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(Economist)   The leading cause of death for death row inmates? Old age   (economist.com) divider line 42
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2014-02-04 01:26:09 PM  
I'm waiting in my cold cell, when the bell begins to chime.
Reflecting on my past life and it doesn't have much time.
'Cause at 5 o'clock they take me to the Gallows Pole,
The sands of time for me are running looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow.
 
2014-02-04 01:43:51 PM  
America: The land where people don't trust the government to competently administer a health insurance plan, but happily grant them the power to execute citizens.
 
2014-02-04 02:10:02 PM  
How dare they die before the state gets a chance to?
 
2014-02-04 02:15:22 PM  

gopher321: How dare they die before the state gets a chance to?


Kill them, that is.
 
2014-02-04 02:33:41 PM  
Cheating the hangman.

You know, with all the expense it takes to house them, and all the automatic appeals on a death sentence, it would probably be cheaper to put these people up at the Waldorf Astoria.
 
2014-02-04 02:34:38 PM  

Eddie Adams from Torrance: America: The land where people don't trust the government to competently administer a health insurance plan, but happily grant them the power to execute citizens.


And there you are.
 
2014-02-04 02:34:49 PM  
daily-beat.com

What death row may look like.
 
2014-02-04 02:34:50 PM  
and ...

www.freedomsphoenix.com
 
2014-02-04 02:36:01 PM  

Eddie Adams from Torrance: but happily grant them the power to execute citizens.


there is nothing wrong with executing a criminal that committed a crime bad enough to warrant the sentence.  Some people don't deserve to live.

and the fact that so many on death row never get executed should bring you at least SOME faith in humanity - we don't treat it casually.
 
2014-02-04 02:37:41 PM  
If it wasn't for Bonzai Bob, there'd be no reasonable argument for the death penalty at all.

http://www.azcentral.com/specials/special32/articles/06250622EXEvick er s-ON.html

Even then, this guy entered the prison system when he was 17. He was mentally ill, had seizures and other health problems that hindered his ability to function.

He was on death row for murdering a fellow prisoner when he murdered another fellow prisoner. Interestingly, his original murder conviction was overturned by the courts. He might have gone free if he hadn't burned that second prisoner to death.
 
2014-02-04 02:37:55 PM  

Mell of a Hess: Cheating the hangman.


You know what they say... No noose is good news.
 
2014-02-04 02:38:27 PM  
This is why capital punishment is not a disincentive against crime.
 
2014-02-04 02:44:25 PM  

uncoveror: This is why capital punishment is not a disincentive against crime.


It was never a disincentive (it can be a great bargaining chip for prosecutors though). The purpose is to literally take out the trash.
 
2014-02-04 02:47:48 PM  
Old age. Yes, it is cruel. But it is not unusual. Totally constitutional and in accordance with the Bill of Rights.

This is why I'm against the death penalty. It let's the real baddies off the hook. And it prevents law students from saving the innocent from the prejudice and errors of the courts, police, and DAs that are standing (their ground) for re-election. I don't believe in letting God sort them out. That's the job of the courts.

Bullets never admit a mistake, they never forgive, they never set you free except in rare cases where they set you free from what ails you. But prisons sometimes open their doors to let men and women out, even if it is sometimes the wrong men and women, like Lord Conrad Black of Blackharbour, or Martha Stewart, both of whom they could very well have kept for all I care.
 
2014-02-04 02:50:43 PM  
It's the best way to deal with ambivalence about the death penalty in this country.  Give it as a sentence, but don't carry it out.
 
2014-02-04 02:51:17 PM  

frepnog: Eddie Adams from Torrance: but happily grant them the power to execute citizens.

there is nothing wrong with executing a criminal that committed a crime bad enough to warrant the sentence.  Some people don't deserve to live.

and the fact that so many on death row never get executed should bring you at least SOME faith in humanity - we don't treat it casually.


Yeah, but there is such a thing as too casual.  In my view, if we are going to have the death sentence, then it should be carried out immediately.  And if possible, the people closest to the victim should be allowed to pull the trigger.
This nonsense with having someone wait 10, 20, 30 years, until no one even cares about the crime, just doesn't make any sense.  Hell, in that one recent case, the guy spent so much time waiting for execution that he was pretty well rehabilitated.  That was unbeleiveably stupid.
 
2014-02-04 02:58:21 PM  

durbnpoisn: In my view, if we are going to have the death sentence, then it should be carried out immediately. And if possible, the people closest to the victim should be allowed to pull the trigger.
This nonsense with having someone wait 10, 20, 30 years, until no one even cares about the crime, just doesn't make any sense. Hell, in that one recent case, the guy spent so much time waiting for execution that he was pretty well rehabilitated.


the American justice system is not about rehabilitation.  It is about punishment.

It is why our legal system and prison system suck so hard.  They don't GIVE A shiat about rehabilitating prisoners.  PUNISH THE GUILTY.
 
2014-02-04 03:03:49 PM  

Eddie Adams from Torrance: America: The land where people don't trust the government to competently administer a health insurance plan, but happily grant them the power to execute citizens.



A consistent libertarian would argue that government shouldn't be permitted do either.

/ your example suggests an equivalence between murderers and average citizens, which may be consistent in the view of a statist
 
2014-02-04 03:07:58 PM  

frepnog: durbnpoisn: In my view, if we are going to have the death sentence, then it should be carried out immediately. And if possible, the people closest to the victim should be allowed to pull the trigger.
This nonsense with having someone wait 10, 20, 30 years, until no one even cares about the crime, just doesn't make any sense. Hell, in that one recent case, the guy spent so much time waiting for execution that he was pretty well rehabilitated.

the American justice system is not about rehabilitation.  It is about punishment.

It is why our legal system and prison system suck so hard.  They don't GIVE A shiat about rehabilitating prisoners.  PUNISH THE GUILTY.


I think its about telling poor people to leave rich people alone.

Poor on Poor crime...unpunished.
Rich on Poor crime...unpunished.
Poor on Rich crime...PUNISHED TO THE FULLEST EXTENT OF THE LAW

/I would love to calculate the average annual income and wealth of executed prisoners. I think they call it "inverse" or "indirect" relationship.
 
2014-02-04 03:08:57 PM  

madgonad: The purpose is to literally take out the trash.


literally taking out the trash is physically moving real garbage from indoors to outdoors.
 
2014-02-04 03:09:59 PM  
...and oh lord, the Green Mile is so long...
 
2014-02-04 03:12:44 PM  

Eddie Adams from Torrance: America: The land where people don't trust the government to competently administer a health insurance plan, but happily grant them the power to execute citizens.



Having both the Grim Reaper and Father Time on a death panel seems a bit overkill.  So to speak.
 
2014-02-04 03:28:53 PM  

Eddie Adams from Torrance: America: The land where people don't trust the government to competently administer a health insurance plan, but happily grant them the power to execute citizens.


Except that people didn't "grant" the power of the death penalty so much as the government had that power at its inception, and before, since colonialism. And the health care thing is a more recent issue. So your pithy soundbite would be a lot more accurately worded as -

"America, where people under a government which reserves the right to kill them demand that government also be in charge of everyone's health care."
 
2014-02-04 03:34:15 PM  
i.imgur.com

Not only is the government too flawed to ever be allowed to kill it's own people, but death is the easy way out. Why give these people the sweet release of nothingness? They have eternity for that! In the mean time, try to stretch out how long they get to sit in a cage for as long as possible.
 
2014-02-04 03:36:00 PM  

frepnog: Eddie Adams from Torrance: but happily grant them the power to execute citizens.

there is nothing wrong with executing a criminal that committed a crime bad enough to warrant the sentence.  Some people don't deserve to live.

and the fact that so many on death row never get executed should bring you at least SOME faith in humanity - we don't treat it casually.


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2014-02-04 03:38:37 PM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: Except that people didn't "grant" the power of the death penalty so much as the government had that power at its inception


 the government  of the peopleby the people  you mean?
 
2014-02-04 03:52:53 PM  
Maybe they should have started their crime spree a bit sooner.
www.guns.com
 
2014-02-04 04:00:19 PM  

frepnog: durbnpoisn: In my view, if we are going to have the death sentence, then it should be carried out immediately. And if possible, the people closest to the victim should be allowed to pull the trigger.
This nonsense with having someone wait 10, 20, 30 years, until no one even cares about the crime, just doesn't make any sense. Hell, in that one recent case, the guy spent so much time waiting for execution that he was pretty well rehabilitated.

the American justice system is not about rehabilitation.  It is about punishment.

It is why our legal system and prison system suck so hard.  They don't GIVE A shiat about rehabilitating prisoners.  PUNISH THE GUILTY.



"Have him fully recovered in time for his execution"
www.bestcareanywhere.net
 
2014-02-04 04:01:56 PM  
25.media.tumblr.com
 
2014-02-04 04:05:16 PM  
Is the fail tag busy setting up free medical care for capital felons?
 
2014-02-04 04:06:13 PM  
Unlike the innocents whose lives they have taken.
 
2014-02-04 04:10:34 PM  
And we're serious about ridding ourselves of brutal murderers, kidnappers, and rapists, shouldn't we just dress them in jeans and a hoodie and let let walk past a cop car with a butter knife?
 
2014-02-04 04:50:35 PM  
 Even the most enthusiastic advocates of capital punishment know that such a miscarriage of justice would undermine their cause.

This is slightly naïve, giving some of the more extreme proponents of capital punishment credit for nuance of thought that they simply do not possess. No doubt the majority of them are on the right side of the argument in terms of wanting only the guilty to be executed, but there is a not insignificant part of that demographic who are not as uncomfortable with the idea of getting it wrong occasionally in the service of the "greater good". I'm not being nasty or overly cynical, I've heard people essentially make that argument.
 
2014-02-04 04:55:25 PM  

TomD9938: Eddie Adams from Torrance: America: The land where people don't trust the government to competently administer a health insurance plan, but happily grant them the power to execute citizens.


A consistent libertarian would argue that government shouldn't be permitted do either.

/ your example suggests an equivalence between murderers and average citizens, which may be consistent in the view of a statist


And that consistent libertarian would also consistently have no coherent alternative to either, just more abstract libertarian babble.
 
2014-02-04 05:18:09 PM  

doctor wu: TomD9938: Eddie Adams from Torrance: America: The land where people don't trust the government to competently administer a health insurance plan, but happily grant them the power to execute citizens.


A consistent libertarian would argue that government shouldn't be permitted do either.

/ your example suggests an equivalence between murderers and average citizens, which may be consistent in the view of a statist

And that consistent libertarian would also consistently have no coherent alternative to either, just more abstract libertarian babble.



No death penalty and insurance (health or otherwise) paid for by the individual / family, with a safety net remaining in place for the destitute.
 
2014-02-04 05:40:34 PM  

frepnog: and the fact that so many on death row never get executed should bring you at least SOME faith in humanity - we don't treat it casually.


Would you rather die, or spend 23 hours a day in solitary for 40 years? Live or die, it is cruel and unusual punishment and absolutely barbaric.
 
2014-02-04 07:18:54 PM  

frepnog: durbnpoisn: In my view, if we are going to have the death sentence, then it should be carried out immediately. And if possible, the people closest to the victim should be allowed to pull the trigger.
This nonsense with having someone wait 10, 20, 30 years, until no one even cares about the crime, just doesn't make any sense. Hell, in that one recent case, the guy spent so much time waiting for execution that he was pretty well rehabilitated.

the American justice system is not about rehabilitation.  It is about punishment.

It is why our legal system and prison system suck so hard.  They don't GIVE A shiat about rehabilitating prisoners.  PUNISH THE GUILTY.


not a popular opinion around here, but I don't think child molesting murderers can be rehabilitated.
they are sick defective monkeys that deserve nothing more than a quick killing.

I'd rather spend the money that would be used to incarcerate and feed them on poor and hungry children.
 
2014-02-04 07:20:29 PM  

That Guy Jeff: [i.imgur.com image 288x288]

Not only is the government too flawed to ever be allowed to kill it's own people, but death is the easy way out. Why give these people the sweet release of nothingness? They have eternity for that! In the mean time, try to stretch out how long they get to sit in a cage for as long as possible.


our government says they cannot afford to feed the poor.

you would feed child molesters instead of hungry children?
 
2014-02-04 07:21:21 PM  

Dragonflew: frepnog: and the fact that so many on death row never get executed should bring you at least SOME faith in humanity - we don't treat it casually.

Would you rather die, or spend 23 hours a day in solitary for 40 years? Live or die, it is cruel and unusual punishment and absolutely barbaric.


don't forget, they earned it.
 
2014-02-04 07:30:32 PM  
...but it's still OK to kill defenseless babies who haven't committed a crime, right? God bless Amerika!!!
 
2014-02-04 07:32:05 PM  
...and good thing it isn't by the gubmint but by a doctor who isn't ethically bound to preserve life.  That would be morbid.
 
2014-02-05 04:57:34 AM  

Popular Opinion: That Guy Jeff: [i.imgur.com image 288x288]

Not only is the government too flawed to ever be allowed to kill it's own people, but death is the easy way out. Why give these people the sweet release of nothingness? They have eternity for that! In the mean time, try to stretch out how long they get to sit in a cage for as long as possible.

our government says they cannot afford to feed the poor.

you would feed child molesters instead of hungry children?


why the hell would I want to feed the poor? I would much rather spend the money punishing those who deserve it than giving it away to those who don't. Hell, the cool thing about scum in a cage is they can't reproduce; poor people keep farking like rabbits so you give them food and soon they need more and more and more.
 
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