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(ClubCall)   Manchester United may not only miss out on Champion's League money next season, they may also be forced to cancel their pre-season money makers in the US   (clubcall.com) divider line 50
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2014-02-04 08:44:15 AM
Is it really money-makers or just publicity? I thought the international tours were about building fanbase long-term.
 
2014-02-04 08:54:03 AM

SmackLT: Is it really money-makers or just publicity? I thought the international tours were about building fanbase long-term.


Which would qualify as a moneymaker. Selling jerseys and other myriad things.
 
2014-02-04 08:54:47 AM
Excellent.
 
2014-02-04 08:56:14 AM
(Placing my tin-foil hat on before posting)  What are the chances that City throw the match against Sunderland just to fark with United???
 
2014-02-04 08:57:08 AM
If Brian France ran the Champions League, he would have found a way to get MU into the late rounds.
 
2014-02-04 09:07:25 AM

Princip's Sandwich: SmackLT: Is it really money-makers or just publicity? I thought the international tours were about building fanbase long-term.

Which would qualify as a moneymaker. Selling jerseys and other myriad things.


Well yeah, of course there will be some. My point is that I thought the tour was more about long-term building of the fanbase, rather than coming to the US because they needed the money they'd make from gate receipts and merchandise.
 
2014-02-04 09:12:51 AM

jpo2269: (Placing my tin-foil hat on before posting)  What are the chances that City throw the match against Sunderland just to fark with United???


If they weren't suddenly chasing Arsenal, I could consider this possibility.
 
2014-02-04 09:13:57 AM

OtherLittleGuy: If Brian France ran the Champions League, he would have found a way to get MU into the late rounds.


Goals during Fergie Time would count for double.
 
2014-02-04 09:22:35 AM

Nadie_AZ: jpo2269: (Placing my tin-foil hat on before posting)  What are the chances that City throw the match against Sunderland just to fark with United???

If they weren't suddenly chasing Arsenal, I could consider this possibility.


I don't think it would be likely even if City was topping the table with six points clear, to be honest. City's only concerned with City.
 
2014-02-04 09:23:22 AM
This is my first year being near a city that a tour goes near so I'm going whether or not MAN U is there. Hoping MAN City will get Phily as a host city for the ICC
 
2014-02-04 09:35:55 AM

jpo2269: (Placing my tin-foil hat on before posting)  What are the chances that City throw the match against Sunderland just to fark with United???


Not a chance, no club ever "throws" a match to fark with a rival when a trophy is on the line. Success of managers is determined by trophies, so no matter what it might be, the club will want silverware.
 
2014-02-04 09:37:07 AM

eagles95: This is my first year being near a city that a tour goes near so I'm going whether or not MAN U is there. Hoping MAN City will get Phily as a host city for the ICC


United played Barca in DC in 2011. That was an epic cracking time. A bunch of New York Reds drove down, and had a massive sing-song at the end of the match. Can't wait to do it again this summer.
 
2014-02-04 09:48:01 AM
I'm still convinced they will get a Europa League spot through UEFA Fair Play (if they want it). If this whole scenario were to happen, and I think it's too far out to tell, then I wouldn't be surprised to see them put pressure on moving the dates of the qualifying rounds closer to September. When it finally affects them, they care. Something like Chelsea/Tottenham and the 4th spot from a few years ago.

But I find the whole thing amusing as a supporter of a club who consistently starts European play in July.
 
2014-02-04 09:52:53 AM
I would drive 500 miles without complaint to see Man U. No question.
 
2014-02-04 09:53:33 AM

OtherLittleGuy: If Brian France ran the Champions League, he would have found a way to get MU into the late rounds.


Like this?
http://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/season=2014/matches/
 
2014-02-04 09:54:23 AM

PowerSlacker: OtherLittleGuy: If Brian France ran the Champions League, he would have found a way to get MU into the late rounds.

Like this?
http://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/season=2014/matches/


If Sunderland could, Olympiakos can.
 
2014-02-04 10:00:29 AM

PowerSlacker: OtherLittleGuy: If Brian France ran the Champions League, he would have found a way to get MU into the late rounds.

Like this?
http://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/season=2014/matches/


Yes, United getting Olympiakos certainly means the fix is in, I mean, Chelsea getting Galatasaray is fine, but United getting Olympiakos, man those UEFA guys must just love United.
 
2014-02-04 10:09:39 AM
Yeah, see, this is the thing, United. You can do all the global brand-building you want, but you still have to take care of business back home. You don't get to play Real Madrid and Juventus and Bayern Munich if you don't take care of Norwich City and West Brom first.
 
2014-02-04 10:10:29 AM
Galatasaray is a tougher draw than Olympiakos. Both will be tough to play away, but Olympiakos doesn't have Sneijder or Drogba
 
2014-02-04 10:19:38 AM

Gosling: Yeah, see, this is the thing, United. You can do all the global brand-building you want, but you still have to take care of business back home. You don't get to play Real Madrid and Juventus and Bayern Munich if you don't take care of Norwich City and West Brom first.


Oh really? Ask Liverpool if that has ever hindered whoring their global brand.

Cajnik: Galatasaray is a tougher draw than Olympiakos. Both will be tough to play away, but Olympiakos doesn't have Sneijder or Drogba


They HAD Mitroglou, but Fulham bought him in the winter. THE FIX IS IN, MEULENSTEEN BOUGHT MITROGLOU JUST TO HELP UNITED!!
 
2014-02-04 10:26:13 AM
It's nice to see all the United haters come out of the woodwork on the one down season United has.
 
2014-02-04 10:29:13 AM

Cajnik: I'm still convinced they will get a Europa League spot through UEFA Fair Play (if they want it). If this whole scenario were to happen, and I think it's too far out to tell, then I wouldn't be surprised to see them put pressure on moving the dates of the qualifying rounds closer to September. When it finally affects them, they care. Something like Chelsea/Tottenham and the 4th spot from a few years ago.

But I find the whole thing amusing as a supporter of a club who consistently starts European play in July.


A Fair Play spot, remember, means they'd have to enter at the very first qualifying round. Just for fun, here's how that turned out for the three Fair Play teams this year:

MARIEHAMN (Finland): Lost 3-1 in first qualifying round to Inter Baku (Azerbaijan) 
GEFLE (Sweden): Beat Narva Trans (Estonia) 8-1, beat Anorthosis (Cyprus) 4-3, lost 3-0 in third qualifying round to Qarabag (Azerbaijan)
TROMSO (Norway): Beat Celje (Slovenia) 3-2, beat Inter Baku (Azerbaijan) 2-1, beat Differdange 03 (Luxembourg) 1-1 on penalties, lost 3-2 in play-off round to Besiktas (Turkey). Tromso was readmitted after Besiktas was thrown out in a domestic corruption scandal. Finished last in Group K, containing Tottenham Hotspur (Engand), Anzhi Makhachkala (Russia), Sheriff Tiraspol (Moldova), tying 1-1 with Sheriff and losing the other five games.
 
2014-02-04 10:35:37 AM

TonnageVT: Oh really? Ask Liverpool if that has ever hindered whoring their global brand.


Since 1996, Liverpool's only missed out on Europe in 2000, 2012 and this season. Six of their last eight European outings have lasted at least 12 matches.
 
2014-02-04 10:52:37 AM

Stimied in a Rut: It's nice to see all the United haters come out of the woodwork on the one down season United has.


They have to get it in while they can, won't last long.
 
2014-02-04 10:54:01 AM

Gosling: A Fair Play spot, remember, means they'd have to enter at the very first qualifying round. Just for fun, here's how that turned out for the three Fair Play teams this year:


Good point, usually they suck but Fulham's run in 2011 was via Fair Play. It got them into the group stage starting from the first round.

They would politely turn it down anyway. After all, it's "only" the second best European cup (until you win it *cough* Chelsea)
 
2014-02-04 10:57:59 AM

TonnageVT: Stimied in a Rut: It's nice to see all the United haters come out of the woodwork on the one down season United has.

They have to get it in while they can, won't last long.


Did Moyes resign/get sacked while I wasn't paying attention?
 
2014-02-04 10:58:49 AM
I just found the most recent Fair Play rankings. As of the close of 2013, Finland, Norway and Sweden lead (as usual; the Nordic countries dominate Fair Play). England is ranked 5th.

The full rankings (the first number is the coefficient; the number after it is how many UEFA matches have been played by that country; you need 30 in order to qualify):

1 Finland- 8.244, 49
2 Norway- 8.240, 75
3 Sweden- 8.171, 81

4 France- 8.157, 99
5 England- 8.144, 125
6 Netherlands- 8.106, 84
7 Denmark- 8.069, 73
8 Estonia- 8.048, 42
9 Scotland- 8.047, 65
10 Czech Republic- 8.045, 65
11 Ukraine- 7.995, 77
12 Germany- 7.992, 125
13 Spain- 7.991, 125
14 Ireland- 7.985, 41
15 Romania- 7.975, 79
16 Switzerland- 7.974, 82
17 Iceland- 7.956, 49
18 Belgium- 7.951, 78
19 Northern Ireland- 7.948, 40
20 Austria- 7.945, 82
21 Portugal- 7.915, 90
22 Faroe Islands- 7.898, 36
23 Hungary- 7.891, 47
24 Poland- 7.866, 62
25 Turkey- 7.836, 69
26 Bosnia/Herzegovina- 7.815, 51
27 Serbia- 7.793, 62
28 Montenegro- 7.767, 38
29 Israel- 7.751, 55
30 Italy- 7.749, 113
30 Slovakia- 7.749, 55
32 Croatia- 7.745, 66
33 Russia- 7.737, 109
34 Latvia- 7.734, 37
35 Slovenia- 7.714, 49
36 Kazakhstan- 7.707, 60
37 Wales- 7.689, 38
38 Belarus- 7.666, 54
39 Lithuania- 7.649, 41
40 Bulgaria- 7.633, 62
41 Moldova- 7.612, 47
42 Malta- 7.609, 30
43 Macedonia- 7.566, 35
44 Greece- 7.546, 65
45 Albania- 7.487, 43
46 Azerbaijan- 7.412, 44
47 Cyprus- 7.394, 47
48 Georgia- 7.390, 42
--------------------------------------------------
49 Armenia- 7.743, 27
50 Liechtenstein- 7.667, 13
51 Gibraltar- 7.601, 6
52 Luxembourg- 7.541, 24
53 San Marino- 7.085, 20
54 Andorra- 7.037, 21
 
2014-02-04 11:02:11 AM
Never understood the appeal of watching a bunch of Europeans on vacation kicking a ball around.
 
2014-02-04 11:05:51 AM
Have any of you delightfully deluded conspiracy theorists checked where United are in the Premier League's fair play table?
 
2014-02-04 11:06:58 AM

689908: Have any of you delightfully deluded conspiracy theorists checked where United are in the Premier League's fair play table?


I believe that no longer matters. I think now the Fair Play spots just go to the next team down the league table.
 
2014-02-04 11:07:08 AM

PowerSlacker: OtherLittleGuy: If Brian France ran the Champions League, he would have found a way to get MU into the late rounds.

Like this?
http://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/season=2014/matches/


I'm sure you said the same thing this time last year.
 
2014-02-04 11:08:08 AM

Gosling: England is ranked 5th.


And England still has teams playing in Europe in the Spring. They could still move up.

Finland head UEFA's Respect Fair Play rankings, based on all UEFA competition matches played at club and national-team levels from 1 May 2013 to 30 April 2014.

Ah but they are not going to get it anyway http://espnfc.com/stats/fairplay/_/league/eng.1/barclays-premier-leag u e?cc=5739
 
2014-02-04 11:09:09 AM

Gosling: 689908: Have any of you delightfully deluded conspiracy theorists checked where United are in the Premier League's fair play table?

I believe that no longer matters. I think now the Fair Play spots just go to the next team down the league table.


Citation?
 
2014-02-04 11:13:28 AM

Stimied in a Rut: It's nice to see all the United haters come out of the woodwork on the one down season United has.


oh, we're always here. you just usually can't see us through all your smug.
 
2014-02-04 11:21:55 AM

689908: Citation?


(checks)

Oh, hell, I had it reversed. I was thinking the old system was the new system and vice versa. You're right.

Here's the English Fair Play table. Manchester United ranks 17th, and is below the 8.00 threshold required to even qualify (15th-placed Aston Villa is the last qualifying team.) As of right now, the spot would go to Tottenham Hotspur, with Liverpool, Manchester City and Arsenal being skipped as they're already qualifying for Europe.
 
2014-02-04 11:28:27 AM
Man U are screwed.

1) SAF knew his roster was old and slow so he got out while he was on top.
2) Evra, Vidic and Rio can't keep up anymore.
3) Rafeal, Evans, Smalling and Jones are solid younger guys who can play, but too much is being asked of them, which leads me to point number 4.
4) The midfield is horrid.
5) Carrick can't do everything, even though he had has to fill in at CB twice already this season. Cleverly is overwhelmed. Fellani doesn't even make the bench, shich boggles my mind as he probably is their best hope at solidifying the midfield. Mata/Kagawa/Janjauz are all the same player, someone who needs service from the CM because he doesn't like going back to help on defense, this is where Fellani is needed. Giggs is a zoombie.
6) The wingers aren't good enough to create on their own hence the reliance on Mata/Kagawa/Janjew to help create from the midfield by being pushed higher on the pitch. Nani doesn't make the bench at times. Young plays and he isn't any good at it. Also neither know how to track back and help on defense.
7) Strikers RvP and Rooney are genuine world class players, but they are constantly hurt. RvP had one year at Arsenal when he wasn't hurt and parlayed that into a massive Man U contract. Rooney has to fill in the midfield a lot due to the lack of support there, which he does willingly and he is actually good at it. However do you really want Rooney playing midfield?
8) Transfers to date have been Fellani and Mata. Both were massively expensive and if played together they would be a good tandem playing off of each other's strengths. However as I mentioned above Fellani doesn't play. Cleverly wants to go forward while Carrick is being asked to play the CDM role to cover for the all out attack of the players above him and the wear is showing.
9) Future transfers rumored are Toni Kroos, Luke Shaw and a slew of other midfielders. Kroos isn't leaving Bayren Munich ever and Shaw doesn't want to leave Southampton yet as he wants to play every day, which he will do in Southampton, but isn't garunteed that at Man U.
10) Summary - Too much emphasis has been put on the attacking side of the field and not enough into the CM and Defense. This is the area that most pundits have been saying is the thinest for years. The purchase of Fellani looked to be a step in the right direction, which makes his lack of playing time that much more puzzeling. As far as the defense, there have been rumors of a number of CB's to date. We'll see who gets brought in. Vidic and Rio are both leaving in the summer so someone will have to be brought in. Mata was a luxary purchase that while helpful only exasperates the current failings of the roster. The good thing is that the next best player in Man U's youth system is a CM Nick Powell. Hopefully he'll be able to contribute next year.
11) Best possible lineup in my admittedly limited opinion.
ST-RvP, CF-Rooney, LWG-Mata, RWG-Janjuuuuz, CM-Carrick, CDM-Fellani, LB-Evra, CB-Evans, CB-Jones, RB-Rafael, GK-DeHea this gives you the bench of Kagawa, Cleverly, Young, Chicarito, Vidic/Rio, Smalling, backup GK.

/please offer any opinions on this as I don't follow Man U enough to know the relationships internal to the club.
//I have no idea how to spell Janjjjjauzzzzz
 
2014-02-04 11:29:06 AM

socalnewwaver: Stimied in a Rut: It's nice to see all the United haters come out of the woodwork on the one down season United has.

oh, we're always here. you just usually can't see us through all your smug trophies.


FTFY
 
2014-02-04 11:38:57 AM

Shadow Blasko: I would drive 500 miles without complaint to see Man U. No question.


I would walk 500 miles and I would walk 500 more just to be the man who walked 1000 miles to see Hibs.
 
2014-02-04 11:50:28 AM
balfourk: Man U are screwed.

1) SAF knew his roster was old and slow so he got out while he was on top.
 - His roster was "old and slow", And they still marched away with the title last year. He's known he's been without a midfield for a few years, he got by with Scholes and he used his forwards effectively.

2) Evra, Vidic and Rio can't keep up anymore.
- Rio, yes, but Evra and Vidic are still good backs, albeit, mistake-prone and injury-prone respectively.

3) Rafeal, Evans, Smalling and Jones are solid younger guys who can play, but too much is being asked of them, which leads me to point number 4.
4) The midfield is horrid.

 - Totally agree there, but I believe Moyes will make the right moves in the summer to improve the midfield. He brought in Mata to help with the attack, and he's made specific points about improving the midfield.

5) Carrick can't do everything, even though he had has to fill in at CB twice already this season. Cleverly is overwhelmed. Fellani doesn't even make the bench, shich boggles my mind as he probably is their best hope at solidifying the midfield. Mata/Kagawa/Janjauz are all the same player, someone who needs service from the CM because he doesn't like going back to help on defense, this is where Fellani is needed. Giggs is a zoombie.
 - Again, good point about Carrick, but remember, he's been called on playing CB due to injury, not choice. Fellaini has been out since November due to surgery, but is on his way back. Mata isn't a CM, neither is Kagawa, they're both attacking players. Januzaj has been the brightest spot on the roster this season for United, but he's a winger, not a CM. Carrick would thrive in almost like a Scholes type of role, controlling the tempo and distributing the ball, if we had that extra CM.

6) The wingers aren't good enough to create on their own hence the reliance on Mata/Kagawa/Janjew to help create from the midfield by being pushed higher on the pitch. Nani doesn't make the bench at times. Young plays and he isn't any good at it. Also neither know how to track back and help on defense.
 - Once again, Januzaj has been one of the best players this season, and he's only 18. He's only going to get better with time and experience. Nani has been injured for quite a while now. Ashley Young will be gone in the summer, along with Valencia and probably Nani.

7) Strikers RvP and Rooney are genuine world class players, but they are constantly hurt. RvP had one year at Arsenal when he wasn't hurt and parlayed that into a massive Man U contract. Rooney has to fill in the midfield a lot due to the lack of support there, which he does willingly and he is actually good at it. However do you really want Rooney playing midfield?
 - With the addition of Mata, Rooney no longer has to play that deep anymore. Once United get a quality CM in the summer, his role will be even more so as the number 10 position. RVP has been hurt, but even if he wasn't, like you said, he wasn't getting any support. I think Mata brings that support, and energizes the forward ball movement. If wingers like Valencia and Januzaj keep playing to their potential, along with Rooney, Mata and RVP, the attack could be one of the best in the league.

8) Transfers to date have been Fellani and Mata. Both were massively expensive and if played together they would be a good tandem playing off of each other's strengths. However as I mentioned above Fellani doesn't play. Cleverly wants to go forward while Carrick is being asked to play the CDM role to cover for the all out attack of the players above him and the wear is showing.
 - Fellaini was a panic buy in which United overpaid way too much for Fellaini, when he could have been bought for, at least, 4million cheaper earlier. Mata was a necessary move, and worth the money. I'm glad they didn't spend more in the January transfer, because they definitely would have been paying more. I honestly believe they'll land a quality CM in the summer at the right price.

9) Future transfers rumored are Toni Kroos, Luke Shaw and a slew of other midfielders. Kroos isn't leaving Bayren Munich ever and Shaw doesn't want to leave Southampton yet as he wants to play eve ...
 - Kroos won't even talk to Bayern, depending on how things go between now and May, United have a really good chance of signing him in the summer. Not so sure about Shaw's position, but once again, if United land him, it would be a gem of a signing.

So I hardly think United are screwed. This season may be a write-off, but hoping we can make fourth place, but the summer will be even more interesting. Ideally, I'd like to see United with this kind of lineup as the primary lineup next season...

----RVP-----Rooney---
j---------Mata--------
Januzaj-------Quality CM (Kroos please)
-----------Carrick--------------
Evra----Jones-----Evans------Rafael
-----------DeGea------------------------
 
2014-02-04 12:44:05 PM
Hands off Kroos, he's ours!

The "riff" between him and Bayern is fake, made up by the media. He's been the most consistent fixture in the roster since Pep's arrival and will be rewarded with a new contract at the higher wages he deserves.
 
2014-02-04 01:06:35 PM
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2014-02-04 01:38:33 PM
TonnageVT

If you think Mata and Januazj are your Wingers, which I agree with, then why would you want Rooney and RvP playing up top together? Wouldn't you want Rooney underneath so that Mata and Januazj can make slashing runs from the outside? Your post has Man U playing a 4-1-2-1-2 which doesn't seam to utilize either Mata or Januazj as actual Wingers. I suggested a 4-2-3-1 formation where Mata and Januazj play outside. Wouldn't that be a better utilization of your players?
 
2014-02-04 01:48:58 PM

balfourk: TonnageVT

If you think Mata and Januazj are your Wingers, which I agree with, then why would you want Rooney and RvP playing up top together? Wouldn't you want Rooney underneath so that Mata and Januazj can make slashing runs from the outside? Your post has Man U playing a 4-1-2-1-2 which doesn't seam to utilize either Mata or Januazj as actual Wingers. I suggested a 4-2-3-1 formation where Mata and Januazj play outside. Wouldn't that be a better utilization of your players?


Mata isn't a winger, he would play best just off of Rooney or RVP. Essentially, leading the ball movement up the middle and having Rooney or RVP as the forwards to finish or finishing himself. Januzaj would be on the wing, and another CM that can control the ball, up on the other wing with someone like Rafa making the runs from the outside, or feeding the ball.

There have been times this season when Kagawa has played just off of Rooney, and it has resulted in goals, but Kagawa has never actually found his niche with the club. If he can't find a way to improve to his Dortmund days, I'm sure Moyes will send him on his way as a part of a package in the summer.
 
2014-02-04 02:17:06 PM

TonnageVT: balfourk: TonnageVT

If you think Mata and Januazj are your Wingers, which I agree with, then why would you want Rooney and RvP playing up top together? Wouldn't you want Rooney underneath so that Mata and Januazj can make slashing runs from the outside? Your post has Man U playing a 4-1-2-1-2 which doesn't seam to utilize either Mata or Januazj as actual Wingers. I suggested a 4-2-3-1 formation where Mata and Januazj play outside. Wouldn't that be a better utilization of your players?

Mata isn't a winger, he would play best just off of Rooney or RVP. Essentially, leading the ball movement up the middle and having Rooney or RVP as the forwards to finish or finishing himself. Januzaj would be on the wing, and another CM that can control the ball, up on the other wing with someone like Rafa making the runs from the outside, or feeding the ball.

There have been times this season when Kagawa has played just off of Rooney, and it has resulted in goals, but Kagawa has never actually found his niche with the club. If he can't find a way to improve to his Dortmund days, I'm sure Moyes will send him on his way as a part of a package in the summer.


Mata and David Silva formed a pretty awesome Winger combo back at Vallencia a few years back. Surely he can do that again. Whichever Moyes does will be interesting to watch. I'm a Gunner, but I do respect Man U and I want them to do well, just not against Arsenal. The only team that I truly want to see lose is Spurs.

I love the fact that I can have football/soccer discussions on Fark. If I mention it in my office I am considered gay.
 
2014-02-04 02:50:46 PM
Laudrup's been sacked.

Manchester United have been mismanaged financially for quite some time, but they've gotten away with it because they've had SAF at the helm and wins trump balance sheets. Now that they don't, they're exposed. But the brand is big enough that they'll survive this no matter what happens with their season. A few years like this though, and I'd be very worried.
 
2014-02-04 03:01:15 PM

OtherLittleGuy: If Brian France ran the Champions League, he would have found a way to get MU into the late rounds.


If Brian France ran the Champions League he'd be murdered within the month.
 
2014-02-04 03:28:04 PM
ADubs86: Laudrup's been sacked.

Stunning, but they've underperformed. You can blame the Europa League all you want, but they still should be better than they've been.

As for Man Utd, if they have another match or two like on Saturday; this will become a legitimate worry. Their only saving grace is the unsteadiness of Liverpool, Everton and Spurs. And only 1 of those three teams have to visit Old Trafford.
 
2014-02-04 03:30:46 PM

ADubs86: Laudrup's been sacked.


Farewell Perfect Hair. Hope he gets a good job elsewhere and that Swansea survive. Europa League has taken a toll.
 
2014-02-04 07:18:09 PM

jpo2269: (Placing my tin-foil hat on before posting)  What are the chances that City throw the match against Sunderland just to fark with United???


Having United playing Thursday night games would probably fark with them more than having them not in Europe.
 
2014-02-05 11:27:25 AM

balfourk: I love the fact that I can have football/soccer discussions on Fark. If I mention it in my office I am considered gay.


Eh, I don't care. I'm not sure which is worse: an office full of people that don't know and don't care about European football, or an office full of people who do. Talking about it with another fan: cool. Having to listen to Marjorie in accounting bray stupid and uniformed opinions about the glory of Leeds United: horrifying
 
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