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(Philly.com)   US Navy: "Any town want an aircraft carrier for a museum or memorial? Sorry, your plan isn't viable, nor yours, nor yours either." Scrap company: "You give us a penny to take it." US Navy: "Sold"   (philly.com) divider line 121
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2014-02-05 12:48:54 AM  
The scrap company overpaid if they paid .01 cents for it.  What you- the general public- don't know is how much leaded paint, asbestos and heavy metal's like lead and mercury are all over that ship.  The EPA is going to be so far up into their butt's they're going to put in a snack bar located about mid-colon.
 
2014-02-05 01:38:23 AM  

Trailltrader: The scrap company overpaid if they paid .01 cents for it


I severely doubt it.  While the steel content of the ship is probably worth about $720K, the copper in the wiring and plumbing, along with brass fittings are probably worth a few million.
 
2014-02-05 04:05:53 AM  
Trailltrader: You think the EPA is going to give a fark in Texas??? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
 
2014-02-05 04:21:55 AM  
Pulled by ... Lauren Foss, the Forrestal was untied from its berth at the former Naval Ship Yard in the pre-dawn darkness and headed down the Delaware River for the start of what is expected to be a 17- to 18-day trip.

Is there anything she can't do?

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2014-02-05 08:54:56 AM  

doglover: Pulled by ... Lauren Foss, the Forrestal was untied from its berth at the former Naval Ship Yard in the pre-dawn darkness and headed down the Delaware River for the start of what is expected to be a 17- to 18-day trip.

Is there anything she can't do?

[upload.wikimedia.org image 310x425]


Get that schnoz fixed, apparently.
 
2014-02-05 08:55:45 AM  
I wonder if there are any connections between that scrap company and the decision makers in the Navy?

Nahhh...not in OUR country.
 
2014-02-05 08:56:29 AM  

Trailltrader: The scrap company overpaid if they paid .01 cents for it.  What you- the general public- don't know is how much leaded paint, asbestos and heavy metal's like lead and mercury are all over that ship.  The EPA is going to be so far up into their butt's they're going to put in a snack bar located about mid-colon.


Not if they sail it to China to be disassembled by a horde of child slave labor
 
2014-02-05 08:56:32 AM  

Trailltrader: The scrap company overpaid if they paid .01 cents for it.


I was unaware that you can write checks for one-one hundredth of a penny. But I learn something new every day!
 
2014-02-05 08:58:05 AM  

Trailltrader: The scrap company overpaid if they paid .01 cents for it.  What you- the general public- don't know is how much leaded paint, asbestos and heavy metal's like lead and mercury are all over that ship.  The EPA is going to be so far up into their butt's they're going to put in a snack bar located about mid-colon.


Seems to me that if the scrap company doesn't have all of this figured out by now then they would cease to be a scrap company.

Do you own a scrap company or are you just speculating about a business of which you know nothing?
 
2014-02-05 08:58:44 AM  
Under its contract with the Navy, All Start Metals assumes all costs of towing, insuring, and dismantling the vessel with the aim of recovering its costs and making a profit through the sale of the scrap.

I wonder if the other offers failed to take into account costs of towing, insuring and installing the vessel.
 
2014-02-05 08:59:30 AM  
The best thing that can happen with *any* inactive US Navy warship is for it to be hauled off for scrap.  The ocean environment wreaks havoc on those vessels which means the owners have to spend a fortune in annual preservation, not to mention a ship that size will occupy valuable real estate.
 
2014-02-05 08:59:45 AM  
bureaucratic Idiots
 
2014-02-05 09:00:28 AM  
Good! She made it acceptable to name carriers after current/recent political figures.
 
2014-02-05 09:05:06 AM  

2xhelix: Trailltrader: The scrap company overpaid if they paid .01 cents for it

I severely doubt it.  While the steel content of the ship is probably worth about $720K, the copper in the wiring and plumbing, along with brass fittings are probably worth a few million.


Deals like this normally require complete scrapping of the entire vessel, including expensive labor intensive removal of large quantities of hazardous chemicals that require disposal at special facilities.

You're not allowed to just let a few meth addicts loose on it to strip out all the copper wiring before dumping the Carrier in a skip down the road.
 
2014-02-05 09:08:02 AM  

proteus_b: Under its contract with the Navy, All Start Metals assumes all costs of towing, insuring, and dismantling the vessel with the aim of recovering its costs and making a profit through the sale of the scrap.

I wonder if the other offers failed to take into account costs of towing, insuring and installing the vessel.


Ship breaking is a fairly big business, so I'm going to go out on a limb and say that all parties involved, including the Navy, know exactly how this whole deal works.
 
2014-02-05 09:15:25 AM  

karmaceutical: Ship breaking is a fairly big business, so I'm going to go out on a limb and say that all parties involved, including the Navy, know exactly how this whole deal works.


explain the penny (in a way that explains the penny not the need to exchange money)
 
2014-02-05 09:18:07 AM  
Surprised John McCain didn't request that it be towed to Phoenix as part of a Navy museum. The feds, of course would pay to have it towed and for the construction of the canal that it would require. But all the jerbs and money would mean growth and jerbs for the area.

One of the attractions could be leaping from an A-4 as a zuni missile hits the plane next to you and then helping to put out the fire.
 
2014-02-05 09:21:00 AM  

sethen320: Trailltrader: The scrap company overpaid if they paid .01 cents for it.  What you- the general public- don't know is how much leaded paint, asbestos and heavy metal's like lead and mercury are all over that ship.  The EPA is going to be so far up into their butt's they're going to put in a snack bar located about mid-colon.

Seems to me that if the scrap company doesn't have all of this figured out by now then they would cease to be a scrap company.

Do you own a scrap company or are you just speculating about a business of which you know nothing?


Isn't that why Fark exists?
 
2014-02-05 09:21:15 AM  
We need to save it for the impending Gamalon invasion.
 
2014-02-05 09:22:50 AM  

Slartibartfaster: karmaceutical: Ship breaking is a fairly big business, so I'm going to go out on a limb and say that all parties involved, including the Navy, know exactly how this whole deal works.

explain the penny (in a way that explains the penny not the need to exchange money)


Probably some stipulation in the GSA that forbids contracts being awarded gratis (to prevent the kind of bid rigging/steering alluded to upthread).  Also known as a "peppercorn." Here is the wiki article:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peppercorn_%28legal%29
 
2014-02-05 09:24:11 AM  

Hack Patooey: doglover: Pulled by ... Lauren Foss, the Forrestal was untied from its berth at the former Naval Ship Yard in the pre-dawn darkness and headed down the Delaware River for the start of what is expected to be a 17- to 18-day trip.

Is there anything she can't do?

[upload.wikimedia.org image 310x425]

Get that schnoz fixed, apparently.


When you see a woman with a nose like that you know she gives a good blow job, they have to. A nose like that on a woman is like a great big bright beacon shinning to guys saying "Great blowjob over here if you buy me a few drinks." This is a fact.
 
2014-02-05 09:30:44 AM  
A fish bought a boat?
 
2014-02-05 09:31:06 AM  

Evil Mackerel: We need to save it for the impending Gamalon invasion.


Derrick Wildstar sees what you did there.
 
2014-02-05 09:34:12 AM  

Target Builder: You're not allowed to just let a few meth addicts loose on it to strip out all the copper wiring before dumping the Carrier in a skip down the road.


Really? Because that was exactly my plan. I was just gonna leave it sticking out of a  Food Lion dumpster like this:
static5.businessinsider.com

But only more aircraft carrier-ey
 
2014-02-05 09:34:37 AM  
I'm surprised somebody hasn't suggested buying it and turning it into a giant floating lair. There is always at least 5 or 6 of those comments in threads regarding large decommissioned military stuff.
 
2014-02-05 09:36:36 AM  
Another awesome idea. Get a couple scrap M1A1s and a plasma torch.
static4.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2014-02-05 09:38:39 AM  

Target Builder: 2xhelix: Trailltrader: The scrap company overpaid if they paid .01 cents for it

I severely doubt it.  While the steel content of the ship is probably worth about $720K, the copper in the wiring and plumbing, along with brass fittings are probably worth a few million.

Deals like this normally require complete scrapping of the entire vessel, including expensive labor intensive removal of large quantities of hazardous chemicals that require disposal at special facilities.

You're not allowed to just let a few meth addicts loose on it to strip out all the copper wiring before dumping the Carrier in a skip down the road.


Of course not, you take it to India, Pakistan, or Bangladesh, and turn a hundred peasants with saws and blow torches loose on it of course.
 
2014-02-05 09:40:16 AM  

Hack Patooey: doglover: Pulled by ... Lauren Foss, the Forrestal was untied from its berth at the former Naval Ship Yard in the pre-dawn darkness and headed down the Delaware River for the start of what is expected to be a 17- to 18-day trip.

Is there anything she can't do?

[upload.wikimedia.org image 310x425]

Get that schnoz fixed, apparently.


Jokes on you, I like noses like that.
 
2014-02-05 09:46:44 AM  
Was it a fire sale?

img.fark.net
 
2014-02-05 09:59:07 AM  

LrdPhoenix: Of course not, you take it to India, Pakistan, or Bangladesh, and turn a hundred peasants with saws and blow torches loose on it of course.


The military would never allow one of our carriers to be scrapped out overseas, no matter how outdated it is.
 
2014-02-05 10:09:36 AM  
I always thought it would be cool to get two carriers, shave the Islands and build a sea-fairing baseball stadium on top.
 
2014-02-05 10:11:33 AM  

Gary-L: The best thing that can happen with *any* inactive US Navy warship is for it to be hauled off for scrap.  The ocean environment wreaks havoc on those vessels which means the owners have to spend a fortune in annual preservation, not to mention a ship that size will occupy valuable real estate.


Ever been to New York City?

They seem to do pretty good for themselves with the Intrepid.
 
2014-02-05 10:14:51 AM  

Steve McQueen's Motorcycle: LrdPhoenix: Of course not, you take it to India, Pakistan, or Bangladesh, and turn a hundred peasants with saws and blow torches loose on it of course.

The military would never allow one of our carriers to be scrapped out overseas, no matter how outdated it is.


Oh, yeah? Who's going to stop me? You and what... oh, yeah.
 
2014-02-05 10:24:03 AM  

Slartibartfaster: explain the penny (in a way that explains the penny not the need to exchange money)


A contract requires consideration to be binding.

That penny is the consideration received by the Navy and without it there was no contract.

You often see deals for a penny or a dollar, when the real consideration is assuming demolition and/or clean-up costs or otherwise no amount would be paid.
 
2014-02-05 10:24:24 AM  
 So who in the Navy or government is the owner of the scrap yard related to or is buddies with? Sounds like another BS "Good ol' Boy" deal where the tax payers get screwed and some corrupt asshole makes a tidy profit.  Oh yeah, and since the EPA barely has enough money to buy stationary I doubt any of the toxic crap will be disposed of safely.
yeah, Murica.
 
2014-02-05 10:32:50 AM  

LrdPhoenix: Target Builder: 2xhelix: Trailltrader: The scrap company overpaid if they paid .01 cents for it

I severely doubt it.  While the steel content of the ship is probably worth about $720K, the copper in the wiring and plumbing, along with brass fittings are probably worth a few million.

Deals like this normally require complete scrapping of the entire vessel, including expensive labor intensive removal of large quantities of hazardous chemicals that require disposal at special facilities.

You're not allowed to just let a few meth addicts loose on it to strip out all the copper wiring before dumping the Carrier in a skip down the road.

Of course not, you take it to India, Pakistan, or Bangladesh, and turn a hundred peasants with saws and blow torches loose on it of course.


The US generally doesn't like sending their carriers to be broken up at Alang or anywhere that other countries can get a good look at our our carrier engineering. No matter the reason, this one is being broken in Brownsville, TX.
 
2014-02-05 10:34:49 AM  

Evil Mackerel: We need to save it for the impending Gamalon invasion.


That's the Missouri, fool! Aircraft Carriers are for battling Zentraedi. Don't you know anything?
 
2014-02-05 10:36:07 AM  

mongbiohazard: Gary-L: The best thing that can happen with *any* inactive US Navy warship is for it to be hauled off for scrap.  The ocean environment wreaks havoc on those vessels which means the owners have to spend a fortune in annual preservation, not to mention a ship that size will occupy valuable real estate.

Ever been to New York City?

They seem to do pretty good for themselves with the Intrepid.


Indeed, but they can fund the repairs. Even sitting on the floor of a channel these ships need lots of funds / manpower to keep them going up to needing periodic dry dock repairs. Have you seen the USS Texas?
 
2014-02-05 10:43:33 AM  
I don't see the problem here. Any other contractor would of charged them a million to remove it.

There are liability issues "giving it away" as the headline suggests. Selling it, even for a penny, relinquished these liabilities.

These things happen everyday, but hey.. Cool headline.
 
2014-02-05 10:46:10 AM  

MadMattressMack: LrdPhoenix: Target Builder: 2xhelix: Trailltrader: The scrap company overpaid if they paid .01 cents for it

I severely doubt it.  While the steel content of the ship is probably worth about $720K, the copper in the wiring and plumbing, along with brass fittings are probably worth a few million.

Deals like this normally require complete scrapping of the entire vessel, including expensive labor intensive removal of large quantities of hazardous chemicals that require disposal at special facilities.

You're not allowed to just let a few meth addicts loose on it to strip out all the copper wiring before dumping the Carrier in a skip down the road.

Of course not, you take it to India, Pakistan, or Bangladesh, and turn a hundred peasants with saws and blow torches loose on it of course.

The US generally doesn't like sending their carriers to be broken up at Alang or anywhere that other countries can get a good look at our our carrier engineering. No matter the reason, this one is being broken in Brownsville, TX.


And there is this FTFA- "The warship remains the Navy's property until dismantling is complete."  I'm guessing the Navy can stipulate that the work be done in a US port since it is still technically their ship.
 
2014-02-05 10:49:27 AM  

HypnozombieX:  So who in the Navy or government is the owner of the scrap yard related to or is buddies with? Sounds like another BS "Good ol' Boy" deal where the tax payers get screwed and some corrupt asshole makes a tidy profit.  Oh yeah, and since the EPA barely has enough money to buy stationary I doubt any of the toxic crap will be disposed of safely.
yeah, Murica.


One thing the EPA does is impose  BIG fines for any violations of any of their regulations.  So I'll bet that the EPA will watch for any toxic crap not being disposed of safely.

Also,  Boy are you the cyinical one.
 
2014-02-05 10:53:40 AM  
Approves:

upload.wikimedia.org

/just cause it was a great book
 
2014-02-05 10:55:17 AM  

Trailltrader: The scrap company overpaid if they paid .01 cents for it.  What you- the general public- don't know is how much leaded paint, asbestos and heavy metal's like lead and mercury are all over that ship.  The EPA is going to be so far up into their butt's they're going to put in a snack bar located about mid-colon.


The scrap company was  paid 1 cent for the ship. The navy paid 1 cent to the scrap company to scrap the ship.
 
2014-02-05 10:59:17 AM  

mongbiohazard: Gary-L: The best thing that can happen with *any* inactive US Navy warship is for it to be hauled off for scrap.  The ocean environment wreaks havoc on those vessels which means the owners have to spend a fortune in annual preservation, not to mention a ship that size will occupy valuable real estate.

Ever been to New York City?

They seem to do pretty good for themselves with the Intrepid.


The Intrepid is significantly smaller than the Forrestal.

Displacement (in tons): 40,000 vs 80,000
Length (in feet): 870 vs 1,070
Beam @ waterline(in feet): 93 vs 129
Beam @ widest point (in feet): 166 vs 238

The Forrestal class wasn't called the first supercarrier just for kicks.   Maintaining one, even in a static display condition, would be much more challenging and costly than doing the same for an Essex or even a WWII battleship.
 
2014-02-05 11:02:42 AM  

Gary-L: The best thing that can happen with *any* inactive US Navy warship is for it to be hauled off for scrap.  The ocean environment wreaks havoc on those vessels which means the owners have to spend a fortune in annual preservation, not to mention a ship that size will occupy valuable real estate.


Sees your shenanigans and is preparing to fire on your position.
www.mobilechamber.com
 
2014-02-05 11:09:01 AM  

2xhelix: Trailltrader: The scrap company overpaid if they paid .01 cents for it

I severely doubt it.  While the steel content of the ship is probably worth about $720K, the copper in the wiring and plumbing, along with brass fittings are probably worth a few million.


And as Trail said, the amount of work they're going to have to do in environmental remediation is enormous.  In addition to the paint and insulation, all the fuel storage and lines...

GameSprocket: Was it a fire sale?

[img.fark.net image 442x303]


Funny story:
While that wasn't the first time John McCain lost an aircraft from underneath him, it IS the first time he lost one while still on "the ground."
 
2014-02-05 11:16:18 AM  
Did they ever stop using red lead as a primer? I know that we were using zinc chromate mostly when I was on the USS Midway in the mid to late 80's and most of the asbestos was being removed and replaced with something else then as well.
 
2014-02-05 11:17:55 AM  

Hack Patooey: doglover: Pulled by ... Lauren Foss, the Forrestal was untied from its berth at the former Naval Ship Yard in the pre-dawn darkness and headed down the Delaware River for the start of what is expected to be a 17- to 18-day trip.

Is there anything she can't do?

[upload.wikimedia.org image 310x425]

Get that schnoz fixed, apparently.


Why do you demand generic sameness from women?
 
2014-02-05 11:19:35 AM  

FTDA: Gary-L: The best thing that can happen with *any* inactive US Navy warship is for it to be hauled off for scrap.  The ocean environment wreaks havoc on those vessels which means the owners have to spend a fortune in annual preservation, not to mention a ship that size will occupy valuable real estate.

Sees your shenanigans and is preparing to fire on your position.
[www.mobilechamber.com image 850x637]


Big Mamie at http://www.battleshipcove.com/  was a great over night for the cub scouts.
 
2014-02-05 11:29:43 AM  

Whodat: Did they ever stop using red lead as a primer? I know that we were using zinc chromate mostly when I was on the USS Midway in the mid to late 80's and most of the asbestos was being removed and replaced with something else then as well.


Ah, The Mudduck.  Were you on board when we took that 25+ degree roll and only stop when a wave crashed into the angle?  That could've fixed all the asbestos problems.
 
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