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(International Business Times)   The head of the Mormon church is to appear before court on charges of fraud for basically making people believe in religion   (ibtimes.co.uk) divider line 23
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2014-02-05 11:26:03 AM
3 votes:
Diogenes:Difference being the police protect you from threats they don't deliberately create.

Now who's being naive, Kay.
2014-02-05 10:34:51 AM
3 votes:
This is stupid but at least I can now move forward with my lawsuits against the weather man, the history channel, and Tyler Perry.
2014-02-05 10:13:28 AM
3 votes:
I Believe; that the Lord, God, created the universe 
I Believe; that He sent His only Son to die for my sins 
And I Believe; that ancient Jews built boats and sailed to America 

I Believe; that God has a plan for all of us 
I Believe; that plan involves me getting my own planet 
And I Believe; that the current President of The Church, Thomas Modson, speaks directly to God 

I Believe; that Satan has a hold of you 
I Believe; that the Lord, God, has sent me here 
And I Believe; that in 1978 God changed his mind about black people! 
2014-02-05 04:33:59 PM
2 votes:

Ant: Pokey.Clyde: Oh look. Another religion bashing thread on Fark. How original.

Religion was asking for it


I don't bash all religions, just the false ones.
2014-02-05 12:04:58 PM
2 votes:

machodonkeywrestler: Get the fark off fark if you're just going to whine. It's getting tiring


Good thing Fark.com is run according to your personal tastes and political preferences. I'm sure the mods will have him cleaned up in no time.
2014-02-05 10:42:10 AM
2 votes:

Marcus Aurelius: If you want to give 10% of your income to a flim flam artist, you'd think we'd at least tax the flim flam artist.





Only 10%. Heck some flim-flam artists ask for more:

obeygiant.com
2014-02-05 10:17:05 AM
2 votes:
I didn't know the Anglican Church still held enough power to go after competitors like this.
2014-02-05 06:04:28 PM
1 votes:
Psycat: BTW, isn't it funny that "Mormon" and "Moroni" are both one letter away from "Moron"?  It's as if Joseph Smith was a snake-oil salesman (and pedophile) and this is an inside joke that showed his real contempt for the suckers who bought his bullshiat?

Nah, the real interesting bit is that Joseph Smith was a fan of the Captain Kidd myth, and where did Captain Kidd supposedly hide his treasure?  The Comoros Islands, in the city of Moroni.  It's just a coincidence that Joseph Smith later found the gold plates in the hill he later said was named Cummorah, given to him by the angel Moroni.  Just a coincidence, folks.  Nothing to see here, move along.
2014-02-05 04:47:34 PM
1 votes:

flucto: by all means, put on your sanctimonious panties and get them as tightly wadded as you like, but this goes nowhere.


If I owned sanctimonious panties I would wear them.

/currently in tighty whities with a partially torn waistband.
Ant
2014-02-05 01:41:13 PM
1 votes:

Pokey.Clyde: Oh look. Another religion bashing thread on Fark. How original.


Religion was asking for it
2014-02-05 01:39:18 PM
1 votes:

Egoy3k: If your only distinction between the LDS and scientologists is the age of their faith then you must understand that at some point all faiths were young.  They all went from one guy to worldwide success and they did it with the money and power that 'rubes' as you put it willingly gave to them.


It's not the age of the faith, but the scam that underlies it. Scientology was created by a guy who created the whole thing on a bet. And then realized that he could make a bit more at that, than writing pulp science fiction. Rastafari is a young movement, but it's a bit more than smoking weed and listening to Bob Marley and Macka B. The LDS, indeed has many willing participants, as do faith healers and a lot of snake oil merchants, but that doesn't exactly make them pillars of morality, or ethics. There are a LOT of odd cults out there. Odd spiritualists, who are looking to make a buck off faith. My old boss back in Farmington got hooked up with a Quaker offshoot, that had him doing missionary work, and casting off their worldly possessions into their commune, and it sort of fell apart when their leaders decided that they should hold their wives in common, or rather, he could "commune" with their wives, and the other menfolk should study on the glories of abstinence and chastity.  My ex-wife briefly got hooked into a group that was a "fusion of American Indian and Eastern philosophies" that meant she was brought into a circle with a Polish woman who claimed to be a Sioux shaman who did aura readings with a hand held electrode and it spat out some printouts, and who thought it was a cool idea to do a lot of spouse swapping to shore up her marriage after the kids went to college. My step-mother got hooked up with some tent revivalist Baptists back in the day, and Reverend Dale was working his way into getting her into his compound for some serious "religious education" just before my Dad got us to Germany to live on base. I've seen a fair number of scams in my day attached to faith. The one thing that they share, is that folks are looking for something to put their faith into. Yes, they do so willingly. And part of the scam is to give folks something to reach for, all the while reaching into their pockets, and often a bit more.

I know folks of faith, who I admire. I've got good friends who are ministers, a couple of priests, an ex-Jesuit who routinely whoops the tar out of me at chess, there are Buddhists of both Chinese, Tibetan, and Japanese, and even native sons from America who I have studied with, and practiced with. I know folks who have no seminary experience, and have great faith, who I admire, and even as laity who have deep understanding of their faiths, and the one thing that all these folks have in common? They don't push their faith, they are up front about their faith, and their teachings aren't in secret, behind closed doors, there aren't mystic rituals that exclude folks. That is the key for drawing in a lot of folks: secrets. Secret knowledge that isn't for everyone. To make folks feel special.

That's the secret to a good con. To make your rube feel like that they are special, that they are deserving for this extra attention, and that it's worth good money, American money even, to get that attention. Scientology is especially good at this, as are the Nichiren. A lot of Newage--yes, it rhymes with sewage--likewise has their hucksters who trade on folks who want to be special and deserving of the secrets of the Universe, and of course, only a few can afford such secrets. It's not the youth or age of the teachings that makes a scam and a con, it's the reaching for the wallet, deeply. Be that some Baptist faith healer, be that some Newage crystal weaver, be that some cult of UFO worshipers, or some cat who decided to flee to Utah because he couldn't make it in the East, and suckered some folks to thinking that he was the chosen prophet by an angel named Moron...
Ant
2014-02-05 01:28:13 PM
1 votes:

Tom_Slick: Here is the problem with starting a new religion based on artifacts you claim to have seen yourself. Eventually someone will demand to see these artifacts.


STOP PERSECUTING ME!!!!!
2014-02-05 11:37:27 AM
1 votes:

Kozaru: You can't even step foot in the local LDS temple until you release a financial statement to the church.

You can't set foot in an NFL stadium unless you've bought a ticket......


The NFL never threatened anyone with eternal damnation if they didn't show up to the games with a ticket in their hand.


The argument, and it's an interesting one theologically, is that you don't  have to go get temple-endowed and temple-sealed and all that.  If you die without doing that, someone will inevitably do it for you by proxy after you're dead and you can accept it then.

Which turns Pascal's wager on its head really.  "You mean, I can save my money, not go do stupid handshake crap, wear comfortable underwear, drink, and if you're right you've still got me covered?  Great! Have fun endowing me when I'm dead".
2014-02-05 11:33:45 AM
1 votes:
So is the head of the Mormon church actually going to show up in the UK on fraud charges? My guess is no.
2014-02-05 11:28:11 AM
1 votes:

DeArmondVI: Kozaru: rnatalie: And I Believe; that in 1978 God changed his mind about black people!

There seems to be a recent campaign by the Mormon church where they are addressing these "issues".  Basically they are now saying that Brigham Young was a racist dick (because everyone was a racist dick back then) and that the teachings on blacks were his personal views and not those of God or the church.

It's really convenient when you can, after the fact, pick and choose from the countless statements your prophets made  were their personal opinion and which ones where they were God's Personal Mouthpiece.  Joseph Smith tells people that Quakers live on the moon?  He was speaking as a man.  No coffee?  That's from God.  Brigham Young says that the punishment for interracial relationships is death on the spot?  His "opinion".  Every man should have a handful of wives?  God's idea (but for a limited time only).

The idea that Brigham Young was folly to the racism of his times, despite being a prophet with the literal ability to speak to God face to face, doesn't help the Mormon position. Were Young actually connected with the Divine perhaps he would have risen above  the moral failings of the 19th century regarding race. For that matter, couldn't the same deity that commanded him to marry over three dozen women have also told him to quit being a racist ass?


My point exactly. I guess when you are the God Whisperer you only get some of the divine plan.
2014-02-05 11:19:54 AM
1 votes:

Diogenes: bigdanc: Diogenes: van1ty: Diogenes: When the mob demands protection money from someone we call it racketeering.

When a church demands protection money from someone we call it religion.

When the government demands taxes to pay for police services, and arrests you if you don't pay them, it's called life.

Difference being the police protect you from threats they don't deliberately create.

Thats a stretch because youre asserting the church knows its beliefs on spirituality to be false

You can believe what you want to or feel you must believe.

I'm not a believer.  So requiring a tithe to me seems like a protection racket.  And LDS is particularly egregious because they really demand it.

You can't even step foot in the local LDS temple until you release a financial statement to the church.


You can't set foot in an NFL stadium unless you've bought a ticket......
2014-02-05 10:54:13 AM
1 votes:

Diogenes: When the mob demands protection money from someone we call it racketeering.

When a church demands protection money from someone we call it religion.


When the government demands protection money we call it taxes.
2014-02-05 10:47:27 AM
1 votes:

Kozaru: rnatalie: And I Believe; that in 1978 God changed his mind about black people!

There seems to be a recent campaign by the Mormon church where they are addressing these "issues".  Basically they are now saying that Brigham Young was a racist dick (because everyone was a racist dick back then) and that the teachings on blacks were his personal views and not those of God or the church.

It's really convenient when you can, after the fact, pick and choose from the countless statements your prophets made  were their personal opinion and which ones where they were God's Personal Mouthpiece.  Joseph Smith tells people that Quakers live on the moon?  He was speaking as a man.  No coffee?  That's from God.


The JWs are pretty good at that crap, too. Take their past prophecy dates, the ones when Jesus did not, in fact, show up. These are now explained as "gradual revelation", whatever the f*ck that's supposed to mean.

My mother-in-law buys into that crap. A couple of months back, she was all excited about a "new revelation" that had been announced at her Kingdom Hall.

The revelation was twofold. Ready?

1) Only a few (anonymous) people in the upper echelons of the JW hierarchy have the authority to interpret God's will.

2) This is a very great responsibility for them, because they will have to answer to God if they get anything wrong.

As divine revelations go, that one seems pretty lame and self-serving. But then, I'm not "walking in the Truth," so what do I know? (Hell, I'm not even afraid of Smurfs.)
2014-02-05 10:30:22 AM
1 votes:

rnatalie: And I Believe; that in 1978 God changed his mind about black people!


There seems to be a recent campaign by the Mormon church where they are addressing these "issues".  Basically they are now saying that Brigham Young was a racist dick (because everyone was a racist dick back then) and that the teachings on blacks were his personal views and not those of God or the church.

It's really convenient when you can, after the fact, pick and choose from the countless statements your prophets made  were their personal opinion and which ones where they were God's Personal Mouthpiece.  Joseph Smith tells people that Quakers live on the moon?  He was speaking as a man.  No coffee?  That's from God.  Brigham Young says that the punishment for interracial relationships is death on the spot?  His "opinion".  Every man should have a handful of wives?  God's idea (but for a limited time only).

When you closely look at Mormonism with its wacky secret handshakes and magic underwear, and it's highly improbable story of ancient Jews living in America with horses and steel (which nobody can find traces of now) and then turn that same critical lens onto more established and accepted religions you begin to see that they are all suspect.  It's just that, compared to the Mormon upstarts, the others have a 2000-year old veneer of respectability covering their blatant flaws.
2014-02-05 10:29:27 AM
1 votes:

redmid17: The head of the Mormon church is to appear before court on charges of fraud for basically making people believe in religionMormonism

FTFY. The two are different.


 If they can do this to Mormons they can do it to any religion.
2014-02-05 10:23:17 AM
1 votes:
Is this basically like the US, where anyone can sue anyone for anything?

All the major religions are founded on laughably untrue claims, but I don't think those can or should be settled in a civil or criminal trial.
2014-02-05 10:05:43 AM
1 votes:

Diogenes: When the mob demands protection money from someone we call it racketeering.

When a church demands protection money from someone we call it religion.


When the government demands taxes to pay for police services, and arrests you if you don't pay them, it's called life.
2014-02-05 10:02:45 AM
1 votes:
by all means, put on your sanctimonious panties and get them as tightly wadded as you like, but this goes nowhere.
 
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