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2014-02-04 10:41:33 AM  
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2014-02-04 10:42:38 AM  
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2014-02-04 11:02:30 AM  
"There's a saying Milo: If it's too loud, you're too old!"

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2014-02-04 11:02:58 AM  
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2014-02-04 11:04:36 AM  
IT'S NOT A TUMAH!!

I mean...

IT'S NOT THE MUSIC!
 
2014-02-04 11:04:51 AM  
What the fark does this case have to do with Metallica?
 
2014-02-04 11:05:56 AM  
If it Load or Re-Load, he should get off.
 
2014-02-04 11:06:07 AM  

karmaceutical: What the fark does this case have to do with Metallica?


Lars? You're a Farker
 
2014-02-04 11:06:35 AM  
What the fark does this have to do with Mordor?
 
2014-02-04 11:07:24 AM  
I don't see FTFA what this has to do with Metallica.

But, man, this brings me back.  I remember in high school, when Metallica first came out.  Ride the Lightning was all the talk.  My personal favorite was And Justice for All.  After that, they went a little weird.

They somehow managed to garner a whole new fan base, though.  What I find disturbing is how they more or less changed completely their view on their work.  They went from being tremendously cool dudes who didn't care for fame and fortune, and how it was all about the music to, "We are going more commercial, and we will laugh all the way to the bank."

Setting all that aside.  I've seen them live a handful of times.  No matter what their more commercial loving fans say, they are terrible.  Even in what I consider to be their best of times, they were not tight, out of tune, and repeatedly messed up on stage.  But people still love them...

So, I don't get it either.
 
2014-02-04 11:07:53 AM  
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2014-02-04 11:08:17 AM  
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2014-02-04 11:08:38 AM  

nekom: [farm4.staticflickr.com image 342x500]


One of my favorite pictures on the internet.
 
2014-02-04 11:10:54 AM  

durbnpoisn: they were not tight, out of tune, and repeatedly messed up


Which is maybe why they changed after And Justice for All.  So that they had some chance of playing live without sounding like shi@t.
 
2014-02-04 11:13:19 AM  
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2014-02-04 11:14:21 AM  

durbnpoisn: No matter what their more commercial loving fans say, they are terrible. ... But people still love them...

So, I don't get it either.


Easy: obviously, everyone's wrong but you.
 
2014-02-04 11:16:36 AM  
Anyone notice that tfa's URL is all caps for the story portion?
 
2014-02-04 11:19:24 AM  

Fuggin Bizzy: durbnpoisn: No matter what their more commercial loving fans say, they are terrible. ... But people still love them...

So, I don't get it either.

Easy: obviously, everyone's wrong but you.


Ok.  In matters of opinion, that sometimes happens.  But still...  It doesn't change the facts of the matter, that they are a terrible band live.  That's not a matter of opinion.  They really are terrible.

I sometimes think that much of their "newer" fan base consists of people saying that they love heavy metal music, and use Metallica as an example to validate that point.  And, really, they are not the example of heavy metal music that they once were.  Again...  That's not a matter of opinion.
 
2014-02-04 11:21:21 AM  
Huh?
WHAT?!
 
2014-02-04 11:22:31 AM  
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Ryan Gosling gets it
 
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2014-02-04 11:22:37 AM  
Old white Floridian murder "stands his ground" s a black teenager over loud music?
Yeah, I'm guessing it wasn't Metallica.
 
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2014-02-04 11:25:41 AM  

mootmah: Anyone notice that tfa's URL is all caps for the story portion?


Anyone else notice that tfa is a shiatty AP release about a minor procedure relating to jury selection?
 
2014-02-04 11:27:15 AM  

Bf+: Old white Floridian murder "stands his ground" s a black teenager over loud music?
Yeah, I'm guessing it wasn't Metallica.


At first I was going to say it would be cool if it was, but then I thought about it and will say that it would've been brutal.
 
2014-02-04 11:28:05 AM  
It was probably that hippity hoppity stuff, not Metallica.
 
2014-02-04 11:29:01 AM  
Everything you need to know about Metallica: Talentless shills for the record companies who did more than any other band to try and cling onto a broken business model, no matter how much they hurt their own fans in the process.

If you listen to them, you're an idiot.
 
2014-02-04 11:34:44 AM  
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2014-02-04 11:37:30 AM  

gweilo8888: If you listen to them, you're an idiot.


www.howardstern.com
 
2014-02-04 11:40:04 AM  
Megadeth is the better band

/yes Mustaine is a total douche, I think everybody gets that
//Met David Ellefson after a show in Va in 2010. Great guy, very cool and humble
 
2014-02-04 11:45:03 AM  

durbnpoisn: It doesn't change the facts of the matter, that they are a terrible band live. That's not a matter of opinion.


inigomontoya.jpg

Your opinion is that Metallica is a terrible band live. Which is fine, but that doesn't make it a fact.

/No, it doesn't. Stop arguing with me.
 
2014-02-04 11:50:03 AM  

durbnpoisn: Fuggin Bizzy: durbnpoisn: No matter what their more commercial loving fans say, they are terrible. ... But people still love them...

So, I don't get it either.

Easy: obviously, everyone's wrong but you.

Ok.  In matters of opinion, that sometimes happens.  But still...  It doesn't change the facts of the matter, that they are a terrible band live.  That's not a matter of opinion.  They really are terrible.

I sometimes think that much of their "newer" fan base consists of people saying that they love heavy metal music, and use Metallica as an example to validate that point.  And, really, they are not the example of heavy metal music that they once were.  Again...  That's not a matter of opinion.


You obviously haven't seen their half-assed morning show:

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2014-02-04 11:53:24 AM  

Committee_For_Aesthetic_Deletions: [pics.blameitonthevoices.com image 400x506]


This is always the debate:

Was the Black Album itself a sell-out album and is therefore bad, or was it the results of the success of the album which is the sell-out?

Because the Black Album is closer to the 'first four' than the ones after (Load, etc).
 
2014-02-04 12:02:44 PM  

durbnpoisn: Fuggin Bizzy: durbnpoisn: No matter what their more commercial loving fans say, they are terrible. ... But people still love them...

So, I don't get it either.

Easy: obviously, everyone's wrong but you.

Ok.  In matters of opinion, that sometimes happens.  But still...  It doesn't change the facts of the matter, that they are a terrible band live.  That's not a matter of opinion.  They really are terrible.

I sometimes think that much of their "newer" fan base consists of people saying that they love heavy metal music, and use Metallica as an example to validate that point.  And, really, they are not the example of heavy metal music that they once were.  Again...  That's not a matter of opinion.


What bothered me at the show I went to was them a) playing medleys of their own songs ("Medleys? MEDLEYS? Just make a farking set list and play it!") and b) the band insulting audience members who didn't feel like moshing in front of the stage. Suffice to say, I've only paid to see them once.
 
2014-02-04 12:04:10 PM  

Fuggin Bizzy: durbnpoisn: It doesn't change the facts of the matter, that they are a terrible band live. That's not a matter of opinion.

inigomontoya.jpg

Your opinion is that Metallica is a terrible band live. Which is fine, but that doesn't make it a fact.

/No, it doesn't. Stop arguing with me.


No.  I will not.

Out of tune.  Not tight.  Messing up so badly they have to stop the song.
Those all equate to a band that is terrible live.

That is not an opinion.
 
2014-02-04 12:08:06 PM  

LemSkroob: Committee_For_Aesthetic_Deletions: [pics.blameitonthevoices.com image 400x506]

This is always the debate:

Was the Black Album itself a sell-out album and is therefore bad, or was it the results of the success of the album which is the sell-out?

Because the Black Album is closer to the 'first four' than the ones after (Load, etc).


The Black Album taken on its own is not terrible, however it signaled the beginning of the end of Metallica as an influential metal band.  Everything they've done since has been terrible other than the Mercyful Fate medley on Garage Inc.

I listened to Master of Puppets (on tape!) for the first time in years last week and it is indeed a masterpiece.  You can not deny that Metallica was once great but they've been going through the motions for 20 years.

As for their live shows, I've seen them twice and both times were in the early 90s and I thought it was great.  Metal shows are so farking loud that you can't tell if they are screwing up and if you are one of those a-holes who just stands there with your arms folded looking for something to be critical of then you are a dick.

Love them or hate them Metallica is still not worth killing a teenager over though.
 
2014-02-04 12:08:17 PM  

LemSkroob: Committee_For_Aesthetic_Deletions: [pics.blameitonthevoices.com image 400x506]

This is always the debate:

Was the Black Album itself a sell-out album and is therefore bad, or was it the results of the success of the album which is the sell-out?

Because the Black Album is closer to the 'first four' than the ones after (Load, etc).


I was pretty young when the Black Album was released, was the first Metallica I was exposed to, I never really have cared for it, and it wasn't just friends playing it out, I genuinely didn't care for it.  It was my first Metallica album so I pretty much judged them by that and never really gave the others a chance, new or old.  That said, once I got older I listened to the first 4 and they're on a whole other level than Black Album+.  IMO, Metallica's biggest problem was when the Bassist died --> that's when their sound changed for the bad.  ...And Justice For All has some good songs on it, but it's just not the same as the first 3.....Ride the Lightning is, IMHO, they're best album, and Call of Ktulu being the best song (no vocals.....).
 
2014-02-04 12:22:41 PM  
Someone just needed some fresh stem cells.

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2014-02-04 12:43:06 PM  
Apocalyptica does metallica better than metallica ever did
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x97f-_y93a0
 
2014-02-04 12:45:36 PM  

durbnpoisn: Fuggin Bizzy: durbnpoisn: It doesn't change the facts of the matter, that they are a terrible band live. That's not a matter of opinion.

inigomontoya.jpg

Your opinion is that Metallica is a terrible band live. Which is fine, but that doesn't make it a fact.

/No, it doesn't. Stop arguing with me.

No.  I will not.

Out of tune.  Not tight.  Messing up so badly they have to stop the song.
Those all equate to a band that is terrible live.

That is not an opinion.


Was that one show that you happened to be at? Did it happen to be during the St. Anger era? Or do these things happen at every Metallica show?

Because I saw them in 2009 on the World Magnetic tour, and it was the exact opposite of what you've described here.

You can dislike them if you want; I'm not trying to change your mind - but strongly held opinions aren't facts.
 
2014-02-04 12:49:13 PM  
Someone mentioned that their downfall was the death of Cliff Burton.  I think that may have been the start of it.  But much of And Justice for All was probably written before that happened.  And that really had nothing to do with Cliff either way.  Other than perhaps, his integrity likely would not have allowed for the Black Album to have every occured.

Even in the old days, Lars and James wrote everything.  James played all the rythm guitar in the studio (this is why they sound so tight in the studio.  James is a great rythm player.  Kurt, no so much).

This is my view on the first 5 albums:
Kill em All:  Great for the time.  But really very simple and silly in retrospect.
Ride the Lightning: Groundbreaking for the time.  Still much of it is great.  Still pretty simple.  But there are some really great tacks on this one.
Master of Puppets: This is where the really showed some massive songwriting skill.  And still very raw sounding, which gave us thrash lovers more to love.
And Justice for All:  The pinnacle of their songwriting talent.  Far more progressive and well thought out.  However, many people complained that the production was too thin and clean sounding.  This may be true.  I, for one, loved it!
Black Album:  What the hell happened here?!  It really seemed like they had nothing more to offer and just wrote any simple crap that came to mind.

All of this is nothing more than my opinion, obviously.
 
2014-02-04 12:55:03 PM  
Rindred:

What bothered me at the show I went to was them a) playing medleys of their own songs ("Medleys? MEDLEYS? Just make a farking set list and play it!") and b) the band insulting audience members who didn't feel like moshing in front of the stage. Suffice to say, I've only paid to see them once.

Medleys can be done well, depending on what/how it's done.  If the medley is slipping sections of more-obscure stuff into instrumental passages of more well-known songs, that's kind of cool for superfans (that track from the first album that they've never played live? You just heard 30 seconds of it, and they know you're about to pee yourself you're so excited).  If they've released a shiat-ton of albums and can't possibly get to everything they're expected to play during their set, it makes sense to do a medley of some of their "signature" songs, especially if they're pressed for time (like, say they're playing a 45 minute set at a festival show or something...that makes sense).  But if they're a big enough draw that they could get away with playing two full sets every night, and they do a medley just because they can, that kinda sucks.  I mean, I can kind of see it if it's a bunch of songs they're sick of playing, they have no life left in them anymore, but the audience is paying just to see these songs live (which is kind of the problem with bands that continue to tour when they have no new material to promote, or at least the new material sucks).

tl;dr: Yeah, they probably suck live, but I'm not going to pay money to find out

/still feels weird going back and watching/listening to the Freddie Mercury Tribute Concert, and noticing that while everybody else was making their performances all about Freddie or Queen, Metallica made theirs all about Metallica
//my perception
///still weird, though
 
2014-02-04 12:57:18 PM  

Fuggin Bizzy: durbnpoisn: Fuggin Bizzy: durbnpoisn: It doesn't change the facts of the matter, that they are a terrible band live. That's not a matter of opinion.

inigomontoya.jpg

Your opinion is that Metallica is a terrible band live. Which is fine, but that doesn't make it a fact.

/No, it doesn't. Stop arguing with me.

No.  I will not.

Out of tune.  Not tight.  Messing up so badly they have to stop the song.
Those all equate to a band that is terrible live.

That is not an opinion.

Was that one show that you happened to be at? Did it happen to be during the St. Anger era? Or do these things happen at every Metallica show?

Because I saw them in 2009 on the World Magnetic tour, and it was the exact opposite of what you've described here.

You can dislike them if you want; I'm not trying to change your mind - but strongly held opinions aren't facts.


They only had to stop playing once that I saw.  But I saw them get lost and confused every time I saw them.  This goes back to the And Justice for All and Master of Puppets tours (where the opened for Ozzy).

I see what you're saying about my stating my opinion about what I thought of the shows.  Because, I guess you're right...  It's totally possible for a band to make loads of mistakes, but people still LOVED the show.  And that really is a matter of opinion.
 
2014-02-04 12:58:35 PM  
The shiat-tastic mix on AJFA ruins it for me.The songs are good, but they sound terrible. I keep hoping they'll re-master and re-release it.

/Yes I know...guitar hero remix...
 
2014-02-04 01:15:37 PM  

Bf+: Old white Floridian murder "stands his ground" s a black teenager over loud music?
Yeah, I'm guessing it wasn't Metallica.


RACIST
 
2014-02-04 01:42:06 PM  
Getting back to article...
(ahem)
So the facts are thin. Had to look this case up. Here's what goes down. Black youths parked outside of convenience store. El Dickbaggo comes driving up after a wedding reception to go to said convenience store. Here's "music" and tells the youths to turn it down. They do. A little. Comes back and tells them to turn it down again. (something something, details in court case) Pulls out gun and fires into car. Takes off. License plate tracked. Cops haul him in. He claims stand your ground.

So, because this man had a conceal and carry, he felt justified in telling kids to turn their music down. Things go sideways and he kills one of them. Florida, you really do have some problems here.

Also, for the crap between AJFA and Death Magnetic... let it go. I've been there. I turned away. But you know what? It's a free country. Free for you to hate on Metallica in whatever incarnation. Free to tell the rest of us about it. Free to wear you jeans below your ass like an idjit. And free to like/love Metallica in whatever incarnation. And just because you CAN rail against a band you don't like, it doesn't mean you're gonna sound smart when you can't let it go.
 
2014-02-04 01:44:47 PM  

JohnnyApocalypse: Getting back to article...
(ahem)
So the facts are thin. Had to look this case up. Here's Hears what goes down. Black youths parked outside of convenience store. El Dickbaggo comes driving up after a wedding reception to go to said convenience store. Here's "music" and tells the youths to turn it down. They do. A little. Comes back and tells them to turn it down again. (something something, details in court case) Pulls out gun and fires into car. Takes off. License plate tracked. Cops haul him in. He claims stand your ground.

So, because this man had a conceal and carry, he felt justified in telling kids to turn their music down. Things go sideways and he kills one of them. Florida, you really do have some problems here.

Also, for the crap between AJFA and Death Magnetic... let it go. I've been there. I turned away. But you know what? It's a free country. Free for you to hate on Metallica in whatever incarnation. Free to tell the rest of us about it. Free to wear you jeans below your ass like an idjit. And free to like/love Metallica in whatever incarnation. And just because you CAN rail against a band you don't like, it doesn't mean you're gonna sound smart when you can't let it go. <screed>

 
2014-02-04 01:46:17 PM  

JohnnyApocalypse: JohnnyApocalypse: Getting back to article...
(ahem)
So the facts are thin. Had to look this case up. Here's what goes down. Black youths parked outside of convenience store. El Dickbaggo comes driving up after a wedding reception to go to said convenience store. Hears "music" ...



/Jesus save me from rotsky
 
2014-02-04 01:47:25 PM  
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2014-02-04 02:05:39 PM  

durbnpoisn: I don't see FTFA what this has to do with Metallica.

But, man, this brings me back.  I remember in high school, when Metallica first came out.  Ride the Lightning was all the talk.  My personal favorite was And Justice for All.  After that, they went a little weird.

They somehow managed to garner a whole new fan base, though.  What I find disturbing is how they more or less changed completely their view on their work.  They went from being tremendously cool dudes who didn't care for fame and fortune, and how it was all about the music to, "We are going more commercial, and we will laugh all the way to the bank."

Setting all that aside.  I've seen them live a handful of times.  No matter what their more commercial loving fans say, they are terrible.  Even in what I consider to be their best of times, they were not tight, out of tune, and repeatedly messed up on stage.  But people still love them...

So, I don't get it either.


It's because your more metal than everyone else.  Kill all posers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y24MmylTeY4
 
2014-02-04 02:23:37 PM  
Metallica lovers are part of the rudimentary reading class of music fandom.
 
2014-02-04 02:30:48 PM  

durbnpoisn: I don't see FTFA what this has to do with Metallica.

But, man, this brings me back.  I remember in high school, when Metallica first came out.  Ride the Lightning was all the talk.  My personal favorite was And Justice for All.  After that, they went a little weird.

They somehow managed to garner a whole new fan base, though.  What I find disturbing is how they more or less changed completely their view on their work.  They went from being tremendously cool dudes who didn't care for fame and fortune, and how it was all about the music to, "We are going more commercial, and we will laugh all the way to the bank."

Setting all that aside.  I've seen them live a handful of times.  No matter what their more commercial loving fans say, they are terrible.  Even in what I consider to be their best of times, they were not tight, out of tune, and repeatedly messed up on stage.  But people still love them...

So, I don't get it either.


gweilo8888: Everything you need to know about Metallica: Talentless shills for the record companies who did more than any other band to try and cling onto a broken business model, no matter how much they hurt their own fans in the process.

If you listen to them, you're an idiot.


doctor wu: Metallica lovers are part of the rudimentary reading class of music fandom.


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