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2014-02-05 09:23:14 AM  
Awesome. I have spent a cumulative 2-3 years in India and I can tell you the place has a high quotient of real characters.
 
2014-02-05 09:32:40 AM  
Which kind of Indian? Red dot or whoo-whoo?
 
2014-02-05 09:34:47 AM  

flucto: Awesome. I have spent a cumulative cumulus 2-3 years in India and I can tell you the place has a high quotient of real characters.


FTFY
 
2014-02-05 09:40:54 AM  
His point is valid. And during this next snowstorm I suspect we'll see a complete shutdown of the internet. THAT'S what you get for storing so much data in the clouds.
 
2014-02-05 09:41:49 AM  
not sure if serious or trying to be funny and failing.
 
2014-02-05 09:43:18 AM  
It's the same thing that happens if one of the innertubes gets a flat.
 
2014-02-05 09:43:39 AM  
Wow, an Indian Alex Jones.
 
2014-02-05 09:49:03 AM  
this has to be fake
 
2014-02-05 09:49:58 AM  
I think he's trying to be funny, and make fun of how paranoid America is these days?

I think?

/hard for verbal humor to cross language barriers intact
 
2014-02-05 09:54:30 AM  
Please do the needful
 
2014-02-05 10:01:49 AM  

Richard C Stanford: Which kind of Indian? Red dot or whoo-whoo?


Call center, not casino.
 
2014-02-05 10:02:33 AM  
God, I hope the continent doesn't capsize and sink.
 
2014-02-05 10:05:55 AM  
Headline: Indian Man Yells at Cloud
 
2014-02-05 10:09:03 AM  

Hunchentoot: I think he's trying to be funny, and make fun of how paranoid America is these days?

I think?

/hard for verbal humor to cross language barriers intact


I know it seems that way but if you could hear the kind of conspiracy theories I hear on the sub-continent you wouldn't think it was humor.
 
2014-02-05 10:15:37 AM  
There needs to be some sort of debate set up between this guy and Senator Ted Stevens.

(For the uninitiated,  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6aFmib9NUoY )
 
2014-02-05 10:17:59 AM  
I like how this guy has the beginnings of a point with the cell phone thing, but has no idea what a SIM card is. But he's gonna farking tell you why your old cell phone could still have your data on it when you throw it way, just nowhere NEAR the right place for that data to be living(TL,DR people he thinks the data is all "transferred" to the battery) "from the SIM card".
 
2014-02-05 10:23:21 AM  
If you keep it metaphorical, it's a good question, ones we've already seen played out.

What happens to all your data on a cloud service should they go out of business, or are seized by the FBI or MPAA/RIAA?

What recompense do you have should your cloud service provider store all their data on RAID0, and didn't do backups?

What happens if a virus infiltrates their system and corrupts your data.

Password/personal information breaches.

All good questions. Asked by a person who doesn't have the language to articulate them.
 
2014-02-05 10:30:15 AM  
So....Basically Indian journalists do their jobs as well as their American counterparts? Nod at whatever BS someone is spouting?
 
2014-02-05 10:30:16 AM  
Are we out-sourcing our bat-shiat crazy, as well?
 
2014-02-05 10:31:15 AM  
Indian?

I thought that had been replaced by South Asian, and "Indian" was an old term that was now replaced by "First Nations".

At least here in Canada it has.
 
2014-02-05 10:32:26 AM  

give me doughnuts: Are we out-sourcing our bat-shiat crazy, as well?


Please to be doing the needful, yes?
 
2014-02-05 10:32:34 AM  

fluffy2097: If you keep it metaphorical, it's a good question, ones we've already seen played out.

What happens to all your data on a cloud service should they go out of business, or are seized by the FBI or MPAA/RIAA?

What recompense do you have should your cloud service provider store all their data on RAID0, and didn't do backups?

What happens if a virus infiltrates their system and corrupts your data.

Password/personal information breaches.

All good questions. Asked by a person who doesn't have the language to articulate them.


You store all your data in one place, it's your fault, not your provider.  I think every single EULA I've ever read for any service or software says the provider is not responsible for data loss.

In fact, all your examples are dangers present in any industry, not just cloud providers.  s/cloud service/bank/g  That is the risk of doing business.

Caveat emptor.  Buyer beware.
 
2014-02-05 10:39:18 AM  

child_god: You store all your data in one place, it's your fault, not your provider.  I think every single EULA I've ever read for any service or software says the provider is not responsible for data loss.


Steam. Origin. come to mind as obvious services that will fark you if they vanish one day.

Photoshop is now online only too isn't it? And MS Office is now a rental online dealie?

Oh, and all your iphone apps and android apps.

What about your Digital music collections which are really just licences? Or movies?
 
2014-02-05 10:48:46 AM  
What if the rain was on your wedding day?

www.meredithbrooks.com
 
2014-02-05 10:51:01 AM  

fluffy2097: child_god: You store all your data in one place, it's your fault, not your provider.  I think every single EULA I've ever read for any service or software says the provider is not responsible for data loss.

Steam. Origin. come to mind as obvious services that will fark you if they vanish one day.

Photoshop is now online only too isn't it? And MS Office is now a rental online dealie?

Oh, and all your iphone apps and android apps.

What about your Digital music collections which are really just licences? Or movies?


Why would you be farked if Steam shut down? My data is stored locally and I don't need to be online to play. I've even copied local files from one machine/HDD to another to avoid having to redownload something.

The only thing that will change if Steam disappeared tomorrow (which is unlikely since they seem to be doing great business) is that I wouldn't be able to get new games from them and my friends list wouldn't work.
 
2014-02-05 10:51:48 AM  
Recording conversations stored in the air? Somebody fell asleep watching Fringe, I think....

img2u.info

As for his Cloud arguments, reminds me of all the Steam haters.
 
2014-02-05 10:54:10 AM  
It still amuses me that India outsources their Visa services to a US company... I wanted so badly to call their tech support services just to hear some guy with a southern drawl say "Hi... This here is Ramesh... How may I help you?"
 
2014-02-05 10:58:59 AM  

mongbiohazard: fluffy2097: child_god: You store all your data in one place, it's your fault, not your provider.  I think every single EULA I've ever read for any service or software says the provider is not responsible for data loss.

Steam. Origin. come to mind as obvious services that will fark you if they vanish one day.

Photoshop is now online only too isn't it? And MS Office is now a rental online dealie?

Oh, and all your iphone apps and android apps.

What about your Digital music collections which are really just licences? Or movies?

Why would you be farked if Steam shut down? My data is stored locally and I don't need to be online to play. I've even copied local files from one machine/HDD to another to avoid having to redownload something.

The only thing that will change if Steam disappeared tomorrow (which is unlikely since they seem to be doing great business) is that I wouldn't be able to get new games from them and my friends list wouldn't work.


Yeah, the argument is even less compelling considering Gabe has said, numerous times, they'd find a way to make things right with their customers. The best example of this is probably Games For Windows Live, which is shutting down... and most, if not all, games using that DRM will switch over to Steamworks before it becomes an issue.

All Cloud Services demand a bit of "trust" - providers have to earn it and bank it, or their service is worthless. Valve, EA, and Microsoft are all juggernauts that are not likely to be gone tomorrow with all of your Cloud "stuff" - there will be time and means to transition. EA has a bit less trust, though... thanks to their desire to switch off servers on multiplayer games long before they should, but that's a different issue, really. You'll still have the game in your Origin library - you just won't be able to play with others online. EA also found out how important trust was to consumers with Sim City (and it's removing the always-on DRM disguised as offloaded AI)
 
2014-02-05 11:09:55 AM  
I never realized how much we rely on idioms...
www.slate.com
 
2014-02-05 11:11:49 AM  
Is there a chance the 'net could bend?
 
2014-02-05 11:21:15 AM  

Fano: Is there a chance the 'net could bend?


Not on your life, my Hindu friend...
 
2014-02-05 11:31:15 AM  

indarwinsshadow: Indian?

I thought that had been replaced by South Asian, and "Indian" was an old term that was now replaced by "First Nations".

At least here in Canada it has.


As far as i'm aware, it's still ok to call someone from India an Indian.  Being all, you know, accurate and all.

/most of my first nations friends don't object to the word indian to describe them either, since it just serves as a reminder that columbus was lost
 
2014-02-05 11:46:49 AM  

unyon: As far as i'm aware, it's still ok to call someone from India an Indian. Being all, you know, accurate and all.


Call them Indian if you know for a fact they are from the country of India.  But if there's a fair chance that even if they look Indian, they could be from Pakistan, or Bangladesh, or Nepal, or even Bhutan, or maybe they live in India but are ethnically Bangladesh and their family migrated during the split in '47, etc. etc., say South Asian.
 
2014-02-05 11:49:12 AM  
I

RobotSpider: I never realized how much we rely on idioms...
[www.slate.com image 568x346]


It always comes back to Archer.

The new coked up Pam, is hot.
 
2014-02-05 11:59:46 AM  
Wow.

Just.....

Wow.
 
2014-02-05 12:00:29 PM  

unitednihilists: IRobotSpider: I never realized how much we rely on idioms...
[www.slate.com image 568x346]

It always comes back to Archer.

The new coked up Pam, is hot.


Said the same thing about my wife 15 years ago when we met.
 
2014-02-05 12:03:50 PM  

Nuuu: unyon: As far as i'm aware, it's still ok to call someone from India an Indian. Being all, you know, accurate and all.

Call them Indian if you know for a fact they are from the country of India.  But if there's a fair chance that even if they look Indian, they could be from Pakistan, or Bangladesh, or Nepal, or even Bhutan, or maybe they live in India but are ethnically Bangladesh and their family migrated during the split in '47, etc. etc., say South Asian.


You don't want to ever accuse them of being a paki
 
2014-02-05 12:10:46 PM  

LesserEvil: mongbiohazard: fluffy2097: child_god: You store all your data in one place, it's your fault, not your provider.  I think every single EULA I've ever read for any service or software says the provider is not responsible for data loss.

Steam. Origin. come to mind as obvious services that will fark you if they vanish one day.

Photoshop is now online only too isn't it? And MS Office is now a rental online dealie?

Oh, and all your iphone apps and android apps.

What about your Digital music collections which are really just licences? Or movies?

Why would you be farked if Steam shut down? My data is stored locally and I don't need to be online to play. I've even copied local files from one machine/HDD to another to avoid having to redownload something.

The only thing that will change if Steam disappeared tomorrow (which is unlikely since they seem to be doing great business) is that I wouldn't be able to get new games from them and my friends list wouldn't work.

Yeah, the argument is even less compelling considering Gabe has said, numerous times, they'd find a way to make things right with their customers. The best example of this is probably Games For Windows Live, which is shutting down... and most, if not all, games using that DRM will switch over to Steamworks before it becomes an issue.

All Cloud Services demand a bit of "trust" - providers have to earn it and bank it, or their service is worthless. Valve, EA, and Microsoft are all juggernauts that are not likely to be gone tomorrow with all of your Cloud "stuff" - there will be time and means to transition. EA has a bit less trust, though... thanks to their desire to switch off servers on multiplayer games long before they should, but that's a different issue, really. You'll still have the game in your Origin library - you just won't be able to play with others online. EA also found out how important trust was to consumers with Sim City (and it's removing the always-on DRM disguised as offloaded AI)


though steam has outright yanked a game from player libraries without warning or recompense, simply because the publisher wanted to shutter the online content for said game.
 
2014-02-05 12:18:15 PM  

MelGoesOnTour: His point is valid. And during this next snowstorm I suspect we'll see a complete shutdown of the internet. THAT'S what you get for storing so much data in the clouds.


But how many innocent people will be arrested?

You would think wearing a tinfoil hat that size would be very uncomfortable in Indian considering the climate. But anyway I think the Tea Party just found the president of their India chapter.
 
2014-02-05 12:20:01 PM  

Nuuu: unyon: As far as i'm aware, it's still ok to call someone from India an Indian. Being all, you know, accurate and all.

Call them Indian if you know for a fact they are from the country of India.  But if there's a fair chance that even if they look Indian, they could be from Pakistan, or Bangladesh, or Nepal, or even Bhutan, or maybe they live in India but are ethnically Bangladesh and their family migrated during the split in '47, etc. etc., say South Asian.


If you know so little about them, what situation are you in where you would actually need a term to describe the rough geographical area of their genealogical origins? Would you introduce someone you barely know as "This is Tim, he is Eurasian", or "This is Sally she is from the Americas"?
 
2014-02-05 12:28:40 PM  
encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com
 
2014-02-05 12:29:28 PM  
me, I laugh at the Man's notion that cash should disappear and all money go electronic to avoid crime.

when the power goes out, where does all your money go?
buh bye, that's where.


/same with e-libraries
 
2014-02-05 12:30:04 PM  
I can't believe that is an accurate translation, or this is some "Onion" type show.
 
2014-02-05 12:34:08 PM  

fluffy2097: If you keep it metaphorical, it's a good question, ones we've already seen played out.


Indeed and I'm afraid it'll continue to play out over and over again as people fall for "To The Cloud: it can do EVERYTHING!" just like they fell for "Web2.0: It'll make you an Internet Hero!" in their droves.

I'm not saying the cloud doesn't have its uses, I use Dropbox for shunting files between my machines and syncing save games and sure, if I needed more MIPS right the hell now then it's brilliant.  But it isn't the panacea to all that ails your companies IT infrastructure.

All it takes to knock a data centre off-line is two idiots with an incorrect pipe map, JCB's at just the right locations and a faulty cutout.  Ask IBM, happened to them and USF2 in 07.  The cutout kept flipping between the battery packs (ohh this one is 99% flip, ohhh it's 98% and THIS one is 99% flip, etc.) and thus the generators never kicked in *poof* dead. 

/Suggested Johnson Controls cut the battery pack cables with a fire axe...
// Even the MD was for it just to get the bastard farm going again on the generators.
///Middle management, not so much.  Indecisive morons.
 
2014-02-05 12:40:15 PM  

tom baker's scarf: Headline: Indian Man Yells at Cloud


img.fark.net
This came to mind
 
2014-02-05 12:45:34 PM  
er... cloud computing is not that hard of a concept to understand. The information is stored in multiple clouds so that if one is corrupted like he is saying, then there are copies stored in other clouds. And yes, we are talking about actual clouds of evaporated water which hover like billowy pillows above the earth before collapsing and pouring data all over the place, which you can't legally pick-up. That's called piracy
 
2014-02-05 12:49:59 PM  

Generation_D: Please do the needful


Please advice
 
2014-02-05 01:04:11 PM  
Are these two the Indian version of Bird & Fortune or Clarke & Dawe?
Because that was some funny shiat. They should do more sketches.
 
2014-02-05 01:05:20 PM  

Vaneshi: fluffy2097: If you keep it metaphorical, it's a good question, ones we've already seen played out.

Indeed and I'm afraid it'll continue to play out over and over again as people fall for "To The Cloud: it can do EVERYTHING!" just like they fell for "Web2.0: It'll make you an Internet Hero!" in their droves.

I'm not saying the cloud doesn't have its uses, I use Dropbox for shunting files between my machines and syncing save games and sure, if I needed more MIPS right the hell now then it's brilliant.  But it isn't the panacea to all that ails your companies IT infrastructure.

All it takes to knock a data centre off-line is two idiots with an incorrect pipe map, JCB's at just the right locations and a faulty cutout.  Ask IBM, happened to them and USF2 in 07.  The cutout kept flipping between the battery packs (ohh this one is 99% flip, ohhh it's 98% and THIS one is 99% flip, etc.) and thus the generators never kicked in *poof* dead. 

/Suggested Johnson Controls cut the battery pack cables with a fire axe...
// Even the MD was for it just to get the bastard farm going again on the generators.
///Middle management, not so much.  Indecisive morons.


For a while, my company had a big boner for the Cloud, which isn't such a surprise for a media company - the idea of offsite storage and distribution (and canning the IT know-it-alls) sounded just delicious to them, so they spent millions on contracts with a system that was big in the industry for Cloud-computing.

This worked right up until the exact second that the data center for our entire network went kersplat due to the stupidity of the vendor. For a few days, a company whose job it was to circulate information was unable to circulate information except via the onsite remains of its decrepit backup system.

And, as furious as the suits were at this (expensive) development, we weren't the only media company using this vendor. HUNDREDS of media companies used the same firm to handle their offsite data. So sure, our company went off the idea of cloud computing overnight - but this one vendor might just have ruined the whole idea of cloud computing for an entire INDUSTRY.

You can't really recover from that kind of eggs-in-a-basket thing. Fifty years from now there will be corporate CEOs in the entertainment and media business who will mistrust cloud computing because of "how they got burned back in 2013 when I was an intern."

When it rains, it pours, I guess...
 
2014-02-05 01:20:40 PM  
He seems way better than most of the offshore teams I have worked with, hard to save money if you need to retest all the work and then pay someone else to do it right.
 
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