cool.... and retards were amazed at how it sounded, wet themselves and so now every idiot and his dog believe in this mystical thing called "the cloud".

Try to explain that it's nothing more than big buildings with lots of hard drives and they won't believe you.
 
2014-02-06 02:27:10 AM  
Mr. Gupta appears to be speaking to a bobble head, I've never seen someone that didn't have Parkinson's (like my Dad did) that shook that much.
 
2014-02-06 03:53:37 AM  

russkie247: Is this guy serious or just retarded?


why not both?

/seriously retarded
 
2014-02-06 07:02:35 AM  
"cloudy with a chance of music?  I don't think so"
cdn.pitchfork.com
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j68kwM9iBJg
 
2014-02-06 01:08:29 PM  
Dot, not feather.
 
2014-02-06 05:40:43 PM  

indarwinsshadow: Indian?

I thought that had been replaced by South Asian, and "Indian" was an old term that was now replaced by "First Nations".

At least here in Canada it has.


Not in my part of Canada. People from India are Indian. Is "Indian" a dirty word? Are south Asians from Afghanistan, Bangladesh, Bhutan, Iran, Maldives, Nepal, Pakistan, and Sri Lanka also somehow politically incorrect if they get specific about where they're from, or does it just apply to India?
 
2014-02-06 05:49:17 PM  
He's still more credible than Deepak Chopra.
 
2014-02-06 08:07:02 PM  
Stopped watching at "...that room is concealed for an hour after the meeting." Bye bye, freak.
 
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