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2014-02-05 01:27:33 AM  
4 votes:
Weed saved my life, in a manner of speaking. After Zoloft, Prozac, Lamictal, Depecote and Lithium all failed horribly to curb the thoughts of eating buckshot (and often times just put the thoughts into overdrive) I found that smoking a joint once or twice a week eradicated my depression. It quite literally was a miracle drug for me. I get high a few times a month and boom, no depression.

/Your mileage may vary.
//Don't just quit your meds one day and start smoking weed.
///I had a therapist who knew I was trying it on speed-dial every step of the way.
2014-02-05 01:17:39 AM  
4 votes:

ladyfortuna: SilentStrider: AverageAmericanGuy: That said, if marijuana has positive medical benefits, then some aspiring scientist at Big Pharma ought to be able to isolate the effective compounds and develop a delivery system of them that doesn't intoxicate the patient and doesn't require them to smoke it.

while this is certainly possible, it would be a lot easier and more cost effective quite frankly to smoke it.

I've always heard that smoking it is almost as bad as cigarettes. Any info?


It's not.

Marijuana And Lungs: Study Finds Drug Doesn't Do Same Kind Of Damage As Tobacco

Though that's partially because almost no one smokes 20 joints a day.
2014-02-05 01:11:53 AM  
4 votes:

AverageAmericanGuy: I've always hated medical marijuana as a tactic to create loopholes for junkies.

I'm on the Washington and Colorado bandwagon of outright legalization. If someone wants their fix, let them have it. Don't turn doctors into liars.

That said, if marijuana has positive medical benefits, then some aspiring scientist at Big Pharma ought to be able to isolate the effective compounds and develop a delivery system of them that doesn't intoxicate the patient and doesn't require them to smoke it.


So take all the fun out of it and put the remainder in a bottle?  Did you consider that fun might have positive medical benefits too, or that the fun may be the medicinal part of the experience?  As far as the medical loophole I'm with you on why it's dumb but if people are going to write stupid nonsense laws to keep people from smoking weed, I'm willing to write stupid nonsense laws to get around it.
2014-02-05 01:54:14 AM  
3 votes:

Gunther: Correlation ≠ causation. I know for a fact liberal states tend to have slightly lower suicide rates than conservative states, it might be that liberal states are more likely to legalize pot. Or it might be that there's another causal factor behind all three.


Like not living around as many neurotic and uptight people that are obsessed with judging others to cover up their personal flaws, perceived or otherwise?

I hear being around stressed people will make you stressed.
2014-02-05 01:33:10 AM  
3 votes:
if you have a way of dealing with your pain, you are less likely to kill yourself.
2014-02-05 07:59:14 AM  
2 votes:

AverageAmericanGuy: It's because MMJ says, it's okay to be doctor shopping. It's okay to write bogus scrips. It turns shiat like Limbaugh's oxy scandal into a joke and creates a class of 'medicine' that is okay to abuse.


But, we already have that exact system right now with all prescription drugs that are possible to abuse... Have you seen any drug ads lately? They're all "Tell your doctor you need HappyPills(TM) today!", almost coming out and saying "If your doctor won't write you a prescription, keep looking until you find one that will!"... You're worried about medical marijuana corrupting a system which has been corrupt for a very long time already!
2014-02-05 01:09:42 AM  
2 votes:

AverageAmericanGuy: I've always hated medical marijuana as a tactic to create loopholes for junkies.

I'm on the Washington and Colorado bandwagon of outright legalization. If someone wants their fix, let them have it. Don't turn doctors into liars.

That said, if marijuana has positive medical benefits, then some aspiring scientist at Big Pharma ought to be able to isolate the effective compounds and develop a delivery system of them that doesn't intoxicate the patient and doesn't require them to smoke it.


Smoking it doesn't require someone who is nauseated to swallow. One of the main medical uses is pain relief for people on chemo. Which has a primary side effect of extreme nausea.
2014-02-05 01:09:11 AM  
2 votes:

AverageAmericanGuy: Don't turn doctors into liars.


I agree. That's a job for the attorneys.
2014-02-05 12:11:49 AM  
2 votes:

AverageAmericanGuy: That said, if marijuana has positive medical benefits, then some aspiring scientist at Big Pharma ought to be able to isolate the effective compounds and develop a delivery system of them that doesn't intoxicate the patient and doesn't require them to smoke it.


while this is certainly possible, it would be a lot easier and more cost effective quite frankly to smoke it.
2014-02-04 11:49:30 PM  
2 votes:
I've always hated medical marijuana as a tactic to create loopholes for junkies.

I'm on the Washington and Colorado bandwagon of outright legalization. If someone wants their fix, let them have it. Don't turn doctors into liars.

That said, if marijuana has positive medical benefits, then some aspiring scientist at Big Pharma ought to be able to isolate the effective compounds and develop a delivery system of them that doesn't intoxicate the patient and doesn't require them to smoke it.
2014-02-05 07:05:21 AM  
1 vote:

dready zim: I completely agree that proper honest legalisation is the way forward though.


My wife and I were just talking about this last night.  I don't think proper, honest, national legalization is going to happen until one of the "Big City" states (New York, California, Illinois) legalizes it.  And, right now, I think everyone is waiting to see what happens to Denver and Seattle before passing anything.

Until then, the good news is that research that should have been done 30-40 years ago is being done now and is steadily chipping away at the old, dead crust of Reagan-era anti-drug propaganda and misinformation.  Inevitably, marijuana will be rescheduled according to its medical worth.

I think one of the funniest things is that it just seems like drug companies have been caught completely off guard with regards to MMJ legalization, and, as a result of being blindsided, they are still fighting a battle they fought in the 70s thinking they can win.  For example, the prices on anti-nausea meds have done nothing but increase and still continue to drive cancer patients into poverty; however, with MMJ, people have a much cheaper, more-effective alternative, and that has just got to drive these companies absolutely nuts.  And, what I see happening is that with ObamaCare's desire and effort to keep medical costs down for patients and taxpayers, you're probably going to see one hell of a huge push for medical legalization.
2014-02-05 06:28:33 AM  
1 vote:

AverageAmericanGuy: I've always hated medical marijuana as a tactic to create loopholes for junkies.

I'm on the Washington and Colorado bandwagon of outright legalization. If someone wants their fix, let them have it. Don't turn doctors into liars.

That said, if marijuana has positive medical benefits, then some aspiring scientist at Big Pharma ought to be able to isolate the effective compounds and develop a delivery system of them that doesn't intoxicate the patient and doesn't require them to smoke it.


Brownies are a good interim device to administer cannabis without smoking. Truffles are good if you can`t eat much. A Lassi if you can`t eat solids.

I agree that smoking is a terrible way to administer any form of medication and an injection, pill, or liquid should be developed but if we applied your main logic to other drugs we would not use Morphine in hospitals. Morphine is quite intoxicating and addictive and is basically the same drug as Heroin but has medical uses and so the side effects are dismissed and we do not call people getting pain relief in hospitals `junkies who just want to get high` or call for non-intoxicating forms of morphine.

It is a double standard to want the intoxicating effects of cannabis removed before allowing its medical use.
2014-02-05 06:28:25 AM  
1 vote:

AverageAmericanGuy: morg: AverageAmericanGuy: I've always hated medical marijuana as a tactic to create loopholes for junkies.

I'm on the Washington and Colorado bandwagon of outright legalization. If someone wants their fix, let them have it. Don't turn doctors into liars.

That said, if marijuana has positive medical benefits, then some aspiring scientist at Big Pharma ought to be able to isolate the effective compounds and develop a delivery system of them that doesn't intoxicate the patient and doesn't require them to smoke it.

You don't need bid pharma.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlotte's_Web_(cannabis)

You need to have solid research proving the efficacy of the drug, and that is going to take the backing of a monied party. I remember seeing this girl on the news last year and was glad she was getting the treatment she needed. However, while she may be positively responding to the treatment, that is not proof of the treatment's efficacy (just as lower suicide rates in MMJ states is not proof of the anti-suicide effects of MJ). More study is needed.

That said, if there were an outright legalization of the drug, then the CBD oil could be sold in stores as a nutritional supplement (and obviously all the risk of hucksterism that goes along with that). And if it were legal, it would be possible to regulate the production of the CBD oil to defined standards of concentration and purity. MMJ does not allow for either of those two outcomes, nor do the primary proponents of MMJ (stoners) want marijuana that is low in THC since THC is the foremost reason they want to take the drug.


If you mean the DEA when you say "monied parties" you are correct. Unlike any other drug research that is in the realm of the FDA, marijuana is controlled by the DEA. They have a long history of only supplying weed for research to studies trying to show it is bad.
2014-02-05 05:15:56 AM  
1 vote:

TheJoe03: BTW, other than fed scientists, how has medical weed not been vetted. It's taken advantage if by healthy people but the science is there.


When it was made illegal it wasn't "vetted." Marijuana prohibition has destroyed more lives than marijuana on it's own could ever do.
2014-02-05 05:15:31 AM  
1 vote:

impaler: TheJoe03: I know it's sketchy but I don't care,

No arguments here.

FYI I hate getting high. Bugs the piss out of me. But my friends and I smoked in high-school/college, and the thought how my life would be different if I was caught, scares the piss out me.


I do wonder how many states have decriminalized it at this point, it might be the most important step toward full legalization. No one should go to jail for weed, it's almost unbelievable it happens in 2014.
2014-02-05 05:10:33 AM  
1 vote:
BTW, other than fed scientists, how has medical weed not been vetted. It's taken advantage if by healthy people but the science is there.
2014-02-05 05:08:15 AM  
1 vote:

Benderama: TheJoe03: Benderama: TheJoe03: Benderama: Benderama: TheJoe03: AverageAmericanGuy: Where are the peer reviewed studies of Charlotte's Web?

Ain't that being a bit specific, especially when you think about all the peer reviewed studies on medical marijuana. I thought you were claiming to be for medical marijuana, as long as those "junkies" don't take advantage. Weird change in your argument.

He's for legalization. Against the dangerous precedent medical marijuana might have set.

To quote my self

Marijuana is the only drug I know of that was legalized by the people and not by the FDA.  These are the same people that elected (insert name of politician you hate).

Yeah, democracy is totally gay.

Last I checked, the FDA was created by a democracy.

And not to put words into your mouth, I guess you would be OK with people voting into law anti-vaccination efforts because democracy rules and voters are informed and the best choice in making such decisions.

So voters using medical marijuana as a forum for recreational legalization in my opinion are not the good guys nor are they bad. This isn't something that should be on a ballot at all.

I am for recreational marijuana.

I am not a doctor, nor do I play one on TV but I voted for medical marijuana.

Why shouldn't it be on the ballot? Gambling is on the ballot, why not weed? You really compared weed with anti vaccination? Do you even have a real argument? If you're for making weed legal, why would you care that voters do as well? Very strange argument on your part. This whole legal weed initiative is the only thing that has even sparked a discussion with our out of touch politicians. What are you fighting against exactly? Is this a semantic argument about the role of direct democracy?

You sir brought up democracy.

I just think it's sketchy that "medical treatments" can be allowed by vote without proper (scientific) vetting.  Granted marijuana was made illegal with no scientific vetting, but that. without science, was obviously not on any medical basis.


I know it's sketchy but I don't care, it's working. It's not like it's hurting anyone, patients get their medicine and stoners can get legal weed with no bullshiat. Fight fire with fire, the govt has been full of shiat about it since the 30s and the only way shiat changed was through the medical Trojan horse.
2014-02-05 04:55:32 AM  
1 vote:
Do you think the FDA actually has a kosher reason to claim weed is so evil?
2014-02-05 04:49:57 AM  
1 vote:

TheJoe03: Benderama: Benderama: TheJoe03: AverageAmericanGuy: Where are the peer reviewed studies of Charlotte's Web?

Ain't that being a bit specific, especially when you think about all the peer reviewed studies on medical marijuana. I thought you were claiming to be for medical marijuana, as long as those "junkies" don't take advantage. Weird change in your argument.

He's for legalization. Against the dangerous precedent medical marijuana might have set.

To quote my self

Marijuana is the only drug I know of that was legalized by the people and not by the FDA.  These are the same people that elected (insert name of politician you hate).

Yeah, democracy is totally gay.


Last I checked, the FDA was created by a democracy.

And not to put words into your mouth, I guess you would be OK with people voting into law anti-vaccination efforts because democracy rules and voters are informed and the best choice in making such decisions.

So voters using medical marijuana as a forum for recreational legalization in my opinion are not the good guys nor are they bad. This isn't something that should be on a ballot at all.

I am for recreational marijuana.

I am not a doctor, nor do I play one on TV but I voted for medical marijuana.
2014-02-05 04:09:19 AM  
1 vote:
Also, states with liberal cannabis laws are significantly wealthier than the others.

Cannabis leads to suicide = proven false
Cannabis leads to poverty = proven false

what next?
2014-02-05 04:09:15 AM  
1 vote:

AverageAmericanGuy: Benderama: AverageAmericanGuy:That said, if marijuana has positive medical benefits, then some aspiring scientist at Big Pharma ought to be able to isolate the effective compounds and develop a delivery system of them that doesn't intoxicate the patient and doesn't require them to smoke it.

Doctors have.  I don't know about "Big Pharma".  Something about some child having an exceptionally large amount of seizures and the cannabis helped.  Something in cannabis besides THC did it. So they found a strain that had a large amount of this chemical and then somehow isolated it and gave it to this child.  I believe it stopped all seizures.

No source, find your own or call me a liar.

I already addressed this in a previous comment. Please continue reading. You may find yourself agreeing with me.

I am not against medical marijuana as such. I am against the pretense of medical marijuana to provide stoners their drugs as it encourages the prescription of drugs coontested and unproven) for recreational purposes rather than for actual medicinal purposes.


That pretense is leading to the outright legalization of marijuana in this country, I love it.
2014-02-05 04:07:17 AM  
1 vote:

Gawdzila: UseLessHuman: So take all the fun out of it and put the remainder in a bottle? Did you consider that fun might have positive medical benefits too, or that the fun may be the medicinal part of the experience?

Not everyone thinks smoking is "fun".
Did you consider that the smoke itself might have medical detriments by itself?  That's especially true for people with asthma or other lung problems.
Did you consider that some people might not want to smoke something  -- especially something that would make them high -- for religious reasons (Mormons come to mind)?

There are many practical reasons for isolating and making non-intoxicating variants of the active ingredients in marijuana, it isn't just because "they" are anti-fun prudes.  I hate the way smoking feels, and if I was going to take a thc-based medicine I'd rather it be in non-intoxicating pill form.


Marinol is that pill form and it doesn't work nearly as well medicinally. Weed comes in all forms, Charlottes Web strain comes to mind.
2014-02-05 04:04:02 AM  
1 vote:

Benderama: AverageAmericanGuy:That said, if marijuana has positive medical benefits, then some aspiring scientist at Big Pharma ought to be able to isolate the effective compounds and develop a delivery system of them that doesn't intoxicate the patient and doesn't require them to smoke it.

Doctors have.  I don't know about "Big Pharma".  Something about some child having an exceptionally large amount of seizures and the cannabis helped.  Something in cannabis besides THC did it. So they found a strain that had a large amount of this chemical and then somehow isolated it and gave it to this child.  I believe it stopped all seizures.

No source, find your own or call me a liar.


I already addressed this in a previous comment. Please continue reading. You may find yourself agreeing with me.

I am not against medical marijuana as such. I am against the pretense of medical marijuana to provide stoners their drugs as it encourages the prescription of drugs coontested and unproven) for recreational purposes rather than for actual medicinal purposes.
2014-02-05 03:51:46 AM  
1 vote:

UseLessHuman: So take all the fun out of it and put the remainder in a bottle? Did you consider that fun might have positive medical benefits too, or that the fun may be the medicinal part of the experience?


Not everyone thinks smoking is "fun".
Did you consider that the smoke itself might have medical detriments by itself?  That's especially true for people with asthma or other lung problems.
Did you consider that some people might not want to smoke something  -- especially something that would make them high -- for religious reasons (Mormons come to mind)?

There are many practical reasons for isolating and making non-intoxicating variants of the active ingredients in marijuana, it isn't just because "they" are anti-fun prudes.  I hate the way smoking feels, and if I was going to take a thc-based medicine I'd rather it be in non-intoxicating pill form.
2014-02-05 03:02:17 AM  
1 vote:

gadian: I wonder what the point of legality has to do with it.  Pot use in Alaska is off the charts, only quasi-legally though, yet the suicide rate is one of the highest (the highest?) in the nation, especially for young men.


When it's dark for 23 hours a day, even the dankest of the dank isn't going to do much for your mood.
2014-02-05 02:15:07 AM  
1 vote:

AverageAmericanGuy: I've always hated medical marijuana as a tactic to create loopholes for junkies.

I'm on the Washington and Colorado bandwagon of outright legalization. If someone wants their fix, let them have it. Don't turn doctors into liars.

That said, if marijuana has positive medical benefits, then some aspiring scientist at Big Pharma ought to be able to isolate the effective compounds and develop a delivery system of them that doesn't intoxicate the patient and doesn't require them to smoke it.


You don't need bid pharma.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlotte's_Web_(cannabis)
2014-02-05 01:59:09 AM  
1 vote:

AverageAmericanGuy: I've always hated medical marijuana as a tactic to create loopholes for junkies.

I'm on the Washington and Colorado bandwagon of outright legalization. If someone wants their fix, let them have it. Don't turn doctors into liars.

That said, if marijuana has positive medical benefits, then some aspiring scientist at Big Pharma ought to be able to isolate the effective compounds and develop a delivery system of them that doesn't intoxicate the patient and doesn't require them to smoke it.


I certainly hope that you don't drink alcohol, otherwise you're just another "junkie" looking for their "fix".

/Seriously, who the fark thinks that marijuana is more dangerous than LEGAL ALCOHOL, these days?  That's reefer madness jibber-jabber.
2014-02-05 01:37:14 AM  
1 vote:

SilentStrider: AverageAmericanGuy: That said, if marijuana has positive medical benefits, then some aspiring scientist at Big Pharma ought to be able to isolate the effective compounds and develop a delivery system of them that doesn't intoxicate the patient and doesn't require them to smoke it.

while this is certainly possible, it would be a lot easier and more cost effective quite frankly to smoke it.


but,but you might forget what a shiathole the world is and enjoy yourself for a little while and we can't have that.
2014-02-05 01:36:14 AM  
1 vote:
While smoking your pot, do us all a favor and stop sharing your Facebook Lookback, nobody cared about your photos the first time you posted them.
2014-02-05 01:21:35 AM  
1 vote:
Long term use tends to kill the swimmers (at least make 'em lazy) so less likely to get pregnant means a lot happier men not dealing with that crap.

Nah, just kidding, unplanned pregnancies are a blessing.

;o)
2014-02-05 01:15:47 AM  
1 vote:
I read the headline as SPLIFFY tag steps in.....
2014-02-05 12:35:44 AM  
1 vote:

SilentStrider: AverageAmericanGuy: That said, if marijuana has positive medical benefits, then some aspiring scientist at Big Pharma ought to be able to isolate the effective compounds and develop a delivery system of them that doesn't intoxicate the patient and doesn't require them to smoke it.

while this is certainly possible, it would be a lot easier and more cost effective quite frankly to smoke it.


or vape it
2014-02-05 12:29:24 AM  
1 vote:

AverageAmericanGuy: I've always hated medical marijuana as a tactic to create loopholes for junkies.


Goddamn marijuana junkies. Littering up the place with their used syringes. Disgusting.
2014-02-05 12:00:11 AM  
1 vote:

AverageAmericanGuy: I've always hated medical marijuana as a tactic to create loopholes for junkies.

I'm on the Washington and Colorado bandwagon of outright legalization. If someone wants their fix, let them have it. Don't turn doctors into liars.

That said, if marijuana has positive medical benefits, then some aspiring scientist at Big Pharma ought to be able to isolate the effective compounds and develop a delivery system of them that doesn't intoxicate the patient and doesn't require them to smoke it.


You know it might be those things that cause the intoxication are the same things that provide the medical benefits, they certainly not a reason not get high.
2014-02-04 11:34:03 PM  
1 vote:
The effect on males was clear

Correlation, causation, etc. That said, this is interesting and could use more study. Where do I volunteer?
 
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