nmrsnr: Saiga410: Take race out of it.No.Saiga410: So you are saying that you are going to take my kid and bus him across town so he can go to a poor performing school because...... NO he is going to stay in the good school.Because the other school is poor performing because this country screwed them over left, right, and center for about a century, and we have to start fixing it.Saiga410: So you are saying you want to implode the poor performing schools and try to average out the performance across the boards.... but my school is the better performing ones, so you are trying to drop the performance of my school? No, increase the performance of the lower ones, dont drop mine.Your school is only better because we've been treating your kids liked pampered angels while treating their kids like crap. That's not fair at all, we're just trying to level the playing field. Don't like it? Tough. Your kid is getting the same education he was before, don't worry about how the other kids are doing.
nmrsnr: The last point is the most confusing one, since he admits that black schools were unquestionably worse than white schools, but railed against BOTH shutting down black schools to send the kids to white schools, AND forcing kids from white schools to attend black schools.
nmrsnr: vpb: I grew up in Alabama and while it may not have worked out perfectly up North I think it was a pretty good policy after all.Which is amusing, because after bashing busing for like a thousand words, the author admits as much:"Back in my old high school in Birmingham, white parents fought to stop the school bus. The district judge in the case eventually ruled that while black students would be bused into the school system, white students would not be required to bus to black schools. With that half-victory, my town gave up and begrudgingly took its medicine. Busing proceeded without incident and stayed in place at our school for nearly four decades. Today, the school is almost 10 percent black and-more important-you'll find most of those kids sitting all over the cafeteria. And this is in a suburb of Birmingham, at a school whose official school flag used to be the Confederate Battle Flag."His argument basically boils down to 1) In sprawling metro areas like Detroit, it's prohibitively expensive, 2) After Nixon packed the court with pro-segregation Justices, busing was neutered, and 3) White people were never going to accept sending their kids to black schools, so why bother trying?The last point is the most confusing one, since he admits that black schools were unquestionably worse than white schools, but railed against BOTH shutting down black schools to send the kids to white schools, AND forcing kids from white schools to attend black schools.
Lost Thought 00: When people argue this, without a realistic alternative, all I hear is people longing for the days before Brown
Pocket Ninja: I think it's less "this columnist actually believes that" and more "this columnist had a multi-part feature to write and understands that taking a slightly unorthodox view that's not utterly indefensible will get him more attention."
Nabb1: vpb: Lots of people think that. It harms racial harmony by encouraging them to get all uppity.So, that's your takeaway from reading the article?
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