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2014-02-04 02:32:03 PM  

weltallica: [static.tvtropes.org image 350x238]


YEAH WELL ALL I CAN SAY IS LIKE WAY TO GO DUDE OR SOMETHING, RIGHT? METALLICOCK RULEZ! F*CKING MADE NAPSTER MY B*TCH, REMEMBER? DID YOU MOTHERF*CKING SEE THAT SH*T? LIKE BACK IN LIKE 2001 AND SH*T? LIKE F*CKIN GOSPEL, AM I RIGHT DUDE? TOLD YA SO. WE F*CKING KILLED GNUCLEUS, LIMEWIRE, BEARSHARE, F*CKING GROKSTER, MORPHEUS, MADSTER, EDONKEY, AND MOTHERF*CKING LIKE AUDIOGALAXY.

homepage.eircom.net
 
2014-02-04 02:45:31 PM  

Farkhole: durbnpoisn: I don't see FTFA what this has to do with Metallica.

But, man, this brings me back.  I remember in high school, when Metallica first came out.  Ride the Lightning was all the talk.  My personal favorite was And Justice for All.  After that, they went a little weird.

They somehow managed to garner a whole new fan base, though.  What I find disturbing is how they more or less changed completely their view on their work.  They went from being tremendously cool dudes who didn't care for fame and fortune, and how it was all about the music to, "We are going more commercial, and we will laugh all the way to the bank."

Setting all that aside.  I've seen them live a handful of times.  No matter what their more commercial loving fans say, they are terrible.  Even in what I consider to be their best of times, they were not tight, out of tune, and repeatedly messed up on stage.  But people still love them...

So, I don't get it either.

It's because your more metal than everyone else.  Kill all posers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y24MmylTeY4


omg!  That's so funny, and so true.

I really am that thrash guy that is still a huge fan of bands like Slayer, Morbid Angel, Testament, Anthrax, Pantera, etc etc etc...  And even I sometimes cringe seeing all the stereotypical people that are their fans.
Oh well...  Everyone gets made fun of.  :)
 
2014-02-04 03:05:19 PM  
(You are still correct about Metallica's abilities as a live band, durbnpoisn, they suck.)
 
2014-02-04 03:12:09 PM  

The_Original_Roxtar: Apocalyptica does metallica better than metallica ever did
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x97f-_y93a0


Everyone who has ever covered Metallica does Metallica better than Metallica.

I've maintained, for many years now, that the only reason Metallica has to exist is to write songs for someone else to cover, in a way that doesn't suck.

Machine Head
Bullet for my Valentine
vanCanto
Mastadon
The Mighty Mighty Bostones
4 Cellists
The guys who did the bluegrass covers of Metallica

The list just goes on.  And every cover better than the original.
 
2014-02-04 03:57:35 PM  
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2014-02-04 04:30:57 PM  

Agent Smiths Laugh: [rambly-ramblings.2308065.n4.nabble.com image 350x377]


Yeah, not so much. You can feel free to like them if you want. I just don't and won't be liking them along with you, because they are a large part of the erosion of our fair use rights. They are the Disney of the music world, in other words -- and you're equally an idiot if you like Disney.

And their music also sucks.
 
2014-02-04 04:47:54 PM  

durbnpoisn: Someone mentioned that their downfall was the death of Cliff Burton.  I think that may have been the start of it.  But much of And Justice for All was probably written before that happened.  And that really had nothing to do with Cliff either way.  Other than perhaps, his integrity likely would not have allowed for the Black Album to have every occured.

Even in the old days, Lars and James wrote everything.  James played all the rythm guitar in the studio (this is why they sound so tight in the studio.  James is a great rythm player.  Kurt, no so much).

This is my view on the first 5 albums:
Kill em All:  Great for the time.  But really very simple and silly in retrospect.
Ride the Lightning: Groundbreaking for the time.  Still much of it is great.  Still pretty simple.  But there are some really great tacks on this one.
Master of Puppets: This is where the really showed some massive songwriting skill.  And still very raw sounding, which gave us thrash lovers more to love.
And Justice for All:  The pinnacle of their songwriting talent.  Far more progressive and well thought out.  However, many people complained that the production was too thin and clean sounding.  This may be true.  I, for one, loved it!
Black Album:  What the hell happened here?!  It really seemed like they had nothing more to offer and just wrote any simple crap that came to mind.

All of this is nothing more than my opinion, obviously.


That was me commenting on Cliff Burton and Metallica's downfall.  He's credited with helping write 6 of the 8 tracks on Ride the Lightning, 1 on their first, 3 on Master (including the title track), and 1 on And Justice.  While Hatfield and Ulrich are credited on almost all the songs, it seems that most of their good or popular songs have a 3rd or 4th writer attached to it, usually Burton, Mustaine, or Hammett.  I'm a bassist and he's one of my favorites.  My favorite is a tie between Ryan Martinie (Mudvayne) and Paul McCartney (The Beatles).

100% agree with that integrity part.
 
2014-02-04 05:25:09 PM  

mansonozz: [media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com image 236x420]


Funny thing is the metal detector didn't go off, they're just giving him the wand to make him feel better for losing his edge in old age.
 
2014-02-04 05:27:40 PM  
I saw them 4 times starting on the Puppets tour with Ozzy and lastly during Justice.  They were farkING AWESOME in those days.  Best band in the world, easily.  Since then Slayer passed them, imo, but still great.
 
2014-02-04 06:56:04 PM  

gweilo8888: Agent Smiths Laugh: [rambly-ramblings.2308065.n4.nabble.com image 350x377]

Yeah, not so much. You can feel free to like them if you want. I just don't and won't be liking them along with you, because they are a large part of the erosion of our fair use rights. They are the Disney of the music world, in other words -- and you're equally an idiot if you like Disney.

And their music also sucks.


By calling people idiots for liking things you don't, you are indeed living up to the meme.
 
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2014-02-04 07:52:34 PM  

durbnpoisn: Someone mentioned that their downfall was the death of Cliff Burton.  I think that may have been the start of it.  But much of And Justice for All was probably written before that happened.  And that really had nothing to do with Cliff either way.  Other than perhaps, his integrity likely would not have allowed for the Black Album to have every occured.

Even in the old days, Lars and James wrote everything.  James played all the rythm guitar in the studio (this is why they sound so tight in the studio.  James is a great rythm player.  Kurt, no so much).

This is my view on the first 5 albums:
Kill em All:  Great for the time.  But really very simple and silly in retrospect.
Ride the Lightning: Groundbreaking for the time.  Still much of it is great.  Still pretty simple.  But there are some really great tacks on this one.
Master of Puppets: This is where the really showed some massive songwriting skill.  And still very raw sounding, which gave us thrash lovers more to love.
And Justice for All:  The pinnacle of their songwriting talent.  Far more progressive and well thought out.  However, many people complained that the production was too thin and clean sounding.  This may be true.  I, for one, loved it!
Black Album:  What the hell happened here?!  It really seemed like they had nothing more to offer and just wrote any simple crap that came to mind.

All of this is nothing more than my opinion, obviously.



a mistake too many bands make is making their music more complex because they have the money to blow on more studio frills. the frills are typically not what got them the money to spend on the frills.

either way, I blame bob rock ... it was all his fault
 
2014-02-04 08:50:24 PM  

Agent Smiths Laugh: By calling people idiots for liking things you don't, you are indeed living up to the meme.


No, I'm not. I'm not telling them to stop being idiots -- that would be like telling the world to stop turning. I'm merely labeling them -- and presumably you, given your vocal opposition -- as what they are.
 
2014-02-04 11:20:02 PM  
This was the case where a white guy was waiting in his car in a convenience store parking lot. He thought the car full of black kids next to him was playing their music too loud. They had words, he decided that they had guns so he opened fire. I think that they ended up not having guns. I also don't think they were listening to Metallica.
 
2014-02-05 01:31:02 AM  

Farkhole: It's because your more metal than everyone else.


That's awesome as all fark.
 
2014-02-05 01:46:35 AM  

gweilo8888: the erosion of our fair use rights


Hahahahahaha yeah okay. "It's not stealing since you're making a copy," right?

I don't use iTunes, so I don't know about them, but Amazon sells DRM-free MP3s for pretty cheap. I'm an album guy, and an MP3 album costs around $8. (I was paying as much as $20 for a single goddamn CD when I was in high school, so things have gotten a lot better there.) I have them on my home computer. I have them on my work computer. I put tracks and albums on my old phone dozens of times and done the same thing with my new phone. I've also burned CDs dozens of times for when I had a CD player but no aux jack for my phone. I use these MP3s however the hell I want, and since I paid for them, the copyright holders are happy AND I don't have to worry about viruses from sketchy P2P services.

Yes, Lars is an infamous farking douche, but stopped clocks are right twice a day. Napster, Limewire, et. al. needed to die. "Music for free because the Internet" is and always was bullshiat.
 
2014-02-05 06:09:46 AM  

Fuggin Bizzy: gweilo8888: the erosion of our fair use rights

Hahahahahaha yeah okay. "It's not stealing since you're making a copy," right?

I don't use iTunes, so I don't know about them, but Amazon sells DRM-free MP3s for pretty cheap. I'm an album guy, and an MP3 album costs around $8. (I was paying as much as $20 for a single goddamn CD when I was in high school, so things have gotten a lot better there.) I have them on my home computer. I have them on my work computer. I put tracks and albums on my old phone dozens of times and done the same thing with my new phone. I've also burned CDs dozens of times for when I had a CD player but no aux jack for my phone. I use these MP3s however the hell I want, and since I paid for them, the copyright holders are happy AND I don't have to worry about viruses from sketchy P2P services.

Yes, Lars is an infamous farking douche, but stopped clocks are right twice a day. Napster, Limewire, et. al. needed to die. "Music for free because the Internet" is and always was bullshiat.


The problem is the way they went about it. They basically sued their fans. (Which led to the RIAA literally doing so.) They went after Universities and forced them to censor their traffic. I absolutely agree that they were entitled to a cut of the advertising revenue Napster was getting or have them shut down failing that, but this was the same band that actively encouraged fans to do exactly what they were doing. But somehow it was different because it was mp3s instead of cassettes.
 
2014-02-05 11:50:40 AM  

The hopeless imp: The problem is the way they went about it. They basically sued their fans. (Which led to the RIAA literally doing so.) They went after Universities and forced them to censor their traffic. I absolutely agree that they were entitled to a cut of the advertising revenue Napster was getting or have them shut down failing that, but this was the same band that actively encouraged fans to do exactly what they were doing. But somehow it was different because it was mp3s instead of cassettes.


What he said. Fair Use was well-established and clear; they muddied the water and sued the very people who made them what they are. And that affected more people than just those doing the downloading. As it so happens, I barely even used Napster beyond trying it once to see what the fuss was all about. Had a roommate who used it regularly, but I still preferred to buy CDs myself. However, by muddying the water Metallica eroded *my* fair-use rights, too.

Disney, incidentally, have a different and even more farked up strategy. Theirs involves having the law changed retrospectively to extend copyright, essentially into perpetuity. They buy off politicians and have them, essentially, steal from the public. Works that many Americans were promised would be public property in their own lifetime will now likely not be public property even in the lifetimes of their kids or grandkids.

Two levels of evil, but you expect corporations to be evil. You don't expect bands to be evil -- but as Metallica goes, they are.
 
2014-02-05 02:29:10 PM  

gweilo8888: Agent Smiths Laugh: By calling people idiots for liking things you don't, you are indeed living up to the meme.

No, I'm not. I'm not telling them to stop being idiots -- that would be like telling the world to stop turning. I'm merely labeling them -- and presumably you, given your vocal opposition -- as what they are.


One cannot be an idiot for a subjective taste.

I suppose by your standards anyone who likes a food you don't like is an idiot as well.

In your arrogance you are very small.
 
2014-02-05 03:34:15 PM  

Agent Smiths Laugh: One cannot be an idiot for a subjective taste.

I suppose by your standards anyone who likes a food you don't like is an idiot as well.

In your arrogance you are very small.


You're hilarious. It is not a "subjective taste" when one trades away their basic rights for entertainment.

And you couldn't have chosen a much worse example, either -- I'm extremely open-minded about food (and for that matter, most things -- except human rights and fairness, that is.)

What you *have* made clear is that you're the kind of idiot who doesn't care about their rights. Which is fine for you, but me, I'd rather have rights than vapid entertainment.
 
2014-02-05 07:23:01 PM  

gweilo8888: Agent Smiths Laugh: One cannot be an idiot for a subjective taste.

I suppose by your standards anyone who likes a food you don't like is an idiot as well.

In your arrogance you are very small.

You're hilarious. It is not a "subjective taste" when one trades away their basic rights for entertainment.

And you couldn't have chosen a much worse example, either -- I'm extremely open-minded about food (and for that matter, most things -- except human rights and fairness, that is.)

What you *have* made clear is that you're the kind of idiot who doesn't care about their rights. Which is fine for you, but me, I'd rather have rights than vapid entertainment.


Enjoying a sound and agreeing with an artist's viewpoints are not the same thing. That's like saying you can't stand LA Confidential and especially James Cromwell's role because he's an off the rails PETA advocate. You can maintain that Cromwell's a douche you'd never shake hands with and still enjoy his acting chops.

In the case of Metallica, you may certainly find their musical skill and/or output to be dreck in addition to agreeing with their policies and politics. But merging them together is of the same mindset as rabid partisanship and conspiracy theory (ie. horrendous confirmation bias and logical fallacy mongering).

You're arguing with Agent Smiths Laugh about what constitutes good music by how a band operates its business and fanbase. That's potato right there.
 
2014-02-05 10:04:51 PM  

JohnnyApocalypse: Enjoying a sound and agreeing with an artist's viewpoints are not the same thing. That's like saying you can't stand LA Confidential and especially James Cromwell's role because he's an off the rails PETA advocate. You can maintain that Cromwell's a douche you'd never shake hands with and still enjoy his acting chops.


Not even remotely similar. Metallica's policies are directly related to the music, not incidental to it. It's not that Metallica are making music, but suing people over eating shark's fin soup. They are -- or rather, were -- suing them over the music itself.

To borrow and hone your example, it would be more akin to Cromwell occasionally stepping out of character to scream "Stop killing the fluffy animals" mid-show. I have a feeling your opinions would differ, were he to do that.

When it relates to the way the artist packages the music -- "We don't care if you're fans who buy loads of our shiat, we will sue the fark out of you if you exercise your fair use rights" -- then the music itself is harmed.
 
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