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2014-02-04 11:34:03 PM
The effect on males was clear

Correlation, causation, etc. That said, this is interesting and could use more study. Where do I volunteer?
 
2014-02-04 11:36:55 PM
Well, I ain't offed muhself yet
 
2014-02-04 11:49:30 PM
I've always hated medical marijuana as a tactic to create loopholes for junkies.

I'm on the Washington and Colorado bandwagon of outright legalization. If someone wants their fix, let them have it. Don't turn doctors into liars.

That said, if marijuana has positive medical benefits, then some aspiring scientist at Big Pharma ought to be able to isolate the effective compounds and develop a delivery system of them that doesn't intoxicate the patient and doesn't require them to smoke it.
 
2014-02-05 12:00:11 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: I've always hated medical marijuana as a tactic to create loopholes for junkies.

I'm on the Washington and Colorado bandwagon of outright legalization. If someone wants their fix, let them have it. Don't turn doctors into liars.

That said, if marijuana has positive medical benefits, then some aspiring scientist at Big Pharma ought to be able to isolate the effective compounds and develop a delivery system of them that doesn't intoxicate the patient and doesn't require them to smoke it.


You know it might be those things that cause the intoxication are the same things that provide the medical benefits, they certainly not a reason not get high.
 
2014-02-05 12:11:49 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: That said, if marijuana has positive medical benefits, then some aspiring scientist at Big Pharma ought to be able to isolate the effective compounds and develop a delivery system of them that doesn't intoxicate the patient and doesn't require them to smoke it.


while this is certainly possible, it would be a lot easier and more cost effective quite frankly to smoke it.
 
2014-02-05 12:29:24 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: I've always hated medical marijuana as a tactic to create loopholes for junkies.


Goddamn marijuana junkies. Littering up the place with their used syringes. Disgusting.
 
2014-02-05 12:35:44 AM

SilentStrider: AverageAmericanGuy: That said, if marijuana has positive medical benefits, then some aspiring scientist at Big Pharma ought to be able to isolate the effective compounds and develop a delivery system of them that doesn't intoxicate the patient and doesn't require them to smoke it.

while this is certainly possible, it would be a lot easier and more cost effective quite frankly to smoke it.


or vape it
 
2014-02-05 01:09:11 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: Don't turn doctors into liars.


I agree. That's a job for the attorneys.
 
2014-02-05 01:09:42 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: I've always hated medical marijuana as a tactic to create loopholes for junkies.

I'm on the Washington and Colorado bandwagon of outright legalization. If someone wants their fix, let them have it. Don't turn doctors into liars.

That said, if marijuana has positive medical benefits, then some aspiring scientist at Big Pharma ought to be able to isolate the effective compounds and develop a delivery system of them that doesn't intoxicate the patient and doesn't require them to smoke it.


Smoking it doesn't require someone who is nauseated to swallow. One of the main medical uses is pain relief for people on chemo. Which has a primary side effect of extreme nausea.
 
2014-02-05 01:11:25 AM
Of course suicide rates have gone down.  Deaths from marijuana overdose are not counted as suicides.
 
2014-02-05 01:11:53 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: I've always hated medical marijuana as a tactic to create loopholes for junkies.

I'm on the Washington and Colorado bandwagon of outright legalization. If someone wants their fix, let them have it. Don't turn doctors into liars.

That said, if marijuana has positive medical benefits, then some aspiring scientist at Big Pharma ought to be able to isolate the effective compounds and develop a delivery system of them that doesn't intoxicate the patient and doesn't require them to smoke it.


So take all the fun out of it and put the remainder in a bottle?  Did you consider that fun might have positive medical benefits too, or that the fun may be the medicinal part of the experience?  As far as the medical loophole I'm with you on why it's dumb but if people are going to write stupid nonsense laws to keep people from smoking weed, I'm willing to write stupid nonsense laws to get around it.
 
2014-02-05 01:12:37 AM

SilentStrider: AverageAmericanGuy: That said, if marijuana has positive medical benefits, then some aspiring scientist at Big Pharma ought to be able to isolate the effective compounds and develop a delivery system of them that doesn't intoxicate the patient and doesn't require them to smoke it.

while this is certainly possible, it would be a lot easier and more cost effective quite frankly to smoke it.


I've always heard that smoking it is almost as bad as cigarettes. Any info?
 
2014-02-05 01:14:20 AM
I'm glad.  These are hard times.
 
2014-02-05 01:14:47 AM

ladyfortuna: SilentStrider: AverageAmericanGuy: That said, if marijuana has positive medical benefits, then some aspiring scientist at Big Pharma ought to be able to isolate the effective compounds and develop a delivery system of them that doesn't intoxicate the patient and doesn't require them to smoke it.

while this is certainly possible, it would be a lot easier and more cost effective quite frankly to smoke it.

I've always heard that smoking it is almost as bad as cigarettes. Any info?


I make sure my dealer doesn't put saltpeter in mine.
 
2014-02-05 01:15:47 AM
I read the headline as SPLIFFY tag steps in.....
 
2014-02-05 01:16:09 AM

fusillade762: The effect on males was clear

Correlation, causation, etc. That said, this is interesting and could use more study. Where do I volunteer?


You volunteer in the same book where you learn that time-series analysis isn't just correlation

http://www.statlab.uni-heidelberg.de/people/eichler/handbook.pdf
 
2014-02-05 01:16:32 AM
The margin between Colorado and Washington state is 43 to 8.
 
2014-02-05 01:17:39 AM

ladyfortuna: SilentStrider: AverageAmericanGuy: That said, if marijuana has positive medical benefits, then some aspiring scientist at Big Pharma ought to be able to isolate the effective compounds and develop a delivery system of them that doesn't intoxicate the patient and doesn't require them to smoke it.

while this is certainly possible, it would be a lot easier and more cost effective quite frankly to smoke it.

I've always heard that smoking it is almost as bad as cigarettes. Any info?


It's not.

Marijuana And Lungs: Study Finds Drug Doesn't Do Same Kind Of Damage As Tobacco

Though that's partially because almost no one smokes 20 joints a day.
 
2014-02-05 01:19:20 AM
But they DO have a higher possibility of cooked babby; so there is that....

/ *ducks*

// in my defense; I was required to go hear the latest anti-drug stuff during high school.
 
2014-02-05 01:21:35 AM
Long term use tends to kill the swimmers (at least make 'em lazy) so less likely to get pregnant means a lot happier men not dealing with that crap.

Nah, just kidding, unplanned pregnancies are a blessing.

;o)
 
2014-02-05 01:21:37 AM

fusillade762: It's not.

Marijuana And Lungs: Study Finds Drug Doesn't Do Same Kind Of Damage As Tobacco

Though that's partially because almost no one smokes 20 joints a day.


http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/large-study-finds-no-link/
 
2014-02-05 01:27:28 AM
so, how long have the state that have it legal have had it legal ?
 
2014-02-05 01:27:32 AM

WhoGAS: Long term use tends to kill the swimmers (at least make 'em lazy) so less likely to get pregnant means a lot happier men not dealing with that crap.

Nah, just kidding, unplanned pregnancies are a blessing.

;o)


I think that's something of a misnomer. My pothead neighbor seems to knock up his girlfriend pretty often. She's only carried a couple to term on account of the meth and heroin.

/ I wish I was kidding; he also seems to hang out with dangerously underaged girls. You know, the kind that will get you 15 years in Leavenworth.
 
2014-02-05 01:27:33 AM
Weed saved my life, in a manner of speaking. After Zoloft, Prozac, Lamictal, Depecote and Lithium all failed horribly to curb the thoughts of eating buckshot (and often times just put the thoughts into overdrive) I found that smoking a joint once or twice a week eradicated my depression. It quite literally was a miracle drug for me. I get high a few times a month and boom, no depression.

/Your mileage may vary.
//Don't just quit your meds one day and start smoking weed.
///I had a therapist who knew I was trying it on speed-dial every step of the way.
 
2014-02-05 01:33:10 AM
if you have a way of dealing with your pain, you are less likely to kill yourself.
 
2014-02-05 01:34:35 AM

SilverStag: I read the headline as SPLIFFY tag steps in.....


/Second.jpg
 
2014-02-05 01:36:14 AM
While smoking your pot, do us all a favor and stop sharing your Facebook Lookback, nobody cared about your photos the first time you posted them.
 
2014-02-05 01:36:39 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: I've always hated medical marijuana as a tactic to create loopholes for junkies.

I'm on the Washington and Colorado bandwagon of outright legalization. If someone wants their fix, let them have it. Don't turn doctors into liars.

That said, if marijuana has positive medical benefits, then some aspiring scientist at Big Pharma ought to be able to isolate the effective compounds and develop a delivery system of them that doesn't intoxicate the patient and doesn't require them to smoke it.


You should apply your stupid as opinions to intravenous drugs. We should eat all drugs, not inject them directly into our bloodstream (or infest them through our lungs)
 
2014-02-05 01:37:14 AM

SilentStrider: AverageAmericanGuy: That said, if marijuana has positive medical benefits, then some aspiring scientist at Big Pharma ought to be able to isolate the effective compounds and develop a delivery system of them that doesn't intoxicate the patient and doesn't require them to smoke it.

while this is certainly possible, it would be a lot easier and more cost effective quite frankly to smoke it.


but,but you might forget what a shiathole the world is and enjoy yourself for a little while and we can't have that.
 
2014-02-05 01:38:41 AM
Infest, ingest, fark you auto complete
 
2014-02-05 01:40:43 AM

Hobodeluxe: SilentStrider: AverageAmericanGuy: That said, if marijuana has positive medical benefits, then some aspiring scientist at Big Pharma ought to be able to isolate the effective compounds and develop a delivery system of them that doesn't intoxicate the patient and doesn't require them to smoke it.

while this is certainly possible, it would be a lot easier and more cost effective quite frankly to smoke it.

but,but you might forget what a shiathole the world is and enjoy yourself for a little while and we can't have that.


Sounds sinful. We should deliberately inflect pain for salvation. Not that mother Teresa would ever do that
 
2014-02-05 01:41:21 AM
States with legal marijuana also have the coolest music fans.

media.heavy.com
 
2014-02-05 01:42:38 AM

iheartscotch: WhoGAS: Long term use tends to kill the swimmers (at least make 'em lazy) so less likely to get pregnant means a lot happier men not dealing with that crap.

Nah, just kidding, unplanned pregnancies are a blessing.

;o)

I think that's something of a misnomer. My pothead neighbor seems to knock up his girlfriend pretty often. She's only carried a couple to term on account of the meth and heroin.

/ I wish I was kidding; he also seems to hang out with dangerously underaged girls. You know, the kind that will get you 15 years in Leavenworth.


Wait, you mean there's a chance I could have gotten my cousin knocked up?   Damn!  Mom didn't get pregnant so I figured for sure it was the weed.

Heh.  Seriously, though, yeah, I know a lot of people who got pregnant, too.

That's one of the things that needs further study.  Many doctors say it affects sperm count and creates abnormalities in the sperm; another says although it has shown diminished sperm count, they're not sure of the affect; others say straight up "You's ain't havin'g babbies!"  (not verbatim, of course)

/Yeah, I know a lot of potheads who are more meth heads than anything else.  Sucks when kids are involved and I know drugs attract the young 'uns.  :o/
 
2014-02-05 01:47:40 AM
Correlation ≠ causation. I know for a fact liberal states tend to have slightly lower suicide rates than conservative states, it might be that liberal states are more likely to legalize pot. Or it might be that there's another causal factor behind all three.
 
2014-02-05 01:50:52 AM

WhoGAS: iheartscotch: WhoGAS: Long term use tends to kill the swimmers (at least make 'em lazy) so less likely to get pregnant means a lot happier men not dealing with that crap.

Nah, just kidding, unplanned pregnancies are a blessing.

;o)

I think that's something of a misnomer. My pothead neighbor seems to knock up his girlfriend pretty often. She's only carried a couple to term on account of the meth and heroin.

/ I wish I was kidding; he also seems to hang out with dangerously underaged girls. You know, the kind that will get you 15 years in Leavenworth.

Wait, you mean there's a chance I could have gotten my cousin knocked up?   Damn!  Mom didn't get pregnant so I figured for sure it was the weed.

Heh.  Seriously, though, yeah, I know a lot of people who got pregnant, too.

That's one of the things that needs further study.  Many doctors say it affects sperm count and creates abnormalities in the sperm; another says although it has shown diminished sperm count, they're not sure of the affect; others say straight up "You's ain't havin'g babbies!"  (not verbatim, of course)

/Yeah, I know a lot of potheads who are more meth heads than anything else.  Sucks when kids are involved and I know drugs attract the young 'uns.  :o/


Yep, it doesn't really matter; if you have sex with a girl, she can get preggy up to 3 days later; if I remember right.

Most of the studies done with pot were done outside the US and Europe; because of that pesky legality thingy. So, I don't know how reliable they are.

/ It is pretty sad when the youngins get into the hard core drug scene; because, that's how you get 16 year old prostitutes.

// I think my neighbors might have moved; their crappy taurus hasn't moved in 6 months and I haven't heard any disturbances at 3am in a while.
 
2014-02-05 01:51:26 AM

impaler: Infest, ingest, fark you auto complete


I think you meant to type inhale. Ingest involves digesting first, which means you have to swallow it, run it through the stomach and into the intestines to get it into the blood steam. Inhaling only requires it to pass through your lungs and not agitate them badly to enter the blood steam.

\could be worse
\\could be purified and then put in suspension in saline
\\\then injected in!
 
2014-02-05 01:54:14 AM

Gunther: Correlation ≠ causation. I know for a fact liberal states tend to have slightly lower suicide rates than conservative states, it might be that liberal states are more likely to legalize pot. Or it might be that there's another causal factor behind all three.


Like not living around as many neurotic and uptight people that are obsessed with judging others to cover up their personal flaws, perceived or otherwise?

I hear being around stressed people will make you stressed.
 
2014-02-05 01:58:33 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: I've always hated medical marijuana as a tactic to create loopholes for junkies.

I'm on the Washington and Colorado bandwagon of outright legalization. If someone wants their fix, let them have it. Don't turn doctors into liars.

That said, if marijuana has positive medical benefits, then some aspiring scientist at Big Pharma ought to be able to isolate the effective compounds and develop a delivery system of them that doesn't intoxicate the patient and doesn't require them to smoke it.


7/10
If you had stopped after the first sentence, you could've earned a rare 10/10
 
2014-02-05 01:59:09 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: I've always hated medical marijuana as a tactic to create loopholes for junkies.

I'm on the Washington and Colorado bandwagon of outright legalization. If someone wants their fix, let them have it. Don't turn doctors into liars.

That said, if marijuana has positive medical benefits, then some aspiring scientist at Big Pharma ought to be able to isolate the effective compounds and develop a delivery system of them that doesn't intoxicate the patient and doesn't require them to smoke it.


I certainly hope that you don't drink alcohol, otherwise you're just another "junkie" looking for their "fix".

/Seriously, who the fark thinks that marijuana is more dangerous than LEGAL ALCOHOL, these days?  That's reefer madness jibber-jabber.
 
2014-02-05 02:00:44 AM

JadedFloridian: AverageAmericanGuy: I've always hated medical marijuana as a tactic to create loopholes for junkies.

I'm on the Washington and Colorado bandwagon of outright legalization. If someone wants their fix, let them have it. Don't turn doctors into liars.

That said, if marijuana has positive medical benefits, then some aspiring scientist at Big Pharma ought to be able to isolate the effective compounds and develop a delivery system of them that doesn't intoxicate the patient and doesn't require them to smoke it.

I certainly hope that you don't drink alcohol, otherwise you're just another "junkie" looking for their "fix".

/Seriously, who the fark thinks that marijuana is more dangerous than LEGAL ALCOHOL, these days?  That's reefer madness jibber-jabber.


I don't think it was necessarily a good thing to have doctor-prescribed alcohol during the Prohibition either.
 
2014-02-05 02:05:22 AM

Gunther: Correlation ≠ causation. I know for a fact liberal states tend to have slightly lower suicide rates than conservative states, it might be that liberal states are more likely to legalize pot. Or it might be that there's another causal factor behind all three.


Like living in a state where you aren't surrounded by authoritarian assholes makes one less likely to of themselves.
 
2014-02-05 02:09:01 AM

gozar_the_destroyer: Gunther: Correlation ≠ causation. I know for a fact liberal states tend to have slightly lower suicide rates than conservative states, it might be that liberal states are more likely to legalize pot. Or it might be that there's another causal factor behind all three.

Like not living around as many neurotic and uptight people that are obsessed with judging others to cover up their personal flaws, perceived or otherwise?

I hear being around stressed people will make you stressed.


You know what I'm talking about
 
2014-02-05 02:13:09 AM

anallyproper: so, how long have the state that have it legal have had it legal ?


MMJ has been on the books in CA since 1996. It was the first state to do so.

California decriminalized it just a few years ago. Arnie signed it into law in 2010. Essentially, if you're caught with less than an ounce, you're issued a summons to appear, much like a parking ticket. I'd been caught with it a couple times back in the seventies, and had the officer dump it out on me. Now it's so mainstream you really gotta be screwing up to even get a summons.

I hear that here in Humboldt you don't even have to pay for it. Eventually you find out some of those folks you've known for years are growing it and are more than willing to hook up a fellow stoner with some killer nugs. I think I heard something like that anyway...
 
2014-02-05 02:15:07 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: I've always hated medical marijuana as a tactic to create loopholes for junkies.

I'm on the Washington and Colorado bandwagon of outright legalization. If someone wants their fix, let them have it. Don't turn doctors into liars.

That said, if marijuana has positive medical benefits, then some aspiring scientist at Big Pharma ought to be able to isolate the effective compounds and develop a delivery system of them that doesn't intoxicate the patient and doesn't require them to smoke it.


You don't need bid pharma.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlotte's_Web_(cannabis)
 
2014-02-05 02:23:37 AM

iheartscotch: But they DO have a higher possibility of cooked babby; so there is that....


2012bloghoax.s3.amazonaws.com
 
2014-02-05 02:27:05 AM

gozar_the_destroyer: impaler: Infest, ingest, fark you auto complete

I think you meant to type inhale. Ingest involves digesting first, which means you have to swallow it, run it through the stomach and into the intestines to get it into the blood steam. Inhaling only requires it to pass through your lungs and not agitate them badly to enter the blood steam.

\could be worse
\\could be purified and then put in suspension in saline
\\\then injected in!


I was totally sitei could come in and say "Oh no, ingest just means to take it internally." But after some Googling, you are correct sir.

I put myself on a pedal stool. Everybody has a blind spot.
 
2014-02-05 02:28:08 AM

morg: AverageAmericanGuy: I've always hated medical marijuana as a tactic to create loopholes for junkies.

I'm on the Washington and Colorado bandwagon of outright legalization. If someone wants their fix, let them have it. Don't turn doctors into liars.

That said, if marijuana has positive medical benefits, then some aspiring scientist at Big Pharma ought to be able to isolate the effective compounds and develop a delivery system of them that doesn't intoxicate the patient and doesn't require them to smoke it.

You don't need bid pharma.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlotte's_Web_(cannabis)


You need to have solid research proving the efficacy of the drug, and that is going to take the backing of a monied party. I remember seeing this girl on the news last year and was glad she was getting the treatment she needed. However, while she may be positively responding to the treatment, that is not proof of the treatment's efficacy (just as lower suicide rates in MMJ states is not proof of the anti-suicide effects of MJ). More study is needed.

That said, if there were an outright legalization of the drug, then the CBD oil could be sold in stores as a nutritional supplement (and obviously all the risk of hucksterism that goes along with that). And if it were legal, it would be possible to regulate the production of the CBD oil to defined standards of concentration and purity. MMJ does not allow for either of those two outcomes, nor do the primary proponents of MMJ (stoners) want marijuana that is low in THC since THC is the foremost reason they want to take the drug.
 
2014-02-05 02:43:13 AM

fusillade762: iheartscotch: But they DO have a higher possibility of cooked babby; so there is that....


God that needs an Oxford Comma.

/ I do enjoy thinking about all of the hours I wasted listening to inept presenters talk about something they knew nothing about. (Sarcasm)
 
2014-02-05 02:48:27 AM
I wonder what the point of legality has to do with it.  Pot use in Alaska is off the charts, only quasi-legally though, yet the suicide rate is one of the highest (the highest?) in the nation, especially for young men.
 
2014-02-05 02:48:36 AM

impaler: Gunther: Correlation ≠ causation. I know for a fact liberal states tend to have slightly lower suicide rates than conservative states, it might be that liberal states are more likely to legalize pot. Or it might be that there's another causal factor behind all three.

Like living in a state where you aren't surrounded by authoritarian assholes makes one less likely to of themselves.


"Correlation != causation, but now let's make statements that imply causation!  Yea!"
You know liberal states have more incidents of school shootings?  Since 1996 CO is in the lead with most incidents and highest body count*, CA and FL complete the top 3.

*VA (VA Tech) and CT (Sandy Hook) have the highest single incident body count.

In short, correlation still does not equal causation, marijuana shouldn't be "for medical use only" but legalized and treated like alcohol, and finally, FTA:
"Females could respond to marijuana differently than males. Females could respond to alcohol differently than males. It's even possible that they respond to legalization differently than males."
What the hell does that even mean?!
 
2014-02-05 03:02:17 AM

gadian: I wonder what the point of legality has to do with it.  Pot use in Alaska is off the charts, only quasi-legally though, yet the suicide rate is one of the highest (the highest?) in the nation, especially for young men.


When it's dark for 23 hours a day, even the dankest of the dank isn't going to do much for your mood.
 
2014-02-05 03:11:59 AM

Fecal Conservative: SilverStag: I read the headline as SPLIFFY tag steps in.....

/Second.jpg


Came here to say Fark needs a SPLIFFY tag for these occasions.
 
2014-02-05 03:15:05 AM

fusillade762: The effect on males was clear

Correlation, causation, etc.


THIS.
 
2014-02-05 03:35:15 AM

SilverStag: I read the headline as SPLIFFY tag steps in.....


Came here to say that ...
 
2014-02-05 03:40:13 AM

Salieri_82: gadian: I wonder what the point of legality has to do with it.  Pot use in Alaska is off the charts, only quasi-legally though, yet the suicide rate is one of the highest (the highest?) in the nation, especially for young men.

When it's dark for 23 hours a day, even the dankest of the dank isn't going to do much for your mood.



In addition to that you have quite a bit of poverty.  If I remember right suicides in Alaska aren't actually significantly correllated with the winter(though the prospect of another one might be).

Sun Lamps people, sun lamps.
 
2014-02-05 03:49:02 AM

gadian: I wonder what the point of legality has to do with it.  Pot use in Alaska is off the charts, only quasi-legally though, yet the suicide rate is one of the highest (the highest?) in the nation, especially for young men.


It is. I checked it, I thought it was Utah at first because I thought I remembered Utah being number 1 in antidepressant prescriptions. The 10 states with the highest suicide rates are Alaska, New Mexico, Wyoming, Montana, Nevada, Colorado, Arizona, West Virginia, Utah and Oregon. I'm actually quite surprised so many western/mountain states are on there, with no other link that jumps out. Places like Arizona and Oregon don't have much else in common besides location and being less densely populated than other states. You've got desert, mountain, forest, fark I'm constantly buried in snow. Except for the urban parts of Oregon, New Mexico and Colorado, I guess conservatism is the only other link they have, but the conservative southern states only have West Virginia represented. It's odd.
 
2014-02-05 03:51:46 AM

UseLessHuman: So take all the fun out of it and put the remainder in a bottle? Did you consider that fun might have positive medical benefits too, or that the fun may be the medicinal part of the experience?


Not everyone thinks smoking is "fun".
Did you consider that the smoke itself might have medical detriments by itself?  That's especially true for people with asthma or other lung problems.
Did you consider that some people might not want to smoke something  -- especially something that would make them high -- for religious reasons (Mormons come to mind)?

There are many practical reasons for isolating and making non-intoxicating variants of the active ingredients in marijuana, it isn't just because "they" are anti-fun prudes.  I hate the way smoking feels, and if I was going to take a thc-based medicine I'd rather it be in non-intoxicating pill form.
 
2014-02-05 03:54:15 AM
AverageAmericanGuy:That said, if marijuana has positive medical benefits, then some aspiring scientist at Big Pharma ought to be able to isolate the effective compounds and develop a delivery system of them that doesn't intoxicate the patient and doesn't require them to smoke it.

Doctors have.  I don't know about "Big Pharma".  Something about some child having an exceptionally large amount of seizures and the cannabis helped.  Something in cannabis besides THC did it. So they found a strain that had a large amount of this chemical and then somehow isolated it and gave it to this child.  I believe it stopped all seizures.

No source, find your own or call me a liar.
 
2014-02-05 03:54:22 AM

fusillade762: ladyfortuna: SilentStrider: AverageAmericanGuy: That said, if marijuana has positive medical benefits, then some aspiring scientist at Big Pharma ought to be able to isolate the effective compounds and develop a delivery system of them that doesn't intoxicate the patient and doesn't require them to smoke it.

while this is certainly possible, it would be a lot easier and more cost effective quite frankly to smoke it.

I've always heard that smoking it is almost as bad as cigarettes. Any info?

It's not.

Marijuana And Lungs: Study Finds Drug Doesn't Do Same Kind Of Damage As Tobacco

Though that's partially because almost no one smokes 20 joints a day.


Yeah, I doubt it's as bad as ciggs due to lacking quite so much junk like tar, but I would doubt that sucking ANY kind of smokey particulates into your lungs is particularly good for them.
 
2014-02-05 04:01:24 AM

firefly212: fusillade762: The effect on males was clear

Correlation, causation, etc. That said, this is interesting and could use more study. Where do I volunteer?

You volunteer in the same book where you learn that time-series analysis isn't just correlation

http://www.statlab.uni-heidelberg.de/people/eichler/handbook.pdf


Unless there is an order of one standard deviation difference, no statistical causation can be determined.

Causation is useless without this.
 
2014-02-05 04:04:02 AM

Benderama: AverageAmericanGuy:That said, if marijuana has positive medical benefits, then some aspiring scientist at Big Pharma ought to be able to isolate the effective compounds and develop a delivery system of them that doesn't intoxicate the patient and doesn't require them to smoke it.

Doctors have.  I don't know about "Big Pharma".  Something about some child having an exceptionally large amount of seizures and the cannabis helped.  Something in cannabis besides THC did it. So they found a strain that had a large amount of this chemical and then somehow isolated it and gave it to this child.  I believe it stopped all seizures.

No source, find your own or call me a liar.


I already addressed this in a previous comment. Please continue reading. You may find yourself agreeing with me.

I am not against medical marijuana as such. I am against the pretense of medical marijuana to provide stoners their drugs as it encourages the prescription of drugs (untested and unproven) for recreational purposes rather than for actual medicinal purposes.
 
2014-02-05 04:07:17 AM

Gawdzila: UseLessHuman: So take all the fun out of it and put the remainder in a bottle? Did you consider that fun might have positive medical benefits too, or that the fun may be the medicinal part of the experience?

Not everyone thinks smoking is "fun".
Did you consider that the smoke itself might have medical detriments by itself?  That's especially true for people with asthma or other lung problems.
Did you consider that some people might not want to smoke something  -- especially something that would make them high -- for religious reasons (Mormons come to mind)?

There are many practical reasons for isolating and making non-intoxicating variants of the active ingredients in marijuana, it isn't just because "they" are anti-fun prudes.  I hate the way smoking feels, and if I was going to take a thc-based medicine I'd rather it be in non-intoxicating pill form.


Marinol is that pill form and it doesn't work nearly as well medicinally. Weed comes in all forms, Charlottes Web strain comes to mind.
 
2014-02-05 04:09:15 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: Benderama: AverageAmericanGuy:That said, if marijuana has positive medical benefits, then some aspiring scientist at Big Pharma ought to be able to isolate the effective compounds and develop a delivery system of them that doesn't intoxicate the patient and doesn't require them to smoke it.

Doctors have.  I don't know about "Big Pharma".  Something about some child having an exceptionally large amount of seizures and the cannabis helped.  Something in cannabis besides THC did it. So they found a strain that had a large amount of this chemical and then somehow isolated it and gave it to this child.  I believe it stopped all seizures.

No source, find your own or call me a liar.

I already addressed this in a previous comment. Please continue reading. You may find yourself agreeing with me.

I am not against medical marijuana as such. I am against the pretense of medical marijuana to provide stoners their drugs as it encourages the prescription of drugs (untested and unproven) for recreational purposes rather than for actual medicinal purposes.


That pretense is leading to the outright legalization of marijuana in this country, I love it.
 
2014-02-05 04:09:19 AM
Also, states with liberal cannabis laws are significantly wealthier than the others.

Cannabis leads to suicide = proven false
Cannabis leads to poverty = proven false

what next?
 
2014-02-05 04:09:23 AM
Where are the peer reviewed studies of Charlotte's Web?
 
2014-02-05 04:14:11 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: Where are the peer reviewed studies of Charlotte's Web?


Ain't that being a bit specific, especially when you think about all the peer reviewed studies on medical marijuana. I thought you were claiming to be for medical marijuana, as long as those "junkies" don't take advantage. Weird change in your argument.
 
2014-02-05 04:18:07 AM

TheJoe03: AverageAmericanGuy: Where are the peer reviewed studies of Charlotte's Web?

Ain't that being a bit specific, especially when you think about all the peer reviewed studies on medical marijuana. I thought you were claiming to be for medical marijuana, as long as those "junkies" don't take advantage. Weird change in your argument.


Seems appropriate considering its been brought up by name twice in this discussion.
 
2014-02-05 04:19:32 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: I am not against medical marijuana as such. I am against the pretense of medical marijuana to provide stoners their drugs as it encourages the prescription of drugs (untested and unproven) for recreational purposes rather than for actual medicinal purposes.


I can respect that. But the reasonable way around that is to just flat out legalize marijuana.

When the laws against a drug have orders of magnitude negative effect on one's life than the effects of the drug itself, something is seriously farked up. Especially in "the land of the free."
 
2014-02-05 04:19:57 AM
States with legalized medical marijuana have been shown to have lower suicide rates than those that don't. Cool tag gets the munchies, spiffy spliffy tag steps in.
 
2014-02-05 04:24:21 AM

TheJoe03: AverageAmericanGuy: Where are the peer reviewed studies of Charlotte's Web?

Ain't that being a bit specific, especially when you think about all the peer reviewed studies on medical marijuana. I thought you were claiming to be for medical marijuana, as long as those "junkies" don't take advantage. Weird change in your argument.


He's for legalization. Against the dangerous precedent medical marijuana might have set.
 
2014-02-05 04:24:35 AM

WhiskeyBoy: impaler: Gunther: Correlation ≠ causation. I know for a fact liberal states tend to have slightly lower suicide rates than conservative states, it might be that liberal states are more likely to legalize pot. Or it might be that there's another causal factor behind all three.

Like living in a state where you aren't surrounded by authoritarian assholes makes one less likely to of themselves.


"Correlation != causation, but now let's make statements that imply causation!  Yea!"


"Shark attacks increase with the sale of ice cream"

Gunther: Correlation ≠ causation.

Impaler: Like the time of the year when you buy ice cream, you are more likely to go swimming.

WhiskeyBoy: Correlation != causation, but now let's make statements that imply causation!  Yea!

That's what you just said.
 
2014-02-05 04:29:06 AM

Benderama: TheJoe03: AverageAmericanGuy: Where are the peer reviewed studies of Charlotte's Web?

Ain't that being a bit specific, especially when you think about all the peer reviewed studies on medical marijuana. I thought you were claiming to be for medical marijuana, as long as those "junkies" don't take advantage. Weird change in your argument.

He's for legalization. Against the dangerous precedent medical marijuana might have set.


To quote my self

Marijuana is the only drug I know of that was legalized by the people and not by the FDA.  These are the same people that elected (insert name of politician you hate).
 
2014-02-05 04:30:42 AM
Also less Jesus (per capita).

Correlation, causation, etc., etc., ad nauseum.
 
2014-02-05 04:31:54 AM

Benderama: TheJoe03: AverageAmericanGuy: Where are the peer reviewed studies of Charlotte's Web?

Ain't that being a bit specific, especially when you think about all the peer reviewed studies on medical marijuana. I thought you were claiming to be for medical marijuana, as long as those "junkies" don't take advantage. Weird change in your argument.

He's for legalization. Against the dangerous precedent medical marijuana might have set.


The dangerous precedent of making the public more willing to support legalizing weed for recreational purposes? That's what I'm arguing with him about.
 
2014-02-05 04:33:19 AM

TheJoe03: Benderama: TheJoe03: AverageAmericanGuy: Where are the peer reviewed studies of Charlotte's Web?

Ain't that being a bit specific, especially when you think about all the peer reviewed studies on medical marijuana. I thought you were claiming to be for medical marijuana, as long as those "junkies" don't take advantage. Weird change in your argument.

He's for legalization. Against the dangerous precedent medical marijuana might have set.

The dangerous precedent of making the public more willing to support legalizing weed for recreational purposes? That's what I'm arguing with him about.


Where has he stated he's against legalization?
 
2014-02-05 04:34:03 AM

Benderama: Benderama: TheJoe03: AverageAmericanGuy: Where are the peer reviewed studies of Charlotte's Web?

Ain't that being a bit specific, especially when you think about all the peer reviewed studies on medical marijuana. I thought you were claiming to be for medical marijuana, as long as those "junkies" don't take advantage. Weird change in your argument.

He's for legalization. Against the dangerous precedent medical marijuana might have set.

To quote my self

Marijuana is the only drug I know of that was legalized by the people and not by the FDA.  These are the same people that elected (insert name of politician you hate).


Yeah, democracy is totally gay.
 
2014-02-05 04:35:04 AM

Benderama: TheJoe03: Benderama: TheJoe03: AverageAmericanGuy: Where are the peer reviewed studies of Charlotte's Web?

Ain't that being a bit specific, especially when you think about all the peer reviewed studies on medical marijuana. I thought you were claiming to be for medical marijuana, as long as those "junkies" don't take advantage. Weird change in your argument.

He's for legalization. Against the dangerous precedent medical marijuana might have set.

The dangerous precedent of making the public more willing to support legalizing weed for recreational purposes? That's what I'm arguing with him about.

Where has he stated he's against legalization?


I'm wondering why he cares that medical marijuana has been used to ease us into legal weed, pay attention instead of putting words in my mouth.
 
2014-02-05 04:35:35 AM

WhiskeyBoy: You know liberal states have more incidents of school shootings?  Since 1996 CO is in the lead with most incidents and highest body count*, CA and FL complete the top 3.


School shooting map:
Link

imgs.xkcd.com
 
2014-02-05 04:42:09 AM
This is bad news for the "The world is too overpopulated" crowd.

I've come to refer to them as Big Overpopulation. The Bildenergs/illuminati/Rothschilds will neve allow it.
 
2014-02-05 04:43:53 AM

TheJoe03: Benderama: TheJoe03: AverageAmericanGuy: Where are the peer reviewed studies of Charlotte's Web?

Ain't that being a bit specific, especially when you think about all the peer reviewed studies on medical marijuana. I thought you were claiming to be for medical marijuana, as long as those "junkies" don't take advantage. Weird change in your argument.

He's for legalization. Against the dangerous precedent medical marijuana might have set.

The dangerous precedent of making the public more willing to support legalizing weed for recreational purposes? That's what I'm arguing with him about.


Talk about mistaking correlation with causation.
 
2014-02-05 04:46:13 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: TheJoe03: Benderama: TheJoe03: AverageAmericanGuy: Where are the peer reviewed studies of Charlotte's Web?

Ain't that being a bit specific, especially when you think about all the peer reviewed studies on medical marijuana. I thought you were claiming to be for medical marijuana, as long as those "junkies" don't take advantage. Weird change in your argument.

He's for legalization. Against the dangerous precedent medical marijuana might have set.

The dangerous precedent of making the public more willing to support legalizing weed for recreational purposes? That's what I'm arguing with him about.

Talk about mistaking correlation with causation.


Maybe, but making medical marijuana legal (which Americans have supported for at least a decade) seems to have led to this current environment. Seems you have no argument though, you're just mad at weed junkies I guess.
 
2014-02-05 04:47:54 AM
It's called baby steps. If we just went for legal weed without that middle step it probably wouldn't have worked out so well.
 
2014-02-05 04:49:57 AM

TheJoe03: Benderama: Benderama: TheJoe03: AverageAmericanGuy: Where are the peer reviewed studies of Charlotte's Web?

Ain't that being a bit specific, especially when you think about all the peer reviewed studies on medical marijuana. I thought you were claiming to be for medical marijuana, as long as those "junkies" don't take advantage. Weird change in your argument.

He's for legalization. Against the dangerous precedent medical marijuana might have set.

To quote my self

Marijuana is the only drug I know of that was legalized by the people and not by the FDA.  These are the same people that elected (insert name of politician you hate).

Yeah, democracy is totally gay.


Last I checked, the FDA was created by a democracy.

And not to put words into your mouth, I guess you would be OK with people voting into law anti-vaccination efforts because democracy rules and voters are informed and the best choice in making such decisions.

So voters using medical marijuana as a forum for recreational legalization in my opinion are not the good guys nor are they bad. This isn't something that should be on a ballot at all.

I am for recreational marijuana.

I am not a doctor, nor do I play one on TV but I voted for medical marijuana.
 
2014-02-05 04:54:15 AM

Benderama: TheJoe03: Benderama: Benderama: TheJoe03: AverageAmericanGuy: Where are the peer reviewed studies of Charlotte's Web?

Ain't that being a bit specific, especially when you think about all the peer reviewed studies on medical marijuana. I thought you were claiming to be for medical marijuana, as long as those "junkies" don't take advantage. Weird change in your argument.

He's for legalization. Against the dangerous precedent medical marijuana might have set.

To quote my self

Marijuana is the only drug I know of that was legalized by the people and not by the FDA.  These are the same people that elected (insert name of politician you hate).

Yeah, democracy is totally gay.

Last I checked, the FDA was created by a democracy.

And not to put words into your mouth, I guess you would be OK with people voting into law anti-vaccination efforts because democracy rules and voters are informed and the best choice in making such decisions.

So voters using medical marijuana as a forum for recreational legalization in my opinion are not the good guys nor are they bad. This isn't something that should be on a ballot at all.

I am for recreational marijuana.

I am not a doctor, nor do I play one on TV but I voted for medical marijuana.


Why shouldn't it be on the ballot? Gambling is on the ballot, why not weed? You really compared weed with anti vaccination? Do you even have a real argument? If you're for making weed legal, why would you care that voters do as well? Very strange argument on your part. This whole legal weed initiative is the only thing that has even sparked a discussion with our out of touch politicians. What are you fighting against exactly? Is this a semantic argument about the role of direct democracy?
 
2014-02-05 04:55:32 AM
Do you think the FDA actually has a kosher reason to claim weed is so evil?
 
2014-02-05 04:58:47 AM

TheJoe03: Why shouldn't it be on the ballot? Gambling is on the ballot, why not weed? You really compared weed with anti vaccination? Do you even have a real argument? If you're for making weed legal, why would you care that voters do as well?


Calm down Francis. He's just saying don't trust democracy to do the right thing. And if enough idiots become anti vaccination, he would be right.
 
2014-02-05 04:59:48 AM

TheJoe03: Do you think the FDA actually has a kosher reason to claim weed is so evil?


It's not the FDA that cares, it's the DEA.
 
2014-02-05 04:59:52 AM

TheJoe03: AverageAmericanGuy: TheJoe03: Benderama: TheJoe03: AverageAmericanGuy: Where are the peer reviewed studies of Charlotte's Web?

Ain't that being a bit specific, especially when you think about all the peer reviewed studies on medical marijuana. I thought you were claiming to be for medical marijuana, as long as those "junkies" don't take advantage. Weird change in your argument.

He's for legalization. Against the dangerous precedent medical marijuana might have set.

The dangerous precedent of making the public more willing to support legalizing weed for recreational purposes? That's what I'm arguing with him about.

Talk about mistaking correlation with causation.

Maybe, but making medical marijuana legal (which Americans have supported for at least a decade) seems to have led to this current environment. Seems you have no argument though, you're just mad at weed junkies I guess.


Since we're just making shiat up, how about assuming that the cultural shift capable of putting a pro-cannabis initiative up for a vote and succeeding was already underway and that legalization would have occurred in those two states regardless of the existence of medical marijuana laws in them. And since we're just throwing ideas around, perhaps we can also assume that medical marijuana foes were empowered by their backers to take a harder line thus making more difficult the passage of outright legalization.

Since we aren't doing anything but bullshiatting here.
 
2014-02-05 05:01:23 AM

impaler: TheJoe03: Why shouldn't it be on the ballot? Gambling is on the ballot, why not weed? You really compared weed with anti vaccination? Do you even have a real argument? If you're for making weed legal, why would you care that voters do as well?

Calm down Francis. He's just saying don't trust democracy to do the right thing. And if enough idiots become anti vaccination, he would be right.


You can say that about any issue, so what is it about weed that prevents it from being voted in through a ballot? I've voted here in CA on various issues, that's our system, we still have vaccines. Bad argument, Francis.
 
2014-02-05 05:01:30 AM
Empowered, emboldened. Whatever.
 
2014-02-05 05:02:13 AM

impaler: TheJoe03: Do you think the FDA actually has a kosher reason to claim weed is so evil?

It's not the FDA that cares, it's the DEA.


He said FDA, trying to be on topic here.
 
2014-02-05 05:03:18 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: Since we're just making shiat up, how about assuming that the cultural shift capable of putting a pro-cannabis initiative up for a vote and succeeding was already underway and that legalization would have occurred in those two states regardless of the existence of medical marijuana laws in them. And since we're just throwing ideas around, perhaps we can also assume that medical marijuana foes were empowered by their backers to take a harder line thus making more difficult the passage of outright legalization.

Since we aren't doing anything but bullshiatting here.


Well, if you ignore the fact that Colorado and Washington were some of the first states to legalize medicinal marijuana, that argument may make sense. Otherwise it seems moronic.
 
2014-02-05 05:04:13 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: TheJoe03: AverageAmericanGuy: TheJoe03: Benderama: TheJoe03: AverageAmericanGuy: Where are the peer reviewed studies of Charlotte's Web?

Ain't that being a bit specific, especially when you think about all the peer reviewed studies on medical marijuana. I thought you were claiming to be for medical marijuana, as long as those "junkies" don't take advantage. Weird change in your argument.

He's for legalization. Against the dangerous precedent medical marijuana might have set.

The dangerous precedent of making the public more willing to support legalizing weed for recreational purposes? That's what I'm arguing with him about.

Talk about mistaking correlation with causation.

Maybe, but making medical marijuana legal (which Americans have supported for at least a decade) seems to have led to this current environment. Seems you have no argument though, you're just mad at weed junkies I guess.

Since we're just making shiat up, how about assuming that the cultural shift capable of putting a pro-cannabis initiative up for a vote and succeeding was already underway and that legalization would have occurred in those two states regardless of the existence of medical marijuana laws in them. And since we're just throwing ideas around, perhaps we can also assume that medical marijuana foes were empowered by their backers to take a harder line thus making more difficult the passage of outright legalization.

Since we aren't doing anything but bullshiatting here.


Perhaps, but I think medical marijuana is a great transition. The two states they legalized had a medical program already in place. Just makes the transition easier. If anti weed people didn't exist these half measures wouldn't be necessary.
 
2014-02-05 05:05:29 AM

TheJoe03: Benderama: TheJoe03: Benderama: Benderama: TheJoe03: AverageAmericanGuy: Where are the peer reviewed studies of Charlotte's Web?

Ain't that being a bit specific, especially when you think about all the peer reviewed studies on medical marijuana. I thought you were claiming to be for medical marijuana, as long as those "junkies" don't take advantage. Weird change in your argument.

He's for legalization. Against the dangerous precedent medical marijuana might have set.

To quote my self

Marijuana is the only drug I know of that was legalized by the people and not by the FDA.  These are the same people that elected (insert name of politician you hate).

Yeah, democracy is totally gay.

Last I checked, the FDA was created by a democracy.

And not to put words into your mouth, I guess you would be OK with people voting into law anti-vaccination efforts because democracy rules and voters are informed and the best choice in making such decisions.

So voters using medical marijuana as a forum for recreational legalization in my opinion are not the good guys nor are they bad. This isn't something that should be on a ballot at all.

I am for recreational marijuana.

I am not a doctor, nor do I play one on TV but I voted for medical marijuana.

Why shouldn't it be on the ballot? Gambling is on the ballot, why not weed? You really compared weed with anti vaccination? Do you even have a real argument? If you're for making weed legal, why would you care that voters do as well? Very strange argument on your part. This whole legal weed initiative is the only thing that has even sparked a discussion with our out of touch politicians. What are you fighting against exactly? Is this a semantic argument about the role of direct democracy?


You sir brought up democracy.

I just think it's sketchy that "medical treatments" can be allowed by vote without proper (scientific) vetting.  Granted marijuana was made illegal with no scientific vetting, but that. without science, was obviously not on any medical basis.
 
2014-02-05 05:07:24 AM

TheJoe03: AverageAmericanGuy: TheJoe03: AverageAmericanGuy: TheJoe03: Benderama: TheJoe03: AverageAmericanGuy: Where are the peer reviewed studies of Charlotte's Web?

Ain't that being a bit specific, especially when you think about all the peer reviewed studies on medical marijuana. I thought you were claiming to be for medical marijuana, as long as those "junkies" don't take advantage. Weird change in your argument.

He's for legalization. Against the dangerous precedent medical marijuana might have set.

The dangerous precedent of making the public more willing to support legalizing weed for recreational purposes? That's what I'm arguing with him about.

Talk about mistaking correlation with causation.

Maybe, but making medical marijuana legal (which Americans have supported for at least a decade) seems to have led to this current environment. Seems you have no argument though, you're just mad at weed junkies I guess.

Since we're just making shiat up, how about assuming that the cultural shift capable of putting a pro-cannabis initiative up for a vote and succeeding was already underway and that legalization would have occurred in those two states regardless of the existence of medical marijuana laws in them. And since we're just throwing ideas around, perhaps we can also assume that medical marijuana foes were empowered by their backers to take a harder line thus making more difficult the passage of outright legalization.

Since we aren't doing anything but bullshiatting here.

Perhaps, but I think medical marijuana is a great transition. The two states they legalized had a medical program already in place. Just makes the transition easier. If anti weed people didn't exist these half measures wouldn't be necessary.


I will tell you what, though. I am at least glad the hemp heads have finally gotten their weed, because that shiat was even more duplicitous than the MMJ people.
 
2014-02-05 05:08:15 AM

Benderama: TheJoe03: Benderama: TheJoe03: Benderama: Benderama: TheJoe03: AverageAmericanGuy: Where are the peer reviewed studies of Charlotte's Web?

Ain't that being a bit specific, especially when you think about all the peer reviewed studies on medical marijuana. I thought you were claiming to be for medical marijuana, as long as those "junkies" don't take advantage. Weird change in your argument.

He's for legalization. Against the dangerous precedent medical marijuana might have set.

To quote my self

Marijuana is the only drug I know of that was legalized by the people and not by the FDA.  These are the same people that elected (insert name of politician you hate).

Yeah, democracy is totally gay.

Last I checked, the FDA was created by a democracy.

And not to put words into your mouth, I guess you would be OK with people voting into law anti-vaccination efforts because democracy rules and voters are informed and the best choice in making such decisions.

So voters using medical marijuana as a forum for recreational legalization in my opinion are not the good guys nor are they bad. This isn't something that should be on a ballot at all.

I am for recreational marijuana.

I am not a doctor, nor do I play one on TV but I voted for medical marijuana.

Why shouldn't it be on the ballot? Gambling is on the ballot, why not weed? You really compared weed with anti vaccination? Do you even have a real argument? If you're for making weed legal, why would you care that voters do as well? Very strange argument on your part. This whole legal weed initiative is the only thing that has even sparked a discussion with our out of touch politicians. What are you fighting against exactly? Is this a semantic argument about the role of direct democracy?

You sir brought up democracy.

I just think it's sketchy that "medical treatments" can be allowed by vote without proper (scientific) vetting.  Granted marijuana was made illegal with no scientific vetting, but that. without science, was obviously not on any medical basis.


I know it's sketchy but I don't care, it's working. It's not like it's hurting anyone, patients get their medicine and stoners can get legal weed with no bullshiat. Fight fire with fire, the govt has been full of shiat about it since the 30s and the only way shiat changed was through the medical Trojan horse.
 
2014-02-05 05:08:43 AM

Benderama: I just think it's sketchy that "medical treatments" can be allowed by vote without proper (scientific) vetting.   Granted For instance, marijuana was made illegal with no scientific vetting


FTFY. Stronger argument IMO.
 
2014-02-05 05:10:33 AM
BTW, other than fed scientists, how has medical weed not been vetted. It's taken advantage if by healthy people but the science is there.
 
2014-02-05 05:12:52 AM

TheJoe03: I know it's sketchy but I don't care,


No arguments here.

FYI I hate getting high. Bugs the piss out of me. But my friends and I smoked in high-school/college, and the thought how my life would be different if I was caught, scares the piss out me.
 
2014-02-05 05:15:31 AM

impaler: TheJoe03: I know it's sketchy but I don't care,

No arguments here.

FYI I hate getting high. Bugs the piss out of me. But my friends and I smoked in high-school/college, and the thought how my life would be different if I was caught, scares the piss out me.


I do wonder how many states have decriminalized it at this point, it might be the most important step toward full legalization. No one should go to jail for weed, it's almost unbelievable it happens in 2014.
 
2014-02-05 05:15:56 AM

TheJoe03: BTW, other than fed scientists, how has medical weed not been vetted. It's taken advantage if by healthy people but the science is there.


When it was made illegal it wasn't "vetted." Marijuana prohibition has destroyed more lives than marijuana on it's own could ever do.
 
2014-02-05 05:16:19 AM

Esroc: Weed saved my life, in a manner of speaking. After Zoloft, Prozac, Lamictal, Depecote and Lithium all failed horribly to curb the thoughts of eating buckshot (and often times just put the thoughts into overdrive) I found that smoking a joint once or twice a week eradicated my depression. It quite literally was a miracle drug for me. I get high a few times a month and boom, no depression.

/Your mileage may vary.
//Don't just quit your meds one day and start smoking weed.
///I had a therapist who knew I was trying it on speed-dial every step of the way.



Please don't say "boom."
 
2014-02-05 05:18:06 AM

impaler: TheJoe03: BTW, other than fed scientists, how has medical weed not been vetted. It's taken advantage if by healthy people but the science is there.

When it was made illegal it wasn't "vetted." Marijuana prohibition has destroyed more lives than marijuana on it's own could ever do.


Exactly why I have no qualms that pro weed people are using medical weed and hemp to push through eventual legalization. That's the game you have to play in politics.
 
2014-02-05 05:19:44 AM

TheJoe03: impaler: TheJoe03: I know it's sketchy but I don't care,

No arguments here.

FYI I hate getting high. Bugs the piss out of me. But my friends and I smoked in high-school/college, and the thought how my life would be different if I was caught, scares the piss out me.

I do wonder how many states have decriminalized it at this point, it might be the most important step toward full legalization. No one should go to jail for weed, it's almost unbelievable it happens in 2014.


Hey, common ground.
 
2014-02-05 05:21:18 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: TheJoe03: impaler: TheJoe03: I know it's sketchy but I don't care,

No arguments here.

FYI I hate getting high. Bugs the piss out of me. But my friends and I smoked in high-school/college, and the thought how my life would be different if I was caught, scares the piss out me.

I do wonder how many states have decriminalized it at this point, it might be the most important step toward full legalization. No one should go to jail for weed, it's almost unbelievable it happens in 2014.

Hey, common ground.


We've had common ground this whole time, I just don't get why you care weed people are using medical and hemp to eventually lead us to legalization. Rome wasn't built in a day.
 
2014-02-05 05:23:35 AM

TheJoe03: impaler: TheJoe03: BTW, other than fed scientists, how has medical weed not been vetted. It's taken advantage if by healthy people but the science is there.

When it was made illegal it wasn't "vetted." Marijuana prohibition has destroyed more lives than marijuana on it's own could ever do.

Exactly why I have no qualms that pro weed people are using medical weed and hemp to push through eventual legalization. That's the game you have to play in politics.


Yep. One really can't complain that marijuana is being made legal through medicinal purposes because people will no longer have respect for the system, because the very fact marijuana is illegal does that already.
 
2014-02-05 05:23:58 AM
I also wouldn't have been adversarial if you didn't claim pothead were "junkies". That's a term for heroin addicts, made you seem like either a dick or a troll.
 
2014-02-05 05:26:04 AM

ambercat: gadian: I wonder what the point of legality has to do with it.  Pot use in Alaska is off the charts, only quasi-legally though, yet the suicide rate is one of the highest (the highest?) in the nation, especially for young men.

It is. I checked it, I thought it was Utah at first because I thought I remembered Utah being number 1 in antidepressant prescriptions. The 10 states with the highest suicide rates are Alaska, New Mexico, Wyoming, Montana, Nevada, Colorado, Arizona, West Virginia, Utah and Oregon. I'm actually quite surprised so many western/mountain states are on there, with no other link that jumps out. Places like Arizona and Oregon don't have much else in common besides location and being less densely populated than other states. You've got desert, mountain, forest, fark I'm constantly buried in snow. Except for the urban parts of Oregon, New Mexico and Colorado, I guess conservatism is the only other link they have, but the conservative southern states only have West Virginia represented. It's odd.


Yes, conservatism leads to suicide, if you're an idiot.

However, there have been recent links discovered in altitude and suicide.
 
2014-02-05 05:26:42 AM

impaler: TheJoe03: impaler: TheJoe03: BTW, other than fed scientists, how has medical weed not been vetted. It's taken advantage if by healthy people but the science is there.

When it was made illegal it wasn't "vetted." Marijuana prohibition has destroyed more lives than marijuana on it's own could ever do.

Exactly why I have no qualms that pro weed people are using medical weed and hemp to push through eventual legalization. That's the game you have to play in politics.

Yep. One really can't complain that marijuana is being made legal through medicinal purposes because people will no longer have respect for the system, because the very fact marijuana is illegal does that already.


You phrased it better than I did, cheers.
 
2014-02-05 05:29:53 AM

TheJoe03: AverageAmericanGuy: TheJoe03: impaler: TheJoe03: I know it's sketchy but I don't care,

No arguments here.

FYI I hate getting high. Bugs the piss out of me. But my friends and I smoked in high-school/college, and the thought how my life would be different if I was caught, scares the piss out me.

I do wonder how many states have decriminalized it at this point, it might be the most important step toward full legalization. No one should go to jail for weed, it's almost unbelievable it happens in 2014.

Hey, common ground.

We've had common ground this whole time, I just don't get why you care weed people are using medical and hemp to eventually lead us to legalization. Rome wasn't built in a day.


It's because MMJ says, it's okay to be doctor shopping. It's okay to write bogus scrips. It turns shiat like Limbaugh's oxy scandal into a joke and creates a class of 'medicine' that is okay to abuse.

As I said in my initial entry, it turns doctors into liars. And I am not for that.
 
2014-02-05 05:33:15 AM

impaler: WhiskeyBoy: You know liberal states have more incidents of school shootings?  Since 1996 CO is in the lead with most incidents and highest body count*, CA and FL complete the top 3.

School shooting map:
Link

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You're making my point for me.  What are we debating here?
 
2014-02-05 05:35:01 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: TheJoe03: AverageAmericanGuy: TheJoe03: impaler: TheJoe03: I know it's sketchy but I don't care,

No arguments here.

FYI I hate getting high. Bugs the piss out of me. But my friends and I smoked in high-school/college, and the thought how my life would be different if I was caught, scares the piss out me.

I do wonder how many states have decriminalized it at this point, it might be the most important step toward full legalization. No one should go to jail for weed, it's almost unbelievable it happens in 2014.

Hey, common ground.

We've had common ground this whole time, I just don't get why you care weed people are using medical and hemp to eventually lead us to legalization. Rome wasn't built in a day.

It's because MMJ says, it's okay to be doctor shopping. It's okay to write bogus scrips. It turns shiat like Limbaugh's oxy scandal into a joke and creates a class of 'medicine' that is okay to abuse.

As I said in my initial entry, it turns doctors into liars. And I am not for that.


I get that, but like I said, if it leads to acceptance of legal weed, who cares? It's a case of no harm, no foul. I recall reading about "medical" booze in Maine when the prohibitionists made it illegal. If we were talking about medicinal meth, it would be an actual problem.

/in CA it has led to de facto legalization, not abuse.
 
2014-02-05 05:35:56 AM
I have no issue gaming a system that is corrupt is all I'm trying to say. Guess we'll never agree on that.
 
2014-02-05 05:38:46 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: TheJoe03: AverageAmericanGuy: TheJoe03: impaler: TheJoe03: I know it's sketchy but I don't care,

No arguments here.

FYI I hate getting high. Bugs the piss out of me. But my friends and I smoked in high-school/college, and the thought how my life would be different if I was caught, scares the piss out me.

I do wonder how many states have decriminalized it at this point, it might be the most important step toward full legalization. No one should go to jail for weed, it's almost unbelievable it happens in 2014.

Hey, common ground.

We've had common ground this whole time, I just don't get why you care weed people are using medical and hemp to eventually lead us to legalization. Rome wasn't built in a day.

It's because MMJ says, it's okay to be doctor shopping. It's okay to write bogus scrips. It turns shiat like Limbaugh's oxy scandal into a joke and creates a class of 'medicine' that is okay to abuse.

As I said in my initial entry, it turns doctors into liars. And I am not for that.


Well doctors have always been people.  And if you are healthy, and are still looking for a cure, the cure will most likely be the one that benefits their wallet the most.
 
2014-02-05 05:41:35 AM

TheJoe03: AverageAmericanGuy: TheJoe03: AverageAmericanGuy: TheJoe03: impaler: TheJoe03: I know it's sketchy but I don't care,

No arguments here.

FYI I hate getting high. Bugs the piss out of me. But my friends and I smoked in high-school/college, and the thought how my life would be different if I was caught, scares the piss out me.

I do wonder how many states have decriminalized it at this point, it might be the most important step toward full legalization. No one should go to jail for weed, it's almost unbelievable it happens in 2014.

Hey, common ground.

We've had common ground this whole time, I just don't get why you care weed people are using medical and hemp to eventually lead us to legalization. Rome wasn't built in a day.

It's because MMJ says, it's okay to be doctor shopping. It's okay to write bogus scrips. It turns shiat like Limbaugh's oxy scandal into a joke and creates a class of 'medicine' that is okay to abuse.

As I said in my initial entry, it turns doctors into liars. And I am not for that.

I get that, but like I said, if it leads to acceptance of legal weed, who cares? It's a case of no harm, no foul. I recall reading about "medical" booze in Maine when the prohibitionists made it illegal. If we were talking about medicinal meth, it would be an actual problem.

/in CA it has led to de facto legalization, not abuse.


So where do you draw the line?  What would have to be done in the name of legalizing weed that would make you say "Hold on. I think we've gone too far."
 
2014-02-05 05:42:45 AM

Benderama: TheJoe03: AverageAmericanGuy: TheJoe03: AverageAmericanGuy: TheJoe03: impaler: TheJoe03: I know it's sketchy but I don't care,

No arguments here.

FYI I hate getting high. Bugs the piss out of me. But my friends and I smoked in high-school/college, and the thought how my life would be different if I was caught, scares the piss out me.

I do wonder how many states have decriminalized it at this point, it might be the most important step toward full legalization. No one should go to jail for weed, it's almost unbelievable it happens in 2014.

Hey, common ground.

We've had common ground this whole time, I just don't get why you care weed people are using medical and hemp to eventually lead us to legalization. Rome wasn't built in a day.

It's because MMJ says, it's okay to be doctor shopping. It's okay to write bogus scrips. It turns shiat like Limbaugh's oxy scandal into a joke and creates a class of 'medicine' that is okay to abuse.

As I said in my initial entry, it turns doctors into liars. And I am not for that.

I get that, but like I said, if it leads to acceptance of legal weed, who cares? It's a case of no harm, no foul. I recall reading about "medical" booze in Maine when the prohibitionists made it illegal. If we were talking about medicinal meth, it would be an actual problem.

/in CA it has led to de facto legalization, not abuse.

So where do you draw the line?  What would have to be done in the name of legalizing weed that would make you say "Hold on. I think we've gone too far."


Hurting people?
 
2014-02-05 05:44:46 AM
I think decriminalizing weed in states where it's not should be done, I think making medical marijuana legal in non medical states should be done, I think making hemp legal where it is not should b done, and eventually that will ease into legal weed in the US. Pretty basic. Baby steps.
 
2014-02-05 06:16:54 AM
Medical Marijuana is a lie. Marijuana itsself is MUCH MORE HARMFUL than methampheatmines and SUPER HEROINE combined.

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2014-02-05 06:28:25 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: morg: AverageAmericanGuy: I've always hated medical marijuana as a tactic to create loopholes for junkies.

I'm on the Washington and Colorado bandwagon of outright legalization. If someone wants their fix, let them have it. Don't turn doctors into liars.

That said, if marijuana has positive medical benefits, then some aspiring scientist at Big Pharma ought to be able to isolate the effective compounds and develop a delivery system of them that doesn't intoxicate the patient and doesn't require them to smoke it.

You don't need bid pharma.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlotte's_Web_(cannabis)

You need to have solid research proving the efficacy of the drug, and that is going to take the backing of a monied party. I remember seeing this girl on the news last year and was glad she was getting the treatment she needed. However, while she may be positively responding to the treatment, that is not proof of the treatment's efficacy (just as lower suicide rates in MMJ states is not proof of the anti-suicide effects of MJ). More study is needed.

That said, if there were an outright legalization of the drug, then the CBD oil could be sold in stores as a nutritional supplement (and obviously all the risk of hucksterism that goes along with that). And if it were legal, it would be possible to regulate the production of the CBD oil to defined standards of concentration and purity. MMJ does not allow for either of those two outcomes, nor do the primary proponents of MMJ (stoners) want marijuana that is low in THC since THC is the foremost reason they want to take the drug.


If you mean the DEA when you say "monied parties" you are correct. Unlike any other drug research that is in the realm of the FDA, marijuana is controlled by the DEA. They have a long history of only supplying weed for research to studies trying to show it is bad.
 
2014-02-05 06:28:33 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: I've always hated medical marijuana as a tactic to create loopholes for junkies.

I'm on the Washington and Colorado bandwagon of outright legalization. If someone wants their fix, let them have it. Don't turn doctors into liars.

That said, if marijuana has positive medical benefits, then some aspiring scientist at Big Pharma ought to be able to isolate the effective compounds and develop a delivery system of them that doesn't intoxicate the patient and doesn't require them to smoke it.


Brownies are a good interim device to administer cannabis without smoking. Truffles are good if you can`t eat much. A Lassi if you can`t eat solids.

I agree that smoking is a terrible way to administer any form of medication and an injection, pill, or liquid should be developed but if we applied your main logic to other drugs we would not use Morphine in hospitals. Morphine is quite intoxicating and addictive and is basically the same drug as Heroin but has medical uses and so the side effects are dismissed and we do not call people getting pain relief in hospitals `junkies who just want to get high` or call for non-intoxicating forms of morphine.

It is a double standard to want the intoxicating effects of cannabis removed before allowing its medical use.
 
2014-02-05 06:36:23 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: That said, if there were an outright legalization of the drug, then the CBD oil could be sold in stores as a nutritional supplement (and obviously all the risk of hucksterism that goes along with that). And if it were legal, it would be possible to regulate the production of the CBD oil to defined standards of concentration and purity. MMJ does not allow for either of those two outcomes, nor do the primary proponents of MMJ (stoners) want marijuana that is low in THC since THC is the foremost reason they want to take the drug.


I`d like a citation for stoners being the foremost proponents of Medical Cannabis that is not a variation of the `true scotsman` argument being specifically that all people that use cannabis are `stoners` and therefore only `stoners` want medical cannabis...

I completely agree that proper honest legalisation is the way forward though. Then there could be regulation, standardisation, development, and investment. It would be nice to, as you say, go to a shop and get some 95% pure THC oil and add specific amounts to other things. Or CBD oil. or even THVC oil (Although pure THC would be problematic as the THC is psychoactive and the CBD is antipsychotic so you need a proper ratio to avoid issues)
 
2014-02-05 06:58:44 AM

jaybeezey: ambercat: gadian: I wonder what the point of legality has to do with it.  Pot use in Alaska is off the charts, only quasi-legally though, yet the suicide rate is one of the highest (the highest?) in the nation, especially for young men.

It is. I checked it, I thought it was Utah at first because I thought I remembered Utah being number 1 in antidepressant prescriptions. The 10 states with the highest suicide rates are Alaska, New Mexico, Wyoming, Montana, Nevada, Colorado, Arizona, West Virginia, Utah and Oregon. I'm actually quite surprised so many western/mountain states are on there, with no other link that jumps out. Places like Arizona and Oregon don't have much else in common besides location and being less densely populated than other states. You've got desert, mountain, forest, fark I'm constantly buried in snow. Except for the urban parts of Oregon, New Mexico and Colorado, I guess conservatism is the only other link they have, but the conservative southern states only have West Virginia represented. It's odd.

Yes, conservatism leads to suicide, if you're an idiot.

However, there have been recent links discovered in altitude and suicide.


I wasn't saying it caused it, just that it's a peculiar thing that jumped out at me along with geography and population density as something that linked them. Altitude makes sense though as a link, West Virginia does have mountains, as does Alaska. I didn't think of that. The thing is, Washington and California do as well, though I suppose having large cities in flatter areas might balance that out statistically.
 
2014-02-05 07:05:21 AM

dready zim: I completely agree that proper honest legalisation is the way forward though.


My wife and I were just talking about this last night.  I don't think proper, honest, national legalization is going to happen until one of the "Big City" states (New York, California, Illinois) legalizes it.  And, right now, I think everyone is waiting to see what happens to Denver and Seattle before passing anything.

Until then, the good news is that research that should have been done 30-40 years ago is being done now and is steadily chipping away at the old, dead crust of Reagan-era anti-drug propaganda and misinformation.  Inevitably, marijuana will be rescheduled according to its medical worth.

I think one of the funniest things is that it just seems like drug companies have been caught completely off guard with regards to MMJ legalization, and, as a result of being blindsided, they are still fighting a battle they fought in the 70s thinking they can win.  For example, the prices on anti-nausea meds have done nothing but increase and still continue to drive cancer patients into poverty; however, with MMJ, people have a much cheaper, more-effective alternative, and that has just got to drive these companies absolutely nuts.  And, what I see happening is that with ObamaCare's desire and effort to keep medical costs down for patients and taxpayers, you're probably going to see one hell of a huge push for medical legalization.
 
2014-02-05 07:33:28 AM

dready zim: I agree that smoking is a terrible way to administer any form of medication and an injection, pill, or liquid should be developed but if we applied your main logic to other drugs we would not use Morphine in hospitals. Morphine is quite intoxicating and addictive and is basically the same drug as Heroin but has medical uses and so the side effects are dismissed and we do not call people getting pain relief in hospitals `junkies who just want to get high` or call for non-intoxicating forms of morphine.


I understand that people who use MJ to treat the nausea caused by chemotherapy generally vaporize it, which is a closer to an e-cig than it is to a cigarette.  There's a fair amount of history with inhaled medicine - rescue inhalers, O2 supplimentation, etc...  The other option for administering medicine to a patient that can't keep anything down involves either injecting the drug(not always an option) or sticking it up the bum(large intestine walls are quite absorbant).  But inhaling is extremely fast and relatively controllable compared to a supposatory.
 
2014-02-05 07:39:07 AM

Firethorn: There's a fair amount of history with inhaled medicine


Fetch a rag...
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2014-02-05 07:59:14 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: It's because MMJ says, it's okay to be doctor shopping. It's okay to write bogus scrips. It turns shiat like Limbaugh's oxy scandal into a joke and creates a class of 'medicine' that is okay to abuse.


But, we already have that exact system right now with all prescription drugs that are possible to abuse... Have you seen any drug ads lately? They're all "Tell your doctor you need HappyPills(TM) today!", almost coming out and saying "If your doctor won't write you a prescription, keep looking until you find one that will!"... You're worried about medical marijuana corrupting a system which has been corrupt for a very long time already!
 
2014-02-05 08:10:30 AM

SilentStrider: AverageAmericanGuy: That said, if marijuana has positive medical benefits, then some aspiring scientist at Big Pharma ought to be able to isolate the effective compounds and develop a delivery system of them that doesn't intoxicate the patient and doesn't require them to smoke it.

while this is certainly possible, it would be a lot easier and more cost effective quite frankly to smoke it

eat it.

I read that some Colorado bakeries that infuse their product with marijuana are having to ration cookies and other baked goods. A lot of people outside of the druggie demographic are self-medicating.

/Grandpa's looking for Harlequin infused cookies.
 
2014-02-05 08:24:32 AM
Don't have time to read all the comments, so this may have been covered, but in no particular order;

How can the data on this really be complete if its only been a month since it was legal there? I may have missed something on that

If you're going to 'take out the part that gets you high' so nobody can relax while consuming their prescription, lets do away with all of the opiate based drugs too- they get you high also and are proven addictive.

And finally, I dont agree regular long term smoking has much of an effect on sperm. I've smoked 15 years or so very regularly, and when we decided to attempt a child- pregnant within a couple weeks.

Just my two cents...
 
2014-02-05 08:25:07 AM
Anyone that uses the word "junkies" to describe users of marijuana should be promptly ridiculed, then ignored.
 
2014-02-05 08:25:54 AM

bigsmellypenis: Don't have time to read all the comments, so this may have been covered, but in no particular order;

How can the data on this really be complete if its only been a month since it was legal there? I may have missed something on that

If you're going to 'take out the part that gets you high' so nobody can relax while consuming their prescription, lets do away with all of the opiate based drugs too- they get you high also and are proven addictive.

And finally, I dont agree regular long term smoking has much of an effect on sperm. I've smoked 15 years or so very regularly, and when we decided to attempt a child- pregnant within a couple weeks.

Just my two cents...


MEDICAL marijuana has been legal for a lot longer than a month.
 
2014-02-05 08:38:43 AM

1nsanilicious: While smoking your pot, do us all a favor and stop sharing your Facebook Lookback, nobody cared about your photos the first time you posted them.


If only there were a way that you could avoid watching the slideshow. I'm sorry they were all on autoplay and that they had to play all the way through before you could read something else
 
2014-02-05 09:51:30 AM
I'm surprised that none of the proponents of medical marijuana thread address the harmful effects of driving while under the influence of marijuana.  Bla bla bla....enjoy your weed
 
2014-02-05 10:32:03 AM

Cyrusv10: I'm surprised that none of the proponents of medical marijuana thread address the harmful effects of driving while under the influence of marijuana.  Bla bla bla....enjoy your weed


You worked really hard there, didn't you?
 
2014-02-05 10:42:22 AM

hardinparamedic: Medical Marijuana is a lie. Marijuana itsself is MUCH MORE HARMFUL than methampheatmines and SUPER HEROINE combined.


Mother: At least he died doing what he loved...!
 
2014-02-05 11:33:17 AM
So, some folks are OK with Cannabis legalization as long as you can't get high from it? Riiiiiiiiight, good luck with that.
 
2014-02-05 11:38:31 AM

Gawdzila: fusillade762: ladyfortuna: SilentStrider: AverageAmericanGuy: That said, if marijuana has positive medical benefits, then some aspiring scientist at Big Pharma ought to be able to isolate the effective compounds and develop a delivery system of them that doesn't intoxicate the patient and doesn't require them to smoke it.

while this is certainly possible, it would be a lot easier and more cost effective quite frankly to smoke it.

I've always heard that smoking it is almost as bad as cigarettes. Any info?

It's not.

Marijuana And Lungs: Study Finds Drug Doesn't Do Same Kind Of Damage As Tobacco

Though that's partially because almost no one smokes 20 joints a day.

Yeah, I doubt it's as bad as ciggs due to lacking quite so much junk like tar, but I would doubt that sucking ANY kind of smokey particulates into your lungs is particularly good for them.


it's nowhere near as toxic. a simple test will prove it instantly. just take the filter off the cig and hit it hard like you would a joint and see what happens :P
 
2014-02-05 11:42:34 AM

WhiskeyBoy: FTA:"Females could respond to marijuana differently than males. Females could respond to alcohol differently than males. It's even possible that they respond to legalization differently than males."
What the hell does that even mean?!


Fear. Fear for your white wimmins because before you know it they'll be listening to jazz and sleeping with negroes if you dare legalize that devil weed!

/Faster!
 
2014-02-05 11:42:50 AM
Ah, yes .. the infamous 'Studies say" ..
 
2014-02-05 11:53:38 AM

WhoGAS: Long term use tends to kill the swimmers (at least make 'em lazy) so less likely to get pregnant means a lot happier men not dealing with that crap.


And this is the reason Jamaica has such a terrible depopulation problem.
 
2014-02-05 02:00:43 PM

TwowheelinTim: anallyproper: so, how long have the state that have it legal have had it legal ?

MMJ has been on the books in CA since 1996. It was the first state to do so.

California decriminalized it just a few years ago. Arnie signed it into law in 2010. Essentially, if you're caught with less than an ounce, you're issued a summons to appear, much like a parking ticket. I'd been caught with it a couple times back in the seventies, and had the officer dump it out on me. Now it's so mainstream you really gotta be screwing up to even get a summons.

I hear that here in Humboldt you don't even have to pay for it. Eventually you find out some of those folks you've known for years are growing it and are more than willing to hook up a fellow stoner with some killer nugs. I think I heard something like that anyway...


That's all well and good but you can still be fired for it.  We need to change the national law to get more acceptance.  Also the makers of the saliva tests need to up their game and promote the "Are you high right now" test instead of the "have you been high sometime in the last month" test.
 
2014-02-05 05:01:28 PM

ambercat: gadian: I wonder what the point of legality has to do with it.  Pot use in Alaska is off the charts, only quasi-legally though, yet the suicide rate is one of the highest (the highest?) in the nation, especially for young men.

It is. I checked it, I thought it was Utah at first because I thought I remembered Utah being number 1 in antidepressant prescriptions. The 10 states with the highest suicide rates are Alaska, New Mexico, Wyoming, Montana, Nevada, Colorado, Arizona, West Virginia, Utah and Oregon. I'm actually quite surprised so many western/mountain states are on there, with no other link that jumps out. Places like Arizona and Oregon don't have much else in common besides location and being less densely populated than other states. You've got desert, mountain, forest, fark I'm constantly buried in snow. Except for the urban parts of Oregon, New Mexico and Colorado, I guess conservatism is the only other link they have, but the conservative southern states only have West Virginia represented. It's odd.


least population?
 
2014-02-05 08:58:16 PM
Cannabis has helped me with depression where SSRI's did not.
 
2014-02-05 11:17:25 PM
Not too surprising really.  Pot makes you too stupid and unmotivated to do something like killing yourself quickly.  Instead pot smokers do it slowly.
 
2014-02-06 12:30:35 AM

Ima4nic8or: Not too surprising really.  Pot makes you too stupid and unmotivated to do something like killing yourself quickly.  Instead pot smokers do it slowly.


Bad troll.
 
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