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(WESH Orlando)   College decides to re-think its guns-on-campus policy after shooting in parking lot. The change? Now they're gonna let more students have guns in their cars   (wesh.com) divider line 111
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2014-02-05 08:29:29 AM
The school did not previously allow guns in cars, despite an appeals court ruling in December that recognized the students' right to have them.

So Brevard Community College is just getting around to obeying the court order, anyway?
 
2014-02-05 09:11:43 AM

Enlightened Liberal: Wow. How spineless do you have to be to pull out a gun during a fist fight? That guy needs to turn in his man card immediately.

There's no excuse to escalate a fist fight into a shoot out. You're supposed to duke it out mano y mano. If you can't handle it, then don't get into fights.

Most people here would be frothing at the lips if a cop shot an unarmed person because they were besting them in a fist fight.


Fark handle checks out.  Carry on.
 
2014-02-05 09:13:16 AM

ex-nuke: fluffy2097: So now when you bring a gun to the school parking lot, you can lock it in a case (like it should be already) Lock the case in your trunk, and tell the security guard to keep an eye on your car because it has a weapon in it.

Then when your security guard sees someone breaking into your car, they can stop a shooting.

Also, when the security guard sees YOU stalking over to your car, hellbent on shooting someone, they can stop you too.

/seems reasonable to me.

How do you carry a locked case under an oversized tee shirt? If this guy's gun had been in a locked case he would probably be dead and the one who got shot would have the gun.


Meh. Six of one, half dozen of the other.
 
2014-02-05 09:19:21 AM

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I'll take Pink Stockings and the redhead, please.
 
2014-02-05 09:22:58 AM

FriarReb98: MythDragon: I have nothing meaningful to contribute to this conversation, so I offer schoolgirls with guns
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I'll take Pink Stockings and the redhead, please.


Am I mistaken in thinking said redhead is the lady from "That 70s Show"?
 
2014-02-05 09:30:20 AM

Jim_Callahan: Basically, you seem to have the story exactly backwards there.


Like anti-abortionists and creationists, there is no depth to the blatant lies gun-grabbers will go to in order to advance their agenda.   They care nothing of the truth or the rights of others, only their own ideology.l
 
2014-02-05 09:36:59 AM
Hey Mods?  Where's the TROLL tag?
 
2014-02-05 09:43:20 AM

way south: /A ten inch barrel on a rifle is kind of stupid when you can have a three inch barrel on the same rifle if you call it a "pistol" on the receipt.


Um, no.

What makes it a SBR is the addition of a shoulder stock.   If you duct-tape a stick to the handle of a pistol, you're guilty of manufacturing a SBR.   Simply putting a foregrip handle on an under-barrel picatinny rail makes it an AOW, also an NFA item.

I agree that the SBR and AOW designations are kind of stupid.  And probably unconstitutional under both US v. Miller and DC v. Heller.   The M4 is a SBR and is the current standard issue service rifle, which means it passes both the Miller criteria for being appropriate for militia service, and the Heller criteria for being in common use.
 
2014-02-05 10:17:43 AM
Subby is an ignorant tool. Policy change is fantastic, though it doesn't go nearly far enough.
 
2014-02-05 10:20:14 AM

violentsalvation: syrynxx: "I saw the guy getting beat down. The gun practically saved his life," said student Rio Gonzalez.

fark you subby.  You'd rather see a person killed than defend themselves?  fark you in triplicate.

And nobody died, but we get to see the attacker tallied as a victim of gun violence and the event remembered as a school shooting. For the charts, the graphs, the numbers. The anti-gun narrative at work.


As was discussed in a redlit posting last week, the shooting was not self-defense, as the shooter actually went to his vehicle to retrieve his firearm, thus making the shooting an act of revenge. As everyone knows, attackers never follow a victim, so the attack must have ended when the firearm was retrieved.
 
2014-02-05 10:56:27 AM

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This...
 
2014-02-05 11:16:54 AM

FriarReb98: I'll take Pink Stockings and the redhead, please.


The two with bad trigger discipline?  Men have died for less, I suppose.
 
2014-02-05 11:21:58 AM

Farkage: Enlightened Liberal: Wow. How spineless do you have to be to pull out a gun during a fist fight? That guy needs to turn in his man card immediately.

There's no excuse to escalate a fist fight into a shoot out. You're supposed to duke it out mano y mano. If you can't handle it, then don't get into fights.

Most people here would be frothing at the lips if a cop shot an unarmed person because they were besting them in a fist fight.

You're absolutely right!  Everybody should just take it like a man when they're getting kicked and stomped on by multiple attackers since beatings are NEVER EVER LIFE THREATENING!  Right??!?
And you call being attacked "getting into a fight"?  Are you an idiot?  So if someone breaks into a persons place and they get shot, would you tell the homeowner that maybe they just shouldn't be robbed?  Is this your logic??



There is more to this story. Let's unfold the plot a little here:
The trigger was pulled by 24-year-old Landrick Hamilton, a student at EFSC, who was allegedly minding his own business and sitting in his car when another car pulled up next to him. In the other car were two men: Amado Contreras, 25, and his younger brother 24-year old Landyer Contreras.
A verbal spat started between the men, soon escalating to physical violence. Hamilton claims that the two young men physically attacked him. Amado Contreras and his brother are alleged to have assaulted Landrick Hamilton with a pool cue, at which point Hamilton reached into his vehicle and recovered a gun.


So what are the over/unders on significant other v. drugs v. money?

Somebody brought his problems - and pistol - to campus. And you know it won't end up where it stands now.

/Prosecute 'em all.
 
2014-02-05 12:29:03 PM

demaL-demaL-yeH: Farkage: Enlightened Liberal: Wow. How spineless do you have to be to pull out a gun during a fist fight? That guy needs to turn in his man card immediately.

There's no excuse to escalate a fist fight into a shoot out. You're supposed to duke it out mano y mano. If you can't handle it, then don't get into fights.

Most people here would be frothing at the lips if a cop shot an unarmed person because they were besting them in a fist fight.

You're absolutely right!  Everybody should just take it like a man when they're getting kicked and stomped on by multiple attackers since beatings are NEVER EVER LIFE THREATENING!  Right??!?
And you call being attacked "getting into a fight"?  Are you an idiot?  So if someone breaks into a persons place and they get shot, would you tell the homeowner that maybe they just shouldn't be robbed?  Is this your logic??


There is more to this story. Let's unfold the plot a little here:
The trigger was pulled by 24-year-old Landrick Hamilton, a student at EFSC, who was allegedly minding his own business and sitting in his car when another car pulled up next to him. In the other car were two men: Amado Contreras, 25, and his younger brother 24-year old Landyer Contreras.
A verbal spat started between the men, soon escalating to physical violence. Hamilton claims that the two young men physically attacked him. Amado Contreras and his brother are alleged to have assaulted Landrick Hamilton with a pool cue, at which point Hamilton reached into his vehicle and recovered a gun.

So what are the over/unders on significant other v. drugs v. money?

Somebody brought his problems - and pistol - to campus. And you know it won't end up where it stands now.

/Prosecute 'em all.


Where is your evidence to prosecute?
 
2014-02-05 12:35:01 PM

Doom MD: demaL-demaL-yeH: Farkage: Enlightened Liberal: Wow. How spineless do you have to be to pull out a gun during a fist fight? That guy needs to turn in his man card immediately.

There's no excuse to escalate a fist fight into a shoot out. You're supposed to duke it out mano y mano. If you can't handle it, then don't get into fights.

Most people here would be frothing at the lips if a cop shot an unarmed person because they were besting them in a fist fight.

You're absolutely right!  Everybody should just take it like a man when they're getting kicked and stomped on by multiple attackers since beatings are NEVER EVER LIFE THREATENING!  Right??!?
And you call being attacked "getting into a fight"?  Are you an idiot?  So if someone breaks into a persons place and they get shot, would you tell the homeowner that maybe they just shouldn't be robbed?  Is this your logic??


There is more to this story. Let's unfold the plot a little here:
The trigger was pulled by 24-year-old Landrick Hamilton, a student at EFSC, who was allegedly minding his own business and sitting in his car when another car pulled up next to him. In the other car were two men: Amado Contreras, 25, and his younger brother 24-year old Landyer Contreras.
A verbal spat started between the men, soon escalating to physical violence. Hamilton claims that the two young men physically attacked him. Amado Contreras and his brother are alleged to have assaulted Landrick Hamilton with a pool cue, at which point Hamilton reached into his vehicle and recovered a gun.

So what are the over/unders on significant other v. drugs v. money?

Somebody brought his problems - and pistol - to campus. And you know it won't end up where it stands now.

/Prosecute 'em all.

Where is your evidence to prosecute?


He has speculated that a narcotics transfer was arranged. Is not his conjecture sufficient to warrant criminal charges?
 
2014-02-05 12:35:58 PM

violentsalvation: And nobody died, but we get to see the attacker tallied as a victim of gun violence and the event remembered as a school shooting. For the charts, the graphs, the numbers. The anti-gun narrative at work.


Bass ackwards isn't it?
 
2014-02-05 12:46:24 PM

Doom MD: demaL-demaL-yeH: Farkage: Enlightened Liberal: Wow. How spineless do you have to be to pull out a gun during a fist fight? That guy needs to turn in his man card immediately.

There's no excuse to escalate a fist fight into a shoot out. You're supposed to duke it out mano y mano. If you can't handle it, then don't get into fights.

Most people here would be frothing at the lips if a cop shot an unarmed person because they were besting them in a fist fight.

You're absolutely right!  Everybody should just take it like a man when they're getting kicked and stomped on by multiple attackers since beatings are NEVER EVER LIFE THREATENING!  Right??!?
And you call being attacked "getting into a fight"?  Are you an idiot?  So if someone breaks into a persons place and they get shot, would you tell the homeowner that maybe they just shouldn't be robbed?  Is this your logic??


There is more to this story. Let's unfold the plot a little here:
The trigger was pulled by 24-year-old Landrick Hamilton, a student at EFSC, who was allegedly minding his own business and sitting in his car when another car pulled up next to him. In the other car were two men: Amado Contreras, 25, and his younger brother 24-year old Landyer Contreras.
A verbal spat started between the men, soon escalating to physical violence. Hamilton claims that the two young men physically attacked him. Amado Contreras and his brother are alleged to have assaulted Landrick Hamilton with a pool cue, at which point Hamilton reached into his vehicle and recovered a gun.

So what are the over/unders on significant other v. drugs v. money?

Somebody brought his problems - and pistol - to campus. And you know it won't end up where it stands now.

/Prosecute 'em all.

Where is your evidence to prosecute?


The brothers for aggravated battery - pool cue and gunman's face.
The gunman for firearm on campus.
 
2014-02-05 12:50:17 PM

demaL-demaL-yeH: Doom MD: demaL-demaL-yeH: Farkage: Enlightened Liberal: Wow. How spineless do you have to be to pull out a gun during a fist fight? That guy needs to turn in his man card immediately.

There's no excuse to escalate a fist fight into a shoot out. You're supposed to duke it out mano y mano. If you can't handle it, then don't get into fights.

Most people here would be frothing at the lips if a cop shot an unarmed person because they were besting them in a fist fight.

You're absolutely right!  Everybody should just take it like a man when they're getting kicked and stomped on by multiple attackers since beatings are NEVER EVER LIFE THREATENING!  Right??!?
And you call being attacked "getting into a fight"?  Are you an idiot?  So if someone breaks into a persons place and they get shot, would you tell the homeowner that maybe they just shouldn't be robbed?  Is this your logic??


There is more to this story. Let's unfold the plot a little here:
The trigger was pulled by 24-year-old Landrick Hamilton, a student at EFSC, who was allegedly minding his own business and sitting in his car when another car pulled up next to him. In the other car were two men: Amado Contreras, 25, and his younger brother 24-year old Landyer Contreras.
A verbal spat started between the men, soon escalating to physical violence. Hamilton claims that the two young men physically attacked him. Amado Contreras and his brother are alleged to have assaulted Landrick Hamilton with a pool cue, at which point Hamilton reached into his vehicle and recovered a gun.

So what are the over/unders on significant other v. drugs v. money?

Somebody brought his problems - and pistol - to campus. And you know it won't end up where it stands now.

/Prosecute 'em all.

Where is your evidence to prosecute?

The brothers for aggravated battery - pool cue and gunman's face.
The gunman for firearm on campus.


A court ruled he's allowed to have a firearm in his car.
 
2014-02-05 12:50:17 PM

Dimensio: Doom MD: demaL-demaL-yeH: Farkage: Enlightened Liberal: Wow. How spineless do you have to be to pull out a gun during a fist fight? That guy needs to turn in his man card immediately.

There's no excuse to escalate a fist fight into a shoot out. You're supposed to duke it out mano y mano. If you can't handle it, then don't get into fights.

Most people here would be frothing at the lips if a cop shot an unarmed person because they were besting them in a fist fight.

You're absolutely right!  Everybody should just take it like a man when they're getting kicked and stomped on by multiple attackers since beatings are NEVER EVER LIFE THREATENING!  Right??!?
And you call being attacked "getting into a fight"?  Are you an idiot?  So if someone breaks into a persons place and they get shot, would you tell the homeowner that maybe they just shouldn't be robbed?  Is this your logic??


There is more to this story. Let's unfold the plot a little here:
The trigger was pulled by 24-year-old Landrick Hamilton, a student at EFSC, who was allegedly minding his own business and sitting in his car when another car pulled up next to him. In the other car were two men: Amado Contreras, 25, and his younger brother 24-year old Landyer Contreras.
A verbal spat started between the men, soon escalating to physical violence. Hamilton claims that the two young men physically attacked him. Amado Contreras and his brother are alleged to have assaulted Landrick Hamilton with a pool cue, at which point Hamilton reached into his vehicle and recovered a gun.

So what are the over/unders on significant other v. drugs v. money?

Somebody brought his problems - and pistol - to campus. And you know it won't end up where it stands now.

/Prosecute 'em all.

Where is your evidence to prosecute?

He has speculated that a narcotics transfer was arranged. Is not his conjecture sufficient to warrant criminal charges?


That's just demented.
I said the dispute originated off-campus. I did not say that the fight was a drug deal gone awry.
Even Floriduh Kampus Kops would have checked the cars "for other weapons".
 
2014-02-05 12:55:18 PM

demaL-demaL-yeH: Farkage: Enlightened Liberal: Wow. How spineless do you have to be to pull out a gun during a fist fight? That guy needs to turn in his man card immediately.

There's no excuse to escalate a fist fight into a shoot out. You're supposed to duke it out mano y mano. If you can't handle it, then don't get into fights.

Most people here would be frothing at the lips if a cop shot an unarmed person because they were besting them in a fist fight.

You're absolutely right!  Everybody should just take it like a man when they're getting kicked and stomped on by multiple attackers since beatings are NEVER EVER LIFE THREATENING!  Right??!?
And you call being attacked "getting into a fight"?  Are you an idiot?  So if someone breaks into a persons place and they get shot, would you tell the homeowner that maybe they just shouldn't be robbed?  Is this your logic??


There is more to this story. Let's unfold the plot a little here:
The trigger was pulled by 24-year-old Landrick Hamilton, a student at EFSC, who was allegedly minding his own business and sitting in his car when another car pulled up next to him. In the other car were two men: Amado Contreras, 25, and his younger brother 24-year old Landyer Contreras.
A verbal spat started between the men, soon escalating to physical violence. Hamilton claims that the two young men physically attacked him. Amado Contreras and his brother are alleged to have assaulted Landrick Hamilton with a pool cue, at which point Hamilton reached into his vehicle and recovered a gun.

So what are the over/unders on significant other v. drugs v. money?

Somebody brought his problems - and pistol - to campus. And you know it won't end up where it stands now.

/Prosecute 'em all.


So can I make up a story in the shooters defense that is supported by the actual witnesses that saw him getting the shiat beaten out of him, or are you the only one that is allowed to make stuff up because guns? If there was more evidence to support your theory, I would happily change my stance, but there isn't despite what you're pretending.
 
2014-02-05 12:55:34 PM

Doom MD: demaL-demaL-yeH: Doom MD: demaL-demaL-yeH: Farkage: Enlightened Liberal: Wow. How spineless do you have to be to pull out a gun during a fist fight? That guy needs to turn in his man card immediately.

There's no excuse to escalate a fist fight into a shoot out. You're supposed to duke it out mano y mano. If you can't handle it, then don't get into fights.

Most people here would be frothing at the lips if a cop shot an unarmed person because they were besting them in a fist fight.

You're absolutely right!  Everybody should just take it like a man when they're getting kicked and stomped on by multiple attackers since beatings are NEVER EVER LIFE THREATENING!  Right??!?
And you call being attacked "getting into a fight"?  Are you an idiot?  So if someone breaks into a persons place and they get shot, would you tell the homeowner that maybe they just shouldn't be robbed?  Is this your logic??


There is more to this story. Let's unfold the plot a little here:
The trigger was pulled by 24-year-old Landrick Hamilton, a student at EFSC, who was allegedly minding his own business and sitting in his car when another car pulled up next to him. In the other car were two men: Amado Contreras, 25, and his younger brother 24-year old Landyer Contreras.
A verbal spat started between the men, soon escalating to physical violence. Hamilton claims that the two young men physically attacked him. Amado Contreras and his brother are alleged to have assaulted Landrick Hamilton with a pool cue, at which point Hamilton reached into his vehicle and recovered a gun.

So what are the over/unders on significant other v. drugs v. money?

Somebody brought his problems - and pistol - to campus. And you know it won't end up where it stands now.

/Prosecute 'em all.

Where is your evidence to prosecute?

The brothers for aggravated battery - pool cue and gunman's face.
The gunman for firearm on campus.

A court ruled he's allowed to have a firearm in his car.


State courts do not have the ability to nullify 18 USC 922(q). Every challenge to it has failed.
 
2014-02-05 12:57:15 PM

Farkage: demaL-demaL-yeH: Farkage: Enlightened Liberal: Wow. How spineless do you have to be to pull out a gun during a fist fight? That guy needs to turn in his man card immediately.

There's no excuse to escalate a fist fight into a shoot out. You're supposed to duke it out mano y mano. If you can't handle it, then don't get into fights.

Most people here would be frothing at the lips if a cop shot an unarmed person because they were besting them in a fist fight.

You're absolutely right!  Everybody should just take it like a man when they're getting kicked and stomped on by multiple attackers since beatings are NEVER EVER LIFE THREATENING!  Right??!?
And you call being attacked "getting into a fight"?  Are you an idiot?  So if someone breaks into a persons place and they get shot, would you tell the homeowner that maybe they just shouldn't be robbed?  Is this your logic??


There is more to this story. Let's unfold the plot a little here:
The trigger was pulled by 24-year-old Landrick Hamilton, a student at EFSC, who was allegedly minding his own business and sitting in his car when another car pulled up next to him. In the other car were two men: Amado Contreras, 25, and his younger brother 24-year old Landyer Contreras.
A verbal spat started between the men, soon escalating to physical violence. Hamilton claims that the two young men physically attacked him. Amado Contreras and his brother are alleged to have assaulted Landrick Hamilton with a pool cue, at which point Hamilton reached into his vehicle and recovered a gun.

So what are the over/unders on significant other v. drugs v. money?

Somebody brought his problems - and pistol - to campus. And you know it won't end up where it stands now.

/Prosecute 'em all.

So can I make up a story in the shooters defense that is supported by the actual witnesses that saw him getting the shiat beaten out of him, or are you the only one that is allowed to make stuff up because guns? If there was more evidence to support your the ...


Want to know how I know you didn't follow the farking link?
 
2014-02-05 12:59:22 PM

demaL-demaL-yeH: Dimensio: Doom MD: demaL-demaL-yeH: Farkage: Enlightened Liberal: Wow. How spineless do you have to be to pull out a gun during a fist fight? That guy needs to turn in his man card immediately.

There's no excuse to escalate a fist fight into a shoot out. You're supposed to duke it out mano y mano. If you can't handle it, then don't get into fights.

Most people here would be frothing at the lips if a cop shot an unarmed person because they were besting them in a fist fight.

You're absolutely right!  Everybody should just take it like a man when they're getting kicked and stomped on by multiple attackers since beatings are NEVER EVER LIFE THREATENING!  Right??!?
And you call being attacked "getting into a fight"?  Are you an idiot?  So if someone breaks into a persons place and they get shot, would you tell the homeowner that maybe they just shouldn't be robbed?  Is this your logic??


There is more to this story. Let's unfold the plot a little here:
The trigger was pulled by 24-year-old Landrick Hamilton, a student at EFSC, who was allegedly minding his own business and sitting in his car when another car pulled up next to him. In the other car were two men: Amado Contreras, 25, and his younger brother 24-year old Landyer Contreras.
A verbal spat started between the men, soon escalating to physical violence. Hamilton claims that the two young men physically attacked him. Amado Contreras and his brother are alleged to have assaulted Landrick Hamilton with a pool cue, at which point Hamilton reached into his vehicle and recovered a gun.

So what are the over/unders on significant other v. drugs v. money?

Somebody brought his problems - and pistol - to campus. And you know it won't end up where it stands now.

/Prosecute 'em all.

Where is your evidence to prosecute?

He has speculated that a narcotics transfer was arranged. Is not his conjecture sufficient to warrant criminal charges?

That's just demented.
I said the dispute originated off-campus. I did not say that the fight was a drug deal gone awry.
Even Floriduh Kampus Kops would have checked the cars "for other weapons".


What difference does it make where it originated? Does it change the fact that (from what was in the report) the guy got attacked? Does it make it acceptable to beat the shiat out of someone because of a 'significant other' issue, so the victim no longer has a right to defend themselves? Are you only allowed to defend yourself at the scene where the situation originated, but not somewhere else if you are followed? What are the ground rules for not being beaten into a puddle before you do something about it?
 
2014-02-05 01:02:01 PM

demaL-demaL-yeH: Farkage: demaL-demaL-yeH: Farkage: Enlightened Liberal: Wow. How spineless do you have to be to pull out a gun during a fist fight? That guy needs to turn in his man card immediately.

There's no excuse to escalate a fist fight into a shoot out. You're supposed to duke it out mano y mano. If you can't handle it, then don't get into fights.

Most people here would be frothing at the lips if a cop shot an unarmed person because they were besting them in a fist fight.

You're absolutely right!  Everybody should just take it like a man when they're getting kicked and stomped on by multiple attackers since beatings are NEVER EVER LIFE THREATENING!  Right??!?
And you call being attacked "getting into a fight"?  Are you an idiot?  So if someone breaks into a persons place and they get shot, would you tell the homeowner that maybe they just shouldn't be robbed?  Is this your logic??


There is more to this story. Let's unfold the plot a little here:
The trigger was pulled by 24-year-old Landrick Hamilton, a student at EFSC, who was allegedly minding his own business and sitting in his car when another car pulled up next to him. In the other car were two men: Amado Contreras, 25, and his younger brother 24-year old Landyer Contreras.
A verbal spat started between the men, soon escalating to physical violence. Hamilton claims that the two young men physically attacked him. Amado Contreras and his brother are alleged to have assaulted Landrick Hamilton with a pool cue, at which point Hamilton reached into his vehicle and recovered a gun.

So what are the over/unders on significant other v. drugs v. money?

Somebody brought his problems - and pistol - to campus. And you know it won't end up where it stands now.

/Prosecute 'em all.

So can I make up a story in the shooters defense that is supported by the actual witnesses that saw him getting the shiat beaten out of him, or are you the only one that is allowed to make stuff up because guns? If there was more evidence to support your the ...

Want to know how I know you didn't follow the farking link?


Oh, I did. And it said nothing other than he was sitting in his car when the others rolled up and there was a confrontation. All the 3 articles I read are sparce on details, but none have implicated the shooter or said it wasn't self defence. You however, made up a backstory.
 
2014-02-05 01:08:37 PM

Farkage: demaL-demaL-yeH: Dimensio: Doom MD: demaL-demaL-yeH: Farkage: Enlightened Liberal: Wow. How spineless do you have to be to pull out a gun during a fist fight? That guy needs to turn in his man card immediately.

There's no excuse to escalate a fist fight into a shoot out. You're supposed to duke it out mano y mano. If you can't handle it, then don't get into fights.

Most people here would be frothing at the lips if a cop shot an unarmed person because they were besting them in a fist fight.

You're absolutely right!  Everybody should just take it like a man when they're getting kicked and stomped on by multiple attackers since beatings are NEVER EVER LIFE THREATENING!  Right??!?
And you call being attacked "getting into a fight"?  Are you an idiot?  So if someone breaks into a persons place and they get shot, would you tell the homeowner that maybe they just shouldn't be robbed?  Is this your logic??


There is more to this story. Let's unfold the plot a little here:
The trigger was pulled by 24-year-old Landrick Hamilton, a student at EFSC, who was allegedly minding his own business and sitting in his car when another car pulled up next to him. In the other car were two men: Amado Contreras, 25, and his younger brother 24-year old Landyer Contreras.
A verbal spat started between the men, soon escalating to physical violence. Hamilton claims that the two young men physically attacked him. Amado Contreras and his brother are alleged to have assaulted Landrick Hamilton with a pool cue, at which point Hamilton reached into his vehicle and recovered a gun.

So what are the over/unders on significant other v. drugs v. money?

Somebody brought his problems - and pistol - to campus. And you know it won't end up where it stands now.

/Prosecute 'em all.

Where is your evidence to prosecute?

He has speculated that a narcotics transfer was arranged. Is not his conjecture sufficient to warrant criminal charges?

That's just demented.
I said the dispute originated off-campus. ...


So tell me, tough guy, what kept him from driving away, say, to the nearest cop shop, instead of getting out of his car and escalating the dispute? They parked beside him, not behind him.
Well?
 
2014-02-05 01:14:27 PM

demaL-demaL-yeH: Farkage: demaL-demaL-yeH: Dimensio: Doom MD: demaL-demaL-yeH: Farkage: Enlightened Liberal: Wow. How spineless do you have to be to pull out a gun during a fist fight? That guy needs to turn in his man card immediately.

There's no excuse to escalate a fist fight into a shoot out. You're supposed to duke it out mano y mano. If you can't handle it, then don't get into fights.

Most people here would be frothing at the lips if a cop shot an unarmed person because they were besting them in a fist fight.

You're absolutely right!  Everybody should just take it like a man when they're getting kicked and stomped on by multiple attackers since beatings are NEVER EVER LIFE THREATENING!  Right??!?
And you call being attacked "getting into a fight"?  Are you an idiot?  So if someone breaks into a persons place and they get shot, would you tell the homeowner that maybe they just shouldn't be robbed?  Is this your logic??


There is more to this story. Let's unfold the plot a little here:
The trigger was pulled by 24-year-old Landrick Hamilton, a student at EFSC, who was allegedly minding his own business and sitting in his car when another car pulled up next to him. In the other car were two men: Amado Contreras, 25, and his younger brother 24-year old Landyer Contreras.
A verbal spat started between the men, soon escalating to physical violence. Hamilton claims that the two young men physically attacked him. Amado Contreras and his brother are alleged to have assaulted Landrick Hamilton with a pool cue, at which point Hamilton reached into his vehicle and recovered a gun.

So what are the over/unders on significant other v. drugs v. money?

Somebody brought his problems - and pistol - to campus. And you know it won't end up where it stands now.

/Prosecute 'em all.

Where is your evidence to prosecute?

He has speculated that a narcotics transfer was arranged. Is not his conjecture sufficient to warrant criminal charges?

That's just demented.
I said the dispute originated off-campus. ...

So tell me, tough guy, what kept him from driving away, say, to the nearest cop shop, instead of getting out of his car and escalating the dispute? They parked beside him, not behind him.
Well?


Tough guy??? Honestly, you just sound more retarded in each of these threads.
So, where did you magically read where he was the one that got out of the car and escalated the dispute? You're not worth wasting time on when you make stuff up.
Good day sir. Better luck on your next trolling attempt.
 
2014-02-05 01:25:07 PM

demaL-demaL-yeH: So tell me, tough guy, what kept him from driving away, say, to the nearest cop shop, instead of getting out of his car and escalating the dispute? They parked beside him, not behind him.


Starting a car engine can be difficult when an attacker is actively beating the would-be driver.
 
2014-02-05 01:31:19 PM

Dimensio: demaL-demaL-yeH: So tell me, tough guy, what kept him from driving away, say, to the nearest cop shop, instead of getting out of his car and escalating the dispute? They parked beside him, not behind him.

Starting a car engine can be difficult when an attacker is actively beating the would-be driver.


Haven't you heard that it's always the guy who has the firearm who is at fault?  Lacerations and head injuries due to blunt force trauma are no excuse young man.
 
2014-02-05 01:35:49 PM

demaL-demaL-yeH: State courts do not have the ability to nullify 18 USC 922(q). Every challenge to it has failed.


If the shooter held a valid concealed weapons permit issued by the state of Florida, then 18 USC 922(q) would not apply to him at all:

(B) Subparagraph (A) does not apply to the possession of a firearm-
[...]
(ii) if the individual possessing the firearm is licensed to do so by the State in which the school zone is located or a political subdivision of the State, and the law of the State or political subdivision requires that, before an individual obtains such a license, the law enforcement authorities of the State or political subdivision verify that the individual is qualified under law to receive the license;


This, however, is academic. 18 USC 922(q) applies only to primary and secondary education facilities; a university campus is neither. Definitions of 18 USC 922 are provided in 18 USC 921. From those definitions:

(25) The term "school zone" means-
(A) in, or on the grounds of, a public, parochial or private school; or
(B) within a distance of 1,000 feet from the grounds of a public, parochial or private school.
(26) The term "school" means a school which provides elementary or secondary education, as determined under State law.

A university campus does not fit the above definitions, thus the prohibition upon possessing firearms in a "school zone" is not applied on university campuses by 18 USC 922(q).


Please explain, specifically, why an individual who did not demonstrably violate 18 USC 922(q) should be prosecuted.
 
2014-02-05 01:39:48 PM

Farkage: Tough guy??? Honestly, you just sound more retarded in each of these threads.
So, where did you magically read where he was the one that got out of the car and escalated the dispute? You're not worth wasting time on when you make stuff up.
Good day sir. Better luck on your next trolling attempt.


He was sitting peacefully in his car minding his own bidness when the brothers drove up and parked next to him.
So how, pray tell, did he end up being beaten with a pool cue out in the parking lot?
Look at the pictures with TFA - there were pool cue pieces over a twenty meter trail.
Was he magically teleported sixty-odd feet from his car?
He went back to his car for the pistol.

PS Where, pray tell, do you think the newspaper got its facts?
 
2014-02-05 01:40:49 PM

AngryDragon: Dimensio: demaL-demaL-yeH: So tell me, tough guy, what kept him from driving away, say, to the nearest cop shop, instead of getting out of his car and escalating the dispute? They parked beside him, not behind him.

Starting a car engine can be difficult when an attacker is actively beating the would-be driver.

Haven't you heard that it's always the guy who has the firearm who is at fault?  Lacerations and head injuries due to blunt force trauma are no excuse young man.


demaL-demaL-yeH has already lied about the Gun Free School Zones Act of 1990 when advocating prosecution of the shooter. Perhaps he could also lie about laws relating to the use of force.
 
2014-02-05 02:03:58 PM

Dimensio: demaL-demaL-yeH has already lied about the Gun Free School Zones Act of 1990 when advocating prosecution of the shooter. Perhaps he could also lie about laws relating to the use of force.



Florida statutes.

790.251Protection of the right to keep and bear arms in motor vehicles for self-defense and other lawful purposes; prohibited acts; duty of public and private employers; immunity from liability; enforcement.
- (7)EXCEPTIONS.-The prohibitions in subsection (4) do not apply to:
(a)Any school property as defined and regulated under s.790.115.

790.115Possessing or discharging weapons or firearms at a school-sponsored event or on school property prohibited; penalties; exceptions.
For the purposes of this section, "school" means any preschool, elementary school, middle school, junior high school, secondary school, career center, or postsecondary school, whether public or nonpublic.


18 U.S. CODE § 921 - DEFINITIONS
(26) The term "school" means a school which provides elementary or secondary education, as determined under State law. [See above.]
 
2014-02-05 02:08:53 PM

demaL-demaL-yeH: Farkage: Tough guy??? Honestly, you just sound more retarded in each of these threads.
So, where did you magically read where he was the one that got out of the car and escalated the dispute? You're not worth wasting time on when you make stuff up.
Good day sir. Better luck on your next trolling attempt.

He was sitting peacefully in his car minding his own bidness when the brothers drove up and parked next to him.
So how, pray tell, did he end up being beaten with a pool cue out in the parking lot?
Look at the pictures with TFA - there were pool cue pieces over a twenty meter trail.
Was he magically teleported sixty-odd feet from his car?
He went back to his car for the pistol.

PS Where, pray tell, do you think the newspaper got its facts?


And yet your own repeated links say nothing about him being the one to get out of the car and escalate the situation now do they? Anywhere??? But you still invent a backstory because guns.
Again, good day troll. Better luck next time.
 
2014-02-05 02:15:37 PM

demaL-demaL-yeH: Dimensio: demaL-demaL-yeH has already lied about the Gun Free School Zones Act of 1990 when advocating prosecution of the shooter. Perhaps he could also lie about laws relating to the use of force.


Florida statutes.

790.251Protection of the right to keep and bear arms in motor vehicles for self-defense and other lawful purposes; prohibited acts; duty of public and private employers; immunity from liability; enforcement.
- (7)EXCEPTIONS.-The prohibitions in subsection (4) do not apply to:
(a)Any school property as defined and regulated under s.790.115.

790.115Possessing or discharging weapons or firearms at a school-sponsored event or on school property prohibited; penalties; exceptions.
For the purposes of this section, "school" means any preschool, elementary school, middle school, junior high school, secondary school, career center, or postsecondary school, whether public or nonpublic.


18 U.S. CODE § 921 - DEFINITIONS
(26) The term "school" means a school which provides elementary or secondary education, as determined under State law. [See above.]


Which Florida state law defines a university or a college as a school which provides elementary or secondary education?
 
2014-02-05 02:17:00 PM

Farkage: demaL-demaL-yeH: Farkage: Tough guy??? Honestly, you just sound more retarded in each of these threads.
So, where did you magically read where he was the one that got out of the car and escalated the dispute? You're not worth wasting time on when you make stuff up.
Good day sir. Better luck on your next trolling attempt.

He was sitting peacefully in his car minding his own bidness when the brothers drove up and parked next to him.
So how, pray tell, did he end up being beaten with a pool cue out in the parking lot?
Look at the pictures with TFA - there were pool cue pieces over a twenty meter trail.
Was he magically teleported sixty-odd feet from his car?
He went back to his car for the pistol.

PS Where, pray tell, do you think the newspaper got its facts?

And yet your own repeated links say nothing about him being the one to get out of the car and escalate the situation now do they? Anywhere??? But you still invent a backstory because guns.
Again, good day troll. Better luck next time.


Are you saying he didn't get out of his car?
That's nonsense.
Are you saying that he wasn't fighting with the brothers?
Also nonsense.
Because that contradicts every farking report on the incident that says he was in his car and the brothers parked next to him when this started.

And crap like this, people, is why stand your ground is beyond potato.
He could have simply driven away.
 
2014-02-05 02:28:41 PM

demaL-demaL-yeH: Farkage: demaL-demaL-yeH: Farkage: Tough guy??? Honestly, you just sound more retarded in each of these threads.
So, where did you magically read where he was the one that got out of the car and escalated the dispute? You're not worth wasting time on when you make stuff up.
Good day sir. Better luck on your next trolling attempt.

He was sitting peacefully in his car minding his own bidness when the brothers drove up and parked next to him.
So how, pray tell, did he end up being beaten with a pool cue out in the parking lot?
Look at the pictures with TFA - there were pool cue pieces over a twenty meter trail.
Was he magically teleported sixty-odd feet from his car?
He went back to his car for the pistol.

PS Where, pray tell, do you think the newspaper got its facts?

And yet your own repeated links say nothing about him being the one to get out of the car and escalate the situation now do they? Anywhere??? But you still invent a backstory because guns.
Again, good day troll. Better luck next time.

Are you saying he didn't get out of his car?
That's nonsense.
Are you saying that he wasn't fighting with the brothers?
Also nonsense.
Because that contradicts every farking report on the incident that says he was in his car and the brothers parked next to him when this started.

And crap like this, people, is why stand your ground is beyond potato.
He could have simply driven away.


You stated he got out of his car and ESCALATED THE SITUATION. Back that up with facts or shut the fark up.
Your opinion is whoever has the gun is at fault you prick. Stop acting like a whiny little girl and provide evidence to back up the fact he ESCALATED THE SITUATION and I'll change my stance, as I previously stated.
 
2014-02-05 02:32:38 PM

Farkage: demaL-demaL-yeH: Farkage: demaL-demaL-yeH: Farkage: Tough guy??? Honestly, you just sound more retarded in each of these threads.
So, where did you magically read where he was the one that got out of the car and escalated the dispute? You're not worth wasting time on when you make stuff up.
Good day sir. Better luck on your next trolling attempt.

He was sitting peacefully in his car minding his own bidness when the brothers drove up and parked next to him.
So how, pray tell, did he end up being beaten with a pool cue out in the parking lot?
Look at the pictures with TFA - there were pool cue pieces over a twenty meter trail.
Was he magically teleported sixty-odd feet from his car?
He went back to his car for the pistol.

PS Where, pray tell, do you think the newspaper got its facts?

And yet your own repeated links say nothing about him being the one to get out of the car and escalate the situation now do they? Anywhere??? But you still invent a backstory because guns.
Again, good day troll. Better luck next time.

Are you saying he didn't get out of his car?
That's nonsense.
Are you saying that he wasn't fighting with the brothers?
Also nonsense.
Because that contradicts every farking report on the incident that says he was in his car and the brothers parked next to him when this started.

And crap like this, people, is why stand your ground is beyond potato.
He could have simply driven away.

You stated he got out of his car and ESCALATED THE SITUATION. Back that up with facts or shut the fark up.
Your opinion is whoever has the gun is at fault you prick. Stop acting like a whiny little girl and provide evidence to back up the fact he ESCALATED THE SITUATION and I'll change my stance, as I previously stated.


Do you not comprehend that the shooter could simply have inserted the keys into the ignition of his vehicle, started the vehicle, shifted the vehicle into reverse, then held the steering wheel and then applied the throttle to move the vehicle, all while being beaten by his attacker?
 
2014-02-05 02:36:36 PM

Dimensio: Farkage: demaL-demaL-yeH: Farkage: demaL-demaL-yeH: Farkage: Tough guy??? Honestly, you just sound more retarded in each of these threads.
So, where did you magically read where he was the one that got out of the car and escalated the dispute? You're not worth wasting time on when you make stuff up.
Good day sir. Better luck on your next trolling attempt.

He was sitting peacefully in his car minding his own bidness when the brothers drove up and parked next to him.
So how, pray tell, did he end up being beaten with a pool cue out in the parking lot?
Look at the pictures with TFA - there were pool cue pieces over a twenty meter trail.
Was he magically teleported sixty-odd feet from his car?
He went back to his car for the pistol.

PS Where, pray tell, do you think the newspaper got its facts?

And yet your own repeated links say nothing about him being the one to get out of the car and escalate the situation now do they? Anywhere??? But you still invent a backstory because guns.
Again, good day troll. Better luck next time.

Are you saying he didn't get out of his car?
That's nonsense.
Are you saying that he wasn't fighting with the brothers?
Also nonsense.
Because that contradicts every farking report on the incident that says he was in his car and the brothers parked next to him when this started.

And crap like this, people, is why stand your ground is beyond potato.
He could have simply driven away.

You stated he got out of his car and ESCALATED THE SITUATION. Back that up with facts or shut the fark up.
Your opinion is whoever has the gun is at fault you prick. Stop acting like a whiny little girl and provide evidence to back up the fact he ESCALATED THE SITUATION and I'll change my stance, as I previously stated.

Do you not comprehend that the shooter could simply have inserted the keys into the ignition of his vehicle, started the vehicle, shifted the vehicle into reverse, then held the steering wheel and then applied the throttle to move the vehicle, all while being beaten by his attacker?


Oh, sorry man. Good call. My bad.
 
2014-02-05 02:44:17 PM

Farkage: You stated he got out of his car and ESCALATED THE SITUATION. Back that up with facts or shut the fark up.
Your opinion is whoever has the gun is at fault you prick. Stop acting like a whiny little girl and provide evidence to back up the fact he ESCALATED THE SITUATION and I'll change my stance, as I previously stated.


HE GOT OUT OF HIS CAR WHEN HE COULD HAVE SIMPLY DRIVEN AWAY.
No fight ensues. No twenty meter trail of broken pool cue. Nobody shot.
 
2014-02-05 03:28:29 PM

demaL-demaL-yeH: Farkage: You stated he got out of his car and ESCALATED THE SITUATION. Back that up with facts or shut the fark up.
Your opinion is whoever has the gun is at fault you prick. Stop acting like a whiny little girl and provide evidence to back up the fact he ESCALATED THE SITUATION and I'll change my stance, as I previously stated.

HE GOT OUT OF HIS CAR WHEN HE COULD HAVE SIMPLY DRIVEN AWAY.
No fight ensues. No twenty meter trail of broken pool cue. Nobody shot.


Are we blaming the victim now?  You're saying he was asking for it?
 
2014-02-05 03:40:15 PM

AngryDragon: demaL-demaL-yeH: Farkage: You stated he got out of his car and ESCALATED THE SITUATION. Back that up with facts or shut the fark up.
Your opinion is whoever has the gun is at fault you prick. Stop acting like a whiny little girl and provide evidence to back up the fact he ESCALATED THE SITUATION and I'll change my stance, as I previously stated.

HE GOT OUT OF HIS CAR WHEN HE COULD HAVE SIMPLY DRIVEN AWAY.
No fight ensues. No twenty meter trail of broken pool cue. Nobody shot.

Are we blaming the victim now?  You're saying he was asking for it?


Look upthread. There's more to this than a random two-brother-drive-to-community-college-park-next-to-random($OCCUPIED_C AR)-and-get-into-altercation-just-for-shiats-and-grins.
Shooter got out of his car to confront them and was on the wrong end of a pool cue beating.
It's been described all along as a fight in the parking lot.
The second best conflict is the one you avoid: He could have just driven away.

/The best is the one you prevent.
 
2014-02-05 03:41:48 PM

demaL-demaL-yeH: AngryDragon: demaL-demaL-yeH: Farkage: You stated he got out of his car and ESCALATED THE SITUATION. Back that up with facts or shut the fark up.
Your opinion is whoever has the gun is at fault you prick. Stop acting like a whiny little girl and provide evidence to back up the fact he ESCALATED THE SITUATION and I'll change my stance, as I previously stated.

HE GOT OUT OF HIS CAR WHEN HE COULD HAVE SIMPLY DRIVEN AWAY.
No fight ensues. No twenty meter trail of broken pool cue. Nobody shot.

Are we blaming the victim now?  You're saying he was asking for it?

Look upthread. There's more to this than a random two-brother-drive-to-community-college-park-next-to-random($OCCUPIED_C AR)-and-get-into-altercation-just-for-shiats-and-grins.
Shooter got out of his car to confront them and was on the wrong end of a pool cue beating.
It's been described all along as a fight in the parking lot.
The second best conflict is the one you avoid: He could have just driven away.

/The best is the one you prevent.


And you are presuming half of your "facts", which makes you a dick.
 
2014-02-05 03:48:12 PM

Farkage: demaL-demaL-yeH: AngryDragon: demaL-demaL-yeH: Farkage: You stated he got out of his car and ESCALATED THE SITUATION. Back that up with facts or shut the fark up.
Your opinion is whoever has the gun is at fault you prick. Stop acting like a whiny little girl and provide evidence to back up the fact he ESCALATED THE SITUATION and I'll change my stance, as I previously stated.

HE GOT OUT OF HIS CAR WHEN HE COULD HAVE SIMPLY DRIVEN AWAY.
No fight ensues. No twenty meter trail of broken pool cue. Nobody shot.

Are we blaming the victim now?  You're saying he was asking for it?

Look upthread. There's more to this than a random two-brother-drive-to-community-college-park-next-to-random($OCCUPIED_C AR)-and-get-into-altercation-just-for-shiats-and-grins.
Shooter got out of his car to confront them and was on the wrong end of a pool cue beating.
It's been described all along as a fight in the parking lot.
The second best conflict is the one you avoid: He could have just driven away.

/The best is the one you prevent.

And you are presuming half of your "facts", which makes you a dick.


At least half.  Wasn't there an assumption of a drug deal or something as well?

Again blaming the victim.  I guess the next rape victim we hear about gets no sympathy because she could have "just gone home from the bar" or shouldn't have been wearing suggestive clothing?  Someone minding their own business and being attacked is a victim, even if something about them doesn't agree with someone's political bias.
 
2014-02-05 03:58:57 PM

AngryDragon: Farkage: demaL-demaL-yeH: AngryDragon: demaL-demaL-yeH: Farkage: You stated he got out of his car and ESCALATED THE SITUATION. Back that up with facts or shut the fark up.
Your opinion is whoever has the gun is at fault you prick. Stop acting like a whiny little girl and provide evidence to back up the fact he ESCALATED THE SITUATION and I'll change my stance, as I previously stated.

HE GOT OUT OF HIS CAR WHEN HE COULD HAVE SIMPLY DRIVEN AWAY.
No fight ensues. No twenty meter trail of broken pool cue. Nobody shot.

Are we blaming the victim now?  You're saying he was asking for it?

Look upthread. There's more to this than a random two-brother-drive-to-community-college-park-next-to-random($OCCUPIED_C AR)-and-get-into-altercation-just-for-shiats-and-grins.
Shooter got out of his car to confront them and was on the wrong end of a pool cue beating.
It's been described all along as a fight in the parking lot.
The second best conflict is the one you avoid: He could have just driven away.

/The best is the one you prevent.

And you are presuming half of your "facts", which makes you a dick.

At least half.  Wasn't there an assumption of a drug deal or something as well?

Again blaming the victim.  I guess the next rape victim we hear about gets no sympathy because she could have "just gone home from the bar" or shouldn't have been wearing suggestive clothing?  Someone minding their own business and being attacked is a victim, even if something about them doesn't agree with someone's political bias.


Yeah, he invented a backstory to "prove" it was the shooters fault, even though there was a witness that said shooting the guy may have saved his life.
 
2014-02-05 03:59:56 PM

Farkage: demaL-demaL-yeH: AngryDragon: demaL-demaL-yeH: Farkage: You stated he got out of his car and ESCALATED THE SITUATION. Back that up with facts or shut the fark up.
Your opinion is whoever has the gun is at fault you prick. Stop acting like a whiny little girl and provide evidence to back up the fact he ESCALATED THE SITUATION and I'll change my stance, as I previously stated.

HE GOT OUT OF HIS CAR WHEN HE COULD HAVE SIMPLY DRIVEN AWAY.
No fight ensues. No twenty meter trail of broken pool cue. Nobody shot.

Are we blaming the victim now?  You're saying he was asking for it?

Look upthread. There's more to this than a random two-brother-drive-to-community-college-park-next-to-random($OCCUPIED_C AR)-and-get-into-altercation-just-for-shiats-and-grins.
Shooter got out of his car to confront them and was on the wrong end of a pool cue beating.
It's been described all along as a fight in the parking lot.
The second best conflict is the one you avoid: He could have just driven away.

/The best is the one you prevent.

And you are presuming half of your "facts", which makes you a dick.


What am I presuming?
Here.
Here.
And here you go.

/If you want to bring in any other, unpublished facts, please, be my guest.
 
2014-02-05 04:10:06 PM

demaL-demaL-yeH: Farkage: demaL-demaL-yeH: AngryDragon: demaL-demaL-yeH: Farkage: You stated he got out of his car and ESCALATED THE SITUATION. Back that up with facts or shut the fark up.
Your opinion is whoever has the gun is at fault you prick. Stop acting like a whiny little girl and provide evidence to back up the fact he ESCALATED THE SITUATION and I'll change my stance, as I previously stated.

HE GOT OUT OF HIS CAR WHEN HE COULD HAVE SIMPLY DRIVEN AWAY.
No fight ensues. No twenty meter trail of broken pool cue. Nobody shot.

Are we blaming the victim now?  You're saying he was asking for it?

Look upthread. There's more to this than a random two-brother-drive-to-community-college-park-next-to-random($OCCUPIED_C AR)-and-get-into-altercation-just-for-shiats-and-grins.
Shooter got out of his car to confront them and was on the wrong end of a pool cue beating.
It's been described all along as a fight in the parking lot.
The second best conflict is the one you avoid: He could have just driven away.

/The best is the one you prevent.

And you are presuming half of your "facts", which makes you a dick.

What am I presuming?
Here.
Here.
And here you go.

/If you want to bring in any other, unpublished facts, please, be my guest.


And you are a dick because:
There were no presumptions of an altercation starting anywhere previously. You made that up.
There is nothing in any of that that even remotely implies he is at fault. You made that up.
There is nothing in and of those that said HE escalated the situation. You made that up. It DOES say he was beaten with a pool cue. A fact you presumably attribute to him starting the conflict (by escalating it)
You have provided no evidence to the contrary of any of that, and you keep posting the same articles I read as a way to prove to me I'm wrong. I guess I skipped over all the invisible paragraphs that back up your bullshiat.
Again, better luck next time troll.
 
2014-02-05 04:20:21 PM

Farkage: There were no presumptions of an altercation starting anywhere previously. You made that up.
There is nothing in any of that that even remotely implies he is at fault. You made that up.
There is nothing in and of those that said HE escalated the situation. You made that up. It DOES say he was beaten with a pool cue. A fact you presumably attribute to him starting the conflict (by escalating it)
You have provided no evidence to the contrary of any of that, and you keep posting the same articles I read as a way to prove to me I'm wrong. I guess I skipped over all the invisible paragraphs that back up your bullshiat.


When will you read what was actually published?
You claim that there was nothing that came before. OK, then, what started this altercation in the parking lot?
Did it randomly spring from the forehead of Zeus?
I didn't say he started the fight.
I said he escalated it, and that's exactly what he did when he chose to get out of his car.
He could have driven away: They parked next to him, not behind him.
 
2014-02-05 04:33:11 PM

demaL-demaL-yeH: Farkage: There were no presumptions of an altercation starting anywhere previously. You made that up.
There is nothing in any of that that even remotely implies he is at fault. You made that up.
There is nothing in and of those that said HE escalated the situation. You made that up. It DOES say he was beaten with a pool cue. A fact you presumably attribute to him starting the conflict (by escalating it)
You have provided no evidence to the contrary of any of that, and you keep posting the same articles I read as a way to prove to me I'm wrong. I guess I skipped over all the invisible paragraphs that back up your bullshiat.

When will you read what was actually published?
You claim that there was nothing that came before. OK, then, what started this altercation in the parking lot?
Did it randomly spring from the forehead of Zeus?
I didn't say he started the fight.
I said he escalated it, and that's exactly what he did when he chose to get out of his car.
He could have driven away: They parked next to him, not behind him.


I read the articles and I suggest you do the same. The only single thing that you have said that is supported by the articles was that he wasn't in his car. You invented the rest.
And since you were polite enough to include the link to the police department, I suggest you give them all the information that they apparently have been waiting for you to provide.
Either back up what you say with facts, or admit you are hypothesizing and shut the fark up.
 
2014-02-05 04:36:40 PM

demaL-demaL-yeH: You claim that there was nothing that came before. OK, then, what started this altercation in the parking lot?
Did it randomly spring from the forehead of Zeus?


Two assholes itching to start a fight with someone random? Two assholes who didn't like the look of random guy or his car and started talking shiat about it? Who knows? But, unless you have some evidence, it seems a bit of a stretch to jump to assuming there was history between them...

demaL-demaL-yeH: I didn't say he started the fight.
I said he escalated it, and that's exactly what he did when he chose to get out of his car.


And, again, how do you know he chose to get out rather than, say, being dragged out and beaten?

And, even if he did willingly choose to get out, what makes you think he did it to "escalate" any conflict, rather than try to defuse it? How do you know the conflict was serious enough to make him fearful enough to just drive away at that point? For that matter, how do you know there was any conflict at all at the point he chose to get out? Maybe he got out for some other reason, and that's when the other two decided to attack for whatever reason?

Look, I'm no fan of "shoot 'em all" approaches to conflict resolution, and for instance I think Zimmerman was a massive dick who definitely did bring on the situation himself, but you seem to be just assuming the worst about the shooter here just due to lack of information to the contrary... You may be right, but you have no evidence of that...
 
2014-02-05 04:38:32 PM

RobSeace: demaL-demaL-yeH: You claim that there was nothing that came before. OK, then, what started this altercation in the parking lot?
Did it randomly spring from the forehead of Zeus?

Two assholes itching to start a fight with someone random? Two assholes who didn't like the look of random guy or his car and started talking shiat about it? Who knows? But, unless you have some evidence, it seems a bit of a stretch to jump to assuming there was history between them...

demaL-demaL-yeH: I didn't say he started the fight.
I said he escalated it, and that's exactly what he did when he chose to get out of his car.

And, again, how do you know he chose to get out rather than, say, being dragged out and beaten?

And, even if he did willingly choose to get out, what makes you think he did it to "escalate" any conflict, rather than try to defuse it? How do you know the conflict was serious enough to make him fearful enough to just drive away at that point? For that matter, how do you know there was any conflict at all at the point he chose to get out? Maybe he got out for some other reason, and that's when the other two decided to attack for whatever reason?

Look, I'm no fan of "shoot 'em all" approaches to conflict resolution, and for instance I think Zimmerman was a massive dick who definitely did bring on the situation himself, but you seem to be just assuming the worst about the shooter here just due to lack of information to the contrary... You may be right, but you have no evidence of that...


According to him, he's right because the guy had a gun and that's the only thing that matters.
 
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