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2014-02-05 05:15:56 AM  

TheJoe03: BTW, other than fed scientists, how has medical weed not been vetted. It's taken advantage if by healthy people but the science is there.


When it was made illegal it wasn't "vetted." Marijuana prohibition has destroyed more lives than marijuana on it's own could ever do.
 
2014-02-05 05:16:19 AM  

Esroc: Weed saved my life, in a manner of speaking. After Zoloft, Prozac, Lamictal, Depecote and Lithium all failed horribly to curb the thoughts of eating buckshot (and often times just put the thoughts into overdrive) I found that smoking a joint once or twice a week eradicated my depression. It quite literally was a miracle drug for me. I get high a few times a month and boom, no depression.

/Your mileage may vary.
//Don't just quit your meds one day and start smoking weed.
///I had a therapist who knew I was trying it on speed-dial every step of the way.



Please don't say "boom."
 
2014-02-05 05:18:06 AM  

impaler: TheJoe03: BTW, other than fed scientists, how has medical weed not been vetted. It's taken advantage if by healthy people but the science is there.

When it was made illegal it wasn't "vetted." Marijuana prohibition has destroyed more lives than marijuana on it's own could ever do.


Exactly why I have no qualms that pro weed people are using medical weed and hemp to push through eventual legalization. That's the game you have to play in politics.
 
2014-02-05 05:19:44 AM  

TheJoe03: impaler: TheJoe03: I know it's sketchy but I don't care,

No arguments here.

FYI I hate getting high. Bugs the piss out of me. But my friends and I smoked in high-school/college, and the thought how my life would be different if I was caught, scares the piss out me.

I do wonder how many states have decriminalized it at this point, it might be the most important step toward full legalization. No one should go to jail for weed, it's almost unbelievable it happens in 2014.


Hey, common ground.
 
2014-02-05 05:21:18 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: TheJoe03: impaler: TheJoe03: I know it's sketchy but I don't care,

No arguments here.

FYI I hate getting high. Bugs the piss out of me. But my friends and I smoked in high-school/college, and the thought how my life would be different if I was caught, scares the piss out me.

I do wonder how many states have decriminalized it at this point, it might be the most important step toward full legalization. No one should go to jail for weed, it's almost unbelievable it happens in 2014.

Hey, common ground.


We've had common ground this whole time, I just don't get why you care weed people are using medical and hemp to eventually lead us to legalization. Rome wasn't built in a day.
 
2014-02-05 05:23:35 AM  

TheJoe03: impaler: TheJoe03: BTW, other than fed scientists, how has medical weed not been vetted. It's taken advantage if by healthy people but the science is there.

When it was made illegal it wasn't "vetted." Marijuana prohibition has destroyed more lives than marijuana on it's own could ever do.

Exactly why I have no qualms that pro weed people are using medical weed and hemp to push through eventual legalization. That's the game you have to play in politics.


Yep. One really can't complain that marijuana is being made legal through medicinal purposes because people will no longer have respect for the system, because the very fact marijuana is illegal does that already.
 
2014-02-05 05:23:58 AM  
I also wouldn't have been adversarial if you didn't claim pothead were "junkies". That's a term for heroin addicts, made you seem like either a dick or a troll.
 
2014-02-05 05:26:04 AM  

ambercat: gadian: I wonder what the point of legality has to do with it.  Pot use in Alaska is off the charts, only quasi-legally though, yet the suicide rate is one of the highest (the highest?) in the nation, especially for young men.

It is. I checked it, I thought it was Utah at first because I thought I remembered Utah being number 1 in antidepressant prescriptions. The 10 states with the highest suicide rates are Alaska, New Mexico, Wyoming, Montana, Nevada, Colorado, Arizona, West Virginia, Utah and Oregon. I'm actually quite surprised so many western/mountain states are on there, with no other link that jumps out. Places like Arizona and Oregon don't have much else in common besides location and being less densely populated than other states. You've got desert, mountain, forest, fark I'm constantly buried in snow. Except for the urban parts of Oregon, New Mexico and Colorado, I guess conservatism is the only other link they have, but the conservative southern states only have West Virginia represented. It's odd.


Yes, conservatism leads to suicide, if you're an idiot.

However, there have been recent links discovered in altitude and suicide.
 
2014-02-05 05:26:42 AM  

impaler: TheJoe03: impaler: TheJoe03: BTW, other than fed scientists, how has medical weed not been vetted. It's taken advantage if by healthy people but the science is there.

When it was made illegal it wasn't "vetted." Marijuana prohibition has destroyed more lives than marijuana on it's own could ever do.

Exactly why I have no qualms that pro weed people are using medical weed and hemp to push through eventual legalization. That's the game you have to play in politics.

Yep. One really can't complain that marijuana is being made legal through medicinal purposes because people will no longer have respect for the system, because the very fact marijuana is illegal does that already.


You phrased it better than I did, cheers.
 
2014-02-05 05:29:53 AM  

TheJoe03: AverageAmericanGuy: TheJoe03: impaler: TheJoe03: I know it's sketchy but I don't care,

No arguments here.

FYI I hate getting high. Bugs the piss out of me. But my friends and I smoked in high-school/college, and the thought how my life would be different if I was caught, scares the piss out me.

I do wonder how many states have decriminalized it at this point, it might be the most important step toward full legalization. No one should go to jail for weed, it's almost unbelievable it happens in 2014.

Hey, common ground.

We've had common ground this whole time, I just don't get why you care weed people are using medical and hemp to eventually lead us to legalization. Rome wasn't built in a day.


It's because MMJ says, it's okay to be doctor shopping. It's okay to write bogus scrips. It turns shiat like Limbaugh's oxy scandal into a joke and creates a class of 'medicine' that is okay to abuse.

As I said in my initial entry, it turns doctors into liars. And I am not for that.
 
2014-02-05 05:33:15 AM  

impaler: WhiskeyBoy: You know liberal states have more incidents of school shootings?  Since 1996 CO is in the lead with most incidents and highest body count*, CA and FL complete the top 3.

School shooting map:
Link

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You're making my point for me.  What are we debating here?
 
2014-02-05 05:35:01 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: TheJoe03: AverageAmericanGuy: TheJoe03: impaler: TheJoe03: I know it's sketchy but I don't care,

No arguments here.

FYI I hate getting high. Bugs the piss out of me. But my friends and I smoked in high-school/college, and the thought how my life would be different if I was caught, scares the piss out me.

I do wonder how many states have decriminalized it at this point, it might be the most important step toward full legalization. No one should go to jail for weed, it's almost unbelievable it happens in 2014.

Hey, common ground.

We've had common ground this whole time, I just don't get why you care weed people are using medical and hemp to eventually lead us to legalization. Rome wasn't built in a day.

It's because MMJ says, it's okay to be doctor shopping. It's okay to write bogus scrips. It turns shiat like Limbaugh's oxy scandal into a joke and creates a class of 'medicine' that is okay to abuse.

As I said in my initial entry, it turns doctors into liars. And I am not for that.


I get that, but like I said, if it leads to acceptance of legal weed, who cares? It's a case of no harm, no foul. I recall reading about "medical" booze in Maine when the prohibitionists made it illegal. If we were talking about medicinal meth, it would be an actual problem.

/in CA it has led to de facto legalization, not abuse.
 
2014-02-05 05:35:56 AM  
I have no issue gaming a system that is corrupt is all I'm trying to say. Guess we'll never agree on that.
 
2014-02-05 05:38:46 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: TheJoe03: AverageAmericanGuy: TheJoe03: impaler: TheJoe03: I know it's sketchy but I don't care,

No arguments here.

FYI I hate getting high. Bugs the piss out of me. But my friends and I smoked in high-school/college, and the thought how my life would be different if I was caught, scares the piss out me.

I do wonder how many states have decriminalized it at this point, it might be the most important step toward full legalization. No one should go to jail for weed, it's almost unbelievable it happens in 2014.

Hey, common ground.

We've had common ground this whole time, I just don't get why you care weed people are using medical and hemp to eventually lead us to legalization. Rome wasn't built in a day.

It's because MMJ says, it's okay to be doctor shopping. It's okay to write bogus scrips. It turns shiat like Limbaugh's oxy scandal into a joke and creates a class of 'medicine' that is okay to abuse.

As I said in my initial entry, it turns doctors into liars. And I am not for that.


Well doctors have always been people.  And if you are healthy, and are still looking for a cure, the cure will most likely be the one that benefits their wallet the most.
 
2014-02-05 05:41:35 AM  

TheJoe03: AverageAmericanGuy: TheJoe03: AverageAmericanGuy: TheJoe03: impaler: TheJoe03: I know it's sketchy but I don't care,

No arguments here.

FYI I hate getting high. Bugs the piss out of me. But my friends and I smoked in high-school/college, and the thought how my life would be different if I was caught, scares the piss out me.

I do wonder how many states have decriminalized it at this point, it might be the most important step toward full legalization. No one should go to jail for weed, it's almost unbelievable it happens in 2014.

Hey, common ground.

We've had common ground this whole time, I just don't get why you care weed people are using medical and hemp to eventually lead us to legalization. Rome wasn't built in a day.

It's because MMJ says, it's okay to be doctor shopping. It's okay to write bogus scrips. It turns shiat like Limbaugh's oxy scandal into a joke and creates a class of 'medicine' that is okay to abuse.

As I said in my initial entry, it turns doctors into liars. And I am not for that.

I get that, but like I said, if it leads to acceptance of legal weed, who cares? It's a case of no harm, no foul. I recall reading about "medical" booze in Maine when the prohibitionists made it illegal. If we were talking about medicinal meth, it would be an actual problem.

/in CA it has led to de facto legalization, not abuse.


So where do you draw the line?  What would have to be done in the name of legalizing weed that would make you say "Hold on. I think we've gone too far."
 
2014-02-05 05:42:45 AM  

Benderama: TheJoe03: AverageAmericanGuy: TheJoe03: AverageAmericanGuy: TheJoe03: impaler: TheJoe03: I know it's sketchy but I don't care,

No arguments here.

FYI I hate getting high. Bugs the piss out of me. But my friends and I smoked in high-school/college, and the thought how my life would be different if I was caught, scares the piss out me.

I do wonder how many states have decriminalized it at this point, it might be the most important step toward full legalization. No one should go to jail for weed, it's almost unbelievable it happens in 2014.

Hey, common ground.

We've had common ground this whole time, I just don't get why you care weed people are using medical and hemp to eventually lead us to legalization. Rome wasn't built in a day.

It's because MMJ says, it's okay to be doctor shopping. It's okay to write bogus scrips. It turns shiat like Limbaugh's oxy scandal into a joke and creates a class of 'medicine' that is okay to abuse.

As I said in my initial entry, it turns doctors into liars. And I am not for that.

I get that, but like I said, if it leads to acceptance of legal weed, who cares? It's a case of no harm, no foul. I recall reading about "medical" booze in Maine when the prohibitionists made it illegal. If we were talking about medicinal meth, it would be an actual problem.

/in CA it has led to de facto legalization, not abuse.

So where do you draw the line?  What would have to be done in the name of legalizing weed that would make you say "Hold on. I think we've gone too far."


Hurting people?
 
2014-02-05 05:44:46 AM  
I think decriminalizing weed in states where it's not should be done, I think making medical marijuana legal in non medical states should be done, I think making hemp legal where it is not should b done, and eventually that will ease into legal weed in the US. Pretty basic. Baby steps.
 
2014-02-05 06:16:54 AM  
Medical Marijuana is a lie. Marijuana itsself is MUCH MORE HARMFUL than methampheatmines and SUPER HEROINE combined.

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2014-02-05 06:28:25 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: morg: AverageAmericanGuy: I've always hated medical marijuana as a tactic to create loopholes for junkies.

I'm on the Washington and Colorado bandwagon of outright legalization. If someone wants their fix, let them have it. Don't turn doctors into liars.

That said, if marijuana has positive medical benefits, then some aspiring scientist at Big Pharma ought to be able to isolate the effective compounds and develop a delivery system of them that doesn't intoxicate the patient and doesn't require them to smoke it.

You don't need bid pharma.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlotte's_Web_(cannabis)

You need to have solid research proving the efficacy of the drug, and that is going to take the backing of a monied party. I remember seeing this girl on the news last year and was glad she was getting the treatment she needed. However, while she may be positively responding to the treatment, that is not proof of the treatment's efficacy (just as lower suicide rates in MMJ states is not proof of the anti-suicide effects of MJ). More study is needed.

That said, if there were an outright legalization of the drug, then the CBD oil could be sold in stores as a nutritional supplement (and obviously all the risk of hucksterism that goes along with that). And if it were legal, it would be possible to regulate the production of the CBD oil to defined standards of concentration and purity. MMJ does not allow for either of those two outcomes, nor do the primary proponents of MMJ (stoners) want marijuana that is low in THC since THC is the foremost reason they want to take the drug.


If you mean the DEA when you say "monied parties" you are correct. Unlike any other drug research that is in the realm of the FDA, marijuana is controlled by the DEA. They have a long history of only supplying weed for research to studies trying to show it is bad.
 
2014-02-05 06:28:33 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: I've always hated medical marijuana as a tactic to create loopholes for junkies.

I'm on the Washington and Colorado bandwagon of outright legalization. If someone wants their fix, let them have it. Don't turn doctors into liars.

That said, if marijuana has positive medical benefits, then some aspiring scientist at Big Pharma ought to be able to isolate the effective compounds and develop a delivery system of them that doesn't intoxicate the patient and doesn't require them to smoke it.


Brownies are a good interim device to administer cannabis without smoking. Truffles are good if you can`t eat much. A Lassi if you can`t eat solids.

I agree that smoking is a terrible way to administer any form of medication and an injection, pill, or liquid should be developed but if we applied your main logic to other drugs we would not use Morphine in hospitals. Morphine is quite intoxicating and addictive and is basically the same drug as Heroin but has medical uses and so the side effects are dismissed and we do not call people getting pain relief in hospitals `junkies who just want to get high` or call for non-intoxicating forms of morphine.

It is a double standard to want the intoxicating effects of cannabis removed before allowing its medical use.
 
2014-02-05 06:36:23 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: That said, if there were an outright legalization of the drug, then the CBD oil could be sold in stores as a nutritional supplement (and obviously all the risk of hucksterism that goes along with that). And if it were legal, it would be possible to regulate the production of the CBD oil to defined standards of concentration and purity. MMJ does not allow for either of those two outcomes, nor do the primary proponents of MMJ (stoners) want marijuana that is low in THC since THC is the foremost reason they want to take the drug.


I`d like a citation for stoners being the foremost proponents of Medical Cannabis that is not a variation of the `true scotsman` argument being specifically that all people that use cannabis are `stoners` and therefore only `stoners` want medical cannabis...

I completely agree that proper honest legalisation is the way forward though. Then there could be regulation, standardisation, development, and investment. It would be nice to, as you say, go to a shop and get some 95% pure THC oil and add specific amounts to other things. Or CBD oil. or even THVC oil (Although pure THC would be problematic as the THC is psychoactive and the CBD is antipsychotic so you need a proper ratio to avoid issues)
 
2014-02-05 06:58:44 AM  

jaybeezey: ambercat: gadian: I wonder what the point of legality has to do with it.  Pot use in Alaska is off the charts, only quasi-legally though, yet the suicide rate is one of the highest (the highest?) in the nation, especially for young men.

It is. I checked it, I thought it was Utah at first because I thought I remembered Utah being number 1 in antidepressant prescriptions. The 10 states with the highest suicide rates are Alaska, New Mexico, Wyoming, Montana, Nevada, Colorado, Arizona, West Virginia, Utah and Oregon. I'm actually quite surprised so many western/mountain states are on there, with no other link that jumps out. Places like Arizona and Oregon don't have much else in common besides location and being less densely populated than other states. You've got desert, mountain, forest, fark I'm constantly buried in snow. Except for the urban parts of Oregon, New Mexico and Colorado, I guess conservatism is the only other link they have, but the conservative southern states only have West Virginia represented. It's odd.

Yes, conservatism leads to suicide, if you're an idiot.

However, there have been recent links discovered in altitude and suicide.


I wasn't saying it caused it, just that it's a peculiar thing that jumped out at me along with geography and population density as something that linked them. Altitude makes sense though as a link, West Virginia does have mountains, as does Alaska. I didn't think of that. The thing is, Washington and California do as well, though I suppose having large cities in flatter areas might balance that out statistically.
 
2014-02-05 07:05:21 AM  

dready zim: I completely agree that proper honest legalisation is the way forward though.


My wife and I were just talking about this last night.  I don't think proper, honest, national legalization is going to happen until one of the "Big City" states (New York, California, Illinois) legalizes it.  And, right now, I think everyone is waiting to see what happens to Denver and Seattle before passing anything.

Until then, the good news is that research that should have been done 30-40 years ago is being done now and is steadily chipping away at the old, dead crust of Reagan-era anti-drug propaganda and misinformation.  Inevitably, marijuana will be rescheduled according to its medical worth.

I think one of the funniest things is that it just seems like drug companies have been caught completely off guard with regards to MMJ legalization, and, as a result of being blindsided, they are still fighting a battle they fought in the 70s thinking they can win.  For example, the prices on anti-nausea meds have done nothing but increase and still continue to drive cancer patients into poverty; however, with MMJ, people have a much cheaper, more-effective alternative, and that has just got to drive these companies absolutely nuts.  And, what I see happening is that with ObamaCare's desire and effort to keep medical costs down for patients and taxpayers, you're probably going to see one hell of a huge push for medical legalization.
 
2014-02-05 07:33:28 AM  

dready zim: I agree that smoking is a terrible way to administer any form of medication and an injection, pill, or liquid should be developed but if we applied your main logic to other drugs we would not use Morphine in hospitals. Morphine is quite intoxicating and addictive and is basically the same drug as Heroin but has medical uses and so the side effects are dismissed and we do not call people getting pain relief in hospitals `junkies who just want to get high` or call for non-intoxicating forms of morphine.


I understand that people who use MJ to treat the nausea caused by chemotherapy generally vaporize it, which is a closer to an e-cig than it is to a cigarette.  There's a fair amount of history with inhaled medicine - rescue inhalers, O2 supplimentation, etc...  The other option for administering medicine to a patient that can't keep anything down involves either injecting the drug(not always an option) or sticking it up the bum(large intestine walls are quite absorbant).  But inhaling is extremely fast and relatively controllable compared to a supposatory.
 
2014-02-05 07:39:07 AM  

Firethorn: There's a fair amount of history with inhaled medicine


Fetch a rag...
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2014-02-05 07:59:14 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: It's because MMJ says, it's okay to be doctor shopping. It's okay to write bogus scrips. It turns shiat like Limbaugh's oxy scandal into a joke and creates a class of 'medicine' that is okay to abuse.


But, we already have that exact system right now with all prescription drugs that are possible to abuse... Have you seen any drug ads lately? They're all "Tell your doctor you need HappyPills(TM) today!", almost coming out and saying "If your doctor won't write you a prescription, keep looking until you find one that will!"... You're worried about medical marijuana corrupting a system which has been corrupt for a very long time already!
 
2014-02-05 08:10:30 AM  

SilentStrider: AverageAmericanGuy: That said, if marijuana has positive medical benefits, then some aspiring scientist at Big Pharma ought to be able to isolate the effective compounds and develop a delivery system of them that doesn't intoxicate the patient and doesn't require them to smoke it.

while this is certainly possible, it would be a lot easier and more cost effective quite frankly to smoke it

eat it.

I read that some Colorado bakeries that infuse their product with marijuana are having to ration cookies and other baked goods. A lot of people outside of the druggie demographic are self-medicating.

/Grandpa's looking for Harlequin infused cookies.
 
2014-02-05 08:24:32 AM  
Don't have time to read all the comments, so this may have been covered, but in no particular order;

How can the data on this really be complete if its only been a month since it was legal there? I may have missed something on that

If you're going to 'take out the part that gets you high' so nobody can relax while consuming their prescription, lets do away with all of the opiate based drugs too- they get you high also and are proven addictive.

And finally, I dont agree regular long term smoking has much of an effect on sperm. I've smoked 15 years or so very regularly, and when we decided to attempt a child- pregnant within a couple weeks.

Just my two cents...
 
2014-02-05 08:25:07 AM  
Anyone that uses the word "junkies" to describe users of marijuana should be promptly ridiculed, then ignored.
 
2014-02-05 08:25:54 AM  

bigsmellypenis: Don't have time to read all the comments, so this may have been covered, but in no particular order;

How can the data on this really be complete if its only been a month since it was legal there? I may have missed something on that

If you're going to 'take out the part that gets you high' so nobody can relax while consuming their prescription, lets do away with all of the opiate based drugs too- they get you high also and are proven addictive.

And finally, I dont agree regular long term smoking has much of an effect on sperm. I've smoked 15 years or so very regularly, and when we decided to attempt a child- pregnant within a couple weeks.

Just my two cents...


MEDICAL marijuana has been legal for a lot longer than a month.
 
2014-02-05 08:38:43 AM  

1nsanilicious: While smoking your pot, do us all a favor and stop sharing your Facebook Lookback, nobody cared about your photos the first time you posted them.


If only there were a way that you could avoid watching the slideshow. I'm sorry they were all on autoplay and that they had to play all the way through before you could read something else
 
2014-02-05 09:51:30 AM  
I'm surprised that none of the proponents of medical marijuana thread address the harmful effects of driving while under the influence of marijuana.  Bla bla bla....enjoy your weed
 
2014-02-05 10:32:03 AM  

Cyrusv10: I'm surprised that none of the proponents of medical marijuana thread address the harmful effects of driving while under the influence of marijuana.  Bla bla bla....enjoy your weed


You worked really hard there, didn't you?
 
2014-02-05 10:42:22 AM  

hardinparamedic: Medical Marijuana is a lie. Marijuana itsself is MUCH MORE HARMFUL than methampheatmines and SUPER HEROINE combined.


Mother: At least he died doing what he loved...!
 
2014-02-05 11:33:17 AM  
So, some folks are OK with Cannabis legalization as long as you can't get high from it? Riiiiiiiiight, good luck with that.
 
2014-02-05 11:38:31 AM  

Gawdzila: fusillade762: ladyfortuna: SilentStrider: AverageAmericanGuy: That said, if marijuana has positive medical benefits, then some aspiring scientist at Big Pharma ought to be able to isolate the effective compounds and develop a delivery system of them that doesn't intoxicate the patient and doesn't require them to smoke it.

while this is certainly possible, it would be a lot easier and more cost effective quite frankly to smoke it.

I've always heard that smoking it is almost as bad as cigarettes. Any info?

It's not.

Marijuana And Lungs: Study Finds Drug Doesn't Do Same Kind Of Damage As Tobacco

Though that's partially because almost no one smokes 20 joints a day.

Yeah, I doubt it's as bad as ciggs due to lacking quite so much junk like tar, but I would doubt that sucking ANY kind of smokey particulates into your lungs is particularly good for them.


it's nowhere near as toxic. a simple test will prove it instantly. just take the filter off the cig and hit it hard like you would a joint and see what happens :P
 
2014-02-05 11:42:34 AM  

WhiskeyBoy: FTA:"Females could respond to marijuana differently than males. Females could respond to alcohol differently than males. It's even possible that they respond to legalization differently than males."
What the hell does that even mean?!


Fear. Fear for your white wimmins because before you know it they'll be listening to jazz and sleeping with negroes if you dare legalize that devil weed!

/Faster!
 
2014-02-05 11:42:50 AM  
Ah, yes .. the infamous 'Studies say" ..
 
2014-02-05 11:53:38 AM  

WhoGAS: Long term use tends to kill the swimmers (at least make 'em lazy) so less likely to get pregnant means a lot happier men not dealing with that crap.


And this is the reason Jamaica has such a terrible depopulation problem.
 
2014-02-05 02:00:43 PM  

TwowheelinTim: anallyproper: so, how long have the state that have it legal have had it legal ?

MMJ has been on the books in CA since 1996. It was the first state to do so.

California decriminalized it just a few years ago. Arnie signed it into law in 2010. Essentially, if you're caught with less than an ounce, you're issued a summons to appear, much like a parking ticket. I'd been caught with it a couple times back in the seventies, and had the officer dump it out on me. Now it's so mainstream you really gotta be screwing up to even get a summons.

I hear that here in Humboldt you don't even have to pay for it. Eventually you find out some of those folks you've known for years are growing it and are more than willing to hook up a fellow stoner with some killer nugs. I think I heard something like that anyway...


That's all well and good but you can still be fired for it.  We need to change the national law to get more acceptance.  Also the makers of the saliva tests need to up their game and promote the "Are you high right now" test instead of the "have you been high sometime in the last month" test.
 
2014-02-05 05:01:28 PM  

ambercat: gadian: I wonder what the point of legality has to do with it.  Pot use in Alaska is off the charts, only quasi-legally though, yet the suicide rate is one of the highest (the highest?) in the nation, especially for young men.

It is. I checked it, I thought it was Utah at first because I thought I remembered Utah being number 1 in antidepressant prescriptions. The 10 states with the highest suicide rates are Alaska, New Mexico, Wyoming, Montana, Nevada, Colorado, Arizona, West Virginia, Utah and Oregon. I'm actually quite surprised so many western/mountain states are on there, with no other link that jumps out. Places like Arizona and Oregon don't have much else in common besides location and being less densely populated than other states. You've got desert, mountain, forest, fark I'm constantly buried in snow. Except for the urban parts of Oregon, New Mexico and Colorado, I guess conservatism is the only other link they have, but the conservative southern states only have West Virginia represented. It's odd.


least population?
 
2014-02-05 08:58:16 PM  
Cannabis has helped me with depression where SSRI's did not.
 
2014-02-05 11:17:25 PM  
Not too surprising really.  Pot makes you too stupid and unmotivated to do something like killing yourself quickly.  Instead pot smokers do it slowly.
 
2014-02-06 12:30:35 AM  

Ima4nic8or: Not too surprising really.  Pot makes you too stupid and unmotivated to do something like killing yourself quickly.  Instead pot smokers do it slowly.


Bad troll.
 
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