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(NCSE)   Smoked Ham; or How Bill Nye won the debate. Hint: science   (ncse.com) divider line 60
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2014-02-05 04:04:57 PM
9 votes:
i.imgur.com
2014-02-05 11:07:56 AM
7 votes:

Princess Ryans Knickers: What Creationists believe:

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If this is the literal word of God then I have one answer: lions


Lions used those large, sharp canine teeth for shucking avocados back in Eden.  They were well known for making a mean guac for all the pre-sin garden socials.
2014-02-05 12:02:25 PM
5 votes:
i1.wp.com
2014-02-05 09:36:41 AM
5 votes:
Watched the whole thing. Basically, Bill Nye was playing an amazing chess game, but Ken Ham brought checkers pieces onto the board.
2014-02-05 09:45:25 AM
4 votes:
www.quickmeme.com
2014-02-05 09:36:51 AM
4 votes:

JusticeandIndependence: What better points were made by Ham?


Since creationism is obviously true, any points made in support of it are inherently better than points made against it.
2014-02-05 09:16:41 AM
4 votes:
img.fark.net
2014-02-05 02:40:41 PM
3 votes:

Fano: RedPhoenix122: lennavan: Sofa King Smart:
Bill Nye:  who wrote the bible?
Ken Ham: god.

Are there any Christians that believe God wrote the Bible?  I mean, the book of Matthew was written by... Matthew.  That's why it's referred to as "The Gospel According to Matthew."

He was only transcribing what God told him to.

/according to them.

What's a cubit?



i59.tinypic.com
2014-02-05 11:31:40 AM
3 votes:
Next up: The debate between a biologist and a Scientologist pundit regarding the existence of thetans.
2014-02-05 11:24:55 AM
3 votes:

China White Tea: If a grown-ass adult insists Santa Claus is real, does that warrant a televised debate?


whoa whoa whoa
Hold on one goddamn minute

What do you mean "if"
2014-02-05 11:13:53 AM
3 votes:

Princess Ryans Knickers: What Creationists believe:

[s3-ec.buzzfed.com image 625x441]

If this is the literal word of God then I have one answer: lions


encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com
2014-02-05 10:32:07 AM
3 votes:
Oh, also: rich ironing in that an Old Testament preacher is named HAM.

// don't touch his flesh, lest you become unclean
2014-02-05 10:17:32 AM
3 votes:

Herr Morgenstern: "This debate was painful. It was like watching an astrophysicist argue aerodynamics with a toddler as he blindly insists racing stripes make his scooccurred somewhere in the worldo faster."

Ugh, copy/paste fail (cell phones are my enemy).

"Scooter go faster" is what I was going for.


Actually I think that your first sentence summed up Ham's intellect quite nicely and made more sense than anything Ham said.
2014-02-05 09:54:08 AM
3 votes:
The real question is, did Bevets evolve into a rational person?
2014-02-05 09:53:14 AM
3 votes:

Chthonic Echoes: Meanwhile, Ham just recited the same tired arguments his audience has probably heard a hundred times already.


Yes, but, do you go to a Rolling Stones concert to hear them play their new album or to hear them play their greatest hits?
2014-02-05 09:46:46 AM
3 votes:

stuhayes2010: The only way to win is to stop arguing with these people.


A strange game. The only winning move is not to play.
2014-02-05 11:21:12 PM
2 votes:

skeevy420: ReverendJasen: Princess Ryans Knickers: What Creationists believe:

[s3-ec.buzzfed.com image 625x441]

If this is the literal word of God then I have one answer: lions

Lions used those large, sharp canine teeth for shucking avocados back in Eden.  They were well known for making a mean guac for all the pre-sin garden socials.

And here I was told they used their teeth to make holes in coconuts to drink the milk.


You put a lion with a coconut and he'll drink it all up?
2014-02-05 12:34:27 PM
2 votes:

Mad Tea Party: Did Bevets get banned? Why? I always assumed he either passed away or got bored with copypasting.


probably because spamming your own website is not kosher unless you are giving a cut to fark
2014-02-05 12:22:08 PM
2 votes:

Mikey1969: Nye prepared well. On the way to the venue, he picked up a piece of limestone from the roadside, with a fossil in it

Jesus... They were pretty easy to find at the North Rim, but even there, I had to be climbing down the face of the cliffs most of the time, I've never been able to just pull over and grab a fossil. Very cool.


Obviously God guided his hand to the fossil.
2014-02-05 11:25:52 AM
2 votes:

JusticeandIndependence: I drunk what: regardless of ham making better points

What better points were made by Ham?


Ham is delicious.

And now it comes in Kosher flavors.

i457.photobucket.com
2014-02-05 11:00:04 AM
2 votes:

I would love to see this guy debate Creationists

www.astrobio.net


Brother Guy Consolmagno SJ. Head of the Vatican's meteorite collection, one the largest in the world. And I dare Hamm to try to debate Bible theory with him.
2014-02-05 10:08:50 AM
2 votes:
But how did Nye deal with the banana argument?
2014-02-05 09:55:55 AM
2 votes:
Awesome!
For our next battle, Chuck Liddell will be fighting a sloth with 3 broken legs!
2014-02-05 09:27:21 AM
2 votes:

I drunk what: this round goes to Nye (secular science) for being able to keep better composure, regardless of ham making better points and actually defending them (though dodging a few important items)...


2/10. Hits the right nerves, but what kills it is it's the same nerves that are jackhammered to numbness by creationists themselves.
2014-02-05 08:14:03 AM
2 votes:
Nobody won the debate.  The creationist was "not even wrong"
2014-02-06 02:18:59 PM
1 votes:

I drunk what: does anyone speak IBtard, because i can't tell if this is a 'yes' or a 'no' ....?


I'm pretty sure you are completely fluent in all 'tard' languages.
2014-02-06 01:04:42 AM
1 votes:
If we come from parents why are there still parents?
2014-02-05 11:40:23 PM
1 votes:

Waldo Pepper: I fully believe sex is a wonder gift from God and no other creature on this planet gets the joy out of it the way humans are gifted with the experience.this is my last word on it for this thread. I grow tired of the circle jerk these threads become for some farkers.


Pigs have a 30-minute orgasm. *drops mic, walks off*
2014-02-05 07:40:39 PM
1 votes:
Me: The Universe is 13.7 billion years old.
Them: Were you there?
Me: Yes.
Them: Prove it.
Me: The Lord told me it's flat none of your business.
Me: I win. The end.

/Jimmy Swaggart
2014-02-05 06:41:15 PM
1 votes:

I drunk what: what is nature?


It's a science journal.
/that was easy
2014-02-05 04:04:35 PM
1 votes:
Yeah I'd test the "do not stick your dick in crazy" hypothesis with her:

img.fark.net
2014-02-05 03:59:51 PM
1 votes:

I'll just leave these here:


i.imgur.com
i.imgur.com
i.imgur.com
i.imgur.com


Checkmate, evolutionists.
2014-02-05 03:29:00 PM
1 votes:

Epicedion: Pentaxian: I would love to see this guy debate Creationists[www.astrobio.net image 492x678]
Brother Guy Consolmagno SJ. Head of the Vatican's meteorite collection, one the largest in the world. And I dare Hamm to try to debate Bible theory with him.

Creationist response:

[www.ernestangley.org image 220x275]


I have learned that asking a creationist how they have ascertained, accurately, that what they claim "God" to have stated was in fact stated by "God" causes them to express anger.
2014-02-05 01:55:55 PM
1 votes:
img.fark.net
2014-02-05 01:16:58 PM
1 votes:
Ken Ham:  the answer is in the bible... and the bible is the word of god.
Bill Nye:  who wrote the bible?
Ken Ham: god.
Bill Nye: you weren't there.  You didn't see it.   checkmate.
2014-02-05 01:14:11 PM
1 votes:

CJHardin: RedPhoenix122: Epicedion: Aren't they?  Aren't they?

No, I blame the U.S. and U.K. as well.

I blame Obama.


You guys don't realize it.  Gordon Lightfoot and Celine Dion were TEST BALLOONS!

Canada is coming for your babies, America!
2014-02-05 01:04:40 PM
1 votes:

RedPhoenix122: Or all Canadians are responsible for Justin Bieber.


Aren't they?  Aren't they?
2014-02-05 01:03:13 PM
1 votes:

ikanreed: sprawl15: /r/atheism

Now all atheists have to answer for reddit?  My god, that's like pretending all Christians participated in the holocaust.


Or all Canadians are responsible for Justin Bieber.
2014-02-05 01:01:37 PM
1 votes:

sprawl15: /r/atheism


Now all atheists have to answer for reddit?  My god, that's like pretending all Christians participated in the holocaust.
2014-02-05 12:42:23 PM
1 votes:

SovietCanuckistan: CJHardin: And this is one from their side.

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I did not realize tentacle porn has such a diverse audience.


I did.
2014-02-05 12:40:41 PM
1 votes:

Egoy3k: CJHardin: Egoy3k: CJHardin: And this is one from their side.

[wp.patheos.com.s3.amazonaws.com image 850x291]

Do they honestly believe that a 'naturalistic worldview' and 'worldly thinking' are bad things?

Being raised Southern Baptist I can tell you that they absolutely do.

Wow.  If I had kids and my less than 10 year old (going by the age I guess the cartoon is representing) had a naturalistic worldview and exhibited worldly thinking I'm be damn proud of him or her.


A naturalistic worldview and worldly thinking are a waste of time because you already have the answer, and it's Jesus Christ, our personal Lord and Savior.  The only thing that you need to think about is how we can stop this war on Christians and our Christian values.  Just look at all these gays and atheists and people dancing!!!!    Lord we call upon you in the name of your Holy Son to help us win this war on these sinners.  Praise be your name, in Jesus name we pray, Amen.

*Pass the offering plate and vote your values*

/I got better
2014-02-05 12:32:17 PM
1 votes:

Saiga410: sxacho: I've argued my YEC next door neighbor a bunch of times about all this while his daughters were at the table. I don't know if this is commonplace, though. He's the only one I really know.

I have never had the chance to argue with a YEC.  Are these agruements only locked into the age of the universe and past evolution.  I am more than happy to let people believe what they want for stuff in the past but moving forward do you agree that current science theories best explain the universe as we know how it works now.  Yes, OK nothing to talk about now.


There were a couple in my basic training flight. One who didn't really hold it as a religious worldview but thought it was corrupt scientists following massive piles of money. He was otherwise quite bright and skeptical. Turns out his teacher was sacked for refusing to teach evolution. The other...we stopped talking to him about evolution and that when he dropped the "homosexuality is a psychological disorder" bomb, and started railing on him for that one.
2014-02-05 12:18:07 PM
1 votes:

BeesNuts: Let Ham spew his completely crazy shiat all over. Give him the BIGGEST platform we can, and challenge him constantly. Letting him do it in peace and private comes at a cost as well.


That was how I felt about Sarah Palin and I assumed she would be laughed away into nothingness.  Turned out that wasn't the smartest strategy.
2014-02-05 11:21:18 AM
1 votes:
I said this yesterday

There was no debate.

It was a farce, a dog and pony show so that Ken Ham, creationist asshole numero uno, could point to this and say "See, I'm a real scientist, I got to sit down at the grown up table."
2014-02-05 11:17:14 AM
1 votes:

Epicedion: China White Tea: This.  If a grown-ass adult insists Santa Claus is real, does that warrant a televised debate?  No.  You smile and nod and say, "That's nice, is that an hors d'oeuvres  tray over there?" and wander off.  You're dealing with someone who has a powerful  need believe a fantasy.  Their entire understanding of both the world and their own identity rely on it.  You're not getting any traction there, save your breath.

If a third of the population insists Santa Claus is real and starts trying to spend government money on infrastructure to support Santa, someone needs to say something.


Stay out of shopping malls from October to January, man.  Your head'll asplode.
2014-02-05 11:10:02 AM
1 votes:
I watched  the debate.  Entering into the fray on the side of science but Hamm convinced me.  I am a new convert.
2014-02-05 10:39:16 AM
1 votes:
I'd like a debate between different religions about how the Earth was created. "My book says God did it." "Well my book says it's the blood of a titan." "It's clearly turtles all the way down!"
2014-02-05 10:31:29 AM
1 votes:

I drunk what: so in other words the typical YEC methodology of one step forward two steps back, which the foxnews crowd eats right up



Fish are sinners!
2014-02-05 10:31:10 AM
1 votes:

Ambitwistor: [www.quickmeme.com image 625x351]


www.piccer.nl

Click for uncensored
2014-02-05 10:19:13 AM
1 votes:
Lots of people talk to their food.
2014-02-05 10:14:12 AM
1 votes:

MayoSlather: Nye didn't attack the Bible enough. Ham's whole argument centered around every last word being true. All Nye had to do was point out that Christians don't even buy into all the evil shiat in there, and if they didn't believe any part wasn't true then why should they buy into every word of genesis.

Plus he never hit on the idea that by Ham merely pointing out any mystery in science, it doesn't automatically lead to the conclusion that christianity is automatically correct, which Ham did over and over.


I don't think Nye can match Martin Sheen in his delivery.
2014-02-05 10:13:37 AM
1 votes:
"This debate was painful. It was like watching an astrophysicist argue aerodynamics with a toddler as he blindly insists racing stripes make his scooccurred somewhere in the worldo faster."

Ugh, copy/paste fail (cell phones are my enemy).

"Scooter go faster" is what I was going for.
2014-02-05 10:08:37 AM
1 votes:
My favorite part of Ham's argument was him naming people who believe the same thing he does (most of them are in his employ it seems) and not being able to get past 6 or so.  It was almost like he was waiting for all of our light bulbs to turn on once he named enough.
2014-02-05 10:08:07 AM
1 votes:
This debate was painful. It was like watching an astrophysicist argue aerodynamics with a toddler as he blindly insists racing stripes make his scooccurred somewhere in the worldo faster.

Seriously, every time Ham said "You know, Bill, there's this book you may have heard of..." and didn't get punched in the face, a small earthquake occured somewhere in the world to balance out the lack of gravitational shift.
2014-02-05 09:58:27 AM
1 votes:
2014-02-05 09:51:06 AM
1 votes:
Debate, what debate? There's nothing to 'debate'. The two topics aren't even related, putting this creationist on the same stage with science is a joke.

If you argue with a creationist, you're still retarded.
2014-02-05 09:43:57 AM
1 votes:

Chthonic Echoes: Nye did well.  He seized the opportunity to force-feed science to a captive audience (2.5 hours of "I'm not trapped in here with you.  You're trapped in here with me!") who would not otherwise have heard it.  He may not have changed any minds, but he might have put some cracks in some walls.

Meanwhile, Ham just recited the same tired arguments his audience has probably heard a hundred times already.



I think you're giving creationists far more credit than they deserve.
2014-02-05 09:36:31 AM
1 votes:
Nye was wright, but Ham was a consistent manipulative liar.  The end.
2014-02-05 09:33:40 AM
1 votes:

Three Crooked Squirrels: Not for nothing, but it is hard to accept the opinion that Bill Nye won the debate from a guy that helped him prep for the debate.


It's also hard to accept that a debate between creationism and science was held and people feel the need to seriously discuss who "won".
2014-02-05 09:22:49 AM
1 votes:
meh

i'm sure many minds were changed as a result of that thoughtful and insightful debate, notsureifserious.jpg

1 question

can any butt hurt anti-theist evolutionists admit they can recognize the difference between observational science and historical science yet?

won't hold my breath

in the mean time, over zealous YEC need to remember that in professional public debates that focus on SCIENCE, they need to keep their "the power of jebus compels YOU" to a minimum

this round goes to Nye (secular science) for being able to keep better composure, regardless of ham making better points and actually defending them (though dodging a few important items)...
 
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