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2014-02-04 11:34:03 PM  
The effect on males was clear

Correlation, causation, etc. That said, this is interesting and could use more study. Where do I volunteer?
 
2014-02-04 11:36:55 PM  
Well, I ain't offed muhself yet
 
2014-02-04 11:49:30 PM  
I've always hated medical marijuana as a tactic to create loopholes for junkies.

I'm on the Washington and Colorado bandwagon of outright legalization. If someone wants their fix, let them have it. Don't turn doctors into liars.

That said, if marijuana has positive medical benefits, then some aspiring scientist at Big Pharma ought to be able to isolate the effective compounds and develop a delivery system of them that doesn't intoxicate the patient and doesn't require them to smoke it.
 
2014-02-05 12:00:11 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: I've always hated medical marijuana as a tactic to create loopholes for junkies.

I'm on the Washington and Colorado bandwagon of outright legalization. If someone wants their fix, let them have it. Don't turn doctors into liars.

That said, if marijuana has positive medical benefits, then some aspiring scientist at Big Pharma ought to be able to isolate the effective compounds and develop a delivery system of them that doesn't intoxicate the patient and doesn't require them to smoke it.


You know it might be those things that cause the intoxication are the same things that provide the medical benefits, they certainly not a reason not get high.
 
2014-02-05 12:11:49 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: That said, if marijuana has positive medical benefits, then some aspiring scientist at Big Pharma ought to be able to isolate the effective compounds and develop a delivery system of them that doesn't intoxicate the patient and doesn't require them to smoke it.


while this is certainly possible, it would be a lot easier and more cost effective quite frankly to smoke it.
 
2014-02-05 12:29:24 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: I've always hated medical marijuana as a tactic to create loopholes for junkies.


Goddamn marijuana junkies. Littering up the place with their used syringes. Disgusting.
 
2014-02-05 12:35:44 AM  

SilentStrider: AverageAmericanGuy: That said, if marijuana has positive medical benefits, then some aspiring scientist at Big Pharma ought to be able to isolate the effective compounds and develop a delivery system of them that doesn't intoxicate the patient and doesn't require them to smoke it.

while this is certainly possible, it would be a lot easier and more cost effective quite frankly to smoke it.


or vape it
 
2014-02-05 01:09:11 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Don't turn doctors into liars.


I agree. That's a job for the attorneys.
 
2014-02-05 01:09:42 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: I've always hated medical marijuana as a tactic to create loopholes for junkies.

I'm on the Washington and Colorado bandwagon of outright legalization. If someone wants their fix, let them have it. Don't turn doctors into liars.

That said, if marijuana has positive medical benefits, then some aspiring scientist at Big Pharma ought to be able to isolate the effective compounds and develop a delivery system of them that doesn't intoxicate the patient and doesn't require them to smoke it.


Smoking it doesn't require someone who is nauseated to swallow. One of the main medical uses is pain relief for people on chemo. Which has a primary side effect of extreme nausea.
 
2014-02-05 01:11:25 AM  
Of course suicide rates have gone down.  Deaths from marijuana overdose are not counted as suicides.
 
2014-02-05 01:11:53 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: I've always hated medical marijuana as a tactic to create loopholes for junkies.

I'm on the Washington and Colorado bandwagon of outright legalization. If someone wants their fix, let them have it. Don't turn doctors into liars.

That said, if marijuana has positive medical benefits, then some aspiring scientist at Big Pharma ought to be able to isolate the effective compounds and develop a delivery system of them that doesn't intoxicate the patient and doesn't require them to smoke it.


So take all the fun out of it and put the remainder in a bottle?  Did you consider that fun might have positive medical benefits too, or that the fun may be the medicinal part of the experience?  As far as the medical loophole I'm with you on why it's dumb but if people are going to write stupid nonsense laws to keep people from smoking weed, I'm willing to write stupid nonsense laws to get around it.
 
2014-02-05 01:12:37 AM  

SilentStrider: AverageAmericanGuy: That said, if marijuana has positive medical benefits, then some aspiring scientist at Big Pharma ought to be able to isolate the effective compounds and develop a delivery system of them that doesn't intoxicate the patient and doesn't require them to smoke it.

while this is certainly possible, it would be a lot easier and more cost effective quite frankly to smoke it.


I've always heard that smoking it is almost as bad as cigarettes. Any info?
 
2014-02-05 01:14:20 AM  
I'm glad.  These are hard times.
 
2014-02-05 01:14:47 AM  

ladyfortuna: SilentStrider: AverageAmericanGuy: That said, if marijuana has positive medical benefits, then some aspiring scientist at Big Pharma ought to be able to isolate the effective compounds and develop a delivery system of them that doesn't intoxicate the patient and doesn't require them to smoke it.

while this is certainly possible, it would be a lot easier and more cost effective quite frankly to smoke it.

I've always heard that smoking it is almost as bad as cigarettes. Any info?


I make sure my dealer doesn't put saltpeter in mine.
 
2014-02-05 01:15:47 AM  
I read the headline as SPLIFFY tag steps in.....
 
2014-02-05 01:16:09 AM  

fusillade762: The effect on males was clear

Correlation, causation, etc. That said, this is interesting and could use more study. Where do I volunteer?


You volunteer in the same book where you learn that time-series analysis isn't just correlation

http://www.statlab.uni-heidelberg.de/people/eichler/handbook.pdf
 
2014-02-05 01:16:32 AM  
The margin between Colorado and Washington state is 43 to 8.
 
2014-02-05 01:17:39 AM  

ladyfortuna: SilentStrider: AverageAmericanGuy: That said, if marijuana has positive medical benefits, then some aspiring scientist at Big Pharma ought to be able to isolate the effective compounds and develop a delivery system of them that doesn't intoxicate the patient and doesn't require them to smoke it.

while this is certainly possible, it would be a lot easier and more cost effective quite frankly to smoke it.

I've always heard that smoking it is almost as bad as cigarettes. Any info?


It's not.

Marijuana And Lungs: Study Finds Drug Doesn't Do Same Kind Of Damage As Tobacco

Though that's partially because almost no one smokes 20 joints a day.
 
2014-02-05 01:19:20 AM  
But they DO have a higher possibility of cooked babby; so there is that....

/ *ducks*

// in my defense; I was required to go hear the latest anti-drug stuff during high school.
 
2014-02-05 01:21:35 AM  
Long term use tends to kill the swimmers (at least make 'em lazy) so less likely to get pregnant means a lot happier men not dealing with that crap.

Nah, just kidding, unplanned pregnancies are a blessing.

;o)
 
2014-02-05 01:21:37 AM  

fusillade762: It's not.

Marijuana And Lungs: Study Finds Drug Doesn't Do Same Kind Of Damage As Tobacco

Though that's partially because almost no one smokes 20 joints a day.


http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/large-study-finds-no-link/
 
2014-02-05 01:27:28 AM  
so, how long have the state that have it legal have had it legal ?
 
2014-02-05 01:27:32 AM  

WhoGAS: Long term use tends to kill the swimmers (at least make 'em lazy) so less likely to get pregnant means a lot happier men not dealing with that crap.

Nah, just kidding, unplanned pregnancies are a blessing.

;o)


I think that's something of a misnomer. My pothead neighbor seems to knock up his girlfriend pretty often. She's only carried a couple to term on account of the meth and heroin.

/ I wish I was kidding; he also seems to hang out with dangerously underaged girls. You know, the kind that will get you 15 years in Leavenworth.
 
2014-02-05 01:27:33 AM  
Weed saved my life, in a manner of speaking. After Zoloft, Prozac, Lamictal, Depecote and Lithium all failed horribly to curb the thoughts of eating buckshot (and often times just put the thoughts into overdrive) I found that smoking a joint once or twice a week eradicated my depression. It quite literally was a miracle drug for me. I get high a few times a month and boom, no depression.

/Your mileage may vary.
//Don't just quit your meds one day and start smoking weed.
///I had a therapist who knew I was trying it on speed-dial every step of the way.
 
2014-02-05 01:33:10 AM  
if you have a way of dealing with your pain, you are less likely to kill yourself.
 
2014-02-05 01:34:35 AM  

SilverStag: I read the headline as SPLIFFY tag steps in.....


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2014-02-05 01:36:14 AM  
While smoking your pot, do us all a favor and stop sharing your Facebook Lookback, nobody cared about your photos the first time you posted them.
 
2014-02-05 01:36:39 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: I've always hated medical marijuana as a tactic to create loopholes for junkies.

I'm on the Washington and Colorado bandwagon of outright legalization. If someone wants their fix, let them have it. Don't turn doctors into liars.

That said, if marijuana has positive medical benefits, then some aspiring scientist at Big Pharma ought to be able to isolate the effective compounds and develop a delivery system of them that doesn't intoxicate the patient and doesn't require them to smoke it.


You should apply your stupid as opinions to intravenous drugs. We should eat all drugs, not inject them directly into our bloodstream (or infest them through our lungs)
 
2014-02-05 01:37:14 AM  

SilentStrider: AverageAmericanGuy: That said, if marijuana has positive medical benefits, then some aspiring scientist at Big Pharma ought to be able to isolate the effective compounds and develop a delivery system of them that doesn't intoxicate the patient and doesn't require them to smoke it.

while this is certainly possible, it would be a lot easier and more cost effective quite frankly to smoke it.


but,but you might forget what a shiathole the world is and enjoy yourself for a little while and we can't have that.
 
2014-02-05 01:38:41 AM  
Infest, ingest, fark you auto complete
 
2014-02-05 01:40:43 AM  

Hobodeluxe: SilentStrider: AverageAmericanGuy: That said, if marijuana has positive medical benefits, then some aspiring scientist at Big Pharma ought to be able to isolate the effective compounds and develop a delivery system of them that doesn't intoxicate the patient and doesn't require them to smoke it.

while this is certainly possible, it would be a lot easier and more cost effective quite frankly to smoke it.

but,but you might forget what a shiathole the world is and enjoy yourself for a little while and we can't have that.


Sounds sinful. We should deliberately inflect pain for salvation. Not that mother Teresa would ever do that
 
2014-02-05 01:41:21 AM  
States with legal marijuana also have the coolest music fans.

media.heavy.com
 
2014-02-05 01:42:38 AM  

iheartscotch: WhoGAS: Long term use tends to kill the swimmers (at least make 'em lazy) so less likely to get pregnant means a lot happier men not dealing with that crap.

Nah, just kidding, unplanned pregnancies are a blessing.

;o)

I think that's something of a misnomer. My pothead neighbor seems to knock up his girlfriend pretty often. She's only carried a couple to term on account of the meth and heroin.

/ I wish I was kidding; he also seems to hang out with dangerously underaged girls. You know, the kind that will get you 15 years in Leavenworth.


Wait, you mean there's a chance I could have gotten my cousin knocked up?   Damn!  Mom didn't get pregnant so I figured for sure it was the weed.

Heh.  Seriously, though, yeah, I know a lot of people who got pregnant, too.

That's one of the things that needs further study.  Many doctors say it affects sperm count and creates abnormalities in the sperm; another says although it has shown diminished sperm count, they're not sure of the affect; others say straight up "You's ain't havin'g babbies!"  (not verbatim, of course)

/Yeah, I know a lot of potheads who are more meth heads than anything else.  Sucks when kids are involved and I know drugs attract the young 'uns.  :o/
 
2014-02-05 01:47:40 AM  
Correlation ≠ causation. I know for a fact liberal states tend to have slightly lower suicide rates than conservative states, it might be that liberal states are more likely to legalize pot. Or it might be that there's another causal factor behind all three.
 
2014-02-05 01:50:52 AM  

WhoGAS: iheartscotch: WhoGAS: Long term use tends to kill the swimmers (at least make 'em lazy) so less likely to get pregnant means a lot happier men not dealing with that crap.

Nah, just kidding, unplanned pregnancies are a blessing.

;o)

I think that's something of a misnomer. My pothead neighbor seems to knock up his girlfriend pretty often. She's only carried a couple to term on account of the meth and heroin.

/ I wish I was kidding; he also seems to hang out with dangerously underaged girls. You know, the kind that will get you 15 years in Leavenworth.

Wait, you mean there's a chance I could have gotten my cousin knocked up?   Damn!  Mom didn't get pregnant so I figured for sure it was the weed.

Heh.  Seriously, though, yeah, I know a lot of people who got pregnant, too.

That's one of the things that needs further study.  Many doctors say it affects sperm count and creates abnormalities in the sperm; another says although it has shown diminished sperm count, they're not sure of the affect; others say straight up "You's ain't havin'g babbies!"  (not verbatim, of course)

/Yeah, I know a lot of potheads who are more meth heads than anything else.  Sucks when kids are involved and I know drugs attract the young 'uns.  :o/


Yep, it doesn't really matter; if you have sex with a girl, she can get preggy up to 3 days later; if I remember right.

Most of the studies done with pot were done outside the US and Europe; because of that pesky legality thingy. So, I don't know how reliable they are.

/ It is pretty sad when the youngins get into the hard core drug scene; because, that's how you get 16 year old prostitutes.

// I think my neighbors might have moved; their crappy taurus hasn't moved in 6 months and I haven't heard any disturbances at 3am in a while.
 
2014-02-05 01:51:26 AM  

impaler: Infest, ingest, fark you auto complete


I think you meant to type inhale. Ingest involves digesting first, which means you have to swallow it, run it through the stomach and into the intestines to get it into the blood steam. Inhaling only requires it to pass through your lungs and not agitate them badly to enter the blood steam.

\could be worse
\\could be purified and then put in suspension in saline
\\\then injected in!
 
2014-02-05 01:54:14 AM  

Gunther: Correlation ≠ causation. I know for a fact liberal states tend to have slightly lower suicide rates than conservative states, it might be that liberal states are more likely to legalize pot. Or it might be that there's another causal factor behind all three.


Like not living around as many neurotic and uptight people that are obsessed with judging others to cover up their personal flaws, perceived or otherwise?

I hear being around stressed people will make you stressed.
 
2014-02-05 01:58:33 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: I've always hated medical marijuana as a tactic to create loopholes for junkies.

I'm on the Washington and Colorado bandwagon of outright legalization. If someone wants their fix, let them have it. Don't turn doctors into liars.

That said, if marijuana has positive medical benefits, then some aspiring scientist at Big Pharma ought to be able to isolate the effective compounds and develop a delivery system of them that doesn't intoxicate the patient and doesn't require them to smoke it.


7/10
If you had stopped after the first sentence, you could've earned a rare 10/10
 
2014-02-05 01:59:09 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: I've always hated medical marijuana as a tactic to create loopholes for junkies.

I'm on the Washington and Colorado bandwagon of outright legalization. If someone wants their fix, let them have it. Don't turn doctors into liars.

That said, if marijuana has positive medical benefits, then some aspiring scientist at Big Pharma ought to be able to isolate the effective compounds and develop a delivery system of them that doesn't intoxicate the patient and doesn't require them to smoke it.


I certainly hope that you don't drink alcohol, otherwise you're just another "junkie" looking for their "fix".

/Seriously, who the fark thinks that marijuana is more dangerous than LEGAL ALCOHOL, these days?  That's reefer madness jibber-jabber.
 
2014-02-05 02:00:44 AM  

JadedFloridian: AverageAmericanGuy: I've always hated medical marijuana as a tactic to create loopholes for junkies.

I'm on the Washington and Colorado bandwagon of outright legalization. If someone wants their fix, let them have it. Don't turn doctors into liars.

That said, if marijuana has positive medical benefits, then some aspiring scientist at Big Pharma ought to be able to isolate the effective compounds and develop a delivery system of them that doesn't intoxicate the patient and doesn't require them to smoke it.

I certainly hope that you don't drink alcohol, otherwise you're just another "junkie" looking for their "fix".

/Seriously, who the fark thinks that marijuana is more dangerous than LEGAL ALCOHOL, these days?  That's reefer madness jibber-jabber.


I don't think it was necessarily a good thing to have doctor-prescribed alcohol during the Prohibition either.
 
2014-02-05 02:05:22 AM  

Gunther: Correlation ≠ causation. I know for a fact liberal states tend to have slightly lower suicide rates than conservative states, it might be that liberal states are more likely to legalize pot. Or it might be that there's another causal factor behind all three.


Like living in a state where you aren't surrounded by authoritarian assholes makes one less likely to of themselves.
 
2014-02-05 02:09:01 AM  

gozar_the_destroyer: Gunther: Correlation ≠ causation. I know for a fact liberal states tend to have slightly lower suicide rates than conservative states, it might be that liberal states are more likely to legalize pot. Or it might be that there's another causal factor behind all three.

Like not living around as many neurotic and uptight people that are obsessed with judging others to cover up their personal flaws, perceived or otherwise?

I hear being around stressed people will make you stressed.


You know what I'm talking about
 
2014-02-05 02:13:09 AM  

anallyproper: so, how long have the state that have it legal have had it legal ?


MMJ has been on the books in CA since 1996. It was the first state to do so.

California decriminalized it just a few years ago. Arnie signed it into law in 2010. Essentially, if you're caught with less than an ounce, you're issued a summons to appear, much like a parking ticket. I'd been caught with it a couple times back in the seventies, and had the officer dump it out on me. Now it's so mainstream you really gotta be screwing up to even get a summons.

I hear that here in Humboldt you don't even have to pay for it. Eventually you find out some of those folks you've known for years are growing it and are more than willing to hook up a fellow stoner with some killer nugs. I think I heard something like that anyway...
 
2014-02-05 02:15:07 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: I've always hated medical marijuana as a tactic to create loopholes for junkies.

I'm on the Washington and Colorado bandwagon of outright legalization. If someone wants their fix, let them have it. Don't turn doctors into liars.

That said, if marijuana has positive medical benefits, then some aspiring scientist at Big Pharma ought to be able to isolate the effective compounds and develop a delivery system of them that doesn't intoxicate the patient and doesn't require them to smoke it.


You don't need bid pharma.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlotte's_Web_(cannabis)
 
2014-02-05 02:23:37 AM  

iheartscotch: But they DO have a higher possibility of cooked babby; so there is that....


2012bloghoax.s3.amazonaws.com
 
2014-02-05 02:27:05 AM  

gozar_the_destroyer: impaler: Infest, ingest, fark you auto complete

I think you meant to type inhale. Ingest involves digesting first, which means you have to swallow it, run it through the stomach and into the intestines to get it into the blood steam. Inhaling only requires it to pass through your lungs and not agitate them badly to enter the blood steam.

\could be worse
\\could be purified and then put in suspension in saline
\\\then injected in!


I was totally sitei could come in and say "Oh no, ingest just means to take it internally." But after some Googling, you are correct sir.

I put myself on a pedal stool. Everybody has a blind spot.
 
2014-02-05 02:28:08 AM  

morg: AverageAmericanGuy: I've always hated medical marijuana as a tactic to create loopholes for junkies.

I'm on the Washington and Colorado bandwagon of outright legalization. If someone wants their fix, let them have it. Don't turn doctors into liars.

That said, if marijuana has positive medical benefits, then some aspiring scientist at Big Pharma ought to be able to isolate the effective compounds and develop a delivery system of them that doesn't intoxicate the patient and doesn't require them to smoke it.

You don't need bid pharma.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlotte's_Web_(cannabis)


You need to have solid research proving the efficacy of the drug, and that is going to take the backing of a monied party. I remember seeing this girl on the news last year and was glad she was getting the treatment she needed. However, while she may be positively responding to the treatment, that is not proof of the treatment's efficacy (just as lower suicide rates in MMJ states is not proof of the anti-suicide effects of MJ). More study is needed.

That said, if there were an outright legalization of the drug, then the CBD oil could be sold in stores as a nutritional supplement (and obviously all the risk of hucksterism that goes along with that). And if it were legal, it would be possible to regulate the production of the CBD oil to defined standards of concentration and purity. MMJ does not allow for either of those two outcomes, nor do the primary proponents of MMJ (stoners) want marijuana that is low in THC since THC is the foremost reason they want to take the drug.
 
2014-02-05 02:43:13 AM  

fusillade762: iheartscotch: But they DO have a higher possibility of cooked babby; so there is that....


God that needs an Oxford Comma.

/ I do enjoy thinking about all of the hours I wasted listening to inept presenters talk about something they knew nothing about. (Sarcasm)
 
2014-02-05 02:48:27 AM  
I wonder what the point of legality has to do with it.  Pot use in Alaska is off the charts, only quasi-legally though, yet the suicide rate is one of the highest (the highest?) in the nation, especially for young men.
 
2014-02-05 02:48:36 AM  

impaler: Gunther: Correlation ≠ causation. I know for a fact liberal states tend to have slightly lower suicide rates than conservative states, it might be that liberal states are more likely to legalize pot. Or it might be that there's another causal factor behind all three.

Like living in a state where you aren't surrounded by authoritarian assholes makes one less likely to of themselves.


"Correlation != causation, but now let's make statements that imply causation!  Yea!"
You know liberal states have more incidents of school shootings?  Since 1996 CO is in the lead with most incidents and highest body count*, CA and FL complete the top 3.

*VA (VA Tech) and CT (Sandy Hook) have the highest single incident body count.

In short, correlation still does not equal causation, marijuana shouldn't be "for medical use only" but legalized and treated like alcohol, and finally, FTA:
"Females could respond to marijuana differently than males. Females could respond to alcohol differently than males. It's even possible that they respond to legalization differently than males."
What the hell does that even mean?!
 
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