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2014-02-05 10:45:32 AM
We should invade the country that all this heroin is coming from.
 
2014-02-05 10:45:44 AM

Well I use Mac/Linux...: RussianPooper: Well I use Mac/Linux...: RussianPooper: Well I use Mac/Linux...: I cant stand all the idolizing of this guy after his OD.  I see him being called a genius everywhere.  A genius wouldn't OD on heroin and leave his kids without a dad.  A farking moron would do that.

I can't stand people who continue to think that people who get addicted do so out of a lack of intelligence. Although it's a nice simple answer for nice simple people.

Yup, I'm the simple one who hasn't killed himself by injecting a lethal substance into his arm. If only I could be as bright as dear old Phil.

So, for the record, in your mind, only stupid people get addicted, but if a smart  person does get addicted, you don't want to be smart because that means you would get addicted. Well, whatever gets you through the day. Reminds me of church logic.

Only a stupid person would try it in the first place, so in a way, yes.  Only stupid people get addicted.


It must be very easy to be you. I would imagine it's comforting to live within such a simple template.
 
2014-02-05 10:46:54 AM

Well I use Mac/Linux...: RussianPooper:

So, for the record, in your mind, only stupid people get addicted, but if a smart  person does get addicted, you don't want to be smart because that means you would get addicted. Well, whatever gets you through the day. Reminds me of church logic.

Only a stupid person would try it in the first place, so in a way, yes.  Only stupid people get addicted.



There is a whole cross-section of normal, productive members of society that became addicted to legal, prescribed painkillers.  Laws changed and many of those legitimate prescriptions from pain clinics were cut off, and those addicted people were left with no support.

It's not as simple as just "quitting" for those people, and they were doing what a doctor told them to do. We've been taught as a culture to trust doctors because they know better than us.

Those people didn't say "I'm going to become a farking junkie today" and just start using needles. You don't understand that though, and you're not interested in hearing the uncomfortable truth that has become reality in our society.

You're an ignorant moron with a myopic world view, who thinks you know how the world works. fark you.
 
2014-02-05 10:52:04 AM
LOL.  I have a twisted world view that people are stupid to do lethal drugs.  I must be high myself!
 
2014-02-05 10:57:13 AM

Well I use Mac/Linux...: LOL.  I have a twisted world view that people are stupid to do lethal drugs.  I must be high myself!


Better pray you never get in an serious accident or require a surgery that requires prescription narcotics.

When you talk to people who use heroin today, almost all of them will tell you that their opioid addiction began with exposure to painkillers, says Dr. Andrew Kolodny, chief medical officer for the Phoenix House Foundation and president of Physicians for Responsible Opioid Prescribing.

Kolodny says the statistics are stark. Areas with the highest rates of opioid or heroin addiction are often wealthier areas, where people have more access to medical care.


http://www.wbur.org/npr/271591524/spike-in-heroin-use-can-be-traced- to -prescription-pads
 
2014-02-05 10:59:19 AM
There is no apologizing in Internet, but I also was more harsh than necessary with my earlier response. It's unreasonable for me to assume that too much about people's experiences thus far in life.
 
2014-02-05 11:00:17 AM

Pangea: Well I use Mac/Linux...: LOL.  I have a twisted world view that people are stupid to do lethal drugs.  I must be high myself!

Better pray you never get in an serious accident or require a surgery that requires prescription narcotics.

When you talk to people who use heroin today, almost all of them will tell you that their opioid addiction began with exposure to painkillers, says Dr. Andrew Kolodny, chief medical officer for the Phoenix House Foundation and president of Physicians for Responsible Opioid Prescribing.

Kolodny says the statistics are stark. Areas with the highest rates of opioid or heroin addiction are often wealthier areas, where people have more access to medical care.

http://www.wbur.org/npr/271591524/spike-in-heroin-use-can-be-traced- to -prescription-pads



Better get him some binoculars so he can read that article from way up on his pedestal.
 
2014-02-05 11:02:29 AM

devildog123: stirfrybry: Some of us are more equal than others

Wow, way to notice.  I think it's only been that way since the beginning of mankind.  Why would anyone be surprised by this?


Why would anyone be complacent about it.
 
2014-02-05 11:04:07 AM

Pangea: There is no apologizing in Internet, but I also was more harsh than necessary with my earlier response. It's unreasonable for me to assume that too much about people's experiences thus far in life.


No worries.
 
2014-02-05 11:06:36 AM

someonelse: ristst: Nevertheless, heroin is just one of those things that everyone...*everyone*...knows is incredibly, dangerously addictive. If a person is using it, they went into that situation fully aware of the risks.

Everyone knows that a sedentary lifestyle and a diet of chili cheese fries and pepsi will kill you, too. It's still normal to be sad when it does.


I never said "fark him, he deserved it".  Merely that in the information age we exist in, NO ONE can say truthfully they are unaware of the dangers related to heroin.

/lots of farkers *have* said "fark him, he deserved it"...please go chide them
 
2014-02-05 11:15:22 AM
For the record, I agree that Phil Hoffman is an idiot because he found recovery and lived it for over 20 years.

He knew the risks and he took them anyway.

I mostly feel bad for everyday Americans who are being prescribed into addiction by our infallible pharmaceutical industry. That's the true nightmare and this problem is going to get a lot worse before it gets better.

Until we can develop a sensible treatment program and reduce the stigma associated with being an addict, many lives will be ruined.
 
2014-02-05 11:23:49 AM

Tsar_Bomba1: [i.imgur.com image 640x640]


chirho.me

 
2014-02-05 11:31:44 AM

Tsar_Bomba1:


Ha!!!!
 
2014-02-05 11:35:55 AM
All I have to say on the subject is that from what I have read he suffered with this addiction since college age.  That's a kid in my book.  He has stated in interviews that he was scared he would die.  The world didn't just lose an American actor.  He was currently the best American actor.  That is what makes me sad.
 
2014-02-05 11:46:54 AM

Pangea: For the record, I agree that Phil Hoffman is an idiot because he found recovery and lived it for over 20 years.

He knew the risks and he took them anyway.

I mostly feel bad for everyday Americans who are being prescribed into addiction by our infallible pharmaceutical industry. That's the true nightmare and this problem is going to get a lot worse before it gets better.

Until we can develop a sensible treatment program and reduce the stigma associated with being an addict, many lives will be ruined.


I think that is a good point. I believe the "addiction is a disease" only insofar as the addict has never been educated about it. I think once an addict has the knowledge and tools learned from going through a program that the choice to use in the future becomes a choice. Yes the craving may always be there but you know what will happen if you pick up and it is really irresponsible to do so.
 
2014-02-05 11:53:08 AM

Well I use Mac/Linux...: RussianPooper: Well I use Mac/Linux...: RussianPooper: Well I use Mac/Linux...: I cant stand all the idolizing of this guy after his OD.  I see him being called a genius everywhere.  A genius wouldn't OD on heroin and leave his kids without a dad.  A farking moron would do that.

I can't stand people who continue to think that people who get addicted do so out of a lack of intelligence. Although it's a nice simple answer for nice simple people.

Yup, I'm the simple one who hasn't killed himself by injecting a lethal substance into his arm. If only I could be as bright as dear old Phil.

So, for the record, in your mind, only stupid people get addicted, but if a smart  person does get addicted, you don't want to be smart because that means you would get addicted. Well, whatever gets you through the day. Reminds me of church logic.

Only a stupid person would try it in the first place, so in a way, yes.  Only stupid people get addicted.


What a petty, small minded person you are.

http://www.erowid.org/culture/characters/characters_drug_use.shtml
 
2014-02-05 11:54:18 AM

Tsar_Bomba1: [i.imgur.com image 640x640]


Holy cats, that's evil!  :D
 
2014-02-05 12:04:51 PM
So if we are to excuse away his drug use, shouldn't we excuse away the providers? Seems only fair.
 
2014-02-05 12:08:44 PM

Whodat: So if we are to excuse away his drug use, shouldn't we excuse away the providers? Seems only fair.


They are only being looked at because he's a celebrity.
I had a friend who, after 7 years of sobriety, thought he could have 1 more shot, and it killed him. $10 worth. I told the police who showed up exactly who sold it to him and their response was, "He was an adult, there's nothing we can do."
 
2014-02-05 12:09:19 PM

AntonChigger: styckx: They make drug arrests all the time. You just don't hear about it because no one gives a shiat who killed Tyron

Pretty much this.


Tyron was my homeboy.
 
2014-02-05 12:14:29 PM

lewismarktwo: Well I use Mac/Linux...: RussianPooper: Well I use Mac/Linux...: I cant stand all the idolizing of this guy after his OD.  I see him being called a genius everywhere.  A genius wouldn't OD on heroin and leave his kids without a dad.  A farking moron would do that.

I can't stand people who continue to think that people who get addicted do so out of a lack of intelligence. Although it's a nice simple answer for nice simple people.

Yup, I'm the simple one who hasn't killed himself by injecting a lethal substance into his arm. If only I could be as bright as dear old Phil.

Haha, you think you have free will.  I could have you sucking dick for a fingernail sized lump of cut to shiat Heroin within six months.


thecriticalcritics.com
 
2014-02-05 12:16:19 PM

flynn80: We should invade the country that all this heroin is coming from.


Britain?
 
2014-02-05 12:43:09 PM
Meh.

I once brought my bike into the wine shop at the corner of 70th & Amsterdam.  Left the bike in the little mud room by the cashiers, grabbed the bottle I wanted, and when i turned around, bike was gone. People from the shop pretended I was invisible when I asked if they saw anything or if we could look at their security cameras' videos.  So I called the local precinct.  They told me they were sending an unit. 30 minutes later, and nobody showing up, I waved the next police car that drove by.  When I explained what had happened, cop takes a deep breath, looks at me straight in the eye, then asks "and what the fark do you want me to do about it?", then drives off.
 
2014-02-05 12:46:39 PM
In the USA money buys justice. News at 11.

/ric romero
 
2014-02-05 12:56:47 PM

Schmoppo: Whodat: So if we are to excuse away his drug use, shouldn't we excuse away the providers? Seems only fair.

They are only being looked at because he's a celebrity.
I had a friend who, after 7 years of sobriety, thought he could have 1 more shot, and it killed him. $10 worth. I told the police who showed up exactly who sold it to him and their response was, "He was an adult, there's nothing we can do."


yep. I wonder how many people OD'd that week Hoffman offed himself. It is the same thing as when a little blond chick goes missing.

And no Loaf's Tray, you couldn't.
 
2014-02-05 12:57:20 PM
The damage is done.   BFD.
 
2014-02-05 12:59:45 PM
Investigators discovered close to 50 envelopes of what they believed was heroin in the apartment

OK, I'm gonna be right up front and admit that I know little about heroin, but ISN'T THIS A LOT OF HEROIN?
 
2014-02-05 01:03:52 PM

Mikey1969: Investigators discovered close to 50 envelopes of what they believed was heroin in the apartment

OK, I'm gonna be right up front and admit that I know little about heroin, but ISN'T THIS A LOT OF HEROIN?



They were Metric envelopes.  The conversion rate is throwing you off.
 
2014-02-05 01:08:10 PM

billiamaire: All I have to say on the subject is that from what I have read he suffered with this addiction since college age.  That's a kid in my book.  He has stated in interviews that he was scared he would die.  The world didn't just lose an American actor.  He was currently the best American actor.  That is what makes me sad.


Al Pacino died along with Robert Dinero?
 
2014-02-05 01:22:04 PM

Tsar_Bomba1: [i.imgur.com image 640x640]


What celebrity needs to die to get the Eagles a championship, Will Smith?
 
2014-02-05 01:35:32 PM

mcreadyblue: billiamaire: All I have to say on the subject is that from what I have read he suffered with this addiction since college age.  That's a kid in my book.  He has stated in interviews that he was scared he would die.  The world didn't just lose an American actor.  He was currently the best American actor.  That is what makes me sad.

Al Pacino died along with Robert Dinero?


When was the last time either one of them made a decent film? De Niro, in particular, would have to pull of a Godfather II level accomplishment in order to atone for those Fockers bullshiat festivals.
 
2014-02-05 01:43:23 PM

thurstonxhowell: mcreadyblue: billiamaire: All I have to say on the subject is that from what I have read he suffered with this addiction since college age.  That's a kid in my book.  He has stated in interviews that he was scared he would die.  The world didn't just lose an American actor.  He was currently the best American actor.  That is what makes me sad.

Al Pacino died along with Robert Dinero?

When was the last time either one of them made a decent film? De Niro, in particular, would have to pull of a Godfather II level accomplishment in order to atone for those Fockers bullshiat festivals.


Well, you might have a point there. Neither of them has been. in anything as good as Hunger Games: Catching Fire or Hunger Games: Mockingjay Part I in several years.
 
2014-02-05 01:50:17 PM

mcreadyblue: thurstonxhowell: mcreadyblue: billiamaire: All I have to say on the subject is that from what I have read he suffered with this addiction since college age.  That's a kid in my book.  He has stated in interviews that he was scared he would die.  The world didn't just lose an American actor.  He was currently the best American actor.  That is what makes me sad.

Al Pacino died along with Robert Dinero?

When was the last time either one of them made a decent film? De Niro, in particular, would have to pull of a Godfather II level accomplishment in order to atone for those Fockers bullshiat festivals.

Well, you might have a point there. Neither of them has been. in anything as good as Hunger Games: Catching Fire or Hunger Games: Mockingjay Part I in several years.


When was the last time DeNIro or Pacino were even the one bright spot in an otherwise mediocre-to-awful movie? I haven't seen "Silver Linings Playbook" yet, but still.
 
2014-02-05 01:50:45 PM

Mikey1969: Investigators discovered close to 50 envelopes of what they believed was heroin in the apartment

OK, I'm gonna be right up front and admit that I know little about heroin, but ISN'T THIS A LOT OF HEROIN?


Heroin of a potency that disabled PSH before he even withdrew the god damned needle from his arm. So, like extra double alot.

Remember folks: always check for the CONTAINS FENTANYL label before injecting heroin. It could save your life!
 
2014-02-05 01:57:20 PM

someonelse: I haven't seen "Silver Linings Playbook" yet, but still.


It's a good flick. Jennifer Lawrence got an oscar for it, I think, and Di Nero is good. Bradley Cooper is farking fantastic in it and he's also fantastic in "The Place Beyond the Pines" but all the accolades went to Ryan Gosling. Poor bastard can't seem to catch a break.
 
2014-02-05 01:59:30 PM

thurstonxhowell: mcreadyblue: billiamaire: All I have to say on the subject is that from what I have read he suffered with this addiction since college age.  That's a kid in my book.  He has stated in interviews that he was scared he would die.  The world didn't just lose an American actor.  He was currently the best American actor.  That is what makes me sad.

Al Pacino died along with Robert Dinero?

When was the last time either one of them made a decent film? De Niro, in particular, would have to pull of a Godfather II level accomplishment in order to atone for those Fockers bullshiat festivals.

Meet the Parents

was cool. They waited far too long to hit us with Meet The Fockers, and Little Fockers was so unnecessary it hurts to think about.

BafflerMeal: Mikey1969: Investigators discovered close to 50 envelopes of what they believed was heroin in the apartment

OK, I'm gonna be right up front and admit that I know little about heroin, but ISN'T THIS A LOT OF HEROIN?


They were Metric envelopes.  The conversion rate is throwing you off.


Goddam 'American Exceptionalism' in the 70's, if we had just cooperated on the whole metric thing, I wouldn't have just been schooled...
 
2014-02-05 02:11:37 PM

way south: scotchcrotch: Yet they'd be lambasted if they didnt make arrests.

NYPD cant win

People get frustrated because the system only appears to work if the victim is well shod.
I can understand incompetence if its the constant state of affairs. When its selective, it appears as if its a lot more malicious.

Almost as if the cops don't care about poor people...

/or worse, just grabbed a few random drug dealers so we'd have someone to blame.
/either way its hard to escape the feeling there's alot of corruption involved.


How about blaming the 'person' responsible? Mr. Hoffman is responsible. Yes I have read how addictive heroin is and realize it is really hard to 'kick' the habit but bottom line the only person responsible here is Mr. Hoffman.
 
2014-02-05 02:12:00 PM
someonelse:When was the last time DeNIro or Pacino were even the one bright spot in an otherwise mediocre-to-awful movie? I haven't seen "Silver Linings Playbook" yet, but still.

Well, I can tell you that the heavy lifting on that movie was done by pretty much everyone else, and DeNiro's role could have been reproduced by many actors.

(Overall, I thought it was very watchable and recommend it.)
 
2014-02-05 02:50:32 PM

Joe Peanut: Meh.

I once brought my bike into the wine shop at the corner of 70th & Amsterdam.  Left the bike in the little mud room by the cashiers, grabbed the bottle I wanted, and when i turned around, bike was gone. People from the shop pretended I was invisible when I asked if they saw anything or if we could look at their security cameras' videos.  So I called the local precinct.  They told me they were sending an unit. 30 minutes later, and nobody showing up, I waved the next police car that drove by.  When I explained what had happened, cop takes a deep breath, looks at me straight in the eye, then asks "and what the fark do you want me to do about it?", then drives off.


www.doblu.com
Seems appropos...
 
2014-02-05 03:32:10 PM

Well I use Mac/Linux...: A genius wouldn't OD on heroin and leave his kids without a dad. A farking moron would do that.


Not everything is relative. A person can be a genius actor and fully worthy of praise for being so, and at the same time be a drug addict.

Though I'm sure you probably find it much easier to live in a world where you can dismiss a person's entire existence and any contributions they made based off of a single event in their life.
 
2014-02-05 03:49:11 PM

bratface: way south: scotchcrotch: Yet they'd be lambasted if they didnt make arrests.

NYPD cant win

People get frustrated because the system only appears to work if the victim is well shod.
I can understand incompetence if its the constant state of affairs. When its selective, it appears as if its a lot more malicious.

Almost as if the cops don't care about poor people...

/or worse, just grabbed a few random drug dealers so we'd have someone to blame.
/either way its hard to escape the feeling there's alot of corruption involved.

How about blaming the 'person' responsible? Mr. Hoffman is responsible. Yes I have read how addictive heroin is and realize it is really hard to 'kick' the habit but bottom line the only person responsible here is Mr. Hoffman.



Just because Mr. Hoffman left his home to buy drugs for himself, returning to his home with the intent to use drugs on himself, then himself measured and used an incorrect dosage of said drugs when injecting them into his own arm, does not mean he is the only one responsible for his drug addiction, his misuse of drugs, and his subsequent death.

Rest assured the other guilty parties will be brought to trial.

/The era of personal responsibility came to a close when we decided to have a billion dollar drug war over other peoples bad habits.
 
2014-02-05 03:59:29 PM
Somehow Andy Dick is involved, I don't know how, but he is.
 
2014-02-05 04:17:22 PM

Schmoppo: Whodat: So if we are to excuse away his drug use, shouldn't we excuse away the providers? Seems only fair.

They are only being looked at because he's a celebrity.
I had a friend who, after 7 years of sobriety, thought he could have 1 more shot, and it killed him. $10 worth. I told the police who showed up exactly who sold it to him and their response was, "He was an adult, there's nothing we can do."


Which is they way it should be. If someone goes to a liquor store and buys a bunch of high-proof alcohol which they drink way too much of resulting in their death, do we prosecute the liquor store owner or the cashier who processed the transaction or the alcohol manufacturer?
 
2014-02-05 04:17:49 PM
Well I use Mac/Linux...:

Only a stupid person would try it in the first place, so in a way, yes.  Only stupid people get addicted.

Which is almost exactly the opposite of the truth, but thanks for spraying your ill-informed opinion on this thread like a coked out Ron Jeremy.


http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-scientific-fundamentalist/20 10 10/why-intelligent-people-use-more-drugs
 
2014-02-05 04:34:47 PM

way south: Rest assured the other guilty parties will be brought to trial.


There are no other guilty parties. Some guys got arrested for having involvement and they will be released without being charged or any charges will be dropped. He was an adult, no one forced him to inject hard drugs.
 
2014-02-05 04:40:44 PM

Quaker: Schmoppo: Whodat: So if we are to excuse away his drug use, shouldn't we excuse away the providers? Seems only fair.

They are only being looked at because he's a celebrity.
I had a friend who, after 7 years of sobriety, thought he could have 1 more shot, and it killed him. $10 worth. I told the police who showed up exactly who sold it to him and their response was, "He was an adult, there's nothing we can do."

Which is they way it should be. If someone goes to a liquor store and buys a bunch of high-proof alcohol which they drink way too much of resulting in their death, do we prosecute the liquor store owner or the cashier who processed the transaction or the alcohol manufacturer?


I get your point, however, in the case I was making at the time I was pretty much asking them to go pick him up before I decide to do something far more violent to him. He was actually a friend at one time and should have known better than to give dope to a person with 7 years under their belt. He's still on my shiat list.
 
2014-02-05 05:14:46 PM

styckx: They make drug arrests all the time. You just don't hear about it because no one gives a shiat who killed Tyron


I really don't give a shiat about someone killing somone named Hoffman either.

Is it sad. Yes.

Is it tragic. fark no.
 
2014-02-05 06:28:37 PM

someonelse: Well I use Mac/Linux...: RussianPooper: Well I use Mac/Linux...: RussianPooper: Well I use Mac/Linux...: I cant stand all the idolizing of this guy after his OD.  I see him being called a genius everywhere.  A genius wouldn't OD on heroin and leave his kids without a dad.  A farking moron would do that.

I can't stand people who continue to think that people who get addicted do so out of a lack of intelligence. Although it's a nice simple answer for nice simple people.

Yup, I'm the simple one who hasn't killed himself by injecting a lethal substance into his arm. If only I could be as bright as dear old Phil.

So, for the record, in your mind, only stupid people get addicted, but if a smart  person does get addicted, you don't want to be smart because that means you would get addicted. Well, whatever gets you through the day. Reminds me of church logic.

Only a stupid person would try it in the first place, so in a way, yes.  Only stupid people get addicted.

It must be very easy to be you. I would imagine it's comforting to live within such a simple template.


A stupid decision does not necessarily make that person stupid. It's just that this decision had the consequence of addiction as opposed to lighter consequences from other dumb decisions. He made a bad decision and paid the ultimate consequence.
 
2014-02-05 07:24:10 PM

Quaker: Schmoppo: Whodat: So if we are to excuse away his drug use, shouldn't we excuse away the providers? Seems only fair.

They are only being looked at because he's a celebrity.
I had a friend who, after 7 years of sobriety, thought he could have 1 more shot, and it killed him. $10 worth. I told the police who showed up exactly who sold it to him and their response was, "He was an adult, there's nothing we can do."

Which is they way it should be. If someone goes to a liquor store and buys a bunch of high-proof alcohol which they drink way too much of resulting in their death, do we prosecute the liquor store owner or the cashier who processed the transaction or the alcohol manufacturer?


This.

He was an adult. He chose to use the drug, even though he was undoubtedly aware it was illegal and that it might possibly result in his death. His choice. The seller wouldn't exist if the demand wasn't there in the first place.

I can't see the point in demonising the seller when the buyer gets no blame. Demonise either both, or neither.
 
2014-02-05 08:59:52 PM

scotchcrotch: Yet they'd be lambasted if they didnt make arrests.

NYPD cant win


By who?
 
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