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(The Daily Beast)   To all the Coca-Cola Super Bowl ad haters aghast at the notion of using a foreign language to express the idea of togetherness, I have only three words for you: e pluribus unum   (thedailybeast.com) divider line 344
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2014-02-04 09:21:31 PM  

mbillips: redsquid: The words you speak are not your culture- the ideas behind them are. If you want to see how well two separate languages in the same society works out just look at Florida. We have more social insularity than anywhere else I've ever lived. There is very little overlap between Spanish speakers and English speakers outside of basic economic exchanges. This has lead to resentment and an 'us and them' attitude on both sides of the language divide.
Of course a divided group is easier to control. By pandering to the separate cultural groups, our politicians have played us off of one another very well. This has left our state in a shambles. It is not our only problem but it is a big one with no easy solution.
A common language is the broth of our American cultural stew.

Second-generation immigrants speak crappy Spanish. Third-generation immigrants speak no Spanish at all. This is as true in Florida and California as anywhere else.



My point is that language is not a cultural artifact- it's a tool for living with other people and interacting in society. Celebrate your culture- throw quicenieras, dive off the sponge docks for the epiphany cross, gather together to drink kava or chew betel nuts and keep making all the great food- but accept the culture of your new home, also. Come here to be an American, not just a resident of a miniature version of whatever you left behind.
 
2014-02-04 09:22:41 PM  

TV's Vinnie: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haddon_Sundblom


Yeah, not so much:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Nast

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2014-02-04 09:24:24 PM  

TV's Vinnie: Wait till this Christmas. When the 'baggers are still accusing Coke of being anti-American, and then you see all the adverts of Santa Claus, the Haddon Sunblom version of Santa that was designed for Coke. I'm just waiting for one of them to open their mayonnaise hole to start talking smack about Coca Cola so I can yell "YOU'RE WAGING WAR ON CHRISTMAS!"


And then watch them explode in a shower of sparks & flame as the attempt to fit both rages together overwhelms them.


"Mayonnaise hole" made me giggle uncontrollably. Thank you.
 
2014-02-04 09:26:20 PM  

Need_MindBleach: felching pen: Vector R: I do find it somewhat offensive, as other countries aren't forced to be "diverse" by having THEIR national anthems sung in different languages. They have official languages that the natives speak, and we should too.

Canada disagrees, in English and French, politely.

Canada, the country that holds referendums on whether the country should split on two every dozen years?


This.
I live in Canada.  Every time it has come up, no one has anything good to say about Quebec, and want the split to happen on the condition that it is a total and complete separation.  They tell me Quebec wants to leave but still receive funds and other benefits from the rest of Canada, and that is the reason secession fails.
 
2014-02-04 09:26:53 PM  

ciberido: When people are uncomfortable with or unsettled by progress, compassion and encouragement are the appropriate response. When people attack progress, fighting back is the appropriate response.


What you regard as "progress" is not universally regarded as good.
 
2014-02-04 09:26:56 PM  

Mentat: But who could've predicted the outrage we saw over the Coca-Cola commercial that aired during last night's Super Bowl?!

Pretty much everyone?


Everyone in the SB thread did.
 
2014-02-04 09:28:31 PM  
Can we just kick any normal out of Alaska, declare it a new country, and ship these people there for good? It has oil, gold, and a shiat ton of animals to kill, they will be fine.
 
2014-02-04 09:32:05 PM  

scottydoesntknow: TheShavingofOccam123: RexTalionis: brap: That said, I'm a also not ready to start championing international carbonated corn sugar water as the harbinger of global understanding either.

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 500x341]

Oh come on. The hell with world peace through soda. Spice it up with some Nazi-developed, world-domination uber soda


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Fanta originated as a result of difficulties importing Coca-Cola syrup into Nazi Germany during World War II due to a trade embargo. To circumvent this, Max Keith, the head of Coca-Cola Deutschland (Coca-Cola GmbH) during the Second World War, decided to create a new product for the German market, using only ingredients available in Germany at the time, including whey and pomace - the "leftovers of leftovers", as Keith later recalled. The name was the result of a brief brainstorming session, which started with Keith exhorting his team to "use their imagination" ("Fantasie" in German), to which one of his salesmen, Joe Knipp, immediately retorted "Fanta!"

While the plant was effectively cut off from Coca Cola headquarters during the war, plant management did not join the Nazi Party. After the war, the Coca Cola corporation regained control of the plant, formula and the trademarks to the new Fanta product - as well as the plant profits made during the war.

Every single time I see that image, all I see is the red Fanta girl's freakish arm.

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What has been seen can not be unseen.


fark YOU!!!!! Now that you pointed it out it looks like an Iranian version of a north Korean photoshop job. I'm not even sure those girls were in the same state for that picture.....
 
2014-02-04 09:35:23 PM  

spamdog: I think a lot of negative reactions is because people are sick to death of "diversity" mandates, not necessarily enacted by the state, but by the companies they work for, the marketing they see, and all the left-wingers that use it to club people over the head with. It's tiresome.

If you just want to bash Republicans to puff yourself up a bit, then go right ahead. But don't you feel like a bit of a sheep, bleating the same thing as 95% of everyone here?


Nope. Especially when for years it was perfectly "traditional" to club over immigrants for coming over, and they were white: just not from England or they weren't Protestant.
 
2014-02-04 09:38:25 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: TV's Vinnie: then you see all the adverts of Santa Claus, the Haddon Sunblom version of Santa that was designed for Coke.

Wrong. Haddon Sunblom didn't design Santa Claus for Coke; that image existed long before Coke used it in an advert.


It's hard to say exactly when Santa Claus was "invented" but he clearly predates Coca-Cola.
 
2014-02-04 09:40:32 PM  

Darth_Lukecash: Nope. Especially when for years it was perfectly "traditional" to club over immigrants for coming over, and they were white: just not from England or they weren't Protestant.


I guess two wrongs make a right.
 
2014-02-04 09:40:36 PM  
So when people from other cultures sing a traditional song that is part of American heritage, its fine, but when Katy Perry dresses up as a part of traditional Japanese heritage, it's racist?

For the record, they are both fine.  Cultural assimilation is always a good thing.
 
2014-02-04 09:45:41 PM  

Mambo Bananapatch: My IQ has gone up 30 points since I started muting the TV during all advertising. The best advertising is still advertising.

/i'm up to 55!


The mute button on my remote is by far the most used.
 
2014-02-04 09:46:56 PM  

HAMMERTOE: So, "e" in Latin translates to "out of"? I had figured it just meant "from".


There isn't a one-to-one translation of "e" from Latin into English.  But both "from" and "out of" are reasonable translations most of the time.

In general, you can't reasonably expect that a preposition in one language will exactly match a preposition in a completely different language the same way you might reasonably expect there to be one and only one word for "water."  Languages just don't work that way.  For that matter, even words for the most basic things like "water" may surprise you.
 
2014-02-04 09:50:58 PM  

uber humper: No lie. Heart disease along with diabetes, Alzheimer's and other metabolic syndromes. Sugar will kill.


No, heart disease along with diabetes, Alzheimers and other metabolic syndromes will kill. Sugar has fark-all to do with it.
 
2014-02-04 09:51:37 PM  

spamdog: ciberido: When people are uncomfortable with or unsettled by progress, compassion and encouragement are the appropriate response. When people attack progress, fighting back is the appropriate response.

What you regard as "progress" is not universally regarded as good.


Because some people are stupid. Shock.
 
2014-02-04 09:54:16 PM  

bekaye: ciberido: Eddie Adams from Torrance: e pluribus unum

Isn't that like French for "please iron these plaid trousers" ?

No, it's Hungarian for "My hovercraft is full of eels."

No, it's Vulcan for "the ensign is gassy."


No, it's Klingon for "quit being so farking whiny."
 
2014-02-04 09:55:40 PM  

spamdog: ciberido: When people are uncomfortable with or unsettled by progress, compassion and encouragement are the appropriate response. When people attack progress, fighting back is the appropriate response.

What you regard as "progress" is not universally regarded as good.


Obviously, or else this thread and the story that lead to it would not exist.  That doesn't change the fact that progress IS good.  What it does change is the relevant strategy: there are decent, well-intentioned people who are uncomfortable with, or even opposed to, progress.  When feasible it is better to education them, so that they become supporters.

There are, of course, also people who are opposed to progress simply because they are that selfish, greedy, or evil: the appropriate strategy for them is to stomp them flat.
 
2014-02-04 10:00:21 PM  

ciberido: There are, of course, also people who are opposed to progress simply because they are that selfish, greedy, or evil: the appropriate strategy for them is to stomp them flat.


You realize "progress" is one of those politically charged phrases like "family values", right?

You're not opposed to family values, are you?

Anyway, 99% of this discussion seems to be liberals congratulating themselves on how tolerant and great they are while simultaneously dishing out vitriol against vast swathes of people.
 
2014-02-04 10:04:46 PM  

spamdog: ciberido: There are, of course, also people who are opposed to progress simply because they are that selfish, greedy, or evil: the appropriate strategy for them is to stomp them flat.

You realize "progress" is one of those politically charged phrases like "family values", right?

You're not opposed to family values, are you?

Anyway, 99% of this discussion seems to be liberals congratulating themselves on how tolerant and great they are while simultaneously dishing out vitriol against vast swathes of people.


You have the statistical analysis to back that up, Adolf?
 
2014-02-04 10:05:09 PM  

spamdog: ciberido: There are, of course, also people who are opposed to progress simply because they are that selfish, greedy, or evil: the appropriate strategy for them is to stomp them flat.

You realize "progress" is one of those politically charged phrases like "family values", right?

You're not opposed to family values, are you?

Anyway, 99% of this discussion seems to be liberals congratulating themselves on how tolerant and great they are while simultaneously dishing out vitriol against vast swathes of people.


Progress is the improvement of humanity. The Progressive movement was and is based on the idea that modern science, technology and ideas can make the individual and society as a whole better. It is politically charged to regressive people who want to base society on the past. Particularly those who would base it on Bronze Age morality and technology.
 
2014-02-04 10:05:48 PM  

spamdog: Anyway, 99% of this discussion seems to be liberals congratulating themselves on how tolerant and great they are while simultaneously dishing out vitriol against vast swathes of people.


Ah the old cop-out word "seems," which allows you to make any generalization without having to back it up with actual evidence.
 
2014-02-04 10:09:52 PM  
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2014-02-04 10:10:47 PM  

spamdog: ciberido: There are, of course, also people who are opposed to progress simply because they are that selfish, greedy, or evil: the appropriate strategy for them is to stomp them flat.

You realize "progress" is one of those politically charged phrases like "family values", right?


Yes, for the last time, I do understand that not everyone agrees with me.  Please stop repeating yourself.
 
2014-02-04 10:15:23 PM  

rebelyell2006: The Progressive movement was and is based on the idea that modern science, technology and ideas can make the individual and society as a whole better. It is politically charged to regressive people who want to base society on the past. Particularly those who would base it on Bronze Age morality and technology.


That's a great spiel, it really is. However in practice what it means is just being a Democratic voter and watching Jon Stewart. The Democratic party only behaves as progressively as necessary in order to stop people from burning down the Capitol building.

Like I was saying, it's all just puffery.
 
2014-02-04 10:16:34 PM  

ciberido: Yes, for the last time, I do understand that not everyone agrees with me. Please stop repeating yourself.


That's not the point I'm making.

The point I'm making is that you are not as unquestionably good as you think you are, and those you deride are not so terribly evil.
 
2014-02-04 10:17:43 PM  

ricbach229: Ant: ricbach229: Am I the only one that thought it was just a bad commercial on it's own?  The product wasn't pitched and it was just a long multicultural sing a long without context.

The product is sugary carbonated water with flavoring. There's not much to say about the actual product. All pop/soda commercials are stupid and nonsensical.

Sort of agree, maybe.. Mt Dew actually connects their caffeinated product pretty well to making your fat ass want to do X Games stuff, kind of like Red Bull.  Dr. Pepper is doing the mountain man thing but at least their saying "Drink this diet drink and you'll still be a rugged man like this guy" so they are trying to pitch the product (diet drinks) to a non diet drinking audience (men who tend to hate diet everything).

Coke's commercial was different, it basically said "Drink this because all cultures are equal in America".  Without totally diving into the rabbit hole, that logic is flawed.  Some cultures don't work as well as others, it's obvious when you look at the world that some countries are basket cases.  When you see the people who refuse to pick up the native language it's the most outward symbol of rejecting any effort to integrate into the melting pot of America. The melting pot only works if people try to integrate and pick up the better social values we offer while keeping the better social values they have, a sort of social values Darwinism.  When a person or group push off the broader American culture it creates enclaves like the barrios and Chinatowns where immigrants aren't able to avail themselves of the broader opportunities because they've transplanted their home culture as wholly as possible and isolated themselves from the opportunities.


You say that like Chinatowns, barrios, and Little Italies were voluntary.  You might want to look at America's ugly little history of not letting Those People (whoever they might be for the area and time) buy property and start businesses in Our Neighborhoods.
 
2014-02-04 10:18:30 PM  

spamdog: ciberido: Yes, for the last time, I do understand that not everyone agrees with me. Please stop repeating yourself.

That's not the point I'm making.

The point I'm making is that you are not as unquestionably good as you think you are, and those you deride are not so terribly evil.


That doesn't deserve being dignified as a "point" - it's essentially just you, doing this:
i18.photobucket.com
 
2014-02-04 10:19:57 PM  
Why doesnt everyone get along.. Thats the point..

Go and get IRN-BRU.. pretty sure non Scottish people might hate/like it, majority of Scot's like it

But we dont shove it down your throat...

If someone wants to put an advert including all the folks/religions/races that are in the big old USA. FIRE IN..

/pissed off that someone cant put an great advert out there, that should make everyone think "come together" but no...
//is actually watching MegaFactories: Coca-Cola...
 
2014-02-04 10:23:42 PM  

Need_MindBleach: Counterpoint: it's "Out of many, one." Not "Out of many, many."

Nations that consist of various groups each forming their own little language communities have citizens with little in common with each other and tend to fall to pieces. 100 years ago, we had even more immigrants than we do today, but those immigrants were expected to learn the language, and they did. You shouldn't celebrate the balkanization of your own country.


You might be interested to know that the US Citizenship exams are administered in English, unless you're an oldster when you take it (50+)--So a freshly minted citizen is pretty much going to be at least conversant in English.  Recent arrivals still on the citizenship waiting list may not have their shiat together yet.
 
2014-02-04 10:33:23 PM  

TheShavingofOccam123: RexTalionis: brap: That said, I'm a also not ready to start championing international carbonated corn sugar water as the harbinger of global understanding either.

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 500x341]

Oh come on. The hell with world peace through soda. Spice it up with some Nazi-developed, world-domination uber soda




Fanta originated as a result of difficulties importing Coca-Cola syrup into Nazi Germany during World War II due to a trade embargo. To circumvent this, Max Keith, the head of Coca-Cola Deutschland (Coca-Cola GmbH) during the Second World War, decided to create a new product for the German market, using only ingredients available in Germany at the time, including whey and pomace - the "leftovers of leftovers", as Keith later recalled. The name was the result of a brief brainstorming session, which started with Keith exhorting his team to "use their imagination" ("Fantasie" in German), to which one of his salesmen, Joe Knipp, immediately retorted "Fanta!"

While the plant was effectively cut off from Coca Cola headquarters during the war, plant management did not join the Nazi Party. After the war, the Coca Cola corporation regained control of the plant, formula and the trademarks to the new Fanta product - as well as the plant profits made during the war.


I'm not buying it. Germans invented 'urnge drink? How is it a country of whitey whites invented an 'urnge drink that is the mainstay of the African American "fruit" intake?
 
2014-02-04 10:34:01 PM  

wiredroach: TV's Vinnie: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haddon_Sundblom

Yeah, not so much:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Nast

[upload.wikimedia.org image 456x630]


Okay, my dear Mister someoneiswrongontheinternet.jpg,

THAT, is the Santa as depicted by Thomas Nast in the 1800's. The MODERN Santa that we all know from the suit and hat was designed by Haddon Sunblom for the Coca Cola company as a way to promote sales during the non-Summer months. The campaign became so popular that the modern image stuck in the consciousness of most people. Kind of like the way people remember the Rankin-Bass version of Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer than the Jam Handy version.

KNOW YOUR SANTAS:

blog.timesunion.com thenewroalddahl.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-02-04 10:34:44 PM  
Does Chick-Fil-A serve coke?
 
2014-02-04 10:42:15 PM  

spamdog: rebelyell2006: The Progressive movement was and is based on the idea that modern science, technology and ideas can make the individual and society as a whole better. It is politically charged to regressive people who want to base society on the past. Particularly those who would base it on Bronze Age morality and technology.

That's a great spiel, it really is. However in practice what it means is just being a Democratic voter and watching Jon Stewart. The Democratic party only behaves as progressively as necessary in order to stop people from burning down the Capitol building.

Like I was saying, it's all just puffery.


What does your odd statement about John Stewart have to do with the history and reality of the Progressive movement?
 
2014-02-04 10:46:55 PM  

ciberido: HAMMERTOE: So, "e" in Latin translates to "out of"? I had figured it just meant "from".

There isn't a one-to-one translation of "e" from Latin into English.  But both "from" and "out of" are reasonable translations most of the time.

In general, you can't reasonably expect that a preposition in one language will exactly match a preposition in a completely different language the same way you might reasonably expect there to be one and only one word for "water."  Languages just don't work that way.  For that matter, even words for the most basic things like "water" may surprise you.


These variations in connotation and nuances of meaning are a good argument in favor of monolingual culture. The same law, bill or political speech will never mean exactly the same thing once it's been translated from one language to another.
 
2014-02-04 10:55:06 PM  
To all the Coca-Cola Super Bowl ad haters aghast at the notion of using a foreign language to express the idea of togetherness, I have only three words for you: e pluribus unum

So, since we allow other languages with the stipulation that they must first be dead, is this the new immigration policy you are championing, subby?  Because that seems to be exactly what you are saying.
 
2014-02-04 10:58:55 PM  

TV's Vinnie: wiredroach: TV's Vinnie: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haddon_Sundblom

Yeah, not so much:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Nast

[upload.wikimedia.org image 456x630]

Okay, my dear Mister someoneiswrongontheinternet.jpg,

THAT, is the Santa as depicted by Thomas Nast in the 1800's. The MODERN Santa that we all know from the suit and hat was designed by Haddon Sunblom for the Coca Cola company as a way to promote sales during the non-Summer months. The campaign became so popular that the modern image stuck in the consciousness of most people. Kind of like the way people remember the Rankin-Bass version of Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer than the Jam Handy version.

KNOW YOUR SANTAS:

 


I prefer the Germanic making his rounds with the Krampus version of ole St Nick.
 
2014-02-04 11:00:04 PM  
To all the Coca-Cola Super Bowl ad haters aghast at the notion of using a foreign language to express the idea of togetherness, I have only three words for you: omelette du fromage.
 
2014-02-04 11:01:25 PM  

Molavian: To all the Coca-Cola Super Bowl ad haters aghast at the notion of using a foreign language to express the idea of togetherness, I have only three words for you: omelette du fromage.


And may I add: Chinga tu Madre.
 
2014-02-04 11:01:35 PM  

TV's Vinnie: he MODERN Santa that we all know from the suit and hat was designed by Haddon Sunblom for the Coca Cola company as a way to promote sales during the non-Summer months.


And no it wasn't. Haven't you ever seen Snopes?
 
2014-02-04 11:02:46 PM  
 
2014-02-04 11:04:22 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: TV's Vinnie: he MODERN Santa that we all know from the suit and hat was designed by Haddon Sunblom for the Coca Cola company as a way to promote sales during the non-Summer months.

And no it wasn't. Haven't you ever seen Snopes?


They don't trust Snopes, either.
 
2014-02-04 11:06:45 PM  

lordjupiter: cameroncrazy1984: TV's Vinnie: he MODERN Santa that we all know from the suit and hat was designed by Haddon Sunblom for the Coca Cola company as a way to promote sales during the non-Summer months.

And no it wasn't. Haven't you ever seen Snopes?

They don't trust Snopes, either.


Oh right, I forgot those types don't trust any source that doesn't confirm their pre-conceived beliefs.
 
2014-02-04 11:09:13 PM  

buzzcut73: And one of those languages was a native language that dates back to well before our white asses got here.
Damn foreigners!


Christ, this.

Yeah it was a stupid ad but dammit, it was stuff I LIKE about this country, that I'm proud of. Cept for the aforementioned and included Native Americans, we're a goddamn nation of immigrants. And we're better for it. I'm the granddaughter of 4 immigrants, and my family retains those traditions while weaving in new ones. That's freaking awesome.

And this outrages people.

I don't get it.

I just don't.


"You think I don't take diversity seriously? Only a fool doesn't. Diversity is the engine that drives this country. We are an immigrant nation! The first generation works their fingers to the bone making things, the next generation goes to college and innovates new ideas, the third generation... snowboards and takes improv classes. We always need people who are pulling themselves up by their bootstraps. I did it. And it's my job to help others do it, too."

-Jack Donaghy, noted liberal television character
 
2014-02-04 11:09:58 PM  

redsquid: mbillips: redsquid: The words you speak are not your culture- the ideas behind them are. If you want to see how well two separate languages in the same society works out just look at Florida. We have more social insularity than anywhere else I've ever lived. There is very little overlap between Spanish speakers and English speakers outside of basic economic exchanges. This has lead to resentment and an 'us and them' attitude on both sides of the language divide.
Of course a divided group is easier to control. By pandering to the separate cultural groups, our politicians have played us off of one another very well. This has left our state in a shambles. It is not our only problem but it is a big one with no easy solution.
A common language is the broth of our American cultural stew.

Second-generation immigrants speak crappy Spanish. Third-generation immigrants speak no Spanish at all. This is as true in Florida and California as anywhere else.


My point is that language is not a cultural artifact- it's a tool for living with other people and interacting in society. Celebrate your culture- throw quicenieras, dive off the sponge docks for the epiphany cross, gather together to drink kava or chew betel nuts and keep making all the great food- but accept the culture of your new home, also. Come here to be an American, not just a resident of a miniature version of whatever you left behind.


Why not both.jpg
 
2014-02-04 11:12:59 PM  

The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: Need_MindBleach: Counterpoint: it's "Out of many, one." Not "Out of many, many."

Nations that consist of various groups each forming their own little language communities have citizens with little in common with each other and tend to fall to pieces. 100 years ago, we had even more immigrants than we do today, but those immigrants were expected to learn the language, and they did. You shouldn't celebrate the balkanization of your own country.

This is a rather amusing concern troll.


I don't think you understand what that term means.
 
2014-02-04 11:14:04 PM  

Need_MindBleach: The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: Need_MindBleach: Counterpoint: it's "Out of many, one." Not "Out of many, many."

Nations that consist of various groups each forming their own little language communities have citizens with little in common with each other and tend to fall to pieces. 100 years ago, we had even more immigrants than we do today, but those immigrants were expected to learn the language, and they did. You shouldn't celebrate the balkanization of your own country.

This is a rather amusing concern troll.

I don't think you understand what that term means.


Oh no, he was right. You're feigning concern.
 
2014-02-04 11:17:56 PM  
I'm gonna make BILLIONS off of bigots!
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2014-02-04 11:29:14 PM  

Molavian: To all the Coca-Cola Super Bowl ad haters aghast at the notion of using a foreign language to express the idea of togetherness, I have only three words for you: omelette du fromage.

menage a trois.
 
2014-02-04 11:32:48 PM  

2chris2: Latin is not a foreign language, it is the basis of a large portion of the english language.


Yes, but first and foremost, English is a Germanic language.
 
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