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(Komo)   What do you call a Seattle cop with 120 complaints against him? Deputy. What about 121? Fired   (komonews.com) divider line 66
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2014-02-04 11:10:08 AM
Well, he did rack up 240 weeks of paid administrative leave...
 
2014-02-04 11:11:28 AM
We had some 17 year old kid come and try to steal stuff the other day. His mom called later to complain about how he got caught.

I'm not saying all complaints against cops are like that; but, many are. Especially if the officer has to forcibly detain someone.
 
2014-02-04 11:11:42 AM
Whatever. Im sure its of little consolation to all the people he farked over before they finally fired him.
 
2014-02-04 11:14:05 AM

The more you eat the more you fart: Whatever. Im sure its of little consolation to all the people he farked over before they finally fired him.


Actually, it is of some consolation.  Try making better points next time.
 
2014-02-04 11:14:15 AM
Based on the last two incidents described he'll be a breath of fresh air in LA.
 
Ant
2014-02-04 11:15:06 AM
In that incident, Saulet allegedly threatened to arrest the driver and his pregnant wife and told them he could "take away your daughter," according to the sheriff's office.

He threatened to kidnap someone's daughter, and all he got was a demotion? WTF?
 
2014-02-04 11:15:39 AM

Superjew: The more you eat the more you fart: Whatever. Im sure its of little consolation to all the people he farked over before they finally fired him.

Actually, it is of some consolation.  Try making better points next time.


Why? Are they going to get compensated? Are they going to get the money back that they paid in fines, etc?
 
2014-02-04 11:16:15 AM
At some point you find out, no matter how productive you are, Legal and HR are going to get together and decide another trip to Diversity Training just isn't going to help.
 
2014-02-04 11:17:16 AM
However imperfect, I'm happy about this story. A bad cop's deeds are documented and then he's fired? And the final straw was his harassing a reporter who was exercising his rights to photograph stuff in public? This is all very good. More please.
 
2014-02-04 11:21:04 AM
Cops need a Three Strikes rule. One strike if that one involves something egregious like harming an innocent or unarmed person or shooting someone's dog, etc.

More severe penalties for cops who go too far would get us better cops.
 
2014-02-04 11:21:34 AM
No policing while black comments?
 
2014-02-04 11:24:19 AM
Only reason he got turfed was because the threat was on tape.
 
2014-02-04 11:24:51 AM
Sir -- you can never go wrong using sir when addressing a cop, unless the cop is a woman, then its Sugar Tits.
 
2014-02-04 11:27:16 AM

iheartscotch: We had some 17 year old kid come and try to steal stuff the other day. His mom called later to complain about how he got caught.

I'm not saying all complaints against cops are like that; but, many are. Especially if the officer has to forcibly detain someone.


The next highest number of complaints was 23

This guy had nearly 100 more complaints than the next worst officer. He also threatened to take a family's daughter away when they accidentally drove into a restricted highway zone. F*ck this guy.
 
2014-02-04 11:28:09 AM
He might lose health care.
 
2014-02-04 11:29:35 AM
Fired by the county but hired by the city in 3...2...1...
 
2014-02-04 11:30:15 AM

Inchoate: However imperfect, I'm happy about this story. A bad cop's deeds are documented and then he's fired? And the final straw was his harassing a reporter who was exercising his rights to photograph stuff in public? This is all very good. More please.


Yeah, really. The guy went through a progressive disciplinary process, including a demotion (at a guess, a $5000-$8000/year base pay rip), where his misdeeds were documented properly. He was finally fired. Not much here to get in a lather about.
 
2014-02-04 11:31:36 AM

The more you eat the more you fart: Superjew: The more you eat the more you fart: Whatever. Im sure its of little consolation to all the people he farked over before they finally fired him.

Actually, it is of some consolation.  Try making better points next time.

Why? Are they going to get compensated? Are they going to get the money back that they paid in fines, etc?


No jackass, they're getting the satisfaction of seeing this piece of shiat kicked off the force.

I know people who have had run-ins with Saulet, and they're happy to see this outcome, even if it is late in coming.
 
2014-02-04 11:33:06 AM

lizyrd

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2014-02-04 11:30:15 AM
Inchoate: However imperfect, I'm happy about this story. A bad cop's deeds are documented and then he's fired? And the final straw was his harassing a reporter who was exercising his rights to photograph stuff in public? This is all very good. More please.


Yeah, really. The guy went through a progressive disciplinary process, including a demotion (at a guess, a $5000-$8000/year base pay rip), where his misdeeds were documented properly. He was finally fired. Not much here to get in a lather about.


but if I don't lather how am I going to rinse and repeat? HOW!!!??!??
 
2014-02-04 11:33:12 AM
RESPECT MY AUTHORITAH!
 
2014-02-04 11:34:07 AM
FOP to file suit in 3, 2, 1...

The FOP and the Catholic Church protect their own too much.
 
2014-02-04 11:34:39 AM

lizyrd: Inchoate: However imperfect, I'm happy about this story. A bad cop's deeds are documented and then he's fired? And the final straw was his harassing a reporter who was exercising his rights to photograph stuff in public? This is all very good. More please.

Yeah, really. The guy went through a progressive disciplinary process, including a demotion (at a guess, a $5000-$8000/year base pay rip), where his misdeeds were documented properly. He was finally fired. Not much here to get in a lather about.


Well, I'd say the bigger issue here is why an officer who had 120 disciplinary complaints against him (compared to the next highest at 23) wasn't fired earlier. It's nice that he finally got fired, but it's a sign of some big problems at the Department that the thing that finally got him fired was a  very public threat against a reporter, not all the private but documented misdeeds he'd done before.
 
2014-02-04 11:35:19 AM

iheartscotch: We had some 17 year old kid come and try to steal stuff the other day. His mom called later to complain about how he got caught.

I'm not saying all complaints against cops are like that; but, many are. Especially if the officer has to forcibly detain someone.


I'll apply the exact same logic a cop would apply to me ; "Where there's smoke, there's fire."
 
2014-02-04 11:36:17 AM
If Seattle is anything like Philly, this cop will go to an arbitrator paid for by the Seattle PD who will then reinstate him to his old position.
 
2014-02-04 11:38:27 AM

iheartscotch: We had some 17 year old kid come and try to steal stuff the other day. His mom called later to complain about how he got caught.

I'm not saying all complaints against cops are like that; but, many are. Especially if the officer has to forcibly detain someone.


Years ago I worked with a guy that got fired for stealing, they had him on video doing it. His mom called up biatching about how what we did was illegal, he should have gotten a warning and she was going to sue. They asked her who was her lawyer so they could send them the video.
 
2014-02-04 11:38:53 AM
Well, ya gotta draw a line somewhere.
 
2014-02-04 11:41:21 AM
It's the few bad apples like this who make life easier for the average power tripping cop.
 
2014-02-04 11:44:17 AM
groppet: Years ago I worked with a guy that got fired for stealing, they had him on video doing it.

Was he stealing boxes on his day off?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eL8gX-NMUpM
 
2014-02-04 11:48:15 AM
Saulet's actions in dealing with Holden played into "some of the most basic fears among some citizens, which is that a police officer may indiscriminately exercise his or her personal power in violation of their rights."

99% problems.
 
2014-02-04 11:48:51 AM
And nothing of value was lost. Enjoy your new job as a mall cop or security for some HOA.

.
 
2014-02-04 11:51:06 AM

Marcus Aurelius: If Seattle is anything like Philly, this cop will go to an arbitrator paid for by the Seattle PD who will then reinstate him to his old position.


This happens to Illinois, and not just for the cops.  Workers who lie on their resumes, get felony convictions, harass/abuse fellow employees or the public, can get reinstated with retroactive pay and promotions as if they weren't terminated, with interest.
 
Ant
2014-02-04 11:55:15 AM

Brick-House: Sir -- you can never go wrong using sir when addressing a cop, unless the cop is a woman, then its Sugar Tits.


I am physically incapable of calling anyone sir. If I did try to call someone sir, it would come out snarky and insincere.
 
2014-02-04 11:58:48 AM

Fark It: Marcus Aurelius: If Seattle is anything like Philly, this cop will go to an arbitrator paid for by the Seattle PD who will then reinstate him to his old position.

This happens to Illinois, and not just for the cops.  Workers who lie on their resumes, get felony convictions, harass/abuse fellow employees or the public, can get reinstated with retroactive pay and promotions as if they weren't terminated, with interest.


Ah. But be the straight arrow, and it's "get screwed by the crook now, get apologized to never", I'm sure.
 
2014-02-04 11:59:08 AM

Ant: Brick-House: Sir -- you can never go wrong using sir when addressing a cop, unless the cop is a woman, then its Sugar Tits.

I am physically incapable of calling anyone sir. If I did try to call someone sir, it would come out snarky and insincere.


That's why  Brick-House is wrong; you call a police officer "Officer" if you want to be safe.
 
2014-02-04 12:00:28 PM
So the cop with the next highest number of complaints at 23 can get away with about 90 more before they fire him too?

If the average # of complaints is 20 (give or take) and this guy has 120, I'd say the problem is pretty obvious.
 
2014-02-04 12:00:38 PM

LessO2: Only reason he got turfed was because the threat was on tape.


I am shocked, SHOCKED, that the pigs never confiscated said tape and then somehow lost, erased or destroyed it.

If this POS was working at any other job, he would have been fired after the first few complaints...
 
2014-02-04 12:02:15 PM
And it only took them the better part of a year to get that unpredictable freak kicked off the force.
 
2014-02-04 12:03:53 PM
So 120x, his fellow JBT's were willing to help him cover up his threats, lies and violence.

I'm shocked, shocked I tell you.
 
2014-02-04 12:25:14 PM
"Suffice it to say, in my judgement, the evidence shows that (i) you abused your authority in your dealings with Mr. Holden on July 30, and (ii) thereafter, rather than be accountable, you attempted to recast events in a light more favorable to you," Urquhart said in his letter to Saulet.

/Hmm...sounds like most politicians.
 
2014-02-04 12:32:27 PM
Even a little power is too much for some people.
 
2014-02-04 12:36:55 PM
"...Saulet's actions in dealing with Holden played into "some of the most basic fears among some citizens, which is that a police officer may indiscriminately exercise his or her personal power in violation of their rights.""
-=-
Or did it say "Citizens fear polices officers who exercises his personal power to violate your rights"? Uh, something like that.
And to top off that fear, to threaten taking away your child is seriously bad.


And before someone says I'm down on cops, I posted a positive story about a man being saved by a cop. It was not greenlit. Maybe a bad headline.
Another story about a cop, but this one unique cop actually saved someone instead of shooting them. (So there's one.)
 
2014-02-04 12:38:00 PM

Bit'O'Gristle: "Suffice it to say, in my judgement, the evidence shows that (i) you abused your authority in your dealings with Mr. Holden on July 30, and (ii) thereafter, rather than be accountable, you attempted to recast events in a light more favorable to you," Urquhart said in his letter to Saulet.

/Hmm...sounds like most politicians.


So are you saying that most politicians would make good police officers or are you saying that most police officers would make good politicians?
 
2014-02-04 12:40:17 PM

Rincewind53: iheartscotch: We had some 17 year old kid come and try to steal stuff the other day. His mom called later to complain about how he got caught.

I'm not saying all complaints against cops are like that; but, many are. Especially if the officer has to forcibly detain someone.

The next highest number of complaints was 23

This guy had nearly 100 more complaints than the next worst officer. He also threatened to take a family's daughter away when they accidentally drove into a restricted highway zone. F*ck this guy.


I'm not saying that this guy didn't deserve it; by all accounts, he did. But, people are whiners; especially people who are in trouble with the law all the time.
 
2014-02-04 12:42:19 PM
Rincewind53:  F*ck this guy.

Yup.
 
2014-02-04 12:44:54 PM

jso2897: iheartscotch: We had some 17 year old kid come and try to steal stuff the other day. His mom called later to complain about how he got caught.

I'm not saying all complaints against cops are like that; but, many are. Especially if the officer has to forcibly detain someone.

I'll apply the exact same logic a cop would apply to me ; "Where there's smoke, there's fire."


I agree that this guy was a bad officer. I'm betting he had some friends in the mayor's office to rack up so many complaints. I am saying, however, people who get arrested often file complaints; and those complaints can follow an officer around their entire career.

/ also, if you can prove a cop stole a stick of gum when he was 5; you can bring that up in court when he's 55.
 
2014-02-04 12:47:44 PM

iheartscotch: We had some 17 year old kid come and try to steal stuff the other day. His mom called later to complain about how he got caught.

I'm not saying all complaints against cops are like that; but, many are. Especially if the officer has to forcibly detain someone.


Yeah, I'm sure a few of the complaints were BS.  But he had 120+ complaints against him.  The next highest only had 23 complaints.
 
2014-02-04 12:53:32 PM

Ker_Thwap: No policing while black comments?


Most Farkers like to pretend those things never matter.
 
2014-02-04 12:54:29 PM

Ant: Brick-House: Sir -- you can never go wrong using sir when addressing a cop, unless the cop is a woman, then its Sugar Tits.

I am mentally physically incapable of calling anyone sir. If I did try to call someone sir, it would come out snarky and insincere.


Get real.
 
2014-02-04 12:58:25 PM

Geotpf: iheartscotch: We had some 17 year old kid come and try to steal stuff the other day. His mom called later to complain about how he got caught.

I'm not saying all complaints against cops are like that; but, many are. Especially if the officer has to forcibly detain someone.

Yeah, I'm sure a few of the complaints were BS.  But he had 120+ complaints against him.  The next highest only had 23 complaints.


FTA

Prior to his latest investigation, Saulet had at least 120 complaints made against him, which Urquhart says is by far the most in the department. The next closest sergeant has 23 allegations, according to Urquhart.
More than 20 of those allegations were sustained, and Urquhart said the majority concern courtesy, use of force and conduct unbecoming.


Betcha most of those were from white people that were upset that a black man would get "uppity" with them.
 
2014-02-04 01:00:21 PM
Okay, have to say this in every 'cop gets fired' thread, because a lot of you guys are assuming he's gone.

'Fired' for a public union employee, especially a cop, does not mean anything like what it means for normal people. It means on indefinite leave without pay. There are then dozens of appeals and reviews, which can take years, and if any single one of those decides he should be back in then he's got his job back, often with full back pay for the time he missed (because then the firing was unwarranted).  The only way 'fired' means 'end of job, the end' is when he gives up on the appeal process.
 
2014-02-04 01:02:23 PM
I find it ironic that liberals love unions, but then complain that cops aren't held accountable and fired more often. Guess what stands in the way... police unions.
 
2014-02-04 01:05:27 PM

Latinwolf: Geotpf: iheartscotch: We had some 17 year old kid come and try to steal stuff the other day. His mom called later to complain about how he got caught.

I'm not saying all complaints against cops are like that; but, many are. Especially if the officer has to forcibly detain someone.

Yeah, I'm sure a few of the complaints were BS.  But he had 120+ complaints against him.  The next highest only had 23 complaints.

FTA

Prior to his latest investigation, Saulet had at least 120 complaints made against him, which Urquhart says is by far the most in the department. The next closest sergeant has 23 allegations, according to Urquhart.
More than 20 of those allegations were sustained, and Urquhart said the majority concern courtesy, use of force and conduct unbecoming.

Betcha most of those were from white people that were upset that a black man would get "uppity" with them.


If he was the only black officer on the force, you might be on to something...

If there were other black men on the force (most likely the case), how would you explain away this single officer's abnormally high number of complaints?
 
2014-02-04 01:10:02 PM

GanjSmokr: Latinwolf: Geotpf: iheartscotch: We had some 17 year old kid come and try to steal stuff the other day. His mom called later to complain about how he got caught.

I'm not saying all complaints against cops are like that; but, many are. Especially if the officer has to forcibly detain someone.

Yeah, I'm sure a few of the complaints were BS.  But he had 120+ complaints against him.  The next highest only had 23 complaints.

FTA

Prior to his latest investigation, Saulet had at least 120 complaints made against him, which Urquhart says is by far the most in the department. The next closest sergeant has 23 allegations, according to Urquhart.
More than 20 of those allegations were sustained, and Urquhart said the majority concern courtesy, use of force and conduct unbecoming.

Betcha most of those were from white people that were upset that a black man would get "uppity" with them.

If he was the only black officer on the force, you might be on to something...

If there were other black men on the force (most likely the case), how would you explain away this single officer's abnormally high number of complaints?


They've got a Union?
 
2014-02-04 01:22:14 PM

porcupine tree: I find it ironic that liberals love unions, but then complain that cops aren't held accountable and fired more often. Guess what stands in the way... police unions.


Only to a small extent. There are also PBAs and the departments themselves. Yes, police unions are part of the problem but to pretend that they are the whole problem or that police unions reflect accurately on other labor unions is wrong.

Broadway actors have a union, too, but the way that union operates is in no way analogous to the broader labor movement as it's generally understood.
 
2014-02-04 01:32:20 PM

iheartscotch: GanjSmokr: Latinwolf: Geotpf: iheartscotch: We had some 17 year old kid come and try to steal stuff the other day. His mom called later to complain about how he got caught.

I'm not saying all complaints against cops are like that; but, many are. Especially if the officer has to forcibly detain someone.

Yeah, I'm sure a few of the complaints were BS.  But he had 120+ complaints against him.  The next highest only had 23 complaints.

FTA

Prior to his latest investigation, Saulet had at least 120 complaints made against him, which Urquhart says is by far the most in the department. The next closest sergeant has 23 allegations, according to Urquhart.
More than 20 of those allegations were sustained, and Urquhart said the majority concern courtesy, use of force and conduct unbecoming.

Betcha most of those were from white people that were upset that a black man would get "uppity" with them.

If he was the only black officer on the force, you might be on to something...

If there were other black men on the force (most likely the case), how would you explain away this single officer's abnormally high number of complaints?

They've got a Union?


Wouldn't they all have that Union?  Or was this particular officer not a member of it for some reason?

I'm just saying that thinking the reason he had so many complaints was because white people thought he was being "uppity" with them is ignorant.
 
2014-02-04 02:02:10 PM

GanjSmokr: iheartscotch: GanjSmokr: Latinwolf: Geotpf: iheartscotch: We had some 17 year old kid come and try to steal stuff the other day. His mom called later to complain about how he got caught.

I'm not saying all complaints against cops are like that; but, many are. Especially if the officer has to forcibly detain someone.

Yeah, I'm sure a few of the complaints were BS.  But he had 120+ complaints against him.  The next highest only had 23 complaints.

FTA

Prior to his latest investigation, Saulet had at least 120 complaints made against him, which Urquhart says is by far the most in the department. The next closest sergeant has 23 allegations, according to Urquhart.
More than 20 of those allegations were sustained, and Urquhart said the majority concern courtesy, use of force and conduct unbecoming.

Betcha most of those were from white people that were upset that a black man would get "uppity" with them.

If he was the only black officer on the force, you might be on to something...

If there were other black men on the force (most likely the case), how would you explain away this single officer's abnormally high number of complaints?

They've got a Union?

Wouldn't they all have that Union?  Or was this particular officer not a member of it for some reason?

I'm just saying that thinking the reason he had so many complaints was because white people thought he was being "uppity" with them is ignorant.


You sound white.
 
2014-02-04 02:02:51 PM

iheartscotch: We had some 17 year old kid come and try to steal stuff the other day. His mom called later to complain about how he got caught.

I'm not saying all complaints against cops are like that; but, many are. Especially if the officer has to forcibly detain someone.


The next highest was 23, you're really going to go that route.

The fact is that  most people don't take the time to complain the just move on with a proper fear of police impunity.

Some will see this as a good thing but I see it as disgusting.  It took media attention to make the Sheriff do his job and put this POS out to pasture.

With number like that this guy was probably violating rights as SOP on a daily basis,
 
2014-02-04 02:08:32 PM

Latinwolf: GanjSmokr: iheartscotch: GanjSmokr: Latinwolf: Geotpf: iheartscotch: We had some 17 year old kid come and try to steal stuff the other day. His mom called later to complain about how he got caught.

I'm not saying all complaints against cops are like that; but, many are. Especially if the officer has to forcibly detain someone.

Yeah, I'm sure a few of the complaints were BS.  But he had 120+ complaints against him.  The next highest only had 23 complaints.

FTA

Prior to his latest investigation, Saulet had at least 120 complaints made against him, which Urquhart says is by far the most in the department. The next closest sergeant has 23 allegations, according to Urquhart.
More than 20 of those allegations were sustained, and Urquhart said the majority concern courtesy, use of force and conduct unbecoming.

Betcha most of those were from white people that were upset that a black man would get "uppity" with them.

If he was the only black officer on the force, you might be on to something...

If there were other black men on the force (most likely the case), how would you explain away this single officer's abnormally high number of complaints?

They've got a Union?

Wouldn't they all have that Union?  Or was this particular officer not a member of it for some reason?

I'm just saying that thinking the reason he had so many complaints was because white people thought he was being "uppity" with them is ignorant.

You sound white.


And you sound like you might try to find racism everywhere around you, even when there isn't any.

I bet we're both right in our assumptions about each other.
 
2014-02-04 03:00:18 PM
I bet most of the complaints were from Santiago, that pussy.
goodbyelikeabullet.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-02-04 03:30:47 PM

porcupine tree: I find it ironic that liberals love unions, but then complain that cops aren't held accountable and fired more often. Guess what stands in the way... police unions.


No. Unions do their job, which is to represent the best interest of their members. If a bad cop gets his or her job back it's because a judge or "civilian review board" or Civil Service board gives it back.
 
2014-02-04 03:48:17 PM
Not a Seattle cop! He was a King County deputy. There is a difference (I know not much but still a difference).
 
Ant
2014-02-04 03:52:11 PM

Latinwolf: Ant: Brick-House: Sir -- you can never go wrong using sir when addressing a cop, unless the cop is a woman, then its Sugar Tits.

I am mentally physically incapable of calling anyone sir. If I did try to call someone sir, it would come out snarky and insincere.

Get real.



Get a dictionary and look up hyperbole. Then look up pedantic.
 
2014-02-04 04:48:44 PM
I remember seeing the video at the time the story broke. The officer was so mouthy I remember thinking to myself 'just stop talking, just stop talking...you're on video, the wee blinking red light means the camera is on...' Someone doesn't start being that abusive and entitled. He works up to it so I'd imagine a lot didn't make it into the press.

For those who care, there's some follow up on Petapixel.
 
2014-02-04 06:09:35 PM

CruiserTwelve: porcupine tree: I find it ironic that liberals love unions, but then complain that cops aren't held accountable and fired more often. Guess what stands in the way... police unions.

No. Unions do their job, which is to represent the best interest of their members. If a bad cop gets his or her job back it's because a judge or "civilian review board" or Civil Service board gives it back.


Well, many don't even want cops to get fifth amendment protections when forced to answer administrative questions. That wouldn't exist without unions.
 
2014-02-04 10:55:50 PM

CruiserTwelve: No. Unions do their job, which is to represent the best interest of their members


And oftentimes the best interests of a union's members are contrary to the interests of the public.
 
2014-02-04 11:38:31 PM

Fark It: CruiserTwelve: No. Unions do their job, which is to represent the best interest of their members

And oftentimes the best interests of a union's members are contrary to the interests of the public.


Too bad.

You might as well call for benevolent dictatorship imo.
 
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