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2014-02-04 09:43:28 PM  
I've ceased having any pity for Fitz's wasted years in Arizona. He's had more than ample chance to leave if winning were actually important to him.
 
2014-02-04 09:54:48 PM  

Lost Thought 00: I've ceased having any pity for Fitz's wasted years in Arizona. He's had more than ample chance to leave if winning were actually important to him.


Wasn't he one Donte Stallworth miracle TD from a ring?
 
2014-02-04 09:59:41 PM  

Dafatone: Lost Thought 00: I've ceased having any pity for Fitz's wasted years in Arizona. He's had more than ample chance to leave if winning were actually important to him.

Wasn't he one Donte Stallworth miracle TD from a ring?


Santonio Holmes.
 
2014-02-04 10:03:26 PM  

Dafatone: Lost Thought 00: I've ceased having any pity for Fitz's wasted years in Arizona. He's had more than ample chance to leave if winning were actually important to him.

Wasn't he one Donte Stallworth miracle TD from a ring?


One Anrel Rolle getting off the damn field when isn't playing away...
 
2014-02-04 10:13:36 PM  
Going to be a tight race for third in the NFC West.
 
2014-02-04 10:13:38 PM  

Lost Thought 00: I've ceased having any pity for Fitz's wasted years in Arizona. He's had more than ample chance to leave if winning were actually important to him.


Looking at his Wikipedia page, he's done well in Arizona. Sure he could have done better with another QB since Warner left, but he's got almost ten years with one team, and I think that means a lot. Also he's making good money, his stats haven't suffered enough to keep him out of the HOF, he's on a seven-year pro bowl streak, he was in the Super Bowl a few years ago, and the team did pretty well this year. He's in a good place.

/I'm not a Cards fan, but I hope Lindley or Palmer steps up, or they get someone who can.
 
2014-02-04 10:15:47 PM  
They have to give it a run. The Super Bowl's here next year and that's very tempting by itself. They got the 2 best teams in the NFL in their division (and they were the only team to beat one of them in their own building in 2013). And they were the best team to NOT make the playoffs last year. They've got to go for it this season.
 
2014-02-04 10:25:53 PM  

skrame: Lost Thought 00: I've ceased having any pity for Fitz's wasted years in Arizona. He's had more than ample chance to leave if winning were actually important to him.

Looking at his Wikipedia page, he's done well in Arizona. Sure he could have done better with another QB since Warner left, but he's got almost ten years with one team, and I think that means a lot. Also he's making good money, his stats haven't suffered enough to keep him out of the HOF, he's on a seven-year pro bowl streak, he was in the Super Bowl a few years ago, and the team did pretty well this year. He's in a good place.

/I'm not a Cards fan, but I hope Lindley or Palmer steps up, or they get someone who can.


He's been in the league nearly 10 years? Fark I'm getting old
 
2014-02-04 10:36:07 PM  
He's still not as good as Rod Tidwell.
 
2014-02-04 10:52:20 PM  

UNC_Samurai: Dafatone: Lost Thought 00: I've ceased having any pity for Fitz's wasted years in Arizona. He's had more than ample chance to leave if winning were actually important to him.

Wasn't he one Donte Stallworth miracle TD from a ring?

Santonio Holmes.


You mean they're not the same guy?
 
2014-02-04 10:56:14 PM  

4NSpy: Going to be a tight race for third in the NFC West.


A tight three way race.
 
2014-02-04 10:58:05 PM  

Dafatone: UNC_Samurai: Dafatone: Lost Thought 00: I've ceased having any pity for Fitz's wasted years in Arizona. He's had more than ample chance to leave if winning were actually important to him.

Wasn't he one Donte Stallworth miracle TD from a ring?

Santonio Holmes.

You mean they're not the same guy?


While Santonio has had issues with assault and domestic violence in the past, at least he hasn't added DUI vehicular manslaughter to that list.
 
2014-02-04 11:38:35 PM  

worlddan: 4NSpy: Going to be a tight race for third in the NFC West.

A tight three way race.


And the Rams aren't far behind, with that defense...
 
2014-02-04 11:39:13 PM  

worlddan: 4NSpy: Going to be a tight race for third in the NFC West.

A tight three way race.


Rams get no love.

Fitz staying & trying to get the band back together is a smart move
 
2014-02-04 11:52:00 PM  
Going all in with Carson Palmer as your QB is like going all in with pocket 9s. A lot of hands have got you beat.
 
2014-02-04 11:52:22 PM  
Its a smart move on their part. Its nice to see a player of Fitz's caliber, who could easily command more money, restructure to help the team out.
 
2014-02-05 12:28:11 AM  

eddievercetti: worlddan: 4NSpy: Going to be a tight race for third in the NFC West.

A tight three way race.

Rams get no love.

Fitz staying & trying to get the band back together is a smart move


The Rams are going to be awesome in 2015/16 if they draft halfway decent this year.
 
2014-02-05 12:33:12 AM  

carnifex2005: eddievercetti: worlddan: 4NSpy: Going to be a tight race for third in the NFC West.

A tight three way race.

Rams get no love.

Fitz staying & trying to get the band back together is a smart move

The Rams are going to be awesome in 2015/16 if they draft halfway decent this year.


The current batch of GMs in the division appear to be mad geniuses
 
2014-02-05 12:42:43 AM  
The NFC West is going to be a meatgrinder.  Seattle, San Francisco, and Arizona ended with defenses in the top 6.  St. Louis could be top ten if they get a key upgrade or two for their secondary as their front seven is solid.
 
2014-02-05 12:58:07 AM  

iron_city_ap: Its a smart move on their part. Its nice to see a player of Fitz's caliber, who could easily command more money, restructure to help the team out.


Restructure just pushes out a few years. He isn't taking a penny less than he already signed for.
 
2014-02-05 01:07:24 AM  

carnifex2005: eddievercetti: worlddan: 4NSpy: Going to be a tight race for third in the NFC West.

A tight three way race.

Rams get no love.

Fitz staying & trying to get the band back together is a smart move

The Rams are going to be awesome in 2015/16 if they draft halfway decent this year.


As a Redskins fan, all I have to say is:

"You're welcome, St. Louis."
 
2014-02-05 01:14:30 AM  

LucklessWonder: carnifex2005: eddievercetti: worlddan: 4NSpy: Going to be a tight race for third in the NFC West.

A tight three way race.

Rams get no love.

Fitz staying & trying to get the band back together is a smart move

The Rams are going to be awesome in 2015/16 if they draft halfway decent this year.

As a Redskins fan, all I have to say is:

"You're welcome, St. Louis."


Thank you
sportsbycolin.com
 
2014-02-05 01:59:58 AM  

Lost Thought 00: I've ceased having any pity for Fitz's wasted years in Arizona. He's had more than ample chance to leave if winning were actually important to him.


Damn him for his selfless loyalty, that bum!
 
2014-02-05 02:02:32 AM  
Love Fitz, I was ecstatic when he caught the go ahead touchdown in Super Bowl 43, thought he had a career highlight, but then than Cardinals D man...
 
2014-02-05 02:02:49 AM  

FuManchu7: The NFC West is going to be a meatgrinder.  Seattle, San Francisco, and Arizona ended with defenses in the top 6.  St. Louis could be top ten if they get a key upgrade or two for their secondary as their front seven is solid.


I really hope it ends Arizona, Seattle then SF.
 
2014-02-05 04:01:31 AM  

Piizzadude: FuManchu7: The NFC West is going to be a meatgrinder.  Seattle, San Francisco, and Arizona ended with defenses in the top 6.  St. Louis could be top ten if they get a key upgrade or two for their secondary as their front seven is solid.

I really hope it ends Arizona, Seattle then SF.


I'd like that too.  I want to see AZ make another run.  AZ is the least-douchiest team in the division.  It helps they have Fitzgerald classing up the place.

/NFC West:  Arizona > Seattle > San Francisco >>>> that other team
//Would also accept:  Arizona > Seattle >> that other team > San Francisco
 
2014-02-05 06:43:56 AM  
Why does everyone try and make these guys that restructure are being selfless heros. He didn't take a pay cut. He got $12M up front.
 
2014-02-05 09:20:10 AM  

eddievercetti: worlddan: 4NSpy: Going to be a tight race for third in the NFC West.

A tight three way race.

Rams get no love.

Fitz staying & trying to get the band back together is a smart move


Nope....three is never love for the Rams. Aside from this being the toughest division right now in football. The Rams, are nipping the heels of Arizona, Seattle, and San Fran. I would not count anyone in that division as out in any way...although I would say who ever wins the division is a huge Superbowl contender.
 
2014-02-05 10:16:20 AM  
Rams and Cards are getting better. Niners and Hawks are two best teams in the NFL. 3/5 super bowls will be won by NFC west
 
2014-02-05 10:33:10 AM  
aahhh loyalty. is it so hard to believe he will put the team ahead of himself?

fitz still has an amazing career ahead of him...look forward to at least one of them with a ring.

/would still like to break toes belonging to hines ward
 
2014-02-05 10:46:30 AM  

skrame: Lost Thought 00: I've ceased having any pity for Fitz's wasted years in Arizona. He's had more than ample chance to leave if winning were actually important to him.

Looking at his Wikipedia page, he's done well in Arizona. Sure he could have done better with another QB since Warner left, but he's got almost ten years with one team, and I think that means a lot. Also he's making good money, his stats haven't suffered enough to keep him out of the HOF, he's on a seven-year pro bowl streak, he was in the Super Bowl a few years ago, and the team did pretty well this year. He's in a good place.

/I'm not a Cards fan, but I hope Lindley or Palmer steps up, or they get someone who can.


Fitz isn't a HoF player.  He's definitely a great player, but at no point in his career was Fitz the best WR in the league.  Andre Johnson and Megatron are HoF WRs, Fitz is in the close but not quite range.
 
2014-02-05 11:16:47 AM  
The NFC west went 30-10 in 2013, tied for the best division record since 2002 (I couldn't find numbers for before that). The Seahawks aren't going anywhere, the 49ers won't get much worse and might get better, the Cards are in the same boat, and the Rams are secretly pretty decent and have 2nd and 13th overall picks. There could very easily be no NFC West team below .500 or even at .500. It'll likely be the toughest division since the last expansion.
 
2014-02-05 12:22:18 PM  

flak attack: skrame: Lost Thought 00: I've ceased having any pity for Fitz's wasted years in Arizona. He's had more than ample chance to leave if winning were actually important to him.

Looking at his Wikipedia page, he's done well in Arizona. Sure he could have done better with another QB since Warner left, but he's got almost ten years with one team, and I think that means a lot. Also he's making good money, his stats haven't suffered enough to keep him out of the HOF, he's on a seven-year pro bowl streak, he was in the Super Bowl a few years ago, and the team did pretty well this year. He's in a good place.

/I'm not a Cards fan, but I hope Lindley or Palmer steps up, or they get someone who can.

Fitz isn't a HoF player.  He's definitely a great player, but at no point in his career was Fitz the best WR in the league.  Andre Johnson and Megatron are HoF WRs, Fitz is in the close but not quite range.


Couldn't disagree more. He's an absolute lock. There are plenty of HOFers who were never the single, undisputed best in the league at their position. Fitz was consistently one of the top two to five in the league for a good solid decade. That was more than enough for the likes of Cris Carter and Michael Irvin and Art Monk (and Torry Holt and Marvin Harrison and Terrell Owens when they're eligible), and it will be more than enough for Fitz.
 
2014-02-05 12:23:20 PM  

flak attack: Fitz isn't a HoF player.  He's definitely a great player, but at no point in his career was Fitz the best WR in the league.  Andre Johnson and Megatron are HoF WRs, Fitz is in the close but not quite range.


We have an early contender for dumbest comment of the day.
 
2014-02-05 12:26:11 PM  

neon_god: The NFC west went 30-10 in 2013, tied for the best division record since 2002 (I couldn't find numbers for before that). The Seahawks aren't going anywhere, the 49ers won't get much worse and might get better, the Cards are in the same boat, and the Rams are secretly pretty decent and have 2nd and 13th overall picks. There could very easily be no NFC West team below .500 or even at .500. It'll likely be the toughest division since the last expansion.


Eh.  I think SF will lose some quality free agents, and I don't think they have the depth to withstand too many more injuries (really, what happens if Kaep goes down?  They will lose every game).  The 49ers will also invest a lot of salary cap money on a QB who may or may not be worth it.  The Cards are up and coming, but they relied quite a bit on older veterans, and I think it is entirely possible that they will have to do another year or two of roster churning to get younger.  They, too, may lose some of the better vets on the team to free agency.  The Rams, well, they don't get much respect, but Bradford has been inconsistent, and they don't really have any top-flight WRs or RBs (Austin only seems to make plays every so often).  They are also coached by Jeff Fisher, who has always struggled balancing talent vs the needs of a player/team until it becomes too disruptive.  I remember when Rams fans were so happy to see him hired, proclaiming: we're so happy we're gonna be mediocre!  Well, that may just become reality.
 
2014-02-05 12:30:11 PM  

Super Chronic: Fitz was consistently one of the top two to five in the league for a good solid decade.


And he's a hell of a lot better than Andre Johnson. Jesus, that sh*t is laughable. Yeah, I'll take 26 more TD over 1000 more yards in a career that started a year earlier.
 
2014-02-05 12:33:36 PM  
Oh, and the HoF does care about playoff performance.

Larry Fitz: 705 yards and 9 TD in 6 games
Andre Johnson: 358 yards and 1 TD in 4 games
 
2014-02-05 12:37:26 PM  

IAmRight: Super Chronic: Fitz was consistently one of the top two to five in the league for a good solid decade.

And he's a hell of a lot better than Andre Johnson. Jesus, that sh*t is laughable. Yeah, I'll take 26 more TD over 1000 more yards in a career that started a year earlier.


They're both really good. Johnson spent a good portion of his career with David Carr, then turned Matt Schaub into a Pro Bowler. And he deserves credit for giving us the Cortland Innegan meme. It's hard to compare. They're both HOF locks.

Both Fitz and Johnson are also top-notch blockers, for the record.
 
2014-02-05 12:53:53 PM  

IAmRight: flak attack: Fitz isn't a HoF player.  He's definitely a great player, but at no point in his career was Fitz the best WR in the league.  Andre Johnson and Megatron are HoF WRs, Fitz is in the close but not quite range.

We have an early contender for dumbest comment of the day.


Fitz has fewer receiving yards/game than Megatron, Andre Johnson, A.J. Green, Julio Jones, Victor Cruz and Brandon Marshall.  Even if you eliminate the players fewer than 5 years in the league, he's still behind Megatron, Andrew Johnson and Brandon Marshall.  Even catching passes from Kurt Warner, he beat out Andre Johnson in yards/game two years; both years that Johnson was catching from David Carr.  Johnson has led the league in total yards twice and yards/game three times, while catching from Matt Schaub.  Fitz has never lead the league in either.

If Fitz makes it, Johnson makes it.


Megatron is the only player in NFL history to ever have two back to back 1600 yard seasons and is one of three players to ever record two 1600 yard seasons.  He has the single season record and the regulation time record.  He's average better numbers in every single category across his 7 year career than Fitz did in the best 7 years of his career.

If Fitz makes it, Megatron makes it (well, Megatron makes it in regardless).


If you ignore their rookie years (Marshall started only 1 game his rookie year), Marshall averages 1 fewer TD a year but picks up 75 more yards/year than Fitz, despite missing more games/year.  The best QB Marshall has ever caught from is Jay Cutler while Fitz spent over half his career catching passes from Kurt Warner.

If Fitz makes it, Marshall makes it.


Those WRs entered the league in 2003 (Andre), 2004 (Fitz), 2006 (Marshall), 2007 (Megatron).  Those are his peers.  Fitz is one of the best of his peers, but he's not the best.  The HoF should only be for the best.
 
2014-02-05 12:56:19 PM  

IAmRight: Oh, and the HoF does care about playoff performance.

Larry Fitz: 705 yards and 9 TD in 6 games
Andre Johnson: 358 yards and 1 TD in 4 games


There's a world of difference between catching from Matt Schaub and Kurt Warner.  Andre Johnson made Matt Schaub look like a pro-bowler.  Fitz made Carson Palmer look like Carson Palmer.
 
2014-02-05 01:06:32 PM  

IAmRight: flak attack: Fitz isn't a HoF player.  He's definitely a great player, but at no point in his career was Fitz the best WR in the league.  Andre Johnson and Megatron are HoF WRs, Fitz is in the close but not quite range.

We have an early contender for dumbest comment of the day.


Well I don't know if it's dumbest of the day. I will say fitz has some work left to do. It's just a really crowded spot for the HOF and once you are done for five years it starts to be about numbers. having seen his whole run he feels like a hall fo famer to me but when you look at that list you see 28 guys ahead of him in yardage and 15 oif them aren't in and most won't be going in. Some of them aren't eligible yet of course and a few still active. I'm mostly saying there's a really long list of guys with more yards than fitz that no one thinks are hall of famers and a couple more big years will really help him. He's only 29 - I say he gets it done if he stays healthy. If he quit tomorrow I'd have serious doubts.
 
2014-02-05 01:07:08 PM  

flak attack: while Fitz spent over half his career catching passes from Kurt Warner.


Fitzgerald's primary QBs, by season: 2004 Josh McCown, 2005 McCown/Kurt Warner, 2006 Matt Leinart, 2007 Warner, 2008 Warner, 2009 Warner, 2010 Derek Anderson, 2011 John Skelton/Kevin Kolb, 2012 Skelton/Kolb/Ryan Lindley, 2013 Carson Palmer.

That's three and a half years out of ten with Warner. And remember, Warner himself was pretty ordinary when he didn't have all-time great receivers like Holt/Bruce and, yes, Fitzgerald.
 
2014-02-05 01:12:49 PM  

flak attack: Fitz spent over half his career catching passes from Kurt Warner.


That's an interesting way of making up numbers.

2004: Josh McCown
2005: Kurt Warner/Josh McCown
2006: Matt Leinart/Kurt Warner
2007: Kurt Warner/Matt Leinart
2008: Kurt Warner
2009: Kurt Warner/Matt Leinart
2010: Derek Anderson/Max Hall/John Skelton
2011: Kevin Kolb/John Skelton
2012: Kevin Kolb/John Skelton/Ryan Lindley/Brian Hoyer
2013: Carson Palmer

Kurt Warner started 57 games as a Cardinal. Fitzgerald has started 155 games.
 
2014-02-05 01:40:48 PM  

Super Chronic: Fitzgerald's primary QBs, by season:


That's fine but I don't think they sit there and say 'but he didn't have a good qb a lot of the time.' Like I said he feels like a future HOF to me but I think he has some work left because there's a slew of guys ahead of him on a lot of lists and they ain't all getting in. I know it's not ALL about lists but certainly a lot of it is.
 
2014-02-05 01:49:27 PM  

flak attack: If Fitz makes it, Johnson makes it.


flak attack: If Fitz makes it, Megatron makes it (well, Megatron makes it in regardless).


flak attack: If Fitz makes it, Marshall makes it.


Maybe they do; I'm not trying to do a comparative analysis. I just think Fitz's numbers and pro bowls (I know, I know) and demeanor (I know, I know) are good enough for the HOF. Who knows what the selection committee will decide. At least it's not up to the BBWAA.
 
2014-02-05 01:52:40 PM  
As a Cards fan I think this was a terrible move.  You get $10M more to spend in 2014 but you lose like $18M in 2015.  They really needed to renegotiate the contract and reduce his pay.  Fitz's getting like $12M next season... if cut no one gives him more than half that.

I'd rather cut bait now and focus on FA and draft acquisitions at WR.  Fitz is great but hasn't been a top talent for 3 years.  He's dropping passes and fumbling- things he never really did before.  2 or 3 picks from each of the last 2 seasons (for Skelton and Palmer) were balls that bounced off his fingers.

I love Fitz but he is now a serious liability with his cap hit.
 
2014-02-05 01:58:54 PM  

JohnBigBootay: Super Chronic: Fitzgerald's primary QBs, by season:

That's fine but I don't think they sit there and say 'but he didn't have a good qb a lot of the time.' Like I said he feels like a future HOF to me but I think he has some work left because there's a slew of guys ahead of him on a lot of lists and they ain't all getting in. I know it's not ALL about lists but certainly a lot of it is.


I'm not sure he even needs the stat-padding. Let's say his recent decline is real and he plays four more seasons like the average of the last two disappointing ones, then retires at the not-terribly-old age of 33. That would put him seventh all-time in receptions, behind Tim Brown and ahead of Marvin Harrison, undeniably in HOF territory. A lot of players slowed down in later years and slowly climbed up the career rankings at the end. So if, instead, Fitzgerald gets hit by a bus tomorrow and never plays again, would the lack of those late-career seasons of mediocrity be the difference between a HOF career and a non-HOF career?
 
2014-02-05 02:00:55 PM  

Super Chronic: JohnBigBootay: Super Chronic: Fitzgerald's primary QBs, by season:

That's fine but I don't think they sit there and say 'but he didn't have a good qb a lot of the time.' Like I said he feels like a future HOF to me but I think he has some work left because there's a slew of guys ahead of him on a lot of lists and they ain't all getting in. I know it's not ALL about lists but certainly a lot of it is.

I'm not sure he even needs the stat-padding. Let's say his recent decline is real and he plays four more seasons like the average of the last two disappointing ones, then retires at the not-terribly-old age of 33. That would put him seventh all-time in receptions, behind Tim Brown and ahead of Marvin Harrison, undeniably in HOF territory. A lot of players slowed down in later years and slowly climbed up the career rankings at the end. So if, instead, Fitzgerald gets hit by a bus tomorrow and never plays again, would the lack of those late-career seasons of mediocrity be the difference between a HOF career and a non-HOF career?


Correction: I actually was looking at receiving yardage, not receptions.
 
2014-02-05 02:16:14 PM  

Super Chronic: So if, instead, Fitzgerald gets hit by a bus tomorrow and never plays again, would the lack of those late-career seasons of mediocrity be the difference between a HOF career and a non-HOF career?


Unfortunately, probably. He's at the part of his career where he moves up on the list every game. I think of it sort of like a golf tournament - on the last day it's not necessarily the number of strokes you are behind, it's about the number of players you have to pass. They'll jump a guy over people on pure counting stats based on intangibles - I just think there's a limit to it. The game is so pass-friendly these days. There's lots of dudes with lots and lots of yards. You have to get a fair ways up that list to make it credible in my mind and I think he will do so.

For contrast go look at active and recently retired guys on the receiving yards list vs the rushing yardage list. Quite a stark difference. There's two guys on the rushing list top ten who are not in the hall and they are not eligible yet. If you make it to the top ten in rushing yards you're probably getting in and soon. The vast majority of the receiving top ten are not in yet and probably won;t all make it.

Here's the problem - they aren't all eligible yet but career yardage leaders 2-7 are not in the hall of fame yet and plenty of active guys still climbing on the list. They only do a few guys a year and spread the positions out somewhat. So even if h does get a lot of yards the hall could still be quite a long wait.
 
2014-02-05 02:17:07 PM  

Super Chronic: Super Chronic: JohnBigBootay: Super Chronic: Fitzgerald's primary QBs, by season:

That's fine but I don't think they sit there and say 'but he didn't have a good qb a lot of the time.' Like I said he feels like a future HOF to me but I think he has some work left because there's a slew of guys ahead of him on a lot of lists and they ain't all getting in. I know it's not ALL about lists but certainly a lot of it is.

I'm not sure he even needs the stat-padding. Let's say his recent decline is real and he plays four more seasons like the average of the last two disappointing ones, then retires at the not-terribly-old age of 33. That would put him seventh all-time in receptions, behind Tim Brown and ahead of Marvin Harrison, undeniably in HOF territory. A lot of players slowed down in later years and slowly climbed up the career rankings at the end. So if, instead, Fitzgerald gets hit by a bus tomorrow and never plays again, would the lack of those late-career seasons of mediocrity be the difference between a HOF career and a non-HOF career?

Correction: I actually was looking at receiving yardage, not receptions.


Both Brown and Harrison should have been elected this time around, ahead of Reed. But yeah, I'm pretty sure the only category Brown leads Harrison in is yardage.
 
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