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(C|Net)   The first ever Maker Faire hosted by the White House will happen later this year. President Obama will be on hand to let everyone know they didn't make that   (news.cnet.com ) divider line 199
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2014-02-05 01:00:54 PM  

Pitabred: brantgoose: Conservatives outraged to learn Obama is funding research into non-lethal weapons for use against American citizens"Marshmallow" cannon can be scaled up to launch potatoes

I've shattered a fence with a potato... not sure if it's really "non-lethal", or even significantly "less-than-lethal"


You're telling me. They're so calorie-dense that you can pack on an unhealthy amount of fat eating them.

/my work break room has 700-calorie bags of trail mix in the "healthy snacks" section
 
2014-02-05 01:01:41 PM  

DarkJohnson: Should it be a little concerning that the President, who owns killer drones, is in awe of a canon that fires marshmallows?

[cdn.theguardian.tv image 480x360]
"Son this is awesome, can we attach it to that octocopter?"


Well, he has a better grasp of technology than his predecessor:

www.dubyaspeak.com
 
2014-02-05 01:01:46 PM  

Z-clipped: someonelse:

What would you suggest re-naming Maker Faires so that people know they are attending that and not, say, an RV show?

They used to be called "craft fairs". Without the old-timey final 'e'.


The old-timey 'e' is the thing that bugs me, too. You're right, we already had a perfectly good name for them with "craft fair." We still have those in my neck of the woods. But I kind of assume (maybe wrongly) that unlike craft fairs, the stuff on display at maker faires isn't for sale, and if I go to one I won't be leaving with any crocheted snowflakes or a purse with a bird on it or a knitted head-thing that's not quite a hat and not quite a headband.
 
2014-02-05 01:04:28 PM  

Z-clipped: someonelse:

What would you suggest re-naming Maker Faires so that people know they are attending that and not, say, an RV show?

They used to be called "craft fairs". Without the old-timey final 'e'.


Craft fairs are typically much smaller events, and they are devoid of the electronics, explosives, and other things that make the Maker Faires so much fun.
 
2014-02-05 01:08:43 PM  

someonelse: Z-clipped: someonelse:

What would you suggest re-naming Maker Faires so that people know they are attending that and not, say, an RV show?

They used to be called "craft fairs". Without the old-timey final 'e'.

The old-timey 'e' is the thing that bugs me, too. You're right, we already had a perfectly good name for them with "craft fair." We still have those in my neck of the woods. But I kind of assume (maybe wrongly) that unlike craft fairs, the stuff on display at maker faires isn't for sale, and if I go to one I won't be leaving with any crocheted snowflakes or a purse with a bird on it or a knitted head-thing that's not quite a hat and not quite a headband.


I've been to the Maker Faire in San Mateo.  There's lots of stuff for sale, but they tend to be more sciencey things: Arduino kits, EL wire, specialized nozzles to make a Diet Coke and Mentos fountain obtain a higher altitude, etc.
 
2014-02-05 01:11:43 PM  

anfrind: Z-clipped: someonelse:

What would you suggest re-naming Maker Faires so that people know they are attending that and not, say, an RV show?

They used to be called "craft fairs". Without the old-timey final 'e'.

Craft fairs are typically much smaller events, and they are devoid of the electronics, explosives, and other things that make the Maker Faires so much fun.


They should be called "People Who Bought an Arduino and Managed to Wire it Together Based on Some Schematic They Found on the Internet or in Make Magazine and now Consider Themselves Equal to Nicola Tesla" Fairs. But I guess that doesn't roll off the tongue as nicely.
 
2014-02-05 01:12:36 PM  

CheetahOlivetti: Setting aside the political sniping for a moment: if you haven't been to a Maker Faire, you really should go to one of the big ones: San Mateo in May or NYC (Queens) in September.


This.

Bareefer Obonghit: I have to give credit where credit is due; that headline made me laugh.


And that.

d23: An entire thread based on a lie about a statement that simply said that we all built the roads together.

As usual, a banner day for Fark.


Forget it, Jake. It's Farkietown.

milkyshirt: d23: chimp_ninja: One might say that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together. If one wanted to say something horribly inflammatory, of course!

Well... the entire meme is another example how the GOP is intellectually weak and can only score points from an appeal to ignorance.

I dunno, I'm a filthy lib, but the meme cracks me up for some reason.


Exactly. If this is genuine conservative humor, it's the first one that actually made me laugh to myself (LTM?). But I suspect it's more of a liberal or moderate sarcastic response to the conservative meme. I say, "well played, subby."
 
2014-02-05 01:18:27 PM  

Gaseous Anomaly: snocone: Rapmaster2000: This reminds me of the time that Owl Snore pretended he invented the internet.  What a libuloser.

that "loser" has his own jet airplane
he's a millionare

If we all installed microwave ovens, and used them for water heating instead of stoves, that would save a ton of energy.


you'll get a blister on your thumb
 
2014-02-05 01:21:07 PM  

d23: An entire thread based on a lie about a statement that simply said that we all built the roads together.

As usual, a banner day for Fark.


The thing is, taxpayers also already paid for the roads.  And we keep paying to maintain them.

The comment by Fartbongo (which was a paraphrase of an the earlier one by Fauxcahontas) was about how everyone still owes the government more and more gratitude (i.e., money), all because had previously paid the government to build roads.

There was nothing in the road-building legislation that said that once the government built roads, that meant the government is owed a bottomless debt, forever.  That's just stupid.
 
2014-02-05 01:26:24 PM  

baconbeard: anfrind: Z-clipped: someonelse:

What would you suggest re-naming Maker Faires so that people know they are attending that and not, say, an RV show?

They used to be called "craft fairs". Without the old-timey final 'e'.

Craft fairs are typically much smaller events, and they are devoid of the electronics, explosives, and other things that make the Maker Faires so much fun.

They should be called "People Who Bought an Arduino and Managed to Wire it Together Based on Some Schematic They Found on the Internet or in Make Magazine and now Consider Themselves Equal to Nicola Tesla" Fairs. But I guess that doesn't roll off the tongue as nicely.


When you're at the beach, do you kick over kids' sand castles?
 
2014-02-05 01:28:10 PM  

Sooo much troll grey in this thread.

Most of them are lame, so I ain't gonna quote 'em.



home.comcast.net
 
2014-02-05 01:28:20 PM  

Phinn: d23: An entire thread based on a lie about a statement that simply said that we all built the roads together.

As usual, a banner day for Fark.

The thing is, taxpayers also already paid for the roads.  And we keep paying to maintain them.

The comment by Fartbongo (which was a paraphrase of an the earlier one by Fauxcahontas) was about how everyone still owes the government more and more gratitude (i.e., money), all because had previously paid the government to build roads.

There was nothing in the road-building legislation that said that once the government built roads, that meant the government is owed a bottomless debt, forever.  That's just stupid.


Please tell me you're just really bad at sarcasm/satire.
 
2014-02-05 01:29:31 PM  

CheetahOlivetti: baconbeard: anfrind: Z-clipped: someonelse:

What would you suggest re-naming Maker Faires so that people know they are attending that and not, say, an RV show?

They used to be called "craft fairs". Without the old-timey final 'e'.

Craft fairs are typically much smaller events, and they are devoid of the electronics, explosives, and other things that make the Maker Faires so much fun.

They should be called "People Who Bought an Arduino and Managed to Wire it Together Based on Some Schematic They Found on the Internet or in Make Magazine and now Consider Themselves Equal to Nicola Tesla" Fairs. But I guess that doesn't roll off the tongue as nicely.

When you're at the beach, do you kick over kids' sand castles?


When I'm at the beach, I kick over kids. I kick over kids.
 
2014-02-05 01:29:35 PM  
Came for the Fark404, leaving satisfied...

/I'll have Lagavulin, neat
 
2014-02-05 01:30:55 PM  

Phinn: d23: An entire thread based on a lie about a statement that simply said that we all built the roads together.

As usual, a banner day for Fark.

The thing is, taxpayers also already paid for the roads.  And we keep paying to maintain them.

The comment by Fartbongo (which was a paraphrase of an the earlier one by Fauxcahontas) was about how everyone still owes the government more and more gratitude (i.e., money), all because had previously paid the government to build roads.

There was nothing in the road-building legislation that said that once the government built roads, that meant the government is owed a bottomless debt, forever.  That's just stupid.


But he made is sound so good.
Mission Accomplished.

/no leadership, all salesmanship, not even a hat
 
2014-02-05 01:38:15 PM  

baconbeard: While I think that building stuff is cool, anyone who refers to himself as a "Maker" should be taken out back and shot with the Bullets of Anti-Pretentiousness.


given that it's what C3P0 calls his god, that fits.
 
2014-02-05 01:39:05 PM  

brantgoose: Conservatives outraged to learn Obama is funding research into non-lethal weapons for use against American citizens"Marshmallow" cannon can be scaled up to launch potatoes


I'm not sure potato cannons actually count as "non-lethal."
 
2014-02-05 01:41:27 PM  

snocone: Rapmaster2000: This reminds me of the time that Owl Snore pretended he invented the internet.  What a libuloser.

that "loser" has his own jet airplane
he's a millionare


does he have an earring and a mink coat? is that his own hair?
 
2014-02-05 01:52:00 PM  

baconbeard: CheetahOlivetti: baconbeard: anfrind: Z-clipped: someonelse:

What would you suggest re-naming Maker Faires so that people know they are attending that and not, say, an RV show?

They used to be called "craft fairs". Without the old-timey final 'e'.

Craft fairs are typically much smaller events, and they are devoid of the electronics, explosives, and other things that make the Maker Faires so much fun.

They should be called "People Who Bought an Arduino and Managed to Wire it Together Based on Some Schematic They Found on the Internet or in Make Magazine and now Consider Themselves Equal to Nicola Tesla" Fairs. But I guess that doesn't roll off the tongue as nicely.

When you're at the beach, do you kick over kids' sand castles?

When I'm at the beach, I kick over kids. I kick over kids.



i668.photobucket.com
 
2014-02-05 01:53:38 PM  

JohnnyC: Phinn: d23: An entire thread based on a lie about a statement that simply said that we all built the roads together.

As usual, a banner day for Fark.

The thing is, taxpayers also already paid for the roads.  And we keep paying to maintain them.

The comment by Fartbongo (which was a paraphrase of an the earlier one by Fauxcahontas) was about how everyone still owes the government more and more gratitude (i.e., money), all because had previously paid the government to build roads.

There was nothing in the road-building legislation that said that once the government built roads, that meant the government is owed a bottomless debt, forever.  That's just stupid.

Please tell me you're just really bad at sarcasm/satire.


Show me where it said that the enactment of the road-building program meant that government is forever entitled to a cut of whatever profitable use is made with those roads.

The gist of the "You didn't build that" comment was "You owe us because we built your roads."

The sensible response is, "We already paid for the roads. We don't owe more just because people use the paid-for roads to earn a living."

If Starbucks came to you and said that the caffeinated beverage it sold to you yesterday helped you earn a promotion, so that $2.15 you paid is now $4.15, you'd probably say that wasn't part of the original bargain, so fark off.
 
2014-02-05 01:54:05 PM  

anfrind: someonelse: Z-clipped: someonelse:

What would you suggest re-naming Maker Faires so that people know they are attending that and not, say, an RV show?

They used to be called "craft fairs". Without the old-timey final 'e'.

The old-timey 'e' is the thing that bugs me, too. You're right, we already had a perfectly good name for them with "craft fair." We still have those in my neck of the woods. But I kind of assume (maybe wrongly) that unlike craft fairs, the stuff on display at maker faires isn't for sale, and if I go to one I won't be leaving with any crocheted snowflakes or a purse with a bird on it or a knitted head-thing that's not quite a hat and not quite a headband.

I've been to the Maker Faire in San Mateo.  There's lots of stuff for sale, but they tend to be more sciencey things: Arduino kits, EL wire, specialized nozzles to make a Diet Coke and Mentos fountain obtain a higher altitude, etc.


Do people sell the stuff they've made, or is it mainly people selling stuff to make other stuff with?
 
2014-02-05 02:04:54 PM  

baconbeard: While I think that building stuff is cool, anyone who refers to himself as a "Maker" should be taken out back and shot with the Bullets of Anti-Pretentiousness.


I'd rather be shot with sapphire bullets.  Bullets of pure love.
 
2014-02-05 02:09:45 PM  

CheetahOlivetti: baconbeard: anfrind: Z-clipped: someonelse:

What would you suggest re-naming Maker Faires so that people know they are attending that and not, say, an RV show?

They used to be called "craft fairs". Without the old-timey final 'e'.

Craft fairs are typically much smaller events, and they are devoid of the electronics, explosives, and other things that make the Maker Faires so much fun.

They should be called "People Who Bought an Arduino and Managed to Wire it Together Based on Some Schematic They Found on the Internet or in Make Magazine and now Consider Themselves Equal to Nicola Tesla" Fairs. But I guess that doesn't roll off the tongue as nicely.

When you're at the beach, do you kick over kids' sand castles?


I stand with baconbeard.


We used to call it "a hobby" and millions of americans created, tinkered, invented and made cool shiat in their garages and workshops, and nobody needed to call it "a movement" or wrap a shiatload of phoney baloney politicophilosophical nonsense around it.


Do you know these people literally call each other "Makers"? They have Makers' Meetings to talk about how cool it is to make stuff while not actually making any stuff. Make Magazine and others blatantly encourage this crap to drive ads and sales. they are snowflakes to the absolute max and INCREDIBLY annoying about it.


It's at least as bad as the Tactical Retards Trend that mean every moron wants to owns an AR-15 and thinks he's Seal Team 1 in digital BDUs at Walmart. Reminds me of when a bunch of social rejects decided to start calling themselves "Brights" because they could blog and take online IQ tests.
 
2014-02-05 02:12:41 PM  

Phinn: The gist of the "You didn't build that" comment was "You owe us because we built your roads."


That's what you got out of the comment? No wonder you're so bitter.
 
2014-02-05 02:30:17 PM  

someonelse:

You think "artisan" is less pretentious than "maker"? I ... don't know how to process that.

It depends on how it's used.  If I say I make artisanal cheese or artisanal whiskey, it specifically means I make it by hand, using pre-industrial techniques.  If I have a business card that reads, "Z-Clipped- occupation: Artisan" then yes, that would be extremely pretentious.  I'll happily take "craftsman" as a catch-all term for anybody who "makes things" in small number, on their own. That includes pottery, trebuchets, printed circuits, and even small software projects directly related to creating stuff.

baconbeard: anfrind: Z-clipped: someonelse:

What would you suggest re-naming Maker Faires so that people know they are attending that and not, say, an RV show?

They used to be called "craft fairs". Without the old-timey final 'e'.

Craft fairs are typically much smaller events, and they are devoid of the electronics, explosives, and other things that make the Maker Faires so much fun.

They should be called "People Who Bought an Arduino and Managed to Wire it Together Based on Some Schematic They Found on the Internet or in Make Magazine and now Consider Themselves Equal to Nicola Tesla" Fairs. But I guess that doesn't roll off the tongue as nicely.


Yeah, this is what I was thinking.

Phinn: Show me where it said that the enactment of the road-building program meant that government is forever entitled to a cut of whatever profitable use is made with those roads.


Have you studied any of the history between now and say, ancient Rome?  I'm guessing not, or you wouldn't have typed something quite this incredibly stupid.
 
2014-02-05 02:31:20 PM  

Wellon Dowd: If they do it in August they can head over to Crownsville and hit the Renaissance Faire afterwards.


I used to live in Crownsville.  God, the traffic on RenFaire weekends!

However, if you flash your driver's license with a Crownsville address at the ticket booth, they'll let you in free by way of apology.

Best part? My license didn't expire for three years after I moved away, and I still got in free for those three years, since it still had my Crownsville address!

/Wasn't working a scam
//Just too lazy to renew it.
 
2014-02-05 02:35:59 PM  
Yo Maker, I'm really happy for you, Imma let you finish but our infrastructure is one of the best things made of all time...one of the best things made of all time!
 
2014-02-05 02:36:07 PM  

Deucednuisance: Wellon Dowd: If they do it in August they can head over to Crownsville and hit the Renaissance Faire afterwards.

I used to live in Crownsville.  God, the traffic on RenFaire weekends!

However, if you flash your driver's license with a Crownsville address at the ticket booth, they'll let you in free by way of apology.

Best part? My license didn't expire for three years after I moved away, and I still got in free for those three years, since it still had my Crownsville address!

/Wasn't working a scam
//Just too lazy to renew it.


Did you just publicly brag about getting into a RenFaire for free, as if it was some sort of perk?


Mind. Boggled.
 
2014-02-05 02:38:25 PM  

Phinn: JohnnyC: Phinn: d23: An entire thread based on a lie about a statement that simply said that we all built the roads together.

As usual, a banner day for Fark.

The thing is, taxpayers also already paid for the roads.  And we keep paying to maintain them.

The comment by Fartbongo (which was a paraphrase of an the earlier one by Fauxcahontas) was about how everyone still owes the government more and more gratitude (i.e., money), all because had previously paid the government to build roads.

There was nothing in the road-building legislation that said that once the government built roads, that meant the government is owed a bottomless debt, forever.  That's just stupid.

Please tell me you're just really bad at sarcasm/satire.

Show me where it said that the enactment of the road-building program meant that government is forever entitled to a cut of whatever profitable use is made with those roads.

The gist of the "You didn't build that" comment was "You owe us because we built your roads."

The sensible response is, "We already paid for the roads. We don't owe more just because people use the paid-for roads to earn a living."

If Starbucks came to you and said that the caffeinated beverage it sold to you yesterday helped you earn a promotion, so that $2.15 you paid is now $4.15, you'd probably say that wasn't part of the original bargain, so fark off.


And who is paying to maintain the roads do you think they are using tomorrow?

Who is regulating the markets to minimize the risk of being caught by fraudulent activities for that money you earned?

Who is running the legal system that will enforce ongoing and future contracts?

You aren't taxed on your historical income, you are taxed on your current income.

The statement was simply that you are some bulwark of rugged individualism, you are a part of society and you benefit from society.

Until you are dead and buried you will continue to benefit from society.
 
2014-02-05 02:40:45 PM  

baconbeard: Did you just publicly brag about getting into a RenFaire for free, as if it was some sort of perk?


Beats paying for it.  I don't mind walking about a sea of heaving bosoms on a pretty day.  What are you, some kind of fairy?

And I like to drink cider, too.
 
2014-02-05 02:42:42 PM  

willfullyobscure: We used to call it "a hobby" and millions of americans created, tinkered, invented and made cool shiat in their garages and workshops, and nobody needed to call it "a movement" or wrap a shiatload of phoney baloney politicophilosophical nonsense around it.


Pshh... my grandparents had hobbies.  How can I assert my youthful rugged individualism if I don't come up with a new term that makes me sound serious and important?  I mean, my dad just soldered simple circuits and wired gadgets to them...  I, on the other hand, consider the social implications of soldering simple circuits and wiring gadgets to them.
 
2014-02-05 02:46:39 PM  

Deucednuisance: baconbeard: Did you just publicly brag about getting into a RenFaire for free, as if it was some sort of perk?

Beats paying for it.  I don't mind walking about a sea of heaving bosoms on a pretty day.  What are you, some kind of fairy?

And I like to drink cider, too.


I like walking around Ren Faire on stilts:

images.tribe.net
 
2014-02-05 02:47:15 PM  
No corset-laden 'Women of Ren Faires' pics?

/FARK, I am disappoint.
 
2014-02-05 02:50:17 PM  

Deucednuisance: I used to live in Crownsville.  God, the traffic on RenFaire weekends!


They just posted on Facebook that they are considering moving to a different site, although they didn't say where.

i.imgur.com
 
2014-02-05 02:52:52 PM  

dinch: Phinn: The gist of the "You didn't build that" comment was "You owe us because we built your roads."

That's what you got out of the comment? No wonder you're so bitter.


He's part of the 94% of the 57%
 
2014-02-05 02:52:59 PM  

ObscureNameHere: No corset-laden 'Women of Ren Faires' pics?

/FARK, I am disappoint.


One's not enough?  Here:

stashbox.org
 
2014-02-05 02:54:19 PM  

Z-clipped: willfullyobscure: We used to call it "a hobby" and millions of americans created, tinkered, invented and made cool shiat in their garages and workshops, and nobody needed to call it "a movement" or wrap a shiatload of phoney baloney politicophilosophical nonsense around it.

Pshh... my grandparents had hobbies.  How can I assert my youthful rugged individualism if I don't come up with a new term that makes me sound serious and important?  I mean, my dad just soldered simple circuits and wired gadgets to them...  I, on the other hand, consider the social implications of soldering simple circuits and wiring gadgets to them.


encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com
 
2014-02-05 02:54:39 PM  

dinch: Phinn: The gist of the "You didn't build that" comment was "You owe us because we built your roads."

That's what you got out of the comment? No wonder you're so bitter.


The original comment was made by Fauxcahontas:

There is nobody in this country who got rich on his own - nobody. You built a factory out there? Good for you. But I want to be clear. You moved your goods to market on the roads the rest of us paid for. You hired workers the rest of us paid to educate. You were safe in your factory because of police-forces and fire-forces that the rest of us paid for. You didn't have to worry that marauding bands would come and seize everything at your factory - and hire someone to protect against this - because of the work the rest of us did. Now look, you built a factory and it turned into something terrific, or a great idea. God bless - keep a big hunk of it. But part of the underlying social contract is, you take a hunk of that and pay forward for the next kid who comes along.


Obama paraphrased the very same idea, and was speaking specifically in the context of taxation (i.e., what people OWE the government, for all the wonderful things it does):

There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me - because they want to give something back. They know they didn't - look, if you've been successful, you didn't get there on your own. You didn't get there on your own. I'm always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something - there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there. If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business - you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen.


The gist of these comments is, "Government made your wealth possible, so pay up, you stingy bastard."

It doesn't hold up to the slightest scrutiny.  The things that people paid for, via taxation, are ALREADY PAID FOR.  Only in a government mindset would you have this quasi-religious theme of, "There's no end to what we've done for you, so how dare you complain about paying more?!?"

No one gets rich on his own.  Yes, that's true.  People get rich either by sucking up to the State and getting fat on government contracts, or they earn it by efficiently providing valuable goods and services to willing customers.  That's it.  Those are the only two options on the menu.

Clearly, Option 1 is for assholes, and as much as the serfs complain about the graft and cronyism, it's not changing any time soon.

In Option 2 (earning it), wealth comes about because people pay for what they get, and don't rely on this attitude of endless guilt and debt and obligation.  Earned wealth comes about because of trade.  Productivity.  Savings.  Surpluses.  Exchange.  Quid pro quo.  Contracts.  Market alternatives -- if you don't like what I'm selling, you're free to find a better deal elsewhere.

In the world of commerce, you don't get to come back later and say, "You know, you still owe me!  So, I'm altering the deal.  Pray I don't alter it any further."
 
2014-02-05 03:03:51 PM  

Phinn: People get rich either by sucking up to the State and getting fat on government contracts, or they earn it by efficiently providing valuable goods and services to willing customers.  That's it.  Those are the only two options on the menu.


This is what republicans actually believe.
 
2014-02-05 03:06:54 PM  

Z-clipped: ObscureNameHere: No corset-laden 'Women of Ren Faires' pics?

/FARK, I am disappoint.

One's not enough?  Here:

[stashbox.org image 640x480]


This thread would be much better with just pics like this. Why does cleavage at a Ren Faire seem so much hotter than other cleavage?
 
2014-02-05 03:07:29 PM  
And just because this thread could use them, here are some more Ren Faire boobs:

kzoz.s3.amazonaws.com
cdn2.holytaco.com
25.media.tumblr.com
cdn2.holytaco.com
farm8.staticflickr.com
25.media.tumblr.com
i.imgur.com
 
2014-02-05 03:09:59 PM  

Phinn: No one gets rich on his own.  Yes, that's true.  People get rich either by sucking up to the State and getting fat on government contracts, or they earn it by efficiently providing valuable goods and services to willing customers.  That's it.  Those are the only two options on the menu.


Has inherited wealth been outlawed on your planet?
 
2014-02-05 03:10:14 PM  
This, ladies and gentlemen, is why God invented the internet: http://renfaireboobs.com/
 
2014-02-05 03:17:55 PM  

Z-clipped: Artisan


Wow, the comments here are amazingly clueless...
This didn't all start with "Maker Magazine", this all started with the hackerspace "movement" about a decade earlier.  Then some political correctness-obsessed morans decided that the term "hacker" involved too many negative connotations and that's the reason they didn't get the attention they wanted, so they looked for another term, and someone came up with with the sterile "maker" (ugh, always hated it).  These things are a lot more than craft faires, and comparing them to such is a bit silly.

So, btw, we're primarily talking about the oldschool meaning of "hacker" here, ie., people who take one thing and creatively modify it to suit another purpose, often in a very technical way.  Yeah, most of the stuff is arduinos and 3D printers, but it's generally far more elaborate than your average garage tinkerer's creations.

/been a member of the Buffalo hackerspace for 5 or 6 years... went to the first two NYC Maker Faires, and I still think they charge too much to enter :/
//also, all you people turning this into politics...
 
2014-02-05 03:22:36 PM  

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Have #'s one, and three washed, oiled, and sent to my chambers.
 
2014-02-05 03:23:12 PM  
# five too.
 
2014-02-05 03:27:32 PM  

Phinn: dinch: Phinn: The gist of the "You didn't build that" comment was "You owe us because we built your roads."

That's what you got out of the comment? No wonder you're so bitter.

The original comment was made by Fauxcahontas:

There is nobody in this country who got rich on his own - nobody. You built a factory out there? Good for you. But I want to be clear. You moved your goods to market on the roads the rest of us paid for. You hired workers the rest of us paid to educate. You were safe in your factory because of police-forces and fire-forces that the rest of us paid for. You didn't have to worry that marauding bands would come and seize everything at your factory - and hire someone to protect against this - because of the work the rest of us did. Now look, you built a factory and it turned into something terrific, or a great idea. God bless - keep a big hunk of it. But part of the underlying social contract is, you take a hunk of that and pay forward for the next kid who comes along.


Obama paraphrased the very same idea, and was speaking specifically in the context of taxation (i.e., what people OWE the government, for all the wonderful things it does):

There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me - because they want to give something back. They know they didn't - look, if you've been successful, you didn't get there on your own. You didn't get there on your own. I'm always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something - there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there. If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business - you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen.


The gist of these comments is, "Government made your wealth possible, so pay up, you stingy bastard."

It doesn't hold up to the slightest scrutiny.  The things that people paid for, via taxation, are ALREADY PAID FOR.  Only in a government mindset would you have this quasi-religious theme of, "There's no end to what we've done for you, so how dare you complain about paying more?!?"

No one gets rich on his own.  Yes, that's true.  People get rich either by sucking up to the State and getting fat on government contracts, or they earn it by efficiently providing valuable goods and services to willing customers.  That's it.  Those are the only two options on the menu.

Clearly, Option 1 is for assholes, and as much as the serfs complain about the graft and cronyism, it's not changing any time soon.

In Option 2 (earning it), wealth comes about because people pay for what they get, and don't rely on this attitude of endless guilt and debt and obligation.  Earned wealth comes about because of trade.  Productivity.  Savings.  Surpluses.  Exchange.  Quid pro quo.  Contracts.  Market alternatives -- if you don't like what I'm selling, you're free to find a better deal elsewhere.

In the world of commerce, you don't get to come back later and say, "You know, you still owe me!  So, I'm altering the deal.  Pray I don't alter it any further."


1) You think that people suddenly quit usinf and services provided by the government once they got rich?

2) You think that 40 year old rich guy the education of his 45 year old employee?

Which leads to three points:

1) You pay taxes on current income, not past. What you paid in the past was related to what you received in the past. What you are paying now relates to what you receive now. What you pay in the future relates to what you receive in the future.

2) A necessary part of a functioning society is that every generation pays costs to develop future generations. Your parents' generation paid for the education of your generation, you didn't. Now you pay for the education of the next generation. People 50 years ago paid to build that bridge you used, now you pay for the replacement that will be used by future generations.
Even within your business, when you were developing it you would have been paying relatively low taxes due to numerous expenses. Now that you are in a better position you are paying more.

3) You are using government services until you are dead and buried (in fact may be using the long after as well).
 
2014-02-05 03:29:06 PM  

Z-clipped: someonelse:

What would you suggest re-naming Maker Faires so that people know they are attending that and not, say, an RV show?

They used to be called "craft fairs". Without the old-timey final 'e'.


I've been to a lot of craft fairs and they don't have robots, blacksmiths, ham radio hobbyists, taxidermists, game developers, musical instrument makers, math geeks, cosplayers or many of the other fields covered by a maker faire.
I'll be the first to admit that the term 'maker' is kind of awkward, but it's a catch-all that describes what we do pretty well. We are, however, here to do more than just make stuff. The fairs and other maker gatherings are for sharing our hobbies with other folks face to face. It's a great chance to network with like-minded folks and introduce noobs to what we do in a fun, encouraging environment. Unlike craft fairs where the focus is on selling things, our focus is on sharing what we do and how we do it. Most of our exhibitors don't sell anything- they just come out because they love what they do.
Our local fair has grown over the past few years and allowed us to build a community. We recently partnered with our local library system to open a 10,000 sq. ft. maker space. We will have a computer lab, an electronics workshop, a full production shop, an A/V studio, art space and classrooms. With schools falling behind and dropping art, shop and other elective programs we hope to step in and provide these kinds of educational opportunities, not just for kids but for the whole community.
I'd also like to point out that the name 'Maker Faire' is a registered trade mark of O'Reilly media. They charge an ever-increasing fee to use the name while giving very little support for the individual local fairs. Don't be surprised to see similar events with different names as people get fed up with the corporate overlord. Our next event in Tampa is called MakerCon. We kept 'Maker' because it's recognizable but at least we dropped the silly extra 'e'.

While we're on the subject, here's a few of my projects-
https://vimeo.com/59045912
https://vimeo.com/85130857
https://vimeo.com/42110498
 
2014-02-05 03:31:22 PM  
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They see me rollin' and they be hatin'.

So I sayz to Bill O'Reilly, Raooor! I'm the Boogey Man!

This is what Republican Members of Congress look like when you're giving the State of the Union speech I Came!

If you want to make them shiat in their pants, just say "Third Term"!

FIFY
 
2014-02-05 03:33:37 PM  

Wellon Dowd: This, ladies and gentlemen, is why God invented the internet: http://renfaireboobs.com/


Good god those are some violently ugly women.
 
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