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(New Scientist)   The plot thickens: Neanderthals, Denisovans, Hobbits, unknown African homonids, and now the Koisan people have some Neanderthal gene traces from having left Africa 65,000 years ago and returned only 3,000 years ago   (newscientist.com) divider line 16
    More: Cool, Neanderthals, African, DNA, Sanger Institute, DNA matching, Eurasian  
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2014-02-04 11:27:40 AM
3 votes:
"Dating methods suggested they made their way into the Khoisan DNA sometime between 900 and 1800 years ago - well before known European contact with southern Africa"

The Romans participated in trade routes all up and down the eastern coast of Africa and there are records of them rounding the horn, mentioning that the interior was unexplored but that the ocean curves westward and mingles with the Atlantic.  I'm pretty sure that could be a possible source of the dna from "southern Europeans, including Sardinians, Italians and people from the Basque region"
2014-02-04 11:22:23 AM
2 votes:

onzmadi: Man early humanity really got around


People were few and far enough in between that they'd probably fark anything that looked remotely human.
2014-02-05 01:48:52 AM
1 votes:

brantgoose: AliceBToklasLives: brantgoose: The Unlisted Tribes of Israel may have wandered off during the 40 years in the Desert. They refused to ask for directions regardless of how much their wives kevetched.

I believe we have now identified Woody Allen's handle.

Oh, leave Woody Allen's damned handle out of this. You know a lot of people worked on those movies--many fine actresses and actors, crews and caterers. Is it fair to throw the baby out with the bathwater?

Hell, if you boycott every sex freak we'd lose the entire Italian Renaissance.


This is as good a time as any to tell you...

I have you colored in smart-guy burnt orange, and I used to have your label as "Smart guy" with some other details I've forgotten, possibly about Canada and/or biology. A few months ago, I changed that to "Smart guy slowly descending into madness". You either need to drink less, drink more, do fewer drugs, or do more drugs, because whatever you're doing now is seriously hurting the clarity of your posts.
2014-02-04 12:38:08 PM
1 votes:

Oldiron_79: This just in Humans will fark pretty much anything living, humanoid, and the approriate gender for ones style.


Having been to the skeevy end of the internet, all of those seem optional.
2014-02-04 11:57:19 AM
1 votes:
I for one, am proud of my Neanderthal heritage. It's the European way. Flatten everything and name the streets after whatever used to be there. Elm street, Oak Forest Drive, Navaho Boulevard, Neanderthal Lane.

From Neanderthals we got some good things, such as widened immunity, pale European and Asian skin to allow us to make vitamin D and Lord it over humanity, and probably larger heads, possibly larger brains.

We also got some bad things, like lupus (the kind Doctor House got), type 2 diabetes, Crohn's disease (which is a really nasty and unpleasant bowel disease, and a tendency to addiction to tobacco, although the Neanderthal never encountered that particular plant.)

One thing we did not get at all seems to be mitochondria, which are inherited from our Mothers. If the Neanderthals took our women, their genes died with the Neanderthals, leaving no trace. Perhaps, ahem, Neanderthal life was just too nasty, brutish and short for the ladies. Or maybe they had enormous schwannstickers. Most likely Neanderthal women, living the same tough hunting life as the men did, were a bit fugglier than Russian shot-putters of either sex. That is certainly the impression you get from reconstructions. That Neanderthal woman is rougher than an Irish washerwoman who keeps a boarding house for pirates.

Personally I always expected that hairiness and a robust stocky physique might also be inherited from the Neanderthal. I suspect that their genes would turn up in the refuges or the edges of European geography--the Irish, for example, are extremely pale, have a tendency to red hair and have big heads as Conan O'Brien never fails to point out. There are also traces of Neanderthal type traits in Spain (which is closely connected to Ireland) and Eastern Europe where the high lands and forests would presumably have been a refuge from modern human invasions.

But one of the legacies of the Neanderthal may be higher IQs among the Jews and Japanese or Chinese. They may or may not have been great talkers, but the Neanderthals had bigger brains than modern humans and it could be that some of the genius for mathematics is from them--they didn't need a lot of mathematics except for hunting but that could be why they developed big brains--it isn't easy living the way they did and they were probably largely nomadic. They don't seem to have learned to fish (neither did the Cro Magnon despite rivers full of salmon and pike and so forth). But they may have had great aim when throwing spears. You don't throw a spear at a mammoth unless you are pretty sure you're going to hit it and hit it hard.
2014-02-04 11:57:17 AM
1 votes:

Slaxl: Koisan, sounds an awful lot like "chosen", and since we know God is an Englishman and thus everything would have been written in English in those days, and 3,000 years ago is around the time of the Exodus it seems clear to me that these are some kind of Lost Tribe of Israel.

I win again, history.


I'm always amazed at how many places the list tribe of Israel travelled to. Anywhere we can't believe the dumb natives could have done that - lost tribe of Israel.

GPS mofos
2014-02-04 11:53:51 AM
1 votes:
Maybe they missed the rains?
2014-02-04 11:52:12 AM
1 votes:

cgraves67: Running a-puck: "Dating methods suggested they made their way into the Khoisan DNA sometime between 900 and 1800 years ago - well before known European contact with southern Africa"

The Romans participated in trade routes all up and down the eastern coast of Africa and there are records of them rounding the horn, mentioning that the interior was unexplored but that the ocean curves westward and mingles with the Atlantic.  I'm pretty sure that could be a possible source of the dna from "southern Europeans, including Sardinians, Italians and people from the Basque region"

Not to mention Carthaginians roving the West coast of Africa. Who really knows how far they got?


The west coast of Africa is pretty well known as a place of trade and exploration - even the Chinese went there.

But the Western part or the interior part of Africa seems unlikely. The Romans did the marginal sub-saharan bit but not beyond that. So the article's theory seems more plausible to me.

What would claim it for the outsider love=making would be tribal traditions of stories about fair-skinned people showing up. And to the best of my knowledge, there's none of that in the region the article mentions. The closest is in Zimbabwe, where they have these non-traditional looking structures:

www.victoriafalls-guide.net

But even then, they have a multitude of ideas involving outsiders for that place. One theory I read was that it was built by the Lost Tribe of Israel.
2014-02-04 11:32:04 AM
1 votes:

Running a-puck: "Dating methods suggested they made their way into the Khoisan DNA sometime between 900 and 1800 years ago - well before known European contact with southern Africa"

The Romans participated in trade routes all up and down the eastern coast of Africa and there are records of them rounding the horn, mentioning that the interior was unexplored but that the ocean curves westward and mingles with the Atlantic.  I'm pretty sure that could be a possible source of the dna from "southern Europeans, including Sardinians, Italians and people from the Basque region"


Not to mention Carthaginians roving the West coast of Africa. Who really knows how far they got?
2014-02-04 11:30:11 AM
1 votes:

ChipNASA: cgraves67: Claims that they are a lost tribe of Israel begin in 3... 2... 1...

Red Sea pedestrians?


No, it was the Toltecs or the Mayans, or some say we came from a lost rag tag band of intersteller refugees....
2014-02-04 11:26:55 AM
1 votes:
This just in Humans will fark pretty much anything living, humanoid, and the approriate gender for ones style.
2014-02-04 11:23:21 AM
1 votes:
The gods must be crazy.

/obs.?
2014-02-04 11:23:17 AM
1 votes:
And who said, "You can never go home again".
2014-02-04 11:22:27 AM
1 votes:
Claims that they are a lost tribe of Israel begin in 3... 2... 1...
2014-02-04 11:20:10 AM
1 votes:

onzmadi: Man early humanity really got around



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Love the kind you clean up with a mop and bucket
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You and me baby ain't nothin' but mammals
So let's do it like they do on the Discovery Channel
Do it again now
You and me baby ain't nothin' but mammals
So let's do it like they do on the Discovery Channel
Gettin' horny now
You and me baby ain't nothin' but mammals
So let's do it like they do on the Discovery Channel
Do it again now
You and me baby ain't nothin' but mammals
So let's do it like they do on the Discovery Channel
Do it now
You and me baby ain't nothin' but mammals
So let's do it like they do on the Discovery Channel
Do it again now
You and me baby ain't nothin' but mammals
So let's do it like they do on the Discovery Channel
Gettin' horny now
2014-02-04 11:19:52 AM
1 votes:
Phssthpok approves
 
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