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(Slate)   By forcing "busing" of blacks and whites, Liberals failed race and hurt the concept of integration. Yes, this columnist actually believes that   (slate.com) divider line 12
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2014-02-04 09:21:38 AM  
2 votes:
When people argue this, without a realistic alternative, all I hear is people longing for the days before Brown
2014-02-04 08:15:31 AM  
2 votes:
I think it's less "this columnist actually believes that" and more "this columnist had a multi-part feature to write and understands that taking a slightly unorthodox view that's not utterly indefensible will get him more attention."
2014-02-04 01:32:49 PM  
1 votes:

nmrsnr: Saiga410: Take race out of it.

No.

Saiga410: So you are saying that you are going to take my kid and bus him across town so he can go to a poor performing school because...... NO he is going to stay in the good school.

Because the other school is poor performing because this country screwed them over left, right, and center for about a century, and we have to start fixing it.

Saiga410: So you are saying you want to implode the poor performing schools and try to average out the performance across the boards.... but my school is the better performing ones, so you are trying to drop the performance of my school? No, increase the performance of the lower ones, dont drop mine.

Your school is only better because we've been treating your kids liked pampered angels while treating their kids like crap. That's not fair at all, we're just trying to level the playing field. Don't like it? Tough. Your kid is getting the same education he was before, don't worry about how the other kids are doing.


I understand your comment, but this is kind of where it went of the rails in reality. People were not willing to have their own kids sent to worse schools. I'm a parent and I wouldn't support bussing my kid a long distance to a worse school, or even an equal one.
2014-02-04 11:12:04 AM  
1 votes:
How about we just fund all schools equally nationwide?  Everybody pays taxes, just pool the money and each school gets the same amount per student.

Wait, that wouldn't work. Then the teachers would fight for jobs in some up-scale areas and the more blighted areas would only be left with sub-standard teachers.

Is there a way to get all the schools to provide the same opportunity that people won't complain about?
2014-02-04 09:48:15 AM  
1 votes:

nmrsnr: The last point is the most confusing one, since he admits that black schools were unquestionably worse than white schools, but railed against BOTH shutting down black schools to send the kids to white schools, AND forcing kids from white schools to attend black schools.


Take race out of it.

So you are saying that you are going to take my kid and bus him across town so he can go to a poor performing school because......  NO he is going to stay in the good school.

So you are saying you want to implode the poor performing schools and try to average out the performance across the boards.... but my school is the better performing ones, so you are trying to drop the performance of my school?  No, increase the performance of the lower ones, dont drop mine.
2014-02-04 09:29:47 AM  
1 votes:

nmrsnr: vpb: I grew up in Alabama and while it may not have worked out perfectly up North I think it was a pretty good policy after all.

Which is amusing, because after bashing busing for like a thousand words, the author admits as much:

"Back in my old high school in Birmingham, white parents fought to stop the school bus. The district judge in the case eventually ruled that while black students would be bused into the school system, white students would not be required to bus to black schools. With that half-victory, my town gave up and begrudgingly took its medicine. Busing proceeded without incident and stayed in place at our school for nearly four decades. Today, the school is almost 10 percent black and-more important-you'll find most of those kids sitting all over the cafeteria. And this is in a suburb of Birmingham, at a school whose official school flag used to be the Confederate Battle Flag."

His argument basically boils down to 1) In sprawling metro areas like Detroit, it's prohibitively expensive, 2) After Nixon packed the court with pro-segregation Justices, busing was neutered, and 3) White people were never going to accept sending their kids to black schools, so why bother trying?

The last point is the most confusing one, since he admits that black schools were unquestionably worse than white schools, but railed against BOTH shutting down black schools to send the kids to white schools, AND forcing kids from white schools to attend black schools.


His thesis is basically "There was no good answer, the answer we came up with was imperfect, therefore it failed despite it being the least imperfect answer available at the time."

Frankly, it's all a bunch of overly sociologically introspective hand-wringing with little recognition of the problems presented by race relations before integration or just to what extent they were terrible. When a problem is so thoroughly ingrained and completely farked, there is no "good" answer, only an answer that inches us in the right direction so the good one eventually becomes feasible.
2014-02-04 09:27:35 AM  
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Lost Thought 00: When people argue this, without a realistic alternative, all I hear is people longing for the days before Brown


This. I'm a liberal but I can definitely see why busing, while well-intentioned, was a very badly executed concept and am not surprised by the negative reception that it had from most groups.

That being said, it is funny that the most vocal critics of busing never ever offer an alternative solution to the issue and their only position was just to let the status quo stand. Kind of the 1970s version of "FIX OLD, NO NEW!"
2014-02-04 09:26:09 AM  
1 votes:

Pocket Ninja: I think it's less "this columnist actually believes that" and more "this columnist had a multi-part feature to write and understands that taking a slightly unorthodox view that's not utterly indefensible will get him more attention."


Today's media, folks. "Doesn't matter what I write, really, as long as we can sell ads on it - if they show up out of morbid curiosity to view a multi-page train wreck, well, that page view counts just as much as if they showed up out of intellectual curiosity to view an insightful discussion. The train wreck's easier to write, so, guess what? We're all drunk engineers now! Whoo-whoo!"
2014-02-04 09:24:23 AM  
1 votes:
In elementary school I got bused from a school literally across the street from my house to a half hour away to some shiathole. So I wasn't a fan of busing. I did learn to fight early though.
vpb [TotalFark]
2014-02-04 09:13:27 AM  
1 votes:
Nabb1:

It wasn't my submission. But it's clear you didn't RTFA before taking your shots at it. So, you've certainly contributed a well-thought addition to the discussion.

And BTW, the world doesn't revolve around the North East, and the author and you seem to think.  I grew up in Alabama and while it may not have worked out perfectly up North I think it was a pretty good policy after all.
vpb [TotalFark]
2014-02-04 08:49:15 AM  
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Nabb1: vpb: Lots of people think that.  It harms racial harmony by encouraging them to get all uppity.

So, that's your takeaway from reading the article?


That's my takeaway from most of the people I know who hated school bussing.

/Sorry if I spoiled your submission for you.
vpb [TotalFark]
2014-02-04 08:37:18 AM  
1 votes:
Lots of people think that.  It harms racial harmony by encouraging them to get all uppity.
 
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