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(New Scientist)   The plot thickens: Neanderthals, Denisovans, Hobbits, unknown African homonids, and now the Koisan people have some Neanderthal gene traces from having left Africa 65,000 years ago and returned only 3,000 years ago   (newscientist.com) divider line 90
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2014-02-04 12:38:08 PM  

Oldiron_79: This just in Humans will fark pretty much anything living, humanoid, and the approriate gender for ones style.


Having been to the skeevy end of the internet, all of those seem optional.
 
2014-02-04 12:44:06 PM  
My theory about the Lost Tribes of Israel is that they never actually got lost. The Babylonians carried off the upper classes and artisans of Israel but they left most of the peasant and unskilled working population behind. So they are still there as Samaritans, Druze, Palestinians, generally. When the Jews returned from captivity they refused to recognize them as fellow religionists because they had intermarried with "strange women", namely non-Jews, or couldn't provide their genealogies to umpteenth generation.

As for their tendency to pop up where ever convenient for religious and archaeological cranks, they are a sort of floating island like Hy Brazil or Atlantis--they pop up everywhere.

Even today, there may be as many non-practicing Jews in the USA as there are official Jews. A lot of them simply can't afford to meet the obligations of a good Jew, such as paying for Yeshiva, contributing to the Synagogue and charities, etc. An old estimate of how much it costs to be a Good Jews was over $125,000.

Tithes cost Good Christians up to 10%, but most mainstream Christians don't have much in the way of obligations and donate only a token amount to the Church unless they are rich.
 
2014-02-04 12:48:37 PM  

GungFu: The closest is in Zimbabwe, where they have these non-traditional looking structures:

www.victoriafalls-guide.net

But even then, they have a multitude of ideas involving outsiders for that place. One theory I read was that it was built by the Lost Tribe of Israel.


There are political reasons for denying desperately that locals could have built those ruined cities.  The archeological evidence points to them having been built by the ancestors of the Shona people.
 
2014-02-04 12:49:56 PM  

AliceBToklasLives: "Lost" not "list"

/stubby fingers don't type well on a phone


Hurrah! I've discovered the Unlisted Tribes of Israel. They got tired of being asked to donate to every charity going, so they got unlisted numbers and disappeared into WASPdom. They're not crypto-Jews--they haven't been persecuted unless you count telemarketeers. They're not really Lost Tribes but they are the hardest tribes to find because they live in gated communities and streets name Private.

80% of the Unlisted Tribes of Israel are tall and blond and thin and speak with clipped Harvard accents. Roughly the same percentage of them are former Sephardic Jews who came over just after the Mayflower Pilgrims.

As I said, they are not Lost. They are merely Mislaid.
 
2014-02-04 12:50:57 PM  
The Unlisted Tribes of Israel may have wandered off during the 40 years in the Desert. They refused to ask for directions regardless of how much their wives kevetched.
 
2014-02-04 12:56:38 PM  

brantgoose: The Unlisted Tribes of Israel may have wandered off during the 40 years in the Desert. They refused to ask for directions regardless of how much their wives kevetched.


I believe we have now identified Woody Allen's handle.
 
2014-02-04 12:57:39 PM  
Shona is clearly derived from Sharon.

Excuse me while I roll around on the floor for a while.

But seriously, we Merovingians are the true Chosen People because we are direct descendants of Jesus and Mary Magdalene and thus the non-figurative Children of God. Read your Dan Brown, people!
 
2014-02-04 12:58:55 PM  

brantgoose: whither_apophis: So basically any species of the genus Homo will fark anything it can?

If you've been reading Fark as long as I have, you know the answer to that.

As the Little Dutch Boy said, "I've already run out of fingers and toes. One more leak and we're all farked!"


Yeh, I was thinking this is Fark's daily bestiality thread but realized it's still early...
 
2014-02-04 01:00:56 PM  

AliceBToklasLives: brantgoose: The Unlisted Tribes of Israel may have wandered off during the 40 years in the Desert. They refused to ask for directions regardless of how much their wives kevetched.

I believe we have now identified Woody Allen's handle.


Oh, leave Woody Allen's damned handle out of this. You know a lot of people worked on those movies--many fine actresses and actors, crews and caterers. Is it fair to throw the baby out with the bathwater?

Hell, if you boycott every sex freak we'd lose the entire Italian Renaissance.
 
2014-02-04 01:37:20 PM  

El Dudereno: onzmadi: Man early humanity really got around

People were few and far enough in between that they'd probably fark anything that looked remotely human.


Some of us have those same standards.

Don't judge me!
 
2014-02-04 01:50:32 PM  
How can anyone look at this man and tell me he doesn't have a LOT of neanderthal genes in his family line?

4.bp.blogspot.com

You want the missing link? He's married to Stephanie McMahon.
 
2014-02-04 02:04:49 PM  
... And Halflings, and Half-Elves, and Half-Orcs, and Centaurs, and Minotaurs, and the Dhampir...
 
2014-02-04 02:14:48 PM  
i1136.photobucket.com
 
2014-02-04 02:34:11 PM  

ZeroCorpse: How can anyone look at this man and tell me he doesn't have a LOT of neanderthal genes in his family line?

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 456x352]

You want the missing link? He's married to Stephanie McMahon.


Really? That guy could be the poster child for Homo Sapiens compared to this thing...

1.bp.blogspot.com

I hope he doesn't read Fark...
 
2014-02-04 02:40:17 PM  

The Irresponsible Captain: Running a-puck: They probably called it something in Latin.

Or Greek. The educated Roman Citizen read, wrote, and spoke Greek and I'd imagine flaunted that any time they could.


Well, if it was Greek, there wouldn't have been koine or Koisan. Just a little olive oil.
 
2014-02-04 02:58:11 PM  

brantgoose: zimbomba63: Do they owe a lot of money and don't like paying taxes?  It's the Greeks.

Or else Republicans. I fear Republicans even when bearing tax cuts.


GungFu: cgraves67: Running a-puck: "Dating methods suggested they made their way into the Khoisan DNA sometime between 900 and 1800 years ago - well before known European contact with southern Africa"

The Romans participated in trade routes all up and down the eastern coast of Africa and there are records of them rounding the horn, mentioning that the interior was unexplored but that the ocean curves westward and mingles with the Atlantic.  I'm pretty sure that could be a possible source of the dna from "southern Europeans, including Sardinians, Italians and people from the Basque region"

Not to mention Carthaginians roving the West coast of Africa. Who really knows how far they got?

The west coast of Africa is pretty well known as a place of trade and exploration - even the Chinese went there.

But the Western part or the interior part of Africa seems unlikely. The Romans did the marginal sub-saharan bit but not beyond that. So the article's theory seems more plausible to me.

What would claim it for the outsider love=making would be tribal traditions of stories about fair-skinned people showing up. And to the best of my knowledge, there's none of that in the region the article mentions. The closest is in Zimbabwe, where they have these non-traditional looking structures:

[www.victoriafalls-guide.net image 650x433]

But even then, they have a multitude of ideas involving outsiders for that place. One theory I read was that it was built by the Lost Tribe of Israel.


Pretty sure he's referring to the Periplus Maris Erythraei  circa 1st Century CE.  The Periplus talked about trading expedition down the East Coast of Africa and beyond to the Western Sea.  Also, in the South Indian literary work, Silappadikaram, it mentions a Roman commercial outpost at an old port called Poduca, near modern Pondicherry, (Southeastern India) where "...in different places  of Puhar the onlooker's attention was arrested by the sight of abodes of (Romans), whose prosperity was never on the wane.  On the harbor were to be seen sailors come from distant lands, but for all appearance they lived as one community."  Maybe some of the genetic mixing took place in trading centers like this one and was taken back to specific areas in Africa.

/ Just sayin', maybe.
 
Esn
2014-02-04 03:48:53 PM  

Slaxl: ZeroCorpse: How can anyone look at this man and tell me he doesn't have a LOT of neanderthal genes in his family line?

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 456x352]

You want the missing link? He's married to Stephanie McMahon.

Really? That guy could be the poster child for Homo Sapiens compared to this thing...

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 500x353]

I hope he doesn't read Fark...


I do hope Valuev gets his DNA sequenced some day, it would be pretty interesting to see how correct people's suspicions are.

Despite how he looks, Valuev sounds pretty literate in interviews. He has the equivalent of a Master's diploma and seems to be working on another degree at the Moscow State University of Technology and Management.
 
2014-02-04 03:50:49 PM  
s2.quickmeme.com
 
2014-02-04 04:36:05 PM  
I've wondered why the Khoisan people looked like black versions of me. I guess these traits float to the top when you put the DNA in a blender.

/not a lost tribe
 
2014-02-04 04:42:23 PM  

Esn: Slaxl: ZeroCorpse: How can anyone look at this man and tell me he doesn't have a LOT of neanderthal genes in his family line?

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 456x352]

You want the missing link? He's married to Stephanie McMahon.

Really? That guy could be the poster child for Homo Sapiens compared to this thing...

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 500x353]

I hope he doesn't read Fark...

I do hope Valuev gets his DNA sequenced some day, it would be pretty interesting to see how correct people's suspicions are.

Despite how he looks, Valuev sounds pretty literate in interviews. He has the equivalent of a Master's diploma and seems to be working on another degree at the Moscow State University of Technology and Management.


I meant his lawyer...

Aahaha, you see how I joke? Now Valuev doesn't have to kill me when he reads this thread! Right, Nikolai? Ni
 
2014-02-04 05:05:45 PM  

Ned Stark: Oldiron_79: This just in Humans will fark pretty much anything living, humanoid, and the approriate gender for ones style.

Having been to the skeevy end of the internet, all of those seem optional.


Desparasexuality.
 
2014-02-04 05:38:35 PM  
Jou ma se Neanderthals poes.
 
2014-02-04 05:43:34 PM  

GungFu: cgraves67: Running a-puck: "Dating methods suggested they made their way into the Khoisan DNA sometime between 900 and 1800 years ago - well before known European contact with southern Africa"

The Romans participated in trade routes all up and down the eastern coast of Africa and there are records of them rounding the horn, mentioning that the interior was unexplored but that the ocean curves westward and mingles with the Atlantic.  I'm pretty sure that could be a possible source of the dna from "southern Europeans, including Sardinians, Italians and people from the Basque region"

Not to mention Carthaginians roving the West coast of Africa. Who really knows how far they got?

The west coast of Africa is pretty well known as a place of trade and exploration - even the Chinese went there.

But the Western part or the interior part of Africa seems unlikely. The Romans did the marginal sub-saharan bit but not beyond that. So the article's theory seems more plausible to me.

What would claim it for the outsider love=making would be tribal traditions of stories about fair-skinned people showing up. And to the best of my knowledge, there's none of that in the region the article mentions. The closest is in Zimbabwe, where they have these non-traditional looking structures:

[www.victoriafalls-guide.net image 650x433]

But even then, they have a multitude of ideas involving outsiders for that place. One theory I read was that it was built by the Lost Tribe of Israel.



Is there *anything* that lost tribe won't do???
 
2014-02-04 05:46:37 PM  
Inside Science on Radio 4 covered a similar topic last week, as there were 2 papers released in quick succession claiming that Eurasians/indigenous Americans were much more Neanderthal than most Africans.

I considered submitting a link to that, but I couldn't find the right interspecies erotica angle.
 
2014-02-04 05:47:59 PM  

AliceBToklasLives: Slaxl: Koisan, sounds an awful lot like "chosen", and since we know God is an Englishman and thus everything would have been written in English in those days, and 3,000 years ago is around the time of the Exodus it seems clear to me that these are some kind of Lost Tribe of Israel.

I win again, history.

I'm always amazed at how many places the list tribe of Israel travelled to. Anywhere we can't believe the dumb natives could have done that - lost tribe of Israel.

GPS mofos



Never put an old guy up front on point. Most likely he left his turn signal on........ so everyone kept going in circles for all eternity.
 
2014-02-04 05:59:54 PM  

El Dudereno: onzmadi: Man early humanity really got around

People were few and far enough in between that they'd probably fark anything that looked remotely human.


Kind of like college?
 
2014-02-04 06:11:54 PM  
Meh. We've known about a large back-migration into Africa for some time now. Look at a map of R1b sometime; that huge chunk of R1b-V88 covering where Cameroon, Nigeria and Chad come together is either a massive founder-effect or the widespread success of R1b pastoralists that went back to Central Africa from West Asia between 10,000-6,000 years ago. In some Chadic-speaking tribes, V88 runs as high as 95% of Y-DNA. The only other place you see that much R1b is in Western Europe (completely different branches, but still).

People used to get around.
 
2014-02-04 06:55:00 PM  

serialsuicidebomber: GungFu: cgraves67: Running a-puck: "Dating methods suggested they made their way into the Khoisan DNA sometime between 900 and 1800 years ago - well before known European contact with southern Africa"

The Romans participated in trade routes all up and down the eastern coast of Africa and there are records of them rounding the horn, mentioning that the interior was unexplored but that the ocean curves westward and mingles with the Atlantic.  I'm pretty sure that could be a possible source of the dna from "southern Europeans, including Sardinians, Italians and people from the Basque region"

Not to mention Carthaginians roving the West coast of Africa. Who really knows how far they got?

The west coast of Africa is pretty well known as a place of trade and exploration - even the Chinese went there.

But the Western part or the interior part of Africa seems unlikely. The Romans did the marginal sub-saharan bit but not beyond that. So the article's theory seems more plausible to me.

What would claim it for the outsider love=making would be tribal traditions of stories about fair-skinned people showing up. And to the best of my knowledge, there's none of that in the region the article mentions. The closest is in Zimbabwe, where they have these non-traditional looking structures:

[www.victoriafalls-guide.net image 650x433]

But even then, they have a multitude of ideas involving outsiders for that place. One theory I read was that it was built by the Lost Tribe of Israel.


Is there *anything* that lost tribe won't do???


Your mom
 
2014-02-04 07:05:52 PM  

serialsuicidebomber: GungFu: cgraves67: Running a-puck: "Dating methods suggested they made their way into the Khoisan DNA sometime between 900 and 1800 years ago - well before known European contact with southern Africa"

The Romans participated in trade routes all up and down the eastern coast of Africa and there are records of them rounding the horn, mentioning that the interior was unexplored but that the ocean curves westward and mingles with the Atlantic.  I'm pretty sure that could be a possible source of the dna from "southern Europeans, including Sardinians, Italians and people from the Basque region"

Not to mention Carthaginians roving the West coast of Africa. Who really knows how far they got?

The west coast of Africa is pretty well known as a place of trade and exploration - even the Chinese went there.

But the Western part or the interior part of Africa seems unlikely. The Romans did the marginal sub-saharan bit but not beyond that. So the article's theory seems more plausible to me.

What would claim it for the outsider love=making would be tribal traditions of stories about fair-skinned people showing up. And to the best of my knowledge, there's none of that in the region the article mentions. The closest is in Zimbabwe, where they have these non-traditional looking structures:

[www.victoriafalls-guide.net image 650x433]

But even then, they have a multitude of ideas involving outsiders for that place. One theory I read was that it was built by the Lost Tribe of Israel.


Is there *anything* that lost tribe won't do???


Tip
 
2014-02-04 07:16:26 PM  

VladTheEmailer: El Dudereno: onzmadi: Man early humanity really got around

People were few and far enough in between that they'd probably fark anything that looked remotely human.

Kind of like college?


You must be my old roommate.
 
2014-02-04 07:55:24 PM  

cgraves67: Claims that they are a lost tribe of Israel begin in 3... 2... 1...


That's the Lemba.  Those dudes still carry Kohanim DNA on the Y chromosome.
 
2014-02-04 08:22:08 PM  

iron de havilland: Inside Science on Radio 4 covered a similar topic last week, as there were 2 papers released in quick succession claiming that Eurasians/indigenous Americans were much more Neanderthal than most Africans.

I considered submitting a link to that, but I couldn't find the right interspecies erotica angle.


well, that's the thing, once you get down to it, it's not interspecies erotica,

it's inter-racial erotica.

if homosapien and neanderthal man were really two separate species, then the offspring, if possible at all, would have been sterile.

There was a point in prehistory that Humanity almost died out.. we were down to our last 50,000 humans.. we can all trace our DNA down to those very few humans, 
By that point, neanderthal as a distinct race died out and the only thing left were the homsapians and the bi-racial off spring
 
2014-02-04 08:59:24 PM  

Cerebral Knievel: iron de havilland: Inside Science on Radio 4 covered a similar topic last week, as there were 2 papers released in quick succession claiming that Eurasians/indigenous Americans were much more Neanderthal than most Africans.

I considered submitting a link to that, but I couldn't find the right interspecies erotica angle.

well, that's the thing, once you get down to it, it's not interspecies erotica,

it's inter-racial erotica.

if homosapien and neanderthal man were really two separate species, then the offspring, if possible at all, would have been sterile.


Yeah, the definition of the term "species" is actually very difficult, because it's a big grey area. The easiest definition comes down to the ability to produce viable offspring.

And the definition of the term "race" is also very difficult, as a bunch of people who don't like darkies have used it to keep people down for many centuries.

There was a point in prehistory that Humanity almost died out.. we were down to our last 50,000 humans.. we can all trace our DNA down to those very few humans,
By that point, neanderthal as a distinct race died out and the only thing left were the homsapians and the bi-racial off spring


You should listen to the link to the radio programme I posted if you can.

It essentially drills down the numbers of how much Neanderthal DNA we Amero/Eurasians have.

The papers it mentions do suggest that there was not a return to Africa, which conflicts with TFA; but, I think TFA explains its return to Africa hypothesis well enough.

/Yeah, but I really hate the idea of race.
//We're all almost identical, having come from such a small population;
///But bigots invent new ways to put our fellow man down. coonts.
 
2014-02-04 09:13:56 PM  

iron de havilland: Cerebral Knievel: iron de havilland: Inside Science on Radio 4 covered a similar topic last week, as there were 2 papers released in quick succession claiming that Eurasians/indigenous Americans were much more Neanderthal than most Africans.

I considered submitting a link to that, but I couldn't find the right interspecies erotica angle.

well, that's the thing, once you get down to it, it's not interspecies erotica,

it's inter-racial erotica.

if homosapien and neanderthal man were really two separate species, then the offspring, if possible at all, would have been sterile.

Yeah, the definition of the term "species" is actually very difficult, because it's a big grey area. The easiest definition comes down to the ability to produce viable offspring.

And the definition of the term "race" is also very difficult, as a bunch of people who don't like darkies have used it to keep people down for many centuries.

There was a point in prehistory that Humanity almost died out.. we were down to our last 50,000 humans.. we can all trace our DNA down to those very few humans,
By that point, neanderthal as a distinct race died out and the only thing left were the homsapians and the bi-racial off spring

You should listen to the link to the radio programme I posted if you can.

It essentially drills down the numbers of how much Neanderthal DNA we Amero/Eurasians have.

The papers it mentions do suggest that there was not a return to Africa, which conflicts with TFA; but, I think TFA explains its return to Africa hypothesis well enough.

/Yeah, but I really hate the idea of race.
//We're all almost identical, having come from such a small population;
///But bigots invent new ways to put our fellow man down. coonts.


and everytfhing that we have said is keeping this discussion in the realms of the fringe sciences. to even speak about, or point out that there are folks walking amoungst us as we speak that have heavy neanderthal traits and you are labeled a bigot and a racist.

then on the other hand, there are those that would use the same argument to reinforce a raciest and bigoted view.

But, i think we need to stop treating neanderthal as a sub human and unsuccessful species of man and start treating them as man, just from a different part of the world as the homosapian.
they met up, they interbred, and modern man is wholly a product of that interbreeding.

The DNA evidence will eventually point this way I am sure. even if some groups will go out of their way to suppress or deny it.

(bubbastokes.jpg)
 
2014-02-04 09:30:18 PM  
so they found one tribe in africa with no neanderthal dna for the dna comparison.  what if other genes from africa made it into the neanderthal genepool.  so the commonality in dna never went back to africa it got introduced into neanderthal dna instead.
 
2014-02-04 11:15:19 PM  
Chester Himes wrote a good book about this movement.
 
2014-02-05 01:48:52 AM  

brantgoose: AliceBToklasLives: brantgoose: The Unlisted Tribes of Israel may have wandered off during the 40 years in the Desert. They refused to ask for directions regardless of how much their wives kevetched.

I believe we have now identified Woody Allen's handle.

Oh, leave Woody Allen's damned handle out of this. You know a lot of people worked on those movies--many fine actresses and actors, crews and caterers. Is it fair to throw the baby out with the bathwater?

Hell, if you boycott every sex freak we'd lose the entire Italian Renaissance.


This is as good a time as any to tell you...

I have you colored in smart-guy burnt orange, and I used to have your label as "Smart guy" with some other details I've forgotten, possibly about Canada and/or biology. A few months ago, I changed that to "Smart guy slowly descending into madness". You either need to drink less, drink more, do fewer drugs, or do more drugs, because whatever you're doing now is seriously hurting the clarity of your posts.
 
2014-02-05 02:54:55 AM  

TopoGigo: brantgoose: AliceBToklasLives: brantgoose: The Unlisted Tribes of Israel may have wandered off during the 40 years in the Desert. They refused to ask for directions regardless of how much their wives kevetched.

I believe we have now identified Woody Allen's handle.

Oh, leave Woody Allen's damned handle out of this. You know a lot of people worked on those movies--many fine actresses and actors, crews and caterers. Is it fair to throw the baby out with the bathwater?

Hell, if you boycott every sex freak we'd lose the entire Italian Renaissance.

This is as good a time as any to tell you...

I have you colored in smart-guy burnt orange, and I used to have your label as "Smart guy" with some other details I've forgotten, possibly about Canada and/or biology. A few months ago, I changed that to "Smart guy slowly descending into madness". You either need to drink less, drink more, do fewer drugs, or do more drugs, because whatever you're doing now is seriously hurting the clarity of your posts.


I've got him as "Jesus f*cking Christ won't stop typing", its been that way for a year now.

/grey3
 
2014-02-05 07:03:00 AM  

whosits_112: Valiente: The gods must be crazy.

/obs.?

CLICK!
/Translation: NO!


Thats one local language I have never even begun to be able to learn. Damara Nama is easier and it also has a lot of tongue clicks.

The San are very awesome people tho, always smiling, always super friendly. Best game trackers you will ever find in this part of the world.
 
2014-02-05 07:23:13 AM  

Cerebral Knievel: There was a point in prehistory that Humanity almost died out.. we were down to our last 50,000 humans.. we can all trace our DNA down to those very few humans,




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