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(Huffington Post)   Either the markets are collapsing or they're finally going back to normalcy now that the Fed has started quantitative easing   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 81
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2014-02-04 12:32:49 PM  
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2014-02-04 12:44:55 PM  
now that the Fed has started quantitative easing

?

Looks like subby might have gotten his talking points confused.
 
2014-02-04 12:49:35 PM  
US factory output not where you want it? Buy some stuff made in America. But be sure and buy it last quarter.
 
2014-02-04 12:49:40 PM  
Money fight!
 
2014-02-04 12:49:47 PM  

Arkanaut: now that the Fed has started quantitative easing

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Looks like subby might have gotten his talking points confused.



I think subby meant to say "now that the Fed has started quantitative easing easing."
 
2014-02-04 12:49:56 PM  

Arkanaut: now that the Fed has started quantitative easing

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Looks like subby might have gotten his talking points confused.


They are easing off the easing.
 
2014-02-04 12:51:18 PM  

Arkanaut: now that the Fed has started quantitative easing

?

Looks like subby might have gotten his talking points confused.


And we have not even started the quantitative easing easing.  Only discussed that we might have to do that at some point in the unknown future.
 
2014-02-04 12:52:42 PM  

Saiga410: Arkanaut: now that the Fed has started quantitative easing

?

Looks like subby might have gotten his talking points confused.

And we have not even started the quantitative easing easing.  Only discussed that we might have to do that at some point in the unknown future.


No, I think they've eased the easing, but now they're easing the easing of the easing.
 
2014-02-04 12:54:05 PM  

Arkanaut: Saiga410: Arkanaut: now that the Fed has started quantitative easing

?

Looks like subby might have gotten his talking points confused.

And we have not even started the quantitative easing easing.  Only discussed that we might have to do that at some point in the unknown future.

No, I think they've eased the easing, but now they're easing the easing of the easing.


But what do we use bacon for?
 
2014-02-04 12:54:27 PM  

max_pooper: Arkanaut: now that the Fed has started quantitative easing

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Looks like subby might have gotten his talking points confused.


I think subby meant to say "now that the Fed has started quantitative easing easing."


You like easing or something?
 
2014-02-04 12:54:59 PM  
I guess we know who didn't stay at a Holiday Inn last night.
 
2014-02-04 12:57:48 PM  
Or it's just a long overdue correction.
 
2014-02-04 12:59:40 PM  
I just dont understand how rich people can be so farking stupid.

99% - Please give us jobs and a living wage so we can buy stuff.
  1% - No. Now shut up and buy our stuff.
99% - But we have no money to buy stuff with.
  1% - Why should we give the moocher class a living wage? Shut up and buy our stuff.
99% - ...........
  1% - Oh no! No one is buying our stuff! How did this happen?
 
2014-02-04 01:01:42 PM  
I'm sure this thing that the "omg we need to stop borrowing, we need to start paying off our debt" folks have been clamoring for for years will be hailed as a success and not as another talking point against Obama.
 
2014-02-04 01:02:01 PM  

Saiga410: Arkanaut: now that the Fed has started quantitative easing

?

Looks like subby might have gotten his talking points confused.

And we have not even started the quantitative easing easing.  Only discussed that we might have to do that at some point in the unknown future.


QE has lost its mojo.
 
2014-02-04 01:06:13 PM  

Arkanaut: Saiga410: Arkanaut: now that the Fed has started quantitative easing

?

Looks like subby might have gotten his talking points confused.

And we have not even started the quantitative easing easing.  Only discussed that we might have to do that at some point in the unknown future.

No, I think they've eased the easing, but now they're easing the easing of the easing.


I did not know they had started but one might say that their actions afterward should ease the minds of investors.
 
2014-02-04 01:07:30 PM  
The problem with quantitative easing is that it is too easy for the money (which starts off with bond purchases) to simply get tied up in the financial system, that is STOCK MARKET. Aside from extended unemployment, the money simply isn't flowing where it needs to be. It's just more trickle down voodoo economics. So, it's time to swindle the middle class and take their retirement funds...again.
 
2014-02-04 01:09:06 PM  

quickdraw: I just dont understand how rich people can be so farking stupid.

99% - Please give us jobs and a living wage so we can buy stuff.
  1% - No. Now shut up and buy our stuff.
99% - But we have no money to buy stuff with.
  1% - Why should we give the moocher class a living wage? Shut up and buy our stuff.
99% - ...........
  1% - Oh no! No one is buying our stuff! How did this happen?


Trouble is, not all of the 1% got that way via retail or manufacturing.  Finance and rent-seeking are the ways the new plutocrats got their billions.  That involves cozying up to government, not sales.
 
2014-02-04 01:10:32 PM  

Kuta: The problem with quantitative easing is that it is too easy for the money (which starts off with bond purchases) to simply get tied up in the financial system, that is STOCK MARKET. Aside from extended unemployment, the money simply isn't flowing where it needs to be. It's just more trickle down voodoo economics. So, it's time to swindle the middle class and take their retirement funds...again.


What a stupid idea.  There can't be much left at this point...........
 
2014-02-04 01:11:39 PM  

quickdraw: I just dont understand how rich people can be so farking stupid.

99% - Please give us jobs and a living wage so we can buy stuff.
  1% - No. Now shut up and buy our stuff.
99% - But we have no money to buy stuff with.
  1% - Why should we give the moocher class a living wage? Shut up and buy our stuff.
99% - ...........
  1% - Oh no! No one is buying our stuff! How did this happen?


.1% - I think they're catching on to us.
 
2014-02-04 01:12:09 PM  
I capitulated on high-growth stocks this morning.  Staying in my dividend producing stocks.
 
2014-02-04 01:19:50 PM  
Good. Buying opportunity.
 
kab
2014-02-04 01:22:33 PM  
This is clearly a sign that businesses need a few rounds of layoffs.
 
2014-02-04 01:22:48 PM  

Arkanaut: Saiga410: Arkanaut: now that the Fed has started quantitative easing

?

Looks like subby might have gotten his talking points confused.

And we have not even started the quantitative easing easing.  Only discussed that we might have to do that at some point in the unknown future.

No, I think they've eased the easing, but now they're easing the easing of the easing.


Have the people responsible of sacking the people responsible for the easing of the easing of the easing been sacked?
 
2014-02-04 01:24:44 PM  
The Dow is roughly where it was three months ago, people. Relax.
 
2014-02-04 01:27:15 PM  

quickdraw: I just dont understand how rich people can be so farking stupid.

99% - Please give us jobs and a living wage so we can buy stuff.
  1% - No. Now shut up and buy our stuff.
99% - But we have no money to buy stuff with.
  1% - Why should we give the moocher class a living wage? Shut up and buy our stuff.
99% - ...........
  1% - Oh no! No one is buying our stuff! How did this happen?


If we just increase everybody's salary 100x's, then we can all be super rich!

Why didn't we ever think of this?!
 
2014-02-04 01:31:58 PM  

dj_spanmaster: quickdraw: I just dont understand how rich people can be so farking stupid.

99% - Please give us jobs and a living wage so we can buy stuff.
  1% - No. Now shut up and buy our stuff.
99% - But we have no money to buy stuff with.
  1% - Why should we give the moocher class a living wage? Shut up and buy our stuff.
99% - ...........
  1% - Oh no! No one is buying our stuff! How did this happen?

.1% - I think they're catching on to us.


Did a branch laden with global warming snap off a retard tree and hit all of you in the head or something?
 
2014-02-04 01:33:07 PM  

MugzyBrown: quickdraw: I just dont understand how rich people can be so farking stupid.

99% - Please give us jobs and a living wage so we can buy stuff.
  1% - No. Now shut up and buy our stuff.
99% - But we have no money to buy stuff with.
  1% - Why should we give the moocher class a living wage? Shut up and buy our stuff.
99% - ...........
  1% - Oh no! No one is buying our stuff! How did this happen?

If we just increase everybody's salary 100x's, then we can all be super rich!

Why didn't we ever think of this?!


Yeah, that totally sounds like what people are actually proposing.
 
2014-02-04 01:35:42 PM  

Arkanaut: Yeah, that totally sounds like what people are actually proposing.


Why not? We'd all be better off.

We'll all spend our money on stuff, so it's win-win.

I can't wait to get my super-raise.
 
2014-02-04 01:36:30 PM  
Or not...

i.imgur.com
 
2014-02-04 01:39:32 PM  

MugzyBrown: Arkanaut: Yeah, that totally sounds like what people are actually proposing.

Why not? We'd all be better off.

We'll all spend our money on stuff, so it's win-win.

I can't wait to get my super-raise.


Do you high-five yourself when you defeat arguments nobody made?
 
2014-02-04 01:39:58 PM  

AllYourFarkAreBelongToMe: dj_spanmaster: quickdraw: I just dont understand how rich people can be so farking stupid.

99% - Please give us jobs and a living wage so we can buy stuff.
  1% - No. Now shut up and buy our stuff.
99% - But we have no money to buy stuff with.
  1% - Why should we give the moocher class a living wage? Shut up and buy our stuff.
99% - ...........
  1% - Oh no! No one is buying our stuff! How did this happen?

.1% - I think they're catching on to us.

Did a branch laden with global warming snap off a retard tree and hit all of you in the head or something?


Are you always so combative when you don't comprehend a joke?
 
2014-02-04 01:40:22 PM  
This morning, I cashed out my 401K and invested all my money in colloidal silver and patriot seeds.
 
2014-02-04 01:41:03 PM  

jaytkay: MugzyBrown: Arkanaut: Yeah, that totally sounds like what people are actually proposing.

Why not? We'd all be better off.

We'll all spend our money on stuff, so it's win-win.

I can't wait to get my super-raise.

Do you high-five yourself when you defeat arguments nobody made?


If it's good for everybody to raise wages x%, why isn't it good to raise it 10x%? or 100x%
 
2014-02-04 01:45:27 PM  

dj_spanmaster: quickdraw: I just dont understand how rich people can be so farking stupid.

99% - Please give us jobs and a living wage so we can buy stuff.
  1% - No. Now shut up and buy our stuff.
99% - But we have no money to buy stuff with.
  1% - Why should we give the moocher class a living wage? Shut up and buy our stuff.
99% - ...........
  1% - Oh no! No one is buying our stuff! How did this happen?

.1% - I think they're catching on to us.


.01% - We'll send care packages to your cellmates

.001% - They won't find a body
 
2014-02-04 01:46:59 PM  

MugzyBrown: jaytkay: MugzyBrown: Arkanaut: Yeah, that totally sounds like what people are actually proposing.

Why not? We'd all be better off.

We'll all spend our money on stuff, so it's win-win.

I can't wait to get my super-raise.

Do you high-five yourself when you defeat arguments nobody made?

If it's good for everybody to raise wages x%, why isn't it good to raise it 10x%? or 100x%


You can also argue from the other extreme -- would a $0.01 minimum wage raise hurt any businesses? What about $0.02? What about $2.95?
 
2014-02-04 01:49:30 PM  

Arkanaut: You can also argue from the other extreme -- would a $0.01 minimum wage raise hurt any businesses? What about $0.02? What about $2.95?


It hurts workers more than anyone.

But to answer your question, yes it would hurt them the more you add to it.
 
2014-02-04 01:51:56 PM  

MugzyBrown: jaytkay: MugzyBrown: Arkanaut: Yeah, that totally sounds like what people are actually proposing.

Why not? We'd all be better off.

We'll all spend our money on stuff, so it's win-win.

I can't wait to get my super-raise.

Do you high-five yourself when you defeat arguments nobody made?

If it's good for everybody to raise wages x%, why isn't it good to raise it 10x%? or 100x%


High-five yourself again and have another wank, too. You deserve it!
 
2014-02-04 01:53:38 PM  

MugzyBrown: jaytkay: MugzyBrown: Arkanaut: Yeah, that totally sounds like what people are actually proposing.

Why not? We'd all be better off.

We'll all spend our money on stuff, so it's win-win.

I can't wait to get my super-raise.

Do you high-five yourself when you defeat arguments nobody made?

If it's good for everybody to raise wages x%, why isn't it good to raise it 10x%? or 100x%


For the same reason that it's a good idea to drink 5 glasses of water but a bad idea to drink 50 glasses.  There is a point at which increasing the minimum wage would have detrimental side effects.  $10.10 is not that point.
 
2014-02-04 01:54:39 PM  

Stile4aly: $10.10 is not that point.


Unless you're that 16 year old who isn't worth $10 per hour.
 
2014-02-04 01:55:00 PM  

MugzyBrown: Arkanaut: You can also argue from the other extreme -- would a $0.01 minimum wage raise hurt any businesses? What about $0.02? What about $2.95?

It hurts workers more than anyone.


Citation needed
 
2014-02-04 01:56:19 PM  

MugzyBrown: Stile4aly: $10.10 is not that point.

Unless you're that 16 year old who isn't worth $10 per hour.


Why isn't a 16 yr old worth $10.00 an hour? Ive paid kids that age more than that to mow my lawn.
 
2014-02-04 01:57:11 PM  

MugzyBrown: Arkanaut: You can also argue from the other extreme -- would a $0.01 minimum wage raise hurt any businesses? What about $0.02? What about $2.95?

It hurts workers more than anyone.

But to answer your question, yes it would hurt them the more you add to it.


Not if they can set the prices.
 
2014-02-04 01:59:41 PM  

quickdraw: Citation needed


www.economicshelp.org
 
2014-02-04 02:03:21 PM  

quickdraw: Why isn't a 16 yr old worth $10.00 an hour? Ive paid kids that age more than that to mow my lawn.


Well I didn't say every 16 year old isn't work $10/hr, but if you had to hire a worker at $10/hr instead of $7/hr you could possibly get a 20 year old college kid instead of a 16 year old high school kid. or a 67 year old "retiree".

Or maybe you decide to shell out the dough for some sort of automated system, like a POS system instead of cashiers.

POS systems don't count as employees under ACA, they don't charge for unemployment insurance, you don't have to pay FICA, and they can't sue you when you get rid of them.
 
2014-02-04 02:05:38 PM  

MugzyBrown: quickdraw: Citation needed

[www.economicshelp.org image 850x642]


There is no mention of what the minimum wage was at any point on that chart.  So let me help.  In 1991 it was 4.25 an hour.  It went up to 4.75 in 96 and 5.15 in 97, and it looks like the line continued a downward trend in those years.  It went to 5.85 in 07, 6.55 in 08, and 7.25 in 09.  From 09 to 11, unemployment was basically flat.

So, unless you're going to blame the financial crisis on a $1.40 increase in the minimum wage, I think your argument is toast.
 
2014-02-04 02:07:52 PM  

MugzyBrown: quickdraw: Citation needed

[www.economicshelp.org image 850x642]


Kind of you to cite something that solidifies my position instead of your own
 
2014-02-04 02:08:07 PM  

syberpud: quickdraw: I just dont understand how rich people can be so farking stupid.

99% - Please give us jobs and a living wage so we can buy stuff.
  1% - No. Now shut up and buy our stuff.
99% - But we have no money to buy stuff with.
  1% - Why should we give the moocher class a living wage? Shut up and buy our stuff.
99% - ...........
  1% - Oh no! No one is buying our stuff! How did this happen?

Trouble is, not all of the 1% got that way via retail or manufacturing.  Finance and rent-seeking are the ways the new plutocrats got their billions.  That involves cozying up to government, not sales.


And it's not necessarily the 1% who are making the decisions about salaries and wages. It's the top 10% who are the real assholes. They've got theirs so fark everyone else.
 
2014-02-04 02:16:33 PM  

Stile4aly: So, unless you're going to blame the financial crisis on a $1.40 increase in the minimum wage, I think your argument is toast.


The economy isn't so simple that if you increase the minimum wage that the slider for unemployment goes up.

There's a reason that no/low skill workers suffer more during down times.  Why 40 years ago a gas station had multiple attendants and now there's 1 guy behind a glass wall.  Why cashiers are being replaced by auto-scanners.
 
2014-02-04 02:29:03 PM  

MugzyBrown: There's a reason that no/low skill workers suffer more during down times. Why 40 years ago a gas station had multiple attendants and now there's 1 guy behind a glass wall. Why cashiers are being replaced by auto-scanners.


...why in recent decades wealth has been distributed to a smaller and smaller share of the population, why taxes have been dramatically lowered for the wealthy and not the middle class, why the current recovery has benefited investors and not workers...
 
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