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(Time)   Cate Blanchett and Alec Baldwin finally respond to Dylan Farrow's letter regarding Woody Allen's alleged sexual abuse   (entertainment.time.com) divider line 32
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2014-02-04 12:14:35 PM  
4 votes:

frepnog: why does everyone think Mia is the one with problems?

/seriously, I don't know



Let's see if I can present a scenario, based solely on my own speculation. Mia Farrow married Frank Sinatra when she was 19 and he was 50, half his age. Then she moved on to Andre Previn. Then to Woody Allen. I can see a career of star-f**king going on here. You picking up on that at all?
Now, she's no longer the beauty she was and is she is no longer able to sleep her way around Hollywood, or be on the 'A' list. She and her entire family have lost their celebrity status. It's over. Yet, she nor members of her family can move on. Woody has.

Lastly, to top it off, this woman who at one point was married to the most powerful man in show biz, Frank Sinatra, was dropped for a woman half her age. And to top that off, a woman Farrow she brought to this country and legally adopted, and has no relationship with anymore either.

Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.
2014-02-04 10:20:23 AM  
3 votes:

INeedAName: I think Hollywood needs to burn a bit over this. They seem to be pretty insular and protective over some pretty questionable stuff at times and it would be good for some light to get in there and expose some of the crap.


Many of the Hollywood types are in the same crowd that say if a woman claims to have been raped she must be believed, They are normally not so shy in voicing their opinions are matters like this.... unless of course it is of of their own Allen , Polanski, Clinton any Kennedy. Then it becomes not really any of their business or as in the case of Polanski it was not "rape, rape" and excusable.

Do I think Allen is a creepy pervert who I would not trust around kids? Yes. I s he innocent till proven guilty Yes. The actions of Mia and company right now leave me with too much room for reasonable doubt at this point. Allen would not be the first man to be falsely accused thanks to the coaching of a child by a bitter ex.


Is he overrated in his profession. Most definitely.
2014-02-04 09:42:16 AM  
3 votes:

The Muthaship: Alec deserves a pass for this, he was busy abusing his own daughter.


Actually, his response was on point. He doesn't know what the hell went on, and we don't either.
2014-02-04 12:18:36 PM  
2 votes:

kanesays: frepnog: why does everyone think Mia is the one with problems?/seriously, I don't know

Let's see if I can present a scenario, based solely on my own speculation. Mia Farrow married Frank Sinatra when she was 19 and he was 50, half his age. Then she moved on to Andre Previn. Then to Woody Allen. I can see a career of star-f**king going on here. You picking up on that at all?
Now, she's no longer the beauty she was and is she is no longer able to sleep her way around Hollywood, or be on the 'A' list. She and her entire family have lost their celebrity status. It's over. Yet, she nor members of her family can move on. Woody has.

Lastly, to top it off, this woman who at one point was married to the most powerful man in show biz, Frank Sinatra, was dropped for a woman half her age. And to top that off, a woman Farrow she brought to this country and legally adopted, and has no relationship with anymore either.

Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.


So, instead of looking at alleged molestation by this beloved director, we should be examining in great detail one of his past loves?
2014-02-04 11:30:14 AM  
2 votes:
When I was four, my parents and I drove to Cleveland to visit my Godfather, who was my dad's best friend from the Air Force. As soon as we arrived, I was whisked off to the bedroom to take a much-needed nap. I remember being annoyed at this since I wanted to be in the living room where all the action was. But the bed was comfy and the radio was on and I eventually fell asleep.

Before I fell asleep, I heard the song Goodbye Yellow Brick Road by Elton John on the radio. All my life since then, I've associated that song with my Godfather and our trip to Cleveland. This is a very vivid memory... I can close my eyes and remember being in that bed and hearing the chorus to that song as if it was yesterday.

About a month ago I was surfing the internet and I discovered that Goodbye Yellow Brick Road was released in 1973. My trip to Cleveland occurred in 1969. It's therefore impossible that I lay in that bed being lulled to sleep by Goodbye Yellow Brick Road, even though, as I said, I can remember it like it was yesterday.

This CSB is presented as evidence that we really can manufacture memories. It's not meant to support one side or another.
2014-02-04 11:07:57 AM  
2 votes:

s2s2s2: Jizz Master Zero: Roman has gone full throttle and won't shut up about it and here we are.

*Rowan

And...you mean the son of Frank, who Mia conceived while Frank Sr was married? Not to mention the age difference.

Mia is insane. Planting false memories in a child is pretty terrible.


The child is now 28 years old and knows the difference between false and true memories. Until this one letter she's never used a public forum to draw attention to herself. She isn't selling a book, going on TV or making money off of this.

I don't know about you, but I'm willing to take the woman at her word.
2014-02-04 10:25:51 AM  
2 votes:

hasty ambush: Allen would not be the first man to be falsely accused thanks to the coaching of a child by a bitter ex.


and just sometimes....  people actually DO the things people accuse them of, sometimes PRECISELY because they full well know they can get away with it.
2014-02-04 10:05:24 AM  
2 votes:
Oh, ladies.  Who in their right mind would have a problem with free and unlimited access to all of that...Woody...Allen...meatstick?  Just having him writhe over the top of you, pumping away, that loose neck skin flapping in unison with each push of his shaky stick-figure legs, somehow reminding you of anorexic turtles.  And you have to wonder:  Does he take off his socks and glasses?  Would you look?
2014-02-04 09:51:06 AM  
2 votes:
"What the f&@% is wrong w u that u think we all need to b commenting on this family's personal struggle?" he tweeted Sunday. "So you know who's guilty? Who's lying? You, personally, know that?" he continued, adding: "You are mistaken if you think there is a place for me, or any outsider, in this family's issue." He later deleted his responses.

He shouldn't have deleted them. He was spot on.
2014-02-04 09:42:21 AM  
2 votes:
I'll actually give credit to both of them for not taking sides in it, especially Baldwin who is a douchebag of the highest order.
2014-02-04 09:21:54 AM  
2 votes:

Diogenes: You knew me when I was a little girl, Diane Keaton. Have you forgotten me?"

You may have answered your own question, Mia.  Dory Previn knew you, too.  And she ended up in the looney bin as a result.


Mia didn't ask the question, her daughter did.
2014-02-04 07:21:29 PM  
1 votes:

Darth Macho: The child is now 28 years old and knows the difference between false and true memories


Uhh?   It has been proven scientifically that there is a thing called "False Memory Syndrome" in which a person (children are particularly are susceptible) in which a memory can be "implanted" and the person cannot distinguish between the "false" memory and one which was based on reality.

Do you not remember from about a decade or so ago, thousands of men being charged with sexually abusing their children based on the testimony of now adult children who claimed they had memories of such sexual abuse since childhood.  As it turns out and the reason why almost all of these convictions have been overturned in the interim and that is because it was scientifically proven that such memories can be created and implanted by someone attempting to do so.

There's still some adults out there, who as children testified to an alleged string of satanic ritual sex abuse committed by their parents and their parents friends, neighbors, etc.   After 37 people had been convicted, it was finally determined that NO SUCH ABUSE HAD HAPPENED and that all "memories" of such had been implanted by a sheriff's deputy and a social worker in what they claimed were "therapy sessions" with the children.   So we know for a fact now, that there was no mass child abuse, that all of the those sent to prison were innocent and yet, there's still a significant number of those who testified, and who are now adults, still are convinced that it all happened and still refuse contact with their parents.

Just read up on this by searching Kern County or by going online and finding the documentary on the subject.
2014-02-04 04:55:54 PM  
1 votes:

meanmutton: Jizz Master Zero: Can anyone give me an unbiased rundown of this whole thing? I've been able to pick up little details (there was a taped deposition that was suspiciously stopped/started in between every question and answer, the whole thing was thrown out of court for lack of evidence, Mia Farrow has a reputation as a childish psycho), but I have no idea what the full story is and I can't find a concise account anywhere.

Woody Allen married Mia Farrow.  While they were married, he had an affair with Mia Farrow's daughter (Soon Yi).  Mia found out about it, Woody left Mia for Soon Yi, and around this time Dylan Farrow (then 7) claimed that Woody Allen raped her.  Now an adult, Dylan Farrow is sticking to her story.


Slight correction, Allen and Farrow were not legally married.    They were a long time couple, but not married.

Not that I don't still find it incredibly creepy, inappropriate and gross, especially since Sun Yi was 19 when the affair started  (at least Allen claims she was 19 ).
2014-02-04 04:45:32 PM  
1 votes:

BeatrixK: Marisyana: Seriously, I don't understand why anyone would think this kid's father was Frank Sinatra.  Really, no clue whatsoever ...
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Yeah - he was on Real Time's panel the other night - Yeah - Sinatra's DNA is all up in that kids genetic code.


Add in that Woody married Soon-Yi in her twenties, when she would have been quite fertile ... and almost immeditely adopted two kids.  Also Nancy Sinatra has said that Ronan is "a big part" of the Sinatra family's lives.  Why would a kid mothered by your dad's very brief third wife be a big part of your family?  According to the 1993 Vanity Fair article Woody supposedly had next to nothing to do with Ronan either--and this was his only biological child.  Now it kind of makes sense.

The whole thing is creepy.  I have no sympathy for either Woody or Mia.
2014-02-04 03:18:52 PM  
1 votes:

Cletus C.: ZeroCorpse: boyofd: frepnog: boyofd: but I think it looks like, based upon the facts outlined in the dailybeast article, that Woody did not have any sort of relationship with Soon-Yi until she was 19 or 21.

well, except for those naked pics he took when she was 17.

she was 9 when she came over.  To say she had no relationship with Woody is disingenuous at best.

Yeah, the naked pictures would be a problem.  But I'm not aware of them.  Any links?

As for her age when she came to the US, it isn't very relevant if Woody never lived with Mia and never spent the night at her apartment.  Apparently, Mia has admitted that Woody had nothing to do with Soon-Yi until she was at least 18, and that the relationship started when she pushed Woody to become more involved.

/Still really creepy.

No more creepy than a 21-year-old Mia Farrow getting involved with 51-year-old Frank Sinatra. No more creepy than a 24-year-old Mia Farrow getting pregnant by a married 40-year-old Andre Previn and subsequently stealing him away from his wife (her friend, apparently) and driving her mad. CERTAINLY no more creepy than a 42-year-old Farrow cheating on Woody with a 71-year-old Frank Sinatra, getting pregnant, and then telling Woody the child was his.

Pot. Kettle. VERY black.

You've convinced me, that's a free pass for Woody to molest children.



Some people just can't accept facts when they want a good witch hunt.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/01/27/the-woody-allen-all eg ations-not-so-fast.html


Excerpts:

"I know I'm treading a delicate path here, and opening myself up to accusations of "blaming the victim." However, I'm merely floating scenarios to consider, and you can think what you will. But if Mia's account is true, it means that in the middle of custody and support negotiations, during which Woody needed to be on his best behavior, in a house belonging to his furious ex-girlfriend, and filled with people seething mad at him, Woody, who is a well-known claustrophobic, decided this would be the ideal time and place to take his daughter into an attic and molest her, quickly, before a house full of children and nannies noticed they were both missing.

...

Let's back up a bit: Mia's allegations of molestation automatically triggered a criminal investigation by the Connecticut State Police, who brought in an investigative team from the Yale-New Haven Hospital, whose six-month long inquiry (which included medical examinations) concluded that Dylan had  not been molested. I've since read a recurring canard that Woody "chose" the investigative team. Yet nobody has suggested how or why Mia's team would ever outsource the investigation to a team "chosen" by Woody. Others have said that the investigators talked to psychiatrists "on Allen's payroll" before letting him off the hook. The only way I can explain this is that the investigators, naturally, would have spoken with Woody's shrinks before giving him a clean bill of health. So technically, yeah, Woody's shrinks would have been paid a lot of money by Woody over the years. (Let's even call it an annuity.) The same would be true of his dentist, his eye doctor, and his internist. 

As for the evidentiary videotape of young Dylan's claims, it's been noted that there were several starts and stops in the recording, essentially creating in-camera "edits" to the young girl's commentary. This raises questions as to what was happening when the tape wasn't running. Was Mia "coaching" her daughter off-camera, as suggested by the investigators? Mia says no-she merely turned the camera on whenever Dylan starting talking about what Daddy did. Maybe we should take Mia at her word on this. Since I wasn't there, I think it's good policy not to presume what took place.

The videotape and the medical exams weren't the only problems Mia faced in bringing abuse charges against her former lover. There were problems with inconsistencies in her daughter's off-camera narrative as well. ANew York Times article dated March 26, 1993,quotes from Mia's own testimony, during which she recalled taking the child to a doctor on the same day as the alleged incident. Farrow recalled, "I think (Dylan) said (Allen) touched her, but when asked where, she just looked around and went like this," at which point Mia patted her shoulders. Farrow recalls she took Dylan to another doctor, four days later. On the stand, Allen's attorney asked Mia about the second doctor's findings: "There was no evidence of injury to the anal or vaginal area, is that correct?" Farrow answered, "Yes."

In the midst of the proceedings, on February 2, 1993,  a revealing article appeared in the Los Angeles Times,
headlined: "Nanny Casts Doubt on Farrow Charges," in which former nanny Monica Thompson (whose salary was paid by Allen, since three of the brood were also his) swore in a deposition to Allen's attorneys that she was pressured by Farrow to support the molestation charges, and the pressure led her to resign her position. Thompson had this to say about the videotape: ""I know that the tape was made over the course of at least two and perhaps three days. I recall Ms. Farrow saying to Dylan at that time, 'Dylan, what did daddy do... and what did he do next?' Dylan appeared not to be interested, and Ms. Farrow would stop taping for a while and then continue."

Thompson further revealed a conversation she had with Kristie Groteke, another nanny. "She told me that she felt guilty allowing Ms. Farrow to say those things about Mr. Allen. (Groteke) said the day Mr. Allen spent with the kids, she did not have Dylan out of her sight for longer than five minutes. She did not remember Dylan being without her underwear."

On April 20, 1993, a sworn statement was entered into evidence by Dr. John M. Leventhal, who headed the Yale-New Haven Hospital investigative team looking into the abuse charges. An article from the New York Times dated May 4, 1993, includes some interesting excerpts of their findings. As to why the team felt the charges didn't hold water, Leventhal states: "We had two hypotheses: one, that these were statements made by an emotionally disturbed child and then became fixed in her mind. And the other hypothesis was that she was coached or influenced by her mother. We did not come to a firm conclusion. We think that it was probably a combination."

Leventhal further swears Dylan's statements at the hospital contradicted each other as well as the story she told on the videotape. "Those were not minor inconsistencies. She told us initially that she hadn't been touched in the vaginal area, and she then told us that she had, then she told us that she hadn't." He also said the child's accounts had "a rehearsed quality." At one point, she told him, "I like to cheat on my stories." The sworn statement further concludes: "Even before the claim of abuse was made last August, the view of Mr. Allen as an evil and awful and terrible man permeated the household. The view that he had molested Soon-Yi and was a potential molester of Dylan permeated the household... It's quite possible -as a matter of fact, we think it's medically probable-that (Dylan) stuck to that story over time because of the intense relationship she had with her mother." Leventhal further notes it was "very striking" that each time Dylan spoke of the abuse, she coupled it with "one, her father's relationship with Soon-Yi, and two, the fact that it was her poor mother, her poor mother," who had lost a career in Mr. Allen's films. "



There's way more to this, of course, but it seems that the people who just want to spew "he's a pedo!" over and over aren't willing to pay any attention to the facts of the case, the people who know the man, and the words of Dylan's own brother who says that Mia was doing a lot of brainwashing, and that he was around that day and witnessed nothing like what Mia and Dylan described.

But hey, he turned you into a newt, so burn him.
2014-02-04 03:15:09 PM  
1 votes:
ok, fark just kills me.

Woody accused, never convicted of a crime, adult victim maintains abuse occurred - oh Mia is just nuts, let's dig into her past and make her look nuts, she slept around, victim is making it up, WHORE

Zimmerman accused, all evidence supports him, acquitted of a crime - oh Trayvon was innocent, he just liked tea and candy, his past and actions HAVE NO BEARING LEAVE HIM ALONE
2014-02-04 02:09:59 PM  
1 votes:

hasty ambush: But Hollywood and the movie going public does not seem to care given the how they treat the likes Polanski.  I mean they will boycott things like Arizona but one of their own over child rape, not hardly.


Personally, I boycott Polanski's films for that reason. Still not seen The Pianist (I should probably just rip it from a Warez site). He can go and serve his time, then I'll start watching them.

And I could easily boycott Allen's films. I've seen a couple recently. One was bad, one was good, but he's not like Guillermo del Toro or Brad Bird where I have to watch everything they make.

But I'm still not comfortable about these allegations.
2014-02-04 01:10:25 PM  
1 votes:

someonelse: frepnog: faked paternity? who cares?

Sinatra's wife, I imagine.


Also, Allen for having to pay child support

She tried to pass off this kid as Woody Allen's kid.
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And now she is being all coy and saying that it was Sinatra's kid. And if this is the case, which, come on, look at that mug, it would mean she had an affair with Frank while he was still married. And she knew this and yet still made Allen pay for child support for him.

Farrow is a notorious liar who does what she wants. Others be damned.
2014-02-04 12:40:21 PM  
1 votes:
Hey everyone, did you see this yet?
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/01/27/the-woody-allen-alle gations-not-so-fast.html

Did you? Did you?

Getting tired of all of Woody's white knighters posting this link on every thread about this issue. It doesn't 'debunk' the allegations Dylan is making, at all. It's kind of creepy, to be honest.
2014-02-04 12:20:22 PM  
1 votes:
By Occam's Razor, I would guess that in order to extort as much money out of Woody, she poisoned her daughter with lies for so long they both actually believe them by now. Or Woody did it.
2014-02-04 12:05:40 PM  
1 votes:

frepnog: faked paternity? who cares?


Sinatra's wife, I imagine.
2014-02-04 11:51:08 AM  
1 votes:

frepnog: none of that really equals "more than likely has sex with children".


I don't think anyone is accusing Farrow of being a child molester. Just that she's hardly a stable person.
2014-02-04 11:50:17 AM  
1 votes:

Valiente: Serial adopter, known homewrecker, probable faked paternity, sibling who is a convicted kiddie-fiddler she never discusses.


none of that really equals "more than likely has sex with children".

serial adopter?  how is that bad?

what the fark is a "known homewrecker"?  Is that even a thing in hollywood, where they change sex partners more than underwear?

faked paternity?  who cares?

sibling kiddie-fiddler she doesn't discuss?  WHO WOULD?
2014-02-04 11:28:29 AM  
1 votes:

frepnog: why does everyone think Mia is the one with problems?

/seriously, I don't know


Serial adopter, known homewrecker, probable faked paternity, sibling who is a convicted kiddie-fiddler she never discusses.

Hell, she's practically Angelina Jolie. Or Madonna.
2014-02-04 11:22:37 AM  
1 votes:

s2s2s2: Jizz Master Zero: Roman has gone full throttle and won't shut up about it and here we are.

*Rowan


Actually, it is Ronan:

comicattack.net
2014-02-04 11:11:45 AM  
1 votes:

frepnog: why does everyone think Mia is the one with problems?

/seriously, I don't know


Why do you think there can be only one half of a former couple who has problems? Why do you assume "everyone" here thinks the same thing? Why, in a situation as private and murky as this one, would anyone be so ridiculously over-invested as to assume they know what happened?
2014-02-04 11:07:34 AM  
1 votes:
why does everyone think Mia is the one with problems?

/seriously, I don't know
2014-02-04 10:35:13 AM  
1 votes:

Jizz Master Zero: Can anyone give me an unbiased rundown of this whole thing? I've been able to pick up little details (there was a taped deposition that was suspiciously stopped/started in between every question and answer, the whole thing was thrown out of court for lack of evidence, Mia Farrow has a reputation as a childish psycho), but I have no idea what the full story is and I can't find a concise account anywhere.


http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/01/27/the-woody-allen-all eg ations-not-so-fast.html

This is a look at the allegations, with full disclosure of the author being the director of the PBS documentary on Allen.
2014-02-04 10:23:34 AM  
1 votes:
but woody didn't do nothin' wrong.

and even tho it is apparently obvious that he did, he made those movies people like so no one cares.

isn't that the real jist here?  if you are a successful film maker, you can be a pedo no prob?
2014-02-04 10:12:52 AM  
1 votes:

NicoFinn: "What the f&@% is wrong w u that u think we all need to b commenting on this family's personal struggle?" he tweeted Sunday. "So you know who's guilty? Who's lying? You, personally, know that?" he continued, adding: "You are mistaken if you think there is a place for me, or any outsider, in this family's issue." He later deleted his responses.

He shouldn't have deleted them. He was spot on.


He's obviously never encountered either abuse victims or "abuse victims". If he had, he'd know that anyone who doesn't immediately and constantly focus solely on the pain of the victim (or "victim") is "perpetuating the abuse."
2014-02-04 09:43:49 AM  
1 votes:

ChrisDe: The Muthaship: Alec deserves a pass for this, he was busy abusing his own daughter.

Actually, his response was on point. He doesn't know what the hell went on, and we don't either.


Got it.

No more jokes around you.

Sorry!
2014-02-04 09:33:16 AM  
1 votes:
I think Hollywood needs to burn a bit over this. They seem to be pretty insular and protective over some pretty questionable stuff at times and it would be good for some light to get in there and expose some of the crap.
 
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