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(C|Net)   The first ever Maker Faire hosted by the White House will happen later this year. President Obama will be on hand to let everyone know they didn't make that   (news.cnet.com) divider line 199
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2014-02-05 09:18:16 AM  
I love the sheer metric volume of jimmies Obama rustled with that quote.
 
2014-02-05 09:23:06 AM  
overzealous President

\nothing to see here....
 
2014-02-05 09:40:02 AM  
Thanks, Obarforama!
 
2014-02-05 09:42:26 AM  
Maker Faire? I dont have to dress up like a clockmaker from 1880, do I?

Will there be wenches and turkey legs?
 
2014-02-05 09:59:13 AM  

QU!RK1019: I love the sheer metric volume of jimmies Obama rustled with that quote.


It's like someone made a caricature of political opposition.

"What can the President say that will mortally offend his opponent?"
"When we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together."
"Ooh, that will drive them crazy. Can the First Lady say something that will whip them up even more?"
"Kids should eat their vegetables."

"Perfect."
 
2014-02-05 10:02:49 AM  
I came here just to say I made this comment.   Suck it O
 
2014-02-05 10:09:59 AM  
Like most things in life, this was inspired by a kid with a marshmallow cannon.
 
2014-02-05 10:14:00 AM  

dletter: Like most things in life, this was inspired by a kid with a marshmallow cannon.


Yes, we need to make sweeter weapons of mass enjoyment!  Cover the terrorists with white sticky love.

sha la la la
 
2014-02-05 10:19:16 AM  

DarkJohnson: I came here just to say I made this comment.   Suck it O


Exhibit A
 
2014-02-05 10:22:34 AM  

DarkJohnson: dletter: Like most things in life, this was inspired by a kid with a marshmallow cannon.

Yes, we need to make sweeter weapons of mass enjoyment!  Cover the terrorists with white sticky love.

sha la la la


It beats the Republican's "Prepare for War" fest.
 
2014-02-05 10:31:44 AM  
Setting aside the political sniping for a moment: if you haven't been to a Maker Faire, you really should go to one of the big ones: San Mateo in May or NYC (Queens) in September.

It'll probably be a bit more difficult to get into the White House Maker Faire, but I'm hoping they keep it as open as possible.
 
2014-02-05 10:51:18 AM  
I have to give credit where credit is due; that headline made me laugh.
 
2014-02-05 10:53:36 AM  

CheetahOlivetti: if you haven't been to a Maker Faire,


I exhibited at the first Maker Faire and a few years after that before 'retiring' from it.  I think they're great and I think it's a great stunt for the White House to host one (much better than rolling easter eggs)

But I do find the 'you didn't make it' meme funny.
 
2014-02-05 11:00:55 AM  
28.media.tumblr.com
 
2014-02-05 11:00:55 AM  
That's just begging to be turned into "Takers Faire."
 
2014-02-05 11:02:19 AM  
Don't type headlines like that, subby, you retard.  It's too early, and I thought it said something about a Farker hosted y the white house (which, unlike your shiatty link) would actually be news.
 
2014-02-05 11:02:43 AM  
He's pulling them all in to tell them personally how much of their own money they get to keep.
 
2014-02-05 11:02:56 AM  

DarkJohnson: CheetahOlivetti: if you haven't been to a Maker Faire,

I exhibited at the first Maker Faire and a few years after that before 'retiring' from it.  I think they're great and I think it's a great stunt for the White House to host one (much better than rolling easter eggs)

But I do find the 'you didn't make it' meme funny.


I imagine hosting this at the White House is going to give the Secret Service and Homeland Security fits....

I wonder if this Boy Scout will be participating:
img2u.info
 
2014-02-05 11:03:48 AM  

DarkJohnson: dletter: Like most things in life, this was inspired by a kid with a marshmallow cannon.

Yes, we need to make sweeter weapons of mass enjoyment!  Cover the terrorists with white sticky love.

sha la la la


Ewwwwwwww...
 
2014-02-05 11:04:34 AM  
1.bp.blogspot.com
/invited.
 
2014-02-05 11:04:37 AM  
While I think that building stuff is cool, anyone who refers to himself as a "Maker" should be taken out back and shot with the Bullets of Anti-Pretentiousness.
 
2014-02-05 11:07:36 AM  

derpy: [1.bp.blogspot.com image 600x445]
/invited.


Was gonna ask if you could buy Water of Life at said Faire, see that it's been covered.
 
2014-02-05 11:07:42 AM  

derpy: [1.bp.blogspot.com image 600x445]
/invited.


Well played!

img706.imageshack.us
 
2014-02-05 11:07:54 AM  
i0.kym-cdn.com
 
2014-02-05 11:08:00 AM  
i411.photobucket.com
 
2014-02-05 11:09:49 AM  
If they do it in August they can head over to Crownsville and hit the Renaissance Faire afterwards.
 
2014-02-05 11:15:35 AM  
I bet the guy 3D printing guns won't be invited.
 
2014-02-05 11:16:08 AM  

derpy: [1.bp.blogspot.com image 600x445]
/invited.


Bless the Maker and all His Water. Bless the coming and going of Him, May His passing cleanse the world. May He keep the world for his people.
 
2014-02-05 11:16:41 AM  
Maker's fair?
beerspill.fark.com
 
2014-02-05 11:17:14 AM  
If Obama praises the companies that make 3d printing machines, will Republicans shiat all over for implying that the people who use 3d printing machines to make things didn't make them?
 
2014-02-05 11:19:27 AM  
I thought Fartbingo only liked the Takers, not the Makers.
 
2014-02-05 11:20:41 AM  
Oh just for kids.  Then that is ok.  I was expecting the parasitic 1% to be there.   The Orwellian translation of Maker is appropriate only for the business types.
 
2014-02-05 11:20:52 AM  

Wellon Dowd: If they do it in August they can head over to Crownsville and hit the Renaissance Faire afterwards.


They could combine the events with a defense contract expo and have "Siege weapon fest"

I bet it would be fun to see the homemade guys go toe to toe with the defense guys at making a battering ram.
 
2014-02-05 11:21:00 AM  
24.media.tumblr.com
sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net
oi50.tinypic.com
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2014-02-05 11:23:07 AM  
An entire thread based on a lie about a statement that simply said that we all built the roads together.

As usual, a banner day for Fark.
 
2014-02-05 11:24:06 AM  

meat0918: Bless the Maker and all His Water. Bless the coming and going of Him, May His passing cleanse the world. May He keep the world for his people.


I'd call it a win if he could just cleanse Washington..

You think the Secret Service would visit me for wishing a large imaginary worm from a scifi novel attacked our elected officials?
 
2014-02-05 11:25:04 AM  

thurstonxhowell: If Obama praises the companies that make 3d printing machines, will Republicans shiat all over for implying that the people who use 3d printing machines to make things didn't make them?


It's almost like the Makers at the faire benefit from an infrastructure wherein other people make Making Machines, whip up barrels of Making Plastic, ship them on our roads, get the devices in the hands of Makers, who run them off our shared electrical grid, while downloading plans from the ARPANET's child into software packages that other people made, often so they can sell their homemade items and ship them out via our postal system.  And that all of this largely works because of the downstream consequences of public education, college loans, research grants, safety regulations, and an intellectual property system enforced by the courts.

One might say that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together.  If one wanted to say something horribly inflammatory, of course!
 
2014-02-05 11:25:09 AM  
Should it be a little concerning that the President, who owns killer drones, is in awe of a canon that fires marshmallows?

cdn.theguardian.tv
"Son this is awesome, can we attach it to that octocopter?"
 
2014-02-05 11:25:33 AM  

DarkJohnson: dletter: Like most things in life, this was inspired by a kid with a marshmallow cannon.

Yes, we need to make sweeter weapons of mass enjoyment!  Cover the terrorists with white sticky love.

sha la la la


forums.watchuseek.com
 
2014-02-05 11:26:42 AM  

mr lawson: [24.media.tumblr.com image 500x217]
[sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net image 560x945]
[oi50.tinypic.com image 850x505]


Dear god. That last one is just begging for a "face replace" using the girl/boy? in the back row on the right.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2014-02-05 11:26:48 AM  

chimp_ninja: One might say that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together. If one wanted to say something horribly inflammatory, of course!


Well... the entire meme is another example how the GOP is intellectually weak and can only score points from an appeal to ignorance.
 
2014-02-05 11:27:33 AM  

foo monkey: DarkJohnson: dletter: Like most things in life, this was inspired by a kid with a marshmallow cannon.

Yes, we need to make sweeter weapons of mass enjoyment!  Cover the terrorists with white sticky love.

sha la la la

[forums.watchuseek.com image 300x225]


Are we even doing that anymore?

/loving this season
 
2014-02-05 11:28:54 AM  

baconbeard: While I think that building stuff is cool, anyone who refers to himself as a "Maker" should be taken out back and shot with the Bullets of Anti-Pretentiousness.


You think it's pretentious?  I think it sounds a little... simple.  Like if Forrest Gump was a carpenter and you asked him what he did for a living.
 
2014-02-05 11:30:14 AM  
A headline critical of Barry?

i26.photobucket.com
 
2014-02-05 11:30:18 AM  

DarkJohnson: Should it be a little concerning that the President, who owns killer drones, is in awe of a canon that fires marshmallows?

[cdn.theguardian.tv image 480x360]
"Son this is awesome, can we attach it to that octocopter?"


He's sharing the excitement with the little kid.

img855.imageshack.us

I'm sorry but anyone that would be this cool with a bunch of kids is at least "all-right" in my book.
 
2014-02-05 11:32:51 AM  
Is this an Orson Scott Card thing? Did he ever finish that series?

/I need a gold super plow.
 
2014-02-05 11:35:54 AM  

Wellon Dowd: If they do it in August they can head over to Crownsville and hit the Renaissance Faire afterwards.


I really need to get back up there this year, it's been a while.
 
2014-02-05 11:38:03 AM  

IrateShadow: baconbeard: While I think that building stuff is cool, anyone who refers to himself as a "Maker" should be taken out back and shot with the Bullets of Anti-Pretentiousness.

You think it's pretentious?  I think it sounds a little... simple.  Like if Forrest Gump was a carpenter and you asked him what he did for a living.


The name comes from Make Magazine, which is arguably what galvanized the maker movement and made it possible for it to enter the public consciousness in this way.

That being said, the Mitt Romney definition of "Maker" is rooted in Objectivist "philosophy", and has absolutely nothing to do with the maker movement.
 
2014-02-05 11:39:17 AM  
eclectablog.com
 
2014-02-05 11:41:24 AM  
babylon 5 reference
 
2014-02-05 11:41:46 AM  

IrateShadow: baconbeard: While I think that building stuff is cool, anyone who refers to himself as a "Maker" should be taken out back and shot with the Bullets of Anti-Pretentiousness.

You think it's pretentious?  I think it sounds a little... simple.  Like if Forrest Gump was a carpenter and you asked him what he did for a living.


I think it's pretentious to bestow any sort of title upon one's self. It renders the title absolutely meaningless while at the same time it smacks of inclusivity.
 
2014-02-05 11:45:17 AM  

grinding_journalist: foo monkey: DarkJohnson: dletter: Like most things in life, this was inspired by a kid with a marshmallow cannon.

Yes, we need to make sweeter weapons of mass enjoyment!  Cover the terrorists with white sticky love.

sha la la la

[forums.watchuseek.com image 300x225]

Are we even doing that anymore?

/loving this season


I'm a bit sad that they spoiled the entire season in the first episode.

/At least so far
 
2014-02-05 11:50:29 AM  

McGrits: Is this an Orson Scott Card thing? Did he ever finish that series?

/I need a gold super plow.


He did, but it kind of petered out and got boring at the end. A lot like the Ender series.
 
2014-02-05 11:51:25 AM  

baconbeard: IrateShadow: baconbeard: While I think that building stuff is cool, anyone who refers to himself as a "Maker" should be taken out back and shot with the Bullets of Anti-Pretentiousness.

You think it's pretentious?  I think it sounds a little... simple.  Like if Forrest Gump was a carpenter and you asked him what he did for a living.

I think it's pretentious to bestow any sort of title upon one's self. It renders the title absolutely meaningless while at the same time it smacks of inclusivity.


What would you suggest re-naming Maker Faires so that people know they are attending that and not, say, an RV show?
 
2014-02-05 11:54:20 AM  

someonelse: baconbeard: IrateShadow: baconbeard: While I think that building stuff is cool, anyone who refers to himself as a "Maker" should be taken out back and shot with the Bullets of Anti-Pretentiousness.

You think it's pretentious?  I think it sounds a little... simple.  Like if Forrest Gump was a carpenter and you asked him what he did for a living.

I think it's pretentious to bestow any sort of title upon one's self. It renders the title absolutely meaningless while at the same time it smacks of inclusivity.

What would you suggest re-naming Maker Faires so that people know they are attending that and not, say, an RV show?


It's sort of tough to come up with a term that encompasses custom PCB makers (see?), people who build huge fire-breathing steampunk dragons, and people who handspin their own yarn.
 
2014-02-05 11:54:34 AM  

d23: chimp_ninja: One might say that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together. If one wanted to say something horribly inflammatory, of course!

Well... the entire meme is another example how the GOP is intellectually weak and can only score points from an appeal to ignorance.


I dunno, I'm a filthy lib, but the meme cracks me up for some reason.
 
2014-02-05 11:58:47 AM  
This reminds me of the time that Owl Snore pretended he invented the internet.  What a libuloser.
 
2014-02-05 12:02:33 PM  

milkyshirt: d23: chimp_ninja: One might say that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together. If one wanted to say something horribly inflammatory, of course!

Well... the entire meme is another example how the GOP is intellectually weak and can only score points from an appeal to ignorance.

I dunno, I'm a filthy lib, but the meme cracks me up for some reason.


If I could reasonably assume that people using it were being sarcastic, I might join you.

But because there is a significant chance that the people actually believe it after so long it just makes me sad, frustrated, and a little bit angry.
 
2014-02-05 12:04:06 PM  

QU!RK1019: I love the sheer metric volume of jimmies Obama rustled with that quote.


Stop it... I'm sitting here trying to enjoy my cheaper health insurance with millions and millions of other people.
 
2014-02-05 12:07:50 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2014-02-05 12:08:18 PM  

d23: An entire thread based on a lie about a statement that simply said that we all built the roads together.

As usual, a banner day for Fark.


Cry more.
 
2014-02-05 12:09:10 PM  

Onkel Buck: A headline critical of Barry distorting something the president said?

[i26.photobucket.com image 320x136]


Yes
 
2014-02-05 12:09:35 PM  

Bareefer Obonghit: I have to give credit where credit is due; that headline made me laugh.


Oh thank Allah! Everyone was so worried you'd be so very, very upset.

</snark>
 
2014-02-05 12:11:03 PM  
They didn't build the infrastructure they used to get their supplies or ship their goods...
 
2014-02-05 12:14:19 PM  

DarkJohnson: I came here just to say I made this comment.   Suck it O


I can't tell anymore... are you all just playing along with a meme, or are there still people who sincerely thought that speech was saying something controversial?
 
2014-02-05 12:15:54 PM  

DerAppie: I'm a bit sad that they spoiled the entire season in the first episode.


In interviews, Reed has said that the montage is from the first seven (of ten) episodes this season; they haven't spoiled the ending or conclusion. I felt the same way, until I realized that it's more of a "how did they get there" than "what did they do" season.
 
2014-02-05 12:16:03 PM  
"Leave Barry Alone!" *tears*
 
2014-02-05 12:16:16 PM  

DarkJohnson: Should it be a little concerning that the President, who owns killer drones, is in awe of a canon that fires marshmallows?


It's certainly a real concern for those who are wondering about such stupid things.
Let's see what the average Fox News viewer thinks:
1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-02-05 12:17:20 PM  

grinding_journalist: mr lawson: [24.media.tumblr.com image 500x217]
[sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net image 560x945]
[oi50.tinypic.com image 850x505]

Dear god. That last one is just begging for a "face replace" using the girl/boy? in the back row on the right.


lol...yeah
 
2014-02-05 12:18:23 PM  

LesserEvil: DarkJohnson: CheetahOlivetti: if you haven't been to a Maker Faire,

I exhibited at the first Maker Faire and a few years after that before 'retiring' from it.  I think they're great and I think it's a great stunt for the White House to host one (much better than rolling easter eggs)

But I do find the 'you didn't make it' meme funny.

I imagine hosting this at the White House is going to give the Secret Service and Homeland Security fits....

I wonder if this Boy Scout will be participating:


imageshack.com

Nice to see Dick Cheney's hunting partner back on these pages again. He was, er, missed.
 
2014-02-05 12:19:23 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: DarkJohnson: Should it be a little concerning that the President, who owns killer drones, is in awe of a canon that fires marshmallows?

[cdn.theguardian.tv image 480x360]
"Son this is awesome, can we attach it to that octocopter?"

He's sharing the excitement with the little kid.

[img855.imageshack.us image 630x354]

I'm sorry but anyone that would be this cool with a bunch of kids is at least "all-right" in my book.


I remember Space Ghetto having a photoshop thread for a photo from that reading.  I've never been both so proud and so terrified of my abilities at the same time.
 
2014-02-05 12:21:35 PM  
Maker Faire?  On the east coast?  Come on.  When was the last time anything creative or original came out of anyplace east of the Sierras?

Last time I was in New York, I was struck by what a primitive backwater it has become.  Just a bunch of people doing the same ol' same ol' and having an attitude that they were actually "creating" something.
 
2014-02-05 12:25:42 PM  
People please go back to making things without surrounding yourselves with this circle-jerk movement.
 
2014-02-05 12:25:46 PM  

rosebud_the_sled: Maker Faire?  On the east coast?  Come on.  When was the last time anything creative or original came out of anyplace east of the Sierras?

Last time I was in New York, I was struck by what a primitive backwater it has become.  Just a bunch of people doing the same ol' same ol' and having an attitude that they were actually "creating" something.


Yup... and these people are usually the ones who insist on being called "Makers".
 
2014-02-05 12:27:13 PM  

Conservatives outraged to learn Obama is funding research into non-lethal weapons for use against American citizens

"Marshmallow" cannon can be scaled up to launch potatoes

 
2014-02-05 12:30:05 PM  

CheetahOlivetti: someonelse: baconbeard: IrateShadow: baconbeard: While I think that building stuff is cool, anyone who refers to himself as a "Maker" should be taken out back and shot with the Bullets of Anti-Pretentiousness.

You think it's pretentious?  I think it sounds a little... simple.  Like if Forrest Gump was a carpenter and you asked him what he did for a living.

I think it's pretentious to bestow any sort of title upon one's self. It renders the title absolutely meaningless while at the same time it smacks of inclusivity.

What would you suggest re-naming Maker Faires so that people know they are attending that and not, say, an RV show?

It's sort of tough to come up with a term that encompasses custom PCB makers (see?), people who build huge fire-breathing steampunk dragons, and people who handspin their own yarn.


Artisan or craftsman(person) isn't good enough?

"Maker" sounds like a pretentious title thought up by a geek with a 3D printer who is convinced that there's no limit to the things he can "make" with it.
 
2014-02-05 12:31:49 PM  
Is it kosher for me to point out there's a Caption contest in TotalFark if I posted it? Not to steal thunder from this thread. I won't cross-post my caption above but I think this photo is a no-brainer for Photoshop or Caption Contests.
 
2014-02-05 12:31:49 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: meat0918: Bless the Maker and all His Water. Bless the coming and going of Him, May His passing cleanse the world. May He keep the world for his people.

I'd call it a win if he could just cleanse Washington..

You think the Secret Service would visit me for wishing a large imaginary worm from a scifi novel attacked our elected officials?


The imaginary 'worms' are real. They are called lobbyists, and instead of attacking, they've infected most, if not all, of our elected officials.
 
2014-02-05 12:32:36 PM  

JerseyTim: [i411.photobucket.com image 213x389]


Wow, nice facial expression!  Now, if somebody gave Obama a bright, new, shiny dime, I would hope he's wearing Depends, because It might just get a little damp down there.
 
2014-02-05 12:32:43 PM  
I like to call myself an Artisan. Maker isn't pretentious enough.
 
2014-02-05 12:32:49 PM  

rosebud_the_sled: Last time I was in New York, I was struck by what a primitive backwater it has become.


OhYOU!.jpg
 
2014-02-05 12:33:11 PM  
Brilliant! Good work, Anayalator!
 
2014-02-05 12:35:13 PM  

DarkJohnson: Should it be a little concerning that the President, who owns killer drones, is in awe of a canon that fires marshmallows?

img.fark.net
[cdn.theguardian.tv image 480x360]
"Son this is awesome, can we attach it to that octocopter?"


I believe Congress is roughly that a way!

 
2014-02-05 12:36:25 PM  

LesserEvil: DarkJohnson: CheetahOlivetti: if you haven't been to a Maker Faire,

I exhibited at the first Maker Faire and a few years after that before 'retiring' from it.  I think they're great and I think it's a great stunt for the White House to host one (much better than rolling easter eggs)

But I do find the 'you didn't make it' meme funny.

I imagine hosting this at the White House is going to give the Secret Service and Homeland Security fits....

I wonder if this Boy Scout will be participating:
[img2u.info image 350x450]


I don't get it, who is that?
 
2014-02-05 12:37:21 PM  

DarkJohnson: Yes, we need to make sweeter weapons of mass enjoyment! Cover the terrorists with white sticky love.


A rapid-fire marshmallow gun with a high-capacity magazine would be great for crowd control.  Especially in Colorado and Washington.
 
2014-02-05 12:37:49 PM  

d23: chimp_ninja: One might say that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together. If one wanted to say something horribly inflammatory, of course!

Well... the entire meme is another example how the GOP is intellectually weak and can only score points from an appeal to ignorance.


Awww!  The butt hurt must flow!!
 
2014-02-05 12:37:50 PM  
someonelse:

What would you suggest re-naming Maker Faires so that people know they are attending that and not, say, an RV show?

They used to be called "craft fairs". Without the old-timey final 'e'.
 
2014-02-05 12:40:51 PM  
img.fark.net

They see me rollin' and they be hatin'.

So I sayz to Bill O'Reilly, Raooor! I'm the Boogey Man!

This is what Republican Members of Congress look like when you're giving the State of the Union speech

If you want to make them shiat in their pants, just say "Third Term"!
 
2014-02-05 12:43:25 PM  

JusticeandIndependence: LesserEvil: DarkJohnson: CheetahOlivetti: if you haven't been to a Maker Faire,

I exhibited at the first Maker Faire and a few years after that before 'retiring' from it.  I think they're great and I think it's a great stunt for the White House to host one (much better than rolling easter eggs)

But I do find the 'you didn't make it' meme funny.

I imagine hosting this at the White House is going to give the Secret Service and Homeland Security fits....

I wonder if this Boy Scout will be participating:
[img2u.info image 350x450]

I don't get it, who is that?


He's a guy who built a nuclear reactor using material extracted from smoke detectors and such. The spots are from his exposure to radiation.

Not the sort of person you want near the POTUS.
 
2014-02-05 12:47:35 PM  
Wow, more than 18 months and the zing still stings, eh?

images3.wikia.nocookie.net

'Living rent free inside your head.'
 
2014-02-05 12:48:39 PM  
This is cool. I wonder if any from my husband's group from GR Makers are participating. The ideas they bounce off of each other and build are inspiring that invention hasn't withered in the US. People still design and build, instead of just buy.
 
2014-02-05 12:48:57 PM  

Rapmaster2000: This reminds me of the time that Owl Snore pretended he invented the internet.  What a libuloser.


that "loser" has his own jet airplane
he's a millionare
 
2014-02-05 12:49:40 PM  

brantgoose: Conservatives outraged to learn Obama is funding research into non-lethal weapons for use against American citizens"Marshmallow" cannon can be scaled up to launch potatoes



In other news, Squealin' John Hawkins has a new circus act.
 
2014-02-05 12:50:11 PM  
Mmeehh, get back to me when the aliens teach Gravity 101.
 
2014-02-05 12:54:05 PM  

thurstonxhowell: If Obama praises the companies that make 3d printing machines, will Republicans shiat all over for implying that the people who use 3d printing machines to make things didn't make them?


Republicans shiat themselves over arugula and mustard, in fact, they are constantly shiatting themselves.

Must suck, to be so scared, all the time.
 
2014-02-05 12:54:30 PM  

snocone: Rapmaster2000: This reminds me of the time that Owl Snore pretended he invented the internet.  What a libuloser.

that "loser" has his own jet airplane
he's a millionare


Does he have a mansion and a yacht?
 
2014-02-05 12:56:57 PM  

brantgoose: Conservatives outraged to learn Obama is funding research into non-lethal weapons for use against American citizens"Marshmallow" cannon can be scaled up to launch potatoes


I've shattered a fence with a potato... not sure if it's really "non-lethal", or even significantly "less-than-lethal"
 
2014-02-05 12:57:01 PM  

Z-clipped: CheetahOlivetti: someonelse: baconbeard: IrateShadow: baconbeard: While I think that building stuff is cool, anyone who refers to himself as a "Maker" should be taken out back and shot with the Bullets of Anti-Pretentiousness.

You think it's pretentious?  I think it sounds a little... simple.  Like if Forrest Gump was a carpenter and you asked him what he did for a living.

I think it's pretentious to bestow any sort of title upon one's self. It renders the title absolutely meaningless while at the same time it smacks of inclusivity.

What would you suggest re-naming Maker Faires so that people know they are attending that and not, say, an RV show?

It's sort of tough to come up with a term that encompasses custom PCB makers (see?), people who build huge fire-breathing steampunk dragons, and people who handspin their own yarn.

Artisan or craftsman(person) isn't good enough?

"Maker" sounds like a pretentious title thought up by a geek with a 3D printer who is convinced that there's no limit to the things he can "make" with it.


You think "artisan" is less pretentious than "maker"? I ... don't know how to process that.
 
2014-02-05 12:58:17 PM  

IrateShadow: baconbeard: While I think that building stuff is cool, anyone who refers to himself as a "Maker" should be taken out back and shot with the Bullets of Anti-Pretentiousness.

You think it's pretentious?  I think it sounds a little... simple.  Like if Forrest Gump was a carpenter and you asked him what he did for a living.


"What do you do?"
"I make."

I think it manages to sound pretentious and slow/simple simultaneously, if that is possible.
 
2014-02-05 12:59:01 PM  

snocone: Rapmaster2000: This reminds me of the time that Owl Snore pretended he invented the internet.  What a libuloser.

that "loser" has his own jet airplane
he's a millionare


If we all installed microwave ovens, and used them for water heating instead of stoves, that would save a ton of energy.
 
2014-02-05 01:00:54 PM  

Pitabred: brantgoose: Conservatives outraged to learn Obama is funding research into non-lethal weapons for use against American citizens"Marshmallow" cannon can be scaled up to launch potatoes

I've shattered a fence with a potato... not sure if it's really "non-lethal", or even significantly "less-than-lethal"


You're telling me. They're so calorie-dense that you can pack on an unhealthy amount of fat eating them.

/my work break room has 700-calorie bags of trail mix in the "healthy snacks" section
 
2014-02-05 01:01:41 PM  

DarkJohnson: Should it be a little concerning that the President, who owns killer drones, is in awe of a canon that fires marshmallows?

[cdn.theguardian.tv image 480x360]
"Son this is awesome, can we attach it to that octocopter?"


Well, he has a better grasp of technology than his predecessor:

www.dubyaspeak.com
 
2014-02-05 01:01:46 PM  

Z-clipped: someonelse:

What would you suggest re-naming Maker Faires so that people know they are attending that and not, say, an RV show?

They used to be called "craft fairs". Without the old-timey final 'e'.


The old-timey 'e' is the thing that bugs me, too. You're right, we already had a perfectly good name for them with "craft fair." We still have those in my neck of the woods. But I kind of assume (maybe wrongly) that unlike craft fairs, the stuff on display at maker faires isn't for sale, and if I go to one I won't be leaving with any crocheted snowflakes or a purse with a bird on it or a knitted head-thing that's not quite a hat and not quite a headband.
 
2014-02-05 01:04:28 PM  

Z-clipped: someonelse:

What would you suggest re-naming Maker Faires so that people know they are attending that and not, say, an RV show?

They used to be called "craft fairs". Without the old-timey final 'e'.


Craft fairs are typically much smaller events, and they are devoid of the electronics, explosives, and other things that make the Maker Faires so much fun.
 
2014-02-05 01:08:43 PM  

someonelse: Z-clipped: someonelse:

What would you suggest re-naming Maker Faires so that people know they are attending that and not, say, an RV show?

They used to be called "craft fairs". Without the old-timey final 'e'.

The old-timey 'e' is the thing that bugs me, too. You're right, we already had a perfectly good name for them with "craft fair." We still have those in my neck of the woods. But I kind of assume (maybe wrongly) that unlike craft fairs, the stuff on display at maker faires isn't for sale, and if I go to one I won't be leaving with any crocheted snowflakes or a purse with a bird on it or a knitted head-thing that's not quite a hat and not quite a headband.


I've been to the Maker Faire in San Mateo.  There's lots of stuff for sale, but they tend to be more sciencey things: Arduino kits, EL wire, specialized nozzles to make a Diet Coke and Mentos fountain obtain a higher altitude, etc.
 
2014-02-05 01:11:43 PM  

anfrind: Z-clipped: someonelse:

What would you suggest re-naming Maker Faires so that people know they are attending that and not, say, an RV show?

They used to be called "craft fairs". Without the old-timey final 'e'.

Craft fairs are typically much smaller events, and they are devoid of the electronics, explosives, and other things that make the Maker Faires so much fun.


They should be called "People Who Bought an Arduino and Managed to Wire it Together Based on Some Schematic They Found on the Internet or in Make Magazine and now Consider Themselves Equal to Nicola Tesla" Fairs. But I guess that doesn't roll off the tongue as nicely.
 
2014-02-05 01:12:36 PM  

CheetahOlivetti: Setting aside the political sniping for a moment: if you haven't been to a Maker Faire, you really should go to one of the big ones: San Mateo in May or NYC (Queens) in September.


This.

Bareefer Obonghit: I have to give credit where credit is due; that headline made me laugh.


And that.

d23: An entire thread based on a lie about a statement that simply said that we all built the roads together.

As usual, a banner day for Fark.


Forget it, Jake. It's Farkietown.

milkyshirt: d23: chimp_ninja: One might say that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together. If one wanted to say something horribly inflammatory, of course!

Well... the entire meme is another example how the GOP is intellectually weak and can only score points from an appeal to ignorance.

I dunno, I'm a filthy lib, but the meme cracks me up for some reason.


Exactly. If this is genuine conservative humor, it's the first one that actually made me laugh to myself (LTM?). But I suspect it's more of a liberal or moderate sarcastic response to the conservative meme. I say, "well played, subby."
 
2014-02-05 01:18:27 PM  

Gaseous Anomaly: snocone: Rapmaster2000: This reminds me of the time that Owl Snore pretended he invented the internet.  What a libuloser.

that "loser" has his own jet airplane
he's a millionare

If we all installed microwave ovens, and used them for water heating instead of stoves, that would save a ton of energy.


you'll get a blister on your thumb
 
2014-02-05 01:21:07 PM  

d23: An entire thread based on a lie about a statement that simply said that we all built the roads together.

As usual, a banner day for Fark.


The thing is, taxpayers also already paid for the roads.  And we keep paying to maintain them.

The comment by Fartbongo (which was a paraphrase of an the earlier one by Fauxcahontas) was about how everyone still owes the government more and more gratitude (i.e., money), all because had previously paid the government to build roads.

There was nothing in the road-building legislation that said that once the government built roads, that meant the government is owed a bottomless debt, forever.  That's just stupid.
 
2014-02-05 01:26:24 PM  

baconbeard: anfrind: Z-clipped: someonelse:

What would you suggest re-naming Maker Faires so that people know they are attending that and not, say, an RV show?

They used to be called "craft fairs". Without the old-timey final 'e'.

Craft fairs are typically much smaller events, and they are devoid of the electronics, explosives, and other things that make the Maker Faires so much fun.

They should be called "People Who Bought an Arduino and Managed to Wire it Together Based on Some Schematic They Found on the Internet or in Make Magazine and now Consider Themselves Equal to Nicola Tesla" Fairs. But I guess that doesn't roll off the tongue as nicely.


When you're at the beach, do you kick over kids' sand castles?
 
2014-02-05 01:28:10 PM  

Sooo much troll grey in this thread.

Most of them are lame, so I ain't gonna quote 'em.



home.comcast.net
 
2014-02-05 01:28:20 PM  

Phinn: d23: An entire thread based on a lie about a statement that simply said that we all built the roads together.

As usual, a banner day for Fark.

The thing is, taxpayers also already paid for the roads.  And we keep paying to maintain them.

The comment by Fartbongo (which was a paraphrase of an the earlier one by Fauxcahontas) was about how everyone still owes the government more and more gratitude (i.e., money), all because had previously paid the government to build roads.

There was nothing in the road-building legislation that said that once the government built roads, that meant the government is owed a bottomless debt, forever.  That's just stupid.


Please tell me you're just really bad at sarcasm/satire.
 
2014-02-05 01:29:31 PM  

CheetahOlivetti: baconbeard: anfrind: Z-clipped: someonelse:

What would you suggest re-naming Maker Faires so that people know they are attending that and not, say, an RV show?

They used to be called "craft fairs". Without the old-timey final 'e'.

Craft fairs are typically much smaller events, and they are devoid of the electronics, explosives, and other things that make the Maker Faires so much fun.

They should be called "People Who Bought an Arduino and Managed to Wire it Together Based on Some Schematic They Found on the Internet or in Make Magazine and now Consider Themselves Equal to Nicola Tesla" Fairs. But I guess that doesn't roll off the tongue as nicely.

When you're at the beach, do you kick over kids' sand castles?


When I'm at the beach, I kick over kids. I kick over kids.
 
2014-02-05 01:29:35 PM  
Came for the Fark404, leaving satisfied...

/I'll have Lagavulin, neat
 
2014-02-05 01:30:55 PM  

Phinn: d23: An entire thread based on a lie about a statement that simply said that we all built the roads together.

As usual, a banner day for Fark.

The thing is, taxpayers also already paid for the roads.  And we keep paying to maintain them.

The comment by Fartbongo (which was a paraphrase of an the earlier one by Fauxcahontas) was about how everyone still owes the government more and more gratitude (i.e., money), all because had previously paid the government to build roads.

There was nothing in the road-building legislation that said that once the government built roads, that meant the government is owed a bottomless debt, forever.  That's just stupid.


But he made is sound so good.
Mission Accomplished.

/no leadership, all salesmanship, not even a hat
 
2014-02-05 01:38:15 PM  

baconbeard: While I think that building stuff is cool, anyone who refers to himself as a "Maker" should be taken out back and shot with the Bullets of Anti-Pretentiousness.


given that it's what C3P0 calls his god, that fits.
 
2014-02-05 01:39:05 PM  

brantgoose: Conservatives outraged to learn Obama is funding research into non-lethal weapons for use against American citizens"Marshmallow" cannon can be scaled up to launch potatoes


I'm not sure potato cannons actually count as "non-lethal."
 
2014-02-05 01:41:27 PM  

snocone: Rapmaster2000: This reminds me of the time that Owl Snore pretended he invented the internet.  What a libuloser.

that "loser" has his own jet airplane
he's a millionare


does he have an earring and a mink coat? is that his own hair?
 
2014-02-05 01:52:00 PM  

baconbeard: CheetahOlivetti: baconbeard: anfrind: Z-clipped: someonelse:

What would you suggest re-naming Maker Faires so that people know they are attending that and not, say, an RV show?

They used to be called "craft fairs". Without the old-timey final 'e'.

Craft fairs are typically much smaller events, and they are devoid of the electronics, explosives, and other things that make the Maker Faires so much fun.

They should be called "People Who Bought an Arduino and Managed to Wire it Together Based on Some Schematic They Found on the Internet or in Make Magazine and now Consider Themselves Equal to Nicola Tesla" Fairs. But I guess that doesn't roll off the tongue as nicely.

When you're at the beach, do you kick over kids' sand castles?

When I'm at the beach, I kick over kids. I kick over kids.



i668.photobucket.com
 
2014-02-05 01:53:38 PM  

JohnnyC: Phinn: d23: An entire thread based on a lie about a statement that simply said that we all built the roads together.

As usual, a banner day for Fark.

The thing is, taxpayers also already paid for the roads.  And we keep paying to maintain them.

The comment by Fartbongo (which was a paraphrase of an the earlier one by Fauxcahontas) was about how everyone still owes the government more and more gratitude (i.e., money), all because had previously paid the government to build roads.

There was nothing in the road-building legislation that said that once the government built roads, that meant the government is owed a bottomless debt, forever.  That's just stupid.

Please tell me you're just really bad at sarcasm/satire.


Show me where it said that the enactment of the road-building program meant that government is forever entitled to a cut of whatever profitable use is made with those roads.

The gist of the "You didn't build that" comment was "You owe us because we built your roads."

The sensible response is, "We already paid for the roads. We don't owe more just because people use the paid-for roads to earn a living."

If Starbucks came to you and said that the caffeinated beverage it sold to you yesterday helped you earn a promotion, so that $2.15 you paid is now $4.15, you'd probably say that wasn't part of the original bargain, so fark off.
 
2014-02-05 01:54:05 PM  

anfrind: someonelse: Z-clipped: someonelse:

What would you suggest re-naming Maker Faires so that people know they are attending that and not, say, an RV show?

They used to be called "craft fairs". Without the old-timey final 'e'.

The old-timey 'e' is the thing that bugs me, too. You're right, we already had a perfectly good name for them with "craft fair." We still have those in my neck of the woods. But I kind of assume (maybe wrongly) that unlike craft fairs, the stuff on display at maker faires isn't for sale, and if I go to one I won't be leaving with any crocheted snowflakes or a purse with a bird on it or a knitted head-thing that's not quite a hat and not quite a headband.

I've been to the Maker Faire in San Mateo.  There's lots of stuff for sale, but they tend to be more sciencey things: Arduino kits, EL wire, specialized nozzles to make a Diet Coke and Mentos fountain obtain a higher altitude, etc.


Do people sell the stuff they've made, or is it mainly people selling stuff to make other stuff with?
 
2014-02-05 02:04:54 PM  

baconbeard: While I think that building stuff is cool, anyone who refers to himself as a "Maker" should be taken out back and shot with the Bullets of Anti-Pretentiousness.


I'd rather be shot with sapphire bullets.  Bullets of pure love.
 
2014-02-05 02:09:45 PM  

CheetahOlivetti: baconbeard: anfrind: Z-clipped: someonelse:

What would you suggest re-naming Maker Faires so that people know they are attending that and not, say, an RV show?

They used to be called "craft fairs". Without the old-timey final 'e'.

Craft fairs are typically much smaller events, and they are devoid of the electronics, explosives, and other things that make the Maker Faires so much fun.

They should be called "People Who Bought an Arduino and Managed to Wire it Together Based on Some Schematic They Found on the Internet or in Make Magazine and now Consider Themselves Equal to Nicola Tesla" Fairs. But I guess that doesn't roll off the tongue as nicely.

When you're at the beach, do you kick over kids' sand castles?


I stand with baconbeard.


We used to call it "a hobby" and millions of americans created, tinkered, invented and made cool shiat in their garages and workshops, and nobody needed to call it "a movement" or wrap a shiatload of phoney baloney politicophilosophical nonsense around it.


Do you know these people literally call each other "Makers"? They have Makers' Meetings to talk about how cool it is to make stuff while not actually making any stuff. Make Magazine and others blatantly encourage this crap to drive ads and sales. they are snowflakes to the absolute max and INCREDIBLY annoying about it.


It's at least as bad as the Tactical Retards Trend that mean every moron wants to owns an AR-15 and thinks he's Seal Team 1 in digital BDUs at Walmart. Reminds me of when a bunch of social rejects decided to start calling themselves "Brights" because they could blog and take online IQ tests.
 
2014-02-05 02:12:41 PM  

Phinn: The gist of the "You didn't build that" comment was "You owe us because we built your roads."


That's what you got out of the comment? No wonder you're so bitter.
 
2014-02-05 02:30:17 PM  

someonelse:

You think "artisan" is less pretentious than "maker"? I ... don't know how to process that.

It depends on how it's used.  If I say I make artisanal cheese or artisanal whiskey, it specifically means I make it by hand, using pre-industrial techniques.  If I have a business card that reads, "Z-Clipped- occupation: Artisan" then yes, that would be extremely pretentious.  I'll happily take "craftsman" as a catch-all term for anybody who "makes things" in small number, on their own. That includes pottery, trebuchets, printed circuits, and even small software projects directly related to creating stuff.

baconbeard: anfrind: Z-clipped: someonelse:

What would you suggest re-naming Maker Faires so that people know they are attending that and not, say, an RV show?

They used to be called "craft fairs". Without the old-timey final 'e'.

Craft fairs are typically much smaller events, and they are devoid of the electronics, explosives, and other things that make the Maker Faires so much fun.

They should be called "People Who Bought an Arduino and Managed to Wire it Together Based on Some Schematic They Found on the Internet or in Make Magazine and now Consider Themselves Equal to Nicola Tesla" Fairs. But I guess that doesn't roll off the tongue as nicely.


Yeah, this is what I was thinking.

Phinn: Show me where it said that the enactment of the road-building program meant that government is forever entitled to a cut of whatever profitable use is made with those roads.


Have you studied any of the history between now and say, ancient Rome?  I'm guessing not, or you wouldn't have typed something quite this incredibly stupid.
 
2014-02-05 02:31:20 PM  

Wellon Dowd: If they do it in August they can head over to Crownsville and hit the Renaissance Faire afterwards.


I used to live in Crownsville.  God, the traffic on RenFaire weekends!

However, if you flash your driver's license with a Crownsville address at the ticket booth, they'll let you in free by way of apology.

Best part? My license didn't expire for three years after I moved away, and I still got in free for those three years, since it still had my Crownsville address!

/Wasn't working a scam
//Just too lazy to renew it.
 
2014-02-05 02:35:59 PM  
Yo Maker, I'm really happy for you, Imma let you finish but our infrastructure is one of the best things made of all time...one of the best things made of all time!
 
2014-02-05 02:36:07 PM  

Deucednuisance: Wellon Dowd: If they do it in August they can head over to Crownsville and hit the Renaissance Faire afterwards.

I used to live in Crownsville.  God, the traffic on RenFaire weekends!

However, if you flash your driver's license with a Crownsville address at the ticket booth, they'll let you in free by way of apology.

Best part? My license didn't expire for three years after I moved away, and I still got in free for those three years, since it still had my Crownsville address!

/Wasn't working a scam
//Just too lazy to renew it.


Did you just publicly brag about getting into a RenFaire for free, as if it was some sort of perk?


Mind. Boggled.
 
2014-02-05 02:38:25 PM  

Phinn: JohnnyC: Phinn: d23: An entire thread based on a lie about a statement that simply said that we all built the roads together.

As usual, a banner day for Fark.

The thing is, taxpayers also already paid for the roads.  And we keep paying to maintain them.

The comment by Fartbongo (which was a paraphrase of an the earlier one by Fauxcahontas) was about how everyone still owes the government more and more gratitude (i.e., money), all because had previously paid the government to build roads.

There was nothing in the road-building legislation that said that once the government built roads, that meant the government is owed a bottomless debt, forever.  That's just stupid.

Please tell me you're just really bad at sarcasm/satire.

Show me where it said that the enactment of the road-building program meant that government is forever entitled to a cut of whatever profitable use is made with those roads.

The gist of the "You didn't build that" comment was "You owe us because we built your roads."

The sensible response is, "We already paid for the roads. We don't owe more just because people use the paid-for roads to earn a living."

If Starbucks came to you and said that the caffeinated beverage it sold to you yesterday helped you earn a promotion, so that $2.15 you paid is now $4.15, you'd probably say that wasn't part of the original bargain, so fark off.


And who is paying to maintain the roads do you think they are using tomorrow?

Who is regulating the markets to minimize the risk of being caught by fraudulent activities for that money you earned?

Who is running the legal system that will enforce ongoing and future contracts?

You aren't taxed on your historical income, you are taxed on your current income.

The statement was simply that you are some bulwark of rugged individualism, you are a part of society and you benefit from society.

Until you are dead and buried you will continue to benefit from society.
 
2014-02-05 02:40:45 PM  

baconbeard: Did you just publicly brag about getting into a RenFaire for free, as if it was some sort of perk?


Beats paying for it.  I don't mind walking about a sea of heaving bosoms on a pretty day.  What are you, some kind of fairy?

And I like to drink cider, too.
 
2014-02-05 02:42:42 PM  

willfullyobscure: We used to call it "a hobby" and millions of americans created, tinkered, invented and made cool shiat in their garages and workshops, and nobody needed to call it "a movement" or wrap a shiatload of phoney baloney politicophilosophical nonsense around it.


Pshh... my grandparents had hobbies.  How can I assert my youthful rugged individualism if I don't come up with a new term that makes me sound serious and important?  I mean, my dad just soldered simple circuits and wired gadgets to them...  I, on the other hand, consider the social implications of soldering simple circuits and wiring gadgets to them.
 
2014-02-05 02:46:39 PM  

Deucednuisance: baconbeard: Did you just publicly brag about getting into a RenFaire for free, as if it was some sort of perk?

Beats paying for it.  I don't mind walking about a sea of heaving bosoms on a pretty day.  What are you, some kind of fairy?

And I like to drink cider, too.


I like walking around Ren Faire on stilts:

images.tribe.net
 
2014-02-05 02:47:15 PM  
No corset-laden 'Women of Ren Faires' pics?

/FARK, I am disappoint.
 
2014-02-05 02:50:17 PM  

Deucednuisance: I used to live in Crownsville.  God, the traffic on RenFaire weekends!


They just posted on Facebook that they are considering moving to a different site, although they didn't say where.

i.imgur.com
 
2014-02-05 02:52:52 PM  

dinch: Phinn: The gist of the "You didn't build that" comment was "You owe us because we built your roads."

That's what you got out of the comment? No wonder you're so bitter.


He's part of the 94% of the 57%
 
2014-02-05 02:52:59 PM  

ObscureNameHere: No corset-laden 'Women of Ren Faires' pics?

/FARK, I am disappoint.


One's not enough?  Here:

stashbox.org
 
2014-02-05 02:54:19 PM  

Z-clipped: willfullyobscure: We used to call it "a hobby" and millions of americans created, tinkered, invented and made cool shiat in their garages and workshops, and nobody needed to call it "a movement" or wrap a shiatload of phoney baloney politicophilosophical nonsense around it.

Pshh... my grandparents had hobbies.  How can I assert my youthful rugged individualism if I don't come up with a new term that makes me sound serious and important?  I mean, my dad just soldered simple circuits and wired gadgets to them...  I, on the other hand, consider the social implications of soldering simple circuits and wiring gadgets to them.


encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com
 
2014-02-05 02:54:39 PM  

dinch: Phinn: The gist of the "You didn't build that" comment was "You owe us because we built your roads."

That's what you got out of the comment? No wonder you're so bitter.


The original comment was made by Fauxcahontas:

There is nobody in this country who got rich on his own - nobody. You built a factory out there? Good for you. But I want to be clear. You moved your goods to market on the roads the rest of us paid for. You hired workers the rest of us paid to educate. You were safe in your factory because of police-forces and fire-forces that the rest of us paid for. You didn't have to worry that marauding bands would come and seize everything at your factory - and hire someone to protect against this - because of the work the rest of us did. Now look, you built a factory and it turned into something terrific, or a great idea. God bless - keep a big hunk of it. But part of the underlying social contract is, you take a hunk of that and pay forward for the next kid who comes along.


Obama paraphrased the very same idea, and was speaking specifically in the context of taxation (i.e., what people OWE the government, for all the wonderful things it does):

There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me - because they want to give something back. They know they didn't - look, if you've been successful, you didn't get there on your own. You didn't get there on your own. I'm always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something - there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there. If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business - you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen.


The gist of these comments is, "Government made your wealth possible, so pay up, you stingy bastard."

It doesn't hold up to the slightest scrutiny.  The things that people paid for, via taxation, are ALREADY PAID FOR.  Only in a government mindset would you have this quasi-religious theme of, "There's no end to what we've done for you, so how dare you complain about paying more?!?"

No one gets rich on his own.  Yes, that's true.  People get rich either by sucking up to the State and getting fat on government contracts, or they earn it by efficiently providing valuable goods and services to willing customers.  That's it.  Those are the only two options on the menu.

Clearly, Option 1 is for assholes, and as much as the serfs complain about the graft and cronyism, it's not changing any time soon.

In Option 2 (earning it), wealth comes about because people pay for what they get, and don't rely on this attitude of endless guilt and debt and obligation.  Earned wealth comes about because of trade.  Productivity.  Savings.  Surpluses.  Exchange.  Quid pro quo.  Contracts.  Market alternatives -- if you don't like what I'm selling, you're free to find a better deal elsewhere.

In the world of commerce, you don't get to come back later and say, "You know, you still owe me!  So, I'm altering the deal.  Pray I don't alter it any further."
 
2014-02-05 03:03:51 PM  

Phinn: People get rich either by sucking up to the State and getting fat on government contracts, or they earn it by efficiently providing valuable goods and services to willing customers.  That's it.  Those are the only two options on the menu.


This is what republicans actually believe.
 
2014-02-05 03:06:54 PM  

Z-clipped: ObscureNameHere: No corset-laden 'Women of Ren Faires' pics?

/FARK, I am disappoint.

One's not enough?  Here:

[stashbox.org image 640x480]


This thread would be much better with just pics like this. Why does cleavage at a Ren Faire seem so much hotter than other cleavage?
 
2014-02-05 03:07:29 PM  
And just because this thread could use them, here are some more Ren Faire boobs:

kzoz.s3.amazonaws.com
cdn2.holytaco.com
25.media.tumblr.com
cdn2.holytaco.com
farm8.staticflickr.com
25.media.tumblr.com
i.imgur.com
 
2014-02-05 03:09:59 PM  

Phinn: No one gets rich on his own.  Yes, that's true.  People get rich either by sucking up to the State and getting fat on government contracts, or they earn it by efficiently providing valuable goods and services to willing customers.  That's it.  Those are the only two options on the menu.


Has inherited wealth been outlawed on your planet?
 
2014-02-05 03:10:14 PM  
This, ladies and gentlemen, is why God invented the internet: http://renfaireboobs.com/
 
2014-02-05 03:17:55 PM  

Z-clipped: Artisan


Wow, the comments here are amazingly clueless...
This didn't all start with "Maker Magazine", this all started with the hackerspace "movement" about a decade earlier.  Then some political correctness-obsessed morans decided that the term "hacker" involved too many negative connotations and that's the reason they didn't get the attention they wanted, so they looked for another term, and someone came up with with the sterile "maker" (ugh, always hated it).  These things are a lot more than craft faires, and comparing them to such is a bit silly.

So, btw, we're primarily talking about the oldschool meaning of "hacker" here, ie., people who take one thing and creatively modify it to suit another purpose, often in a very technical way.  Yeah, most of the stuff is arduinos and 3D printers, but it's generally far more elaborate than your average garage tinkerer's creations.

/been a member of the Buffalo hackerspace for 5 or 6 years... went to the first two NYC Maker Faires, and I still think they charge too much to enter :/
//also, all you people turning this into politics...
 
2014-02-05 03:22:36 PM  

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Have #'s one, and three washed, oiled, and sent to my chambers.
 
2014-02-05 03:23:12 PM  
# five too.
 
2014-02-05 03:27:32 PM  

Phinn: dinch: Phinn: The gist of the "You didn't build that" comment was "You owe us because we built your roads."

That's what you got out of the comment? No wonder you're so bitter.

The original comment was made by Fauxcahontas:

There is nobody in this country who got rich on his own - nobody. You built a factory out there? Good for you. But I want to be clear. You moved your goods to market on the roads the rest of us paid for. You hired workers the rest of us paid to educate. You were safe in your factory because of police-forces and fire-forces that the rest of us paid for. You didn't have to worry that marauding bands would come and seize everything at your factory - and hire someone to protect against this - because of the work the rest of us did. Now look, you built a factory and it turned into something terrific, or a great idea. God bless - keep a big hunk of it. But part of the underlying social contract is, you take a hunk of that and pay forward for the next kid who comes along.


Obama paraphrased the very same idea, and was speaking specifically in the context of taxation (i.e., what people OWE the government, for all the wonderful things it does):

There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me - because they want to give something back. They know they didn't - look, if you've been successful, you didn't get there on your own. You didn't get there on your own. I'm always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something - there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there. If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business - you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen.


The gist of these comments is, "Government made your wealth possible, so pay up, you stingy bastard."

It doesn't hold up to the slightest scrutiny.  The things that people paid for, via taxation, are ALREADY PAID FOR.  Only in a government mindset would you have this quasi-religious theme of, "There's no end to what we've done for you, so how dare you complain about paying more?!?"

No one gets rich on his own.  Yes, that's true.  People get rich either by sucking up to the State and getting fat on government contracts, or they earn it by efficiently providing valuable goods and services to willing customers.  That's it.  Those are the only two options on the menu.

Clearly, Option 1 is for assholes, and as much as the serfs complain about the graft and cronyism, it's not changing any time soon.

In Option 2 (earning it), wealth comes about because people pay for what they get, and don't rely on this attitude of endless guilt and debt and obligation.  Earned wealth comes about because of trade.  Productivity.  Savings.  Surpluses.  Exchange.  Quid pro quo.  Contracts.  Market alternatives -- if you don't like what I'm selling, you're free to find a better deal elsewhere.

In the world of commerce, you don't get to come back later and say, "You know, you still owe me!  So, I'm altering the deal.  Pray I don't alter it any further."


1) You think that people suddenly quit usinf and services provided by the government once they got rich?

2) You think that 40 year old rich guy the education of his 45 year old employee?

Which leads to three points:

1) You pay taxes on current income, not past. What you paid in the past was related to what you received in the past. What you are paying now relates to what you receive now. What you pay in the future relates to what you receive in the future.

2) A necessary part of a functioning society is that every generation pays costs to develop future generations. Your parents' generation paid for the education of your generation, you didn't. Now you pay for the education of the next generation. People 50 years ago paid to build that bridge you used, now you pay for the replacement that will be used by future generations.
Even within your business, when you were developing it you would have been paying relatively low taxes due to numerous expenses. Now that you are in a better position you are paying more.

3) You are using government services until you are dead and buried (in fact may be using the long after as well).
 
2014-02-05 03:29:06 PM  

Z-clipped: someonelse:

What would you suggest re-naming Maker Faires so that people know they are attending that and not, say, an RV show?

They used to be called "craft fairs". Without the old-timey final 'e'.


I've been to a lot of craft fairs and they don't have robots, blacksmiths, ham radio hobbyists, taxidermists, game developers, musical instrument makers, math geeks, cosplayers or many of the other fields covered by a maker faire.
I'll be the first to admit that the term 'maker' is kind of awkward, but it's a catch-all that describes what we do pretty well. We are, however, here to do more than just make stuff. The fairs and other maker gatherings are for sharing our hobbies with other folks face to face. It's a great chance to network with like-minded folks and introduce noobs to what we do in a fun, encouraging environment. Unlike craft fairs where the focus is on selling things, our focus is on sharing what we do and how we do it. Most of our exhibitors don't sell anything- they just come out because they love what they do.
Our local fair has grown over the past few years and allowed us to build a community. We recently partnered with our local library system to open a 10,000 sq. ft. maker space. We will have a computer lab, an electronics workshop, a full production shop, an A/V studio, art space and classrooms. With schools falling behind and dropping art, shop and other elective programs we hope to step in and provide these kinds of educational opportunities, not just for kids but for the whole community.
I'd also like to point out that the name 'Maker Faire' is a registered trade mark of O'Reilly media. They charge an ever-increasing fee to use the name while giving very little support for the individual local fairs. Don't be surprised to see similar events with different names as people get fed up with the corporate overlord. Our next event in Tampa is called MakerCon. We kept 'Maker' because it's recognizable but at least we dropped the silly extra 'e'.

While we're on the subject, here's a few of my projects-
https://vimeo.com/59045912
https://vimeo.com/85130857
https://vimeo.com/42110498
 
2014-02-05 03:31:22 PM  
brantgoose: [img.fark.net image 630x354]

They see me rollin' and they be hatin'.

So I sayz to Bill O'Reilly, Raooor! I'm the Boogey Man!

This is what Republican Members of Congress look like when you're giving the State of the Union speech I Came!

If you want to make them shiat in their pants, just say "Third Term"!

FIFY
 
2014-02-05 03:33:37 PM  

Wellon Dowd: This, ladies and gentlemen, is why God invented the internet: http://renfaireboobs.com/


Good god those are some violently ugly women.
 
2014-02-05 03:36:09 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Wellon Dowd: This, ladies and gentlemen, is why God invented the internet: http://renfaireboobs.com/

Good god those are some violently ugly women.


I find it helps if I scroll up until the chin is just peaking down from the top of my monitor.
 
2014-02-05 03:38:01 PM  

willfullyobscure: CheetahOlivetti: baconbeard: anfrind: Z-clipped: someonelse:

What would you suggest re-naming Maker Faires so that people know they are attending that and not, say, an RV show?

They used to be called "craft fairs". Without the old-timey final 'e'.

Craft fairs are typically much smaller events, and they are devoid of the electronics, explosives, and other things that make the Maker Faires so much fun.

They should be called "People Who Bought an Arduino and Managed to Wire it Together Based on Some Schematic They Found on the Internet or in Make Magazine and now Consider Themselves Equal to Nicola Tesla" Fairs. But I guess that doesn't roll off the tongue as nicely.

When you're at the beach, do you kick over kids' sand castles?

I stand with baconbeard.


We used to call it "a hobby" and millions of americans created, tinkered, invented and made cool shiat in their garages and workshops, and nobody needed to call it "a movement" or wrap a shiatload of phoney baloney politicophilosophical nonsense around it.


Do you know these people literally call each other "Makers"? They have Makers' Meetings to talk about how cool it is to make stuff while not actually making any stuff. Make Magazine and others blatantly encourage this crap to drive ads and sales. they are snowflakes to the absolute max and INCREDIBLY annoying about it.


It's at least as bad as the Tactical Retards Trend that mean every moron wants to owns an AR-15 and thinks he's Seal Team 1 in digital BDUs at Walmart. Reminds me of when a bunch of social rejects decided to start calling themselves "Brights" because they could blog and take online IQ tests.


I've got an idea for you- how about actually knowing what the fark you're talking about?
 
2014-02-05 03:38:43 PM  

nymersic: //also, all you people turning this into politics...


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2014-02-05 03:50:26 PM  

nymersic: Z-clipped: Artisan

Wow, the comments here are amazingly clueless...
This didn't all start with "Maker Magazine", this all started with the hackerspace "movement" about a decade earlier.  Then some political correctness-obsessed morans decided that the term "hacker" involved too many negative connotations and that's the reason they didn't get the attention they wanted, so they looked for another term, and someone came up with with the sterile "maker" (ugh, always hated it).  These things are a lot more than craft faires, and comparing them to such is a bit silly.

So, btw, we're primarily talking about the oldschool meaning of "hacker" here, ie., people who take one thing and creatively modify it to suit another purpose, often in a very technical way.  Yeah, most of the stuff is arduinos and 3D printers, but it's generally far more elaborate than your average garage tinkerer's creations.

/been a member of the Buffalo hackerspace for 5 or 6 years... went to the first two NYC Maker Faires, and I still think they charge too much to enter :/
//also, all you people turning this into politics...


Yeah, they used to call those "hobby clubs" before the fancypants marketing brigade showed up.

Even the hackers did.
 
2014-02-05 03:51:47 PM  

dywed88: 2) A necessary part of a functioning society is that every generation pays costs to develop future generations.


Unless you're a neoconservative, in which case you cut your own taxes, and in the process run up a huge debt and then palm it off on your kids.
 
2014-02-05 03:53:52 PM  

redsquid: Z-clipped: someonelse:

What would you suggest re-naming Maker Faires so that people know they are attending that and not, say, an RV show?

They used to be called "craft fairs". Without the old-timey final 'e'.

I've been to a lot of craft fairs and they don't have robots, blacksmiths, ham radio hobbyists, taxidermists, game developers, musical instrument makers, math geeks, cosplayers or many of the other fields covered by a maker faire.
I'll be the first to admit that the term 'maker' is kind of awkward, but it's a catch-all that describes what we do pretty well. We are, however, here to do more than just make stuff. The fairs and other maker gatherings are for sharing our hobbies with other folks face to face. It's a great chance to network with like-minded folks and introduce noobs to what we do in a fun, encouraging environment. Unlike craft fairs where the focus is on selling things, our focus is on sharing what we do and how we do it. Most of our exhibitors don't sell anything- they just come out because they love what they do.
Our local fair has grown over the past few years and allowed us to build a community. We recently partnered with our local library system to open a 10,000 sq. ft. maker space. We will have a computer lab, an electronics workshop, a full production shop, an A/V studio, art space and classrooms. With schools falling behind and dropping art, shop and other elective programs we hope to step in and provide these kinds of educational opportunities, not just for kids but for the whole community.
I'd also like to point out that the name 'Maker Faire' is a registered trade mark of O'Reilly media. They charge an ever-increasing fee to use the name while giving very little support for the individual local fairs. Don't be surprised to see similar events with different names as people get fed up with the corporate overlord. Our next event in Tampa is called MakerCon. We kept 'Maker' because it's recognizable but at least we dropped the silly extra ...


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2014-02-05 03:56:48 PM  

Phinn: In Option 2 (earning it), wealth comes about because people pay for what they get, and don't rely on this attitude of endless guilt and debt and obligation. Earned wealth comes about because of trade. Productivity. Savings. Surpluses. Exchange. Quid pro quo. Contracts. Market alternatives -- if you don't like what I'm selling, you're free to find a better deal elsewhere.


Exchange?  Do you mean some sort of regulated system of currency?  What recourse do you have if someone commits fraud against you?

Trade?  Where do you think those roads, bridges, tunnels, and airports came from?

Savings?  Why, that would require a system of banks, preferably backed by the FDIC, and protected by federal, state, and local law enforcement.  Otherwise people wouldn't feel safe puttin gtheir money in them, and you'd have no one to make loans and pay interest.

Contracts?  Those are just pieces of paper unless you have a system of courts.

Market alternatives?  Surely you don't want anyone to steal your intellectual property.  Hrm.  If only there was some entity that could create and enforce a system of patents.

Markets?  How do you know what companies are even profitable enough to invest in?  Why can't they just make up any number they want and publish that?

Did that business take any SBIR loans?  Hire employees educated by the public schools and public universities?  Use technology that spun out of federal R&D investments?  Take advantage of national infrastructure?

But please keep thinking you're a special snowflake who did everything himself.  The rest of us matured past a child's view of the world revolving around them.
 
2014-02-05 04:06:56 PM  

redsquid: willfullyobscure: CheetahOlivetti: baconbeard: anfrind: Z-clipped: someonelse:

What would you suggest re-naming Maker Faires so that people know they are attending that and not, say, an RV show?

They used to be called "craft fairs". Without the old-timey final 'e'.

Craft fairs are typically much smaller events, and they are devoid of the electronics, explosives, and other things that make the Maker Faires so much fun.

They should be called "People Who Bought an Arduino and Managed to Wire it Together Based on Some Schematic They Found on the Internet or in Make Magazine and now Consider Themselves Equal to Nicola Tesla" Fairs. But I guess that doesn't roll off the tongue as nicely.

When you're at the beach, do you kick over kids' sand castles?

I stand with baconbeard.


We used to call it "a hobby" and millions of americans created, tinkered, invented and made cool shiat in their garages and workshops, and nobody needed to call it "a movement" or wrap a shiatload of phoney baloney politicophilosophical nonsense around it.


Do you know these people literally call each other "Makers"? They have Makers' Meetings to talk about how cool it is to make stuff while not actually making any stuff. Make Magazine and others blatantly encourage this crap to drive ads and sales. they are snowflakes to the absolute max and INCREDIBLY annoying about it.


It's at least as bad as the Tactical Retards Trend that mean every moron wants to owns an AR-15 and thinks he's Seal Team 1 in digital BDUs at Walmart. Reminds me of when a bunch of social rejects decided to start calling themselves "Brights" because they could blog and take online IQ tests.

I've got an idea for you- how about actually knowing what the fark you're talking about?


I was sautering IC chips when they had transistors in the double digits and coding robots in LOGO before you were out of rubber pants, my lad. I remember when a con with 300 people in attendance was coast to coast news on the BBSes. I can whistle packet headers at 300baud and write assembly with my toes. I nailed the shingles on Dave Packard's garage. Richard Stallman looks up to ME for personal grooming advice. I've seen every geek, dork, nerd, neo maxi zoom dweebie fad come and go and I can smell marketing BS from outerspace.


You have snowflake syndrome and you people invented a bunch of words to make you feel like what you're doing is different and superior and socially conscious instead of just enjoying the privilege of being able to have a hobby.
 
2014-02-05 04:11:16 PM  

Phinn: The gist of these comments is, "Government made your wealth possible, so pay up, you stingy bastard."


Also known as "part of the reason The Founders chose the system they did" - to maximize personal profit withoutbeing subjected to the whims of a potentate interested only in their own personal growth (viz the Germanic League of the times, according to Madison).
 
2014-02-05 04:13:08 PM  

willfullyobscure: redsquid: willfullyobscure: CheetahOlivetti: baconbeard: anfrind: Z-clipped: someonelse:

What would you suggest re-naming Maker Faires so that people know they are attending that and not, say, an RV show?

They used to be called "craft fairs". Without the old-timey final 'e'.

Craft fairs are typically much smaller events, and they are devoid of the electronics, explosives, and other things that make the Maker Faires so much fun.

They should be called "People Who Bought an Arduino and Managed to Wire it Together Based on Some Schematic They Found on the Internet or in Make Magazine and now Consider Themselves Equal to Nicola Tesla" Fairs. But I guess that doesn't roll off the tongue as nicely.

When you're at the beach, do you kick over kids' sand castles?

I stand with baconbeard.


We used to call it "a hobby" and millions of americans created, tinkered, invented and made cool shiat in their garages and workshops, and nobody needed to call it "a movement" or wrap a shiatload of phoney baloney politicophilosophical nonsense around it.


Do you know these people literally call each other "Makers"? They have Makers' Meetings to talk about how cool it is to make stuff while not actually making any stuff. Make Magazine and others blatantly encourage this crap to drive ads and sales. they are snowflakes to the absolute max and INCREDIBLY annoying about it.


It's at least as bad as the Tactical Retards Trend that mean every moron wants to owns an AR-15 and thinks he's Seal Team 1 in digital BDUs at Walmart. Reminds me of when a bunch of social rejects decided to start calling themselves "Brights" because they could blog and take online IQ tests.

I've got an idea for you- how about actually knowing what the fark you're talking about?

I was sautering IC chips when they had transistors in the double digits and coding robots in LOGO before you were out of rubber pants, my lad. I remember when a con with 300 people in attendance was coast to coast news on the BBSes. I ca ...


I'm sure your sautering skills are bulletproof. You may want to try soldering ic sockets instead if ics, though. Just a pro tip.
 
2014-02-05 04:13:30 PM  

willfullyobscure: I was sautering IC chips when they had transistors in the double digits and coding robots in LOGO before you were out of rubber pants, my lad. I remember when a con with 300 people in attendance was coast to coast news on the BBSes. I can whistle packet headers at 300baud and write assembly with my toes. I nailed the shingles on Dave Packard's garage. Richard Stallman looks up to ME for personal grooming advice. I've seen every geek, dork, nerd, neo maxi zoom dweebie fad come and go and I can smell marketing BS from outerspace.


The win in this paragraph brought tears to my eyes.

redsquid: I've been to a lot of craft fairs and they don't have robots, blacksmiths, ham radio hobbyists, taxidermists, game developers, musical instrument makers, math geeks, cosplayers or many of the other fields covered by a maker faire.


Fine.  "Modern craft fair".
 
2014-02-05 04:18:25 PM  

willfullyobscure: redsquid: willfullyobscure: CheetahOlivetti: baconbeard: anfrind: Z-clipped: someonelse:

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I was sautering IC chips when they had transistors in the double digits and coding robots in LOGO before you were out of rubber pants, my lad. I remember when a con with 300 people in attendance was coast to coast news on the BBSes. I can whistle packet headers at 300baud and write assembly with my toes. I nailed the shingles on Dave Packard's garage. Richard Stallman looks up to ME for personal grooming advice. I've seen every geek, dork, nerd, neo maxi zoom dweebie fad come and go and I can smell marketing BS from outerspace.

You have snowflake syndrome and you people invented a bunch of words to make you feel like what you're doing is different and superior and socially conscious instead of just enjoying the privilege of being able to have a hobby.


For some reason, I'd think that you'd know it's spelled "soldering" if you actually knew what you were talking about...
 
2014-02-05 04:19:14 PM  

Dr Dreidel: Phinn: The gist of these comments is, "Government made your wealth possible, so pay up, you stingy bastard."

Also known as "part of the reason The Founders chose the system they did" - to maximize personal profit withoutbeing subjected to the whims of a potentate interested only in their own personal growth (viz the Germanic League of the times, according to Madison).


Awesome.  Let's follow the Constitution, then.

The Federal Reserve is out.  Drug laws are out.  Most of the New Deal agencies and their successors are out.  Medicare, Obamacare, Social Security ... out, out, out.

If they are all so OBVIOUSLY popular and sensible, then I'm sure you'll have absolutely no problem enacting Constitutional amendments (pursuant to the amendment procedures that are conveniently listed in the very same document) authorizing these federal actions.
 
2014-02-05 04:21:39 PM  

nymersic: So, btw, we're primarily talking about the oldschool meaning of "hacker" here, ie., people who take one thing and creatively modify it to suit another purpose, often in a very technical way.


Just for the sake of being pedantic, it's worth noting that this more general definition of "hacker" is much newer than the MIT usage, not older.  Before the 1960s, a hacker was someone who was particularly bad at something.
 
2014-02-05 04:22:46 PM  

willfullyobscure: I was sautering IC chips when they had transistors in the double digits and coding robots in LOGO before you were out of rubber pants, my lad. I remember when a con with 300 people in attendance was coast to coast news on the BBSes. I can whistle packet headers at 300baud and write assembly with my toes. I nailed the shingles on Dave Packard's garage. Richard Stallman looks up to ME for personal grooming advice. I've seen every geek, dork, nerd, neo maxi zoom dweebie fad come and go and I can smell marketing BS from outerspace.


You do realize that being in the 'I was doing this before it was cool' camp just makes you a hipster, right?
 
2014-02-05 04:23:45 PM  

Wellon Dowd: This, ladies and gentlemen, is why God invented the internet: http://renfaireboobs.com/


Only got about 4 pages in, but, there's a whole lot of "Renaissance, No Thanks!", in those pictures.
 
2014-02-05 04:24:39 PM  
Pitabred:

For some reason, I'd think that you'd know it's spelled "soldering" if you actually knew what you were talking about...

Perhaps he was making IC chip scampi?
 
2014-02-05 04:25:57 PM  
For some reason, I'd think that you'd know it's spelled "soldering" if you actually knew what you were talking about...

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www.bigmessowires.com
 
2014-02-05 04:27:04 PM  

Phinn: Awesome. Let's follow the Constitution, then.

The Federal Reserve is out. Drug laws are out. Most of the New Deal agencies and their successors are out. Medicare, Obamacare, Social Security ... out, out, out.


Section 8: "The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States."

Seems like Congress is allowed to pass laws that they think improves the general welfare of the nation, so those are OK too.  They're subject to review by the courts, but since SCOTUS has approved of everything you've mentioned, I think we can move on.
 
2014-02-05 04:32:06 PM  

someonelse: anfrind: someonelse: Z-clipped: someonelse:

What would you suggest re-naming Maker Faires so that people know they are attending that and not, say, an RV show?

They used to be called "craft fairs". Without the old-timey final 'e'.

The old-timey 'e' is the thing that bugs me, too. You're right, we already had a perfectly good name for them with "craft fair." We still have those in my neck of the woods. But I kind of assume (maybe wrongly) that unlike craft fairs, the stuff on display at maker faires isn't for sale, and if I go to one I won't be leaving with any crocheted snowflakes or a purse with a bird on it or a knitted head-thing that's not quite a hat and not quite a headband.

I've been to the Maker Faire in San Mateo.  There's lots of stuff for sale, but they tend to be more sciencey things: Arduino kits, EL wire, specialized nozzles to make a Diet Coke and Mentos fountain obtain a higher altitude, etc.

Do people sell the stuff they've made, or is it mainly people selling stuff to make other stuff with?


Some of each, actually.  The two main areas for buying and selling things are the TechShop pavilion and the Bazaar Bizarre.  The Bazaar Bizarre tends toward crafty, ready-made things; for example, a few years ago I purchased a few tins of locally-made tea blends (and they was very good).

The TechShop pavilion is more geared toward people who want to make their own high-tech toys, and has the sorts of products I mentioned earlier (parts, kits, etc.).  TechShop also has an online store, so if you want a part or kit now, you don't have to wait for the next Maker Faire.

Side-note: there is also an area dedicated to Steampunk, but there's not nearly as much cleavage on display as at a typical RenFaire.
 
2014-02-05 04:33:35 PM  

anfrind: Some of each, actually.  The two main areas for buying and selling things are the TechShop pavilion and the Bazaar Bizarre.  The Bazaar Bizarre tends toward crafty, ready-made things; for example, a few years ago I purchased a few tins of locally-made tea blends (and they were very good).


Dammit, forgot to proofread after reformatting my post.
 
2014-02-05 04:34:17 PM  

chimp_ninja: Phinn: Awesome. Let's follow the Constitution, then.

The Federal Reserve is out. Drug laws are out. Most of the New Deal agencies and their successors are out. Medicare, Obamacare, Social Security ... out, out, out.

Section 8: "The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States."

Seems like Congress is allowed to pass laws that they think improves the general welfare of the nation, so those are OK too.  They're subject to review by the courts, but since SCOTUS has approved of everything you've mentioned, I think we can move on.


The "general welfare" clause confers no powers.  If the Constitution had a catch-all delegation of authority to do WHATEVER THE HELL that very same government deemed in its own discretion to be "in the general welfare" of the country, then what would be the point of LISTING its enumerated powers?

They could have saved themselves a lot of time and debate and ink and parchment, if they'd just skipped over the specifics and said, "The federal government can do whatever it thinks is good."

And SCOTUS approval?  Yeah, they're infallible, right?

Please, think.  Use your head-jelly.  Be less of a government toady and general dumbass.
 
2014-02-05 04:39:39 PM  

chimp_ninja: Section 8: "The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States."

 
2014-02-05 04:42:49 PM  
The biggest problem with the denizens of Bullshiat Mountain is they act like their shiat don't stink. If they have success, they built it. If they failed, the government ruined it for 'em. If they get a break, they deserve it. If you get a break, it's a handout and an entitlement. It's a baffling, wilfully blind, cognitive dissonance best summed up by their head coach... [cue Craig T. Nelson derp]

-The Daily Show Rand Paul

/Chaos on Bullshiat Mountain
 
2014-02-05 04:43:52 PM  

Phinn: chimp_ninja: Phinn: Awesome. Let's follow the Constitution, then.

The Federal Reserve is out. Drug laws are out. Most of the New Deal agencies and their successors are out. Medicare, Obamacare, Social Security ... out, out, out.

Section 8: "The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States."

Seems like Congress is allowed to pass laws that they think improves the general welfare of the nation, so those are OK too.  They're subject to review by the courts, but since SCOTUS has approved of everything you've mentioned, I think we can move on.

The "general welfare" clause confers no powers.  If the Constitution had a catch-all delegation of authority to do WHATEVER THE HELL that very same government deemed in its own discretion to be "in the general welfare" of the country, then what would be the point of LISTING its enumerated powers?

They could have saved themselves a lot of time and debate and ink and parchment, if they'd just skipped over the specifics and said, "The federal government can do whatever it thinks is good."

And SCOTUS approval?  Yeah, they're infallible, right?

Please, think.  Use your head-jelly.  Be less of a government toady and general dumbass.


Following the Constitution is being a government toady?
And if we get rid of regulations, businesses will do the right thing out of the goodness ot their heart.
 
2014-02-05 04:49:10 PM  
Serious question: Do they really have cosplayers at Maker Faires?

/If so, that just confirms everything I've ever thought about them.
 
2014-02-05 04:56:21 PM  

Witty_Retort: Following the Constitution is being a government toady?
And if we get rid of regulations, businesses will do the right thing out of the goodness ot their heart.


No, being a government toady is (a) saying that whatever the federal government does is authorized by the General Welfare Clause, and (b) saying that whatever SCOTUS has rubber-stamped makes it legit.

"Get rid of regulations" .... All of them?  You've done an exhaustive analysis of all regulations and deemed them to be worthy and helpful, yes?

You do realize that 99% of "government regulations" are BOUGHT AND PAID FOR by the industries that own the government, right?  For their benefit, not yours.
 
2014-02-05 04:58:44 PM  

baconbeard: Serious question: Do they really have cosplayers at Maker Faires?

/If so, that just confirms everything I've ever thought about them.


The Google says "yes":

cincinnatimakerfaire.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-02-05 05:02:01 PM  

Z-clipped: baconbeard: Serious question: Do they really have cosplayers at Maker Faires?

/If so, that just confirms everything I've ever thought about them.

The Google says "yes":

[cincinnatimakerfaire.files.wordpress.com image 850x464]


Well. Looks like I'm vindicated. Maker's Faires are nothing more than attention-whore festivals where everyone tries to one-up each other with how "nerdy" they are.

/sad, really
 
2014-02-05 05:05:41 PM  

Phinn: Witty_Retort: Following the Constitution is being a government toady?
And if we get rid of regulations, businesses will do the right thing out of the goodness ot their heart.

No, being a government toady is (a) saying that whatever the federal government does is authorized by the General Welfare Clause, and (b) saying that whatever SCOTUS has rubber-stamped makes it legit.

"Get rid of regulations" .... All of them?  You've done an exhaustive analysis of all regulations and deemed them to be worthy and helpful, yes?

You do realize that 99% of "government regulations" are BOUGHT AND PAID FOR by the industries that own the government, right?  For their benefit, not yours.


99%?
 
2014-02-05 05:05:41 PM  

Phinn: Dr Dreidel: Phinn: The gist of these comments is, "Government made your wealth possible, so pay up, you stingy bastard."

Also known as "part of the reason The Founders chose the system they did" - to maximize personal profit without being subjected to the whims of a potentate interested only in their own personal growth (viz the Germanic League of the times, according to Madison).

Awesome.  Let's follow the Constitution, then.

The Federal Reserve is out.  Drug laws are out.  Most of the New Deal agencies and their successors are out.  Medicare, Obamacare, Social Security ... out, out, out.

If they are all so OBVIOUSLY popular and sensible, then I'm sure you'll have absolutely no problem enacting Constitutional amendments (pursuant to the amendment procedures that are conveniently listed in the very same document) authorizing these federal actions.


The reason it's called a SYSTEM of government - and one with the means for amending itself, at that - is that they set it into motion for their descendants to manage. Hell, they didn't want us to try and probe their minds like they were olde timey prophets.

The system was designed to facilitate commerce. The system was designed to be "improved" (modified, for better or worse). The system was designed to be handled and examined without holding a seance at Mount Vernon.

It would also mean direct election of Senators is out, slavery's back in, and it's debatable whether the Bill of Rights applies to the individual State governments - actually, there IS no Bill of Rights, as those are all AMENDMENTS - so no freedom of speech, or religion, and I get to legislate your guns out of existence.

So take your "originalism" and shove it.
 
2014-02-05 05:07:08 PM  

Phinn: You do realize that 99% of "government regulations" are BOUGHT AND PAID FOR by the industries that own the government, right?  For their benefit, not yours.


99%, huh?  *eyeroll*

Next, you can explain why the regulations that the GOP is most adamant about getting rid of all seem to fall in that "1%" that aren't bought by corporations.
 
2014-02-05 05:12:37 PM  

Phinn: a) saying that whatever the federal government does is authorized by the General Welfare Clause


Except that no one is saying that, numbnuts.  They're saying that congress has the power to levy taxes for the promotion of the general welfare, which (as the Founders intended) has a purposefully broad definition.
 
2014-02-05 05:12:40 PM  

baconbeard: Z-clipped: baconbeard: Serious question: Do they really have cosplayers at Maker Faires?

/If so, that just confirms everything I've ever thought about them.

The Google says "yes":

[cincinnatimakerfaire.files.wordpress.com image 850x464]

Well. Looks like I'm vindicated. Maker's Faires are nothing more than attention-whore festivals where everyone tries to one-up each other with how "nerdy" they are.

/sad, really


Here's a simple solution- stay home. See how easy that is?
 
2014-02-05 05:39:11 PM  

Dr Dreidel: Phinn: Dr Dreidel: Phinn: The gist of these comments is, "Government made your wealth possible, so pay up, you stingy bastard."

Also known as "part of the reason The Founders chose the system they did" - to maximize personal profit without being subjected to the whims of a potentate interested only in their own personal growth (viz the Germanic League of the times, according to Madison).

Awesome.  Let's follow the Constitution, then.

The Federal Reserve is out.  Drug laws are out.  Most of the New Deal agencies and their successors are out.  Medicare, Obamacare, Social Security ... out, out, out.

If they are all so OBVIOUSLY popular and sensible, then I'm sure you'll have absolutely no problem enacting Constitutional amendments (pursuant to the amendment procedures that are conveniently listed in the very same document) authorizing these federal actions.

The reason it's called a SYSTEM of government - and one with the means for amending itself, at that - is that they set it into motion for their descendants to manage. Hell, they didn't want us to try and probe their minds like they were olde timey prophets.

The system was designed to facilitate commerce. The system was designed to be "improved" (modified, for better or worse). The system was designed to be handled and examined without holding a seance at Mount Vernon.

It would also mean direct election of Senators is out, slavery's back in, and it's debatable whether the Bill of Rights applies to the individual State governments - actually, there IS no Bill of Rights, as those are all AMENDMENTS - so no freedom of speech, or religion, and I get to legislate your guns out of existence.

So take your "originalism" and shove it.


You're confused.

Originalism doesn't deny the legitimacy of Amendments that were duly passed and ratified.

Originalism holds that the reason we have an amendment procedure is because the meaning of the Constitution is what it meant at the time it was ratified.

It's kind of like a contract -- the text is the main place to look for an understanding of what the parties to the agreement actually agreed to.  To come along some time later, and say that a contract to pay $100 for a widget really meant that you promised to pay $1,000, because it was a "Living Contract that must change with the times" is to impose an obligation on someone that he didn't agree to.  It's unfair.

The text of the Constitution is what people agreed to.  If you believe in the legitimacy of the Constitution, then you must believe that the text means what the people who ratified it meant to say, at the time when they ratified those particular words.  Sometimes that means just reading the text itself, but if it's unclear, then the meaning can usually be derived from plenty of other contemporaneous sources, without resorting to a seance.  But the issue is, What did they who ratified it mean when then said ______?" Any other question is the wrong question to ask.

And, because there's an amendment procedure, that's how the meaning of various clauses gets changed.  If you don't like what some other set of dudes agreed that you (someone born several decades or centuries later) are bound to abide by, then go gather up enough like-minded people and amend it.

So, everything you said about direct election of senators and slavery and the Bill of Rights was entirely incorrect.

Also, as an interesting side note, the original understanding of the pre-Amended Constitution was that its powers were so narrow that an enumeration of rights was unnecessary.  The ratifiers recognized that people already had rights to free association and speech and the press and firearms and due process and all the rest, without having to list them.  They were all well-established rights in Anglo-American law by then, along with a few others, like the freedom of contract, free choice of one's occupation and a few other economic liberties that were omitted from the Bill of Rights (and have since been violated rampantly due to that oversight).

I guess they assumed that no one could be such a scum-sucking greedy asshole control freak that he'd help create a government that would make the elimination of basic economic liberty a central plank of its agenda, but then again, the framers of the Constitution hadn't met any Progressives, either.
 
2014-02-05 05:52:09 PM  

Phinn: Originalism holds that the reason we have an amendment procedure is because the meaning of the Constitution is what it meant at the time it was ratified.


Which you twist to be what you want it to mean.
 
2014-02-05 05:53:33 PM  

Phinn: The text of the Constitution is what people agreed to. If you believe in the legitimacy of the Constitution, then you must believe that the text means what the people who ratified it meant to say, at the time when they ratified those particular words.


Just to wrap this up, the Constitution was ratified by majorities of (free, male) citizens in 13 states - the better part of 3 million people in those 13 colonies/States were the ratifiers (they the people). The words probably had different meanings for each of them, and few of them (statistically, zero of them) ever got to ask the Framers what they meant.

So all we have is our best guess at what they "really" meant; whether that means digging up 18th-century dictionaries or using comparable case law or whatever - but don't pretend that any of these analytic tools give any better an answer (meaning "closer to the Platonic ideal of what the Framers meant" by a given phrase) than a plain reading of the text.

Anyway, getting back to the initial discussion, the point of this system (democratic republic) was to ensure stable self-rule, which would necessarily enhance trade and commerce (among other things). It also left lots of power in state hands - and aren't roads paid for by state-level Departments of Transportation, except when they're Interstates (and so covered by the Tenth)?

// oh, and hey, Article 1, section 8, clause 7 allows Congress "to establish...post roads"
// so think of all that asphalt as "post roads that everyone gets to use"
 
2014-02-05 05:56:43 PM  

theknuckler_33: Phinn: Originalism holds that the reason we have an amendment procedure is because the meaning of the Constitution is what it meant at the time it was ratified.

Which you twist to be what you want it to mean.


The important thing is to ask the right question -- What did the people who ratified this text mean when they ratified it?

Not "What do we tiny minority want it to mean now?"

Not "What should it have meant if they had the benefit of our superior wisdom and morality?"

Not "What do my crackpot economic theories tell me is a better text than what a bunch of dead white oppressors decided to agree to?

As long as we're debating the original meaning, then the urge to amend that meaning will naturally be channeled where it belongs -- into the Amendment process, not the Supreme Court nomination process.
 
2014-02-05 05:57:40 PM  

Phinn: The text of the Constitution is what people agreed to. If you believe in the legitimacy of the Constitution, then you must believe that the text means what the people who ratified it meant to say, at the time when they ratified those particular words. Sometimes that means just reading the text itself, but if it's unclear, then the meaning can usually be derived from plenty of other contemporaneous sources, without resorting to a seance. But the issue is, What did they who ratified it mean when then said ______?" Any other question is the wrong question to ask.


Oh, also: show me where in the Constitution it says that the words mean what they meant in 1789 (or in 1787, when it was first drafted? How about all the various sources Madison cribbed from - shall we examine those? Maybe Madison's read was wrong).

Seems to me, the Founders left the document in our hands to interpret as we please (subject to review by SCOTUS, etc).

// have a good one
// I'll be reading the Anti-Federalist Papers on the train home (finished Fed last week)
 
2014-02-05 06:00:26 PM  

Phinn: The ratifiers recognized that people already had rights to free association and speech and the press and firearms and due process and all the rest, without having to list them. They were all well-established rights in Anglo-American law by then, along with a few others, like the freedom of contract, free choice of one's occupation and a few other economic liberties that were omitted from the Bill of Rights (and have since been violated rampantly due to that oversight).


African Americans and women would like to have a word.
 
2014-02-05 06:02:08 PM  

theknuckler_33: Phinn: The ratifiers recognized that people already had rights to free association and speech and the press and firearms and due process and all the rest, without having to list them. They were all well-established rights in Anglo-American law by then, along with a few others, like the freedom of contract, free choice of one's occupation and a few other economic liberties that were omitted from the Bill of Rights (and have since been violated rampantly due to that oversight).

African Americans and women would like to have a word.


Pre-emptive apologies to your parenthetical text. But the fact that those things have been rectified is the entire point.
 
2014-02-05 06:02:23 PM  

Dr Dreidel: Just to wrap this up, the Constitution was ratified by majorities of (free, male) citizens in 13 states - the better part of 3 million people in those 13 colonies/States were the ratifiers (they the people). The words probably had different meanings for each of them, and few of them (statistically, zero of them) ever got to ask the Framers what they meant.

So all we have is our best guess at what they "really" meant; whether that means digging up 18th-century dictionaries or using comparable case law or whatever - but don't pretend that any of these analytic tools give any better an answer (meaning "closer to the Platonic ideal of what the Framers meant" by a given phrase) than a plain reading of the text.


You're right.  Obamacare actually means that I don't have to buy insurance or pay the penalty after all.  It's right there in the meaning of the text of the statute, as I read it.

Obamacare actually means I get a pony.


Dr Dreidel: // oh, and hey, Article 1, section 8, clause 7 allows Congress "to establish...post roads"
// so think of all that asphalt as "post roads that everyone gets to use"


And the establishment of post roads in no way supports the Warren/Obama theory of endless obligation to the government.  The benefits conferred by having roads (notwithstanding the 100 or so people who die on them daily due to their faulty design and rules of usage) does not justify more government control and expenditure.  It's the crappiest, most boot-strappy, circular "argument" I've heard in recent decades, and I've heard a lot of crap.
 
2014-02-05 06:02:44 PM  
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Batman likes that headline and I do too!  Good work subby!
 
2014-02-05 06:03:55 PM  

Phinn: theknuckler_33: Phinn: Originalism holds that the reason we have an amendment procedure is because the meaning of the Constitution is what it meant at the time it was ratified.

Which you twist to be what you want it to mean.

The important thing is to ask the right question -- What did the people who ratified this text mean when they ratified it?

Not "What do we tiny minority want it to mean now?"

Not "What should it have meant if they had the benefit of our superior wisdom and morality?"

Not "What do my crackpot economic theories tell me is a better text than what a bunch of dead white oppressors decided to agree to?

As long as we're debating the original meaning, then the urge to amend that meaning will naturally be channeled where it belongs -- into the Amendment process, not the Supreme Court nomination process.


Did they mean for women to  have the right to vote? Do you REALLY believe that they believed that women should have the right to vote at the time the constitution was formed?  It is pretty clear that they did not and those that came later realized that society had changed and that the framers were wrong.
 
2014-02-05 06:12:47 PM  

Dr Dreidel: Phinn: The text of the Constitution is what people agreed to. If you believe in the legitimacy of the Constitution, then you must believe that the text means what the people who ratified it meant to say, at the time when they ratified those particular words. Sometimes that means just reading the text itself, but if it's unclear, then the meaning can usually be derived from plenty of other contemporaneous sources, without resorting to a seance. But the issue is, What did they who ratified it mean when then said ______?" Any other question is the wrong question to ask.

Oh, also: show me where in the Constitution it says that the words mean what they meant in 1789 (or in 1787, when it was first drafted? How about all the various sources Madison cribbed from - shall we examine those? Maybe Madison's read was wrong).

Seems to me, the Founders left the document in our hands to interpret as we please (subject to review by SCOTUS, etc).

// have a good one
// I'll be reading the Anti-Federalist Papers on the train home (finished Fed last week)


A stable meaning of legal documents is implicit in the whole process of WRITING THINGS DOWN.

Of using WORDS to express LEGAL CONCEPTS.

Of going through the process of AGREEING to certain WORDS in the first place.

You know, like we do with every other aspect of law since writing was invented.  Contracts.  Wills.  Trusts.  Deeds.  Charters.  All legal acts that are expressed in written words.  In all of these situations, the operative principle is always to give legal effect to what the parties meant, as best we can determine by the text, and the next best contemporaneous sources if necessary.

To argue that the meaning of a legal text can (or should!) be changed by the opinion of the current government, when that current government was created and authorized to render opinions by that very same document, is patently absurd.
 
2014-02-05 06:15:31 PM  

theknuckler_33: Phinn: theknuckler_33: Phinn: Originalism holds that the reason we have an amendment procedure is because the meaning of the Constitution is what it meant at the time it was ratified.

Which you twist to be what you want it to mean.

The important thing is to ask the right question -- What did the people who ratified this text mean when they ratified it?

Not "What do we tiny minority want it to mean now?"

Not "What should it have meant if they had the benefit of our superior wisdom and morality?"

Not "What do my crackpot economic theories tell me is a better text than what a bunch of dead white oppressors decided to agree to?

As long as we're debating the original meaning, then the urge to amend that meaning will naturally be channeled where it belongs -- into the Amendment process, not the Supreme Court nomination process.

Did they mean for women to  have the right to vote? Do you REALLY believe that they believed that women should have the right to vote at the time the constitution was formed?  It is pretty clear that they did not and those that came later realized that society had changed and that the framers were wrong.


You're not following along.  Originalism does not oppose amendments.  It merely insists that the amendment procedure be followed, because it rejects the idea that the meaning of the Constitution mysteriously changes, automatically, according to what the current Supreme Court believes constitutes a good government policy.
 
2014-02-05 07:20:57 PM  

xanadian: baconbeard: While I think that building stuff is cool, anyone who refers to himself as a "Maker" should be taken out back and shot with the Bullets of Anti-Pretentiousness.

I'd rather be shot with sapphire bullets.  Bullets of pure love.


You've been bad and they're coming after you.
 
2014-02-06 02:27:14 AM  

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2014-02-06 02:14:25 PM  
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