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2014-02-04 08:36:40 AM  
I'd been waiting with bated breath.
 
2014-02-04 09:04:56 AM  
You knew me when I was a little girl, Diane Keaton. Have you forgotten me?"

You may have answered your own question, Mia.  Dory Previn knew you, too.  And she ended up in the looney bin as a result.
 
2014-02-04 09:21:54 AM  

Diogenes: You knew me when I was a little girl, Diane Keaton. Have you forgotten me?"

You may have answered your own question, Mia.  Dory Previn knew you, too.  And she ended up in the looney bin as a result.


Mia didn't ask the question, her daughter did.
 
2014-02-04 09:23:57 AM  
This is like the Pope giving his opinion about priest's... right?
 
2014-02-04 09:24:00 AM  

eldritch2k4: Diogenes: You knew me when I was a little girl, Diane Keaton. Have you forgotten me?"

You may have answered your own question, Mia.  Dory Previn knew you, too.  And she ended up in the looney bin as a result.

Mia didn't ask the question, her daughter did.


Ah, right.  Then I partially withdraw my comment.  I still believe Mia's a psycho who infects almost everyone she gets close to.  Including her children.
 
2014-02-04 09:24:06 AM  
"Finally"
 
2014-02-04 09:33:02 AM  
Alec deserves a pass for this, he was busy abusing his own daughter.
 
2014-02-04 09:33:16 AM  
I think Hollywood needs to burn a bit over this. They seem to be pretty insular and protective over some pretty questionable stuff at times and it would be good for some light to get in there and expose some of the crap.
 
2014-02-04 09:33:36 AM  

Brick-House: This is like the Pope giving his opinion about priest's... right?


About priest's what?
 
2014-02-04 09:42:16 AM  

The Muthaship: Alec deserves a pass for this, he was busy abusing his own daughter.


Actually, his response was on point. He doesn't know what the hell went on, and we don't either.
 
2014-02-04 09:42:21 AM  
I'll actually give credit to both of them for not taking sides in it, especially Baldwin who is a douchebag of the highest order.
 
2014-02-04 09:43:49 AM  

ChrisDe: The Muthaship: Alec deserves a pass for this, he was busy abusing his own daughter.

Actually, his response was on point. He doesn't know what the hell went on, and we don't either.


Got it.

No more jokes around you.

Sorry!
 
2014-02-04 09:51:06 AM  
"What the f&@% is wrong w u that u think we all need to b commenting on this family's personal struggle?" he tweeted Sunday. "So you know who's guilty? Who's lying? You, personally, know that?" he continued, adding: "You are mistaken if you think there is a place for me, or any outsider, in this family's issue." He later deleted his responses.

He shouldn't have deleted them. He was spot on.
 
2014-02-04 09:54:22 AM  
pretty sure they responded at least 2 days ago
 
2014-02-04 09:56:03 AM  
also:
Using her boobs as sock puppets Lena Dunham tweeted: "To share in this way is courageous, powerful and generous."

If someone whose whole skill set is gratuitous nudity backs someone
That's good enough for me
 
2014-02-04 10:02:53 AM  

Trik: Lena Dunham ...someone whose whole skill set is gratuitous nudity


1.3/10
 
2014-02-04 10:03:12 AM  

ChrisDe: The Muthaship: Alec deserves a pass for this, he was busy abusing his own daughter.

Actually, his response was on point. He doesn't know what the hell went on, and we don't either.


^^ THIS ^^   It's too bad more celebs don't have the sense to respond in the same manner.
 
2014-02-04 10:05:24 AM  
Oh, ladies.  Who in their right mind would have a problem with free and unlimited access to all of that...Woody...Allen...meatstick?  Just having him writhe over the top of you, pumping away, that loose neck skin flapping in unison with each push of his shaky stick-figure legs, somehow reminding you of anorexic turtles.  And you have to wonder:  Does he take off his socks and glasses?  Would you look?
 
2014-02-04 10:06:00 AM  

NicoFinn: "What the f&@% is wrong w u that u think we all need to b commenting on this family's personal struggle?" he tweeted Sunday. "So you know who's guilty? Who's lying? You, personally, know that?" he continued, adding: "You are mistaken if you think there is a place for me, or any outsider, in this family's issue." He later deleted his responses.

He shouldn't have deleted them. He was spot on.


Absolutely.  I don't like Alec Baldwin, but he was 100% correct.
 
2014-02-04 10:09:23 AM  
Can anyone give me an unbiased rundown of this whole thing? I've been able to pick up little details (there was a taped deposition that was suspiciously stopped/started in between every question and answer, the whole thing was thrown out of court for lack of evidence, Mia Farrow has a reputation as a childish psycho), but I have no idea what the full story is and I can't find a concise account anywhere.
 
2014-02-04 10:09:37 AM  
"No WAY did I molest her, I'm not into homely fat white chicks, I'm more into feeding my Asian fever." --Shia LaBeouf
 
2014-02-04 10:12:52 AM  

NicoFinn: "What the f&@% is wrong w u that u think we all need to b commenting on this family's personal struggle?" he tweeted Sunday. "So you know who's guilty? Who's lying? You, personally, know that?" he continued, adding: "You are mistaken if you think there is a place for me, or any outsider, in this family's issue." He later deleted his responses.

He shouldn't have deleted them. He was spot on.


He's obviously never encountered either abuse victims or "abuse victims". If he had, he'd know that anyone who doesn't immediately and constantly focus solely on the pain of the victim (or "victim") is "perpetuating the abuse."
 
2014-02-04 10:17:16 AM  

Jizz Master Zero: Can anyone give me an unbiased rundown of this whole thing? I've been able to pick up little details (there was a taped deposition that was suspiciously stopped/started in between every question and answer, the whole thing was thrown out of court for lack of evidence, Mia Farrow has a reputation as a childish psycho), but I have no idea what the full story is and I can't find a concise account anywhere.


The details that are missing make a huge difference. Has Dylan been tortured with this secret her whole life, or did she go to some wacky shrink who "recovered" a memory of abuse? Without knowing more, I just don't feel comfortable taking one side or the other.
 
2014-02-04 10:20:23 AM  

INeedAName: I think Hollywood needs to burn a bit over this. They seem to be pretty insular and protective over some pretty questionable stuff at times and it would be good for some light to get in there and expose some of the crap.


Many of the Hollywood types are in the same crowd that say if a woman claims to have been raped she must be believed, They are normally not so shy in voicing their opinions are matters like this.... unless of course it is of of their own Allen , Polanski, Clinton any Kennedy. Then it becomes not really any of their business or as in the case of Polanski it was not "rape, rape" and excusable.

Do I think Allen is a creepy pervert who I would not trust around kids? Yes. I s he innocent till proven guilty Yes. The actions of Mia and company right now leave me with too much room for reasonable doubt at this point. Allen would not be the first man to be falsely accused thanks to the coaching of a child by a bitter ex.


Is he overrated in his profession. Most definitely.
 
2014-02-04 10:23:34 AM  
but woody didn't do nothin' wrong.

and even tho it is apparently obvious that he did, he made those movies people like so no one cares.

isn't that the real jist here?  if you are a successful film maker, you can be a pedo no prob?
 
2014-02-04 10:25:51 AM  

hasty ambush: Allen would not be the first man to be falsely accused thanks to the coaching of a child by a bitter ex.


and just sometimes....  people actually DO the things people accuse them of, sometimes PRECISELY because they full well know they can get away with it.
 
2014-02-04 10:35:13 AM  

Jizz Master Zero: Can anyone give me an unbiased rundown of this whole thing? I've been able to pick up little details (there was a taped deposition that was suspiciously stopped/started in between every question and answer, the whole thing was thrown out of court for lack of evidence, Mia Farrow has a reputation as a childish psycho), but I have no idea what the full story is and I can't find a concise account anywhere.


http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/01/27/the-woody-allen-all eg ations-not-so-fast.html

This is a look at the allegations, with full disclosure of the author being the director of the PBS documentary on Allen.
 
2014-02-04 10:36:03 AM  

Jizz Master Zero: Can anyone give me an unbiased rundown of this whole thing? I've been able to pick up little details (there was a taped deposition that was suspiciously stopped/started in between every question and answer, the whole thing was thrown out of court for lack of evidence, Mia Farrow has a reputation as a childish psycho), but I have no idea what the full story is and I can't find a concise account anywhere.


http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/01/27/the-woody-allen-all eg ations-not-so-fast.html
 
2014-02-04 10:36:43 AM  

frepnog: hasty ambush: Allen would not be the first man to be falsely accused thanks to the coaching of a child by a bitter ex.

and just sometimes....  people actually DO the things people accuse them of, sometimes PRECISELY because they full well know they can get away with it.


It's something of a dilemma.
 
2014-02-04 10:37:07 AM  

frepnog: hasty ambush: Allen would not be the first man to be falsely accused thanks to the coaching of a child by a bitter ex.

and just sometimes....  people actually DO the things people accuse them of, sometimes PRECISELY because they full well know they can get away with it.


In any case, calling out people who didn't, under any scenario, have anything to do with your abuse (real or imagined) and dragging them into your sh*t is simply attention-whoring.

Even moreso when the people being called out in public happen to be celebrities.
 
2014-02-04 10:38:45 AM  

frepnog: hasty ambush: Allen would not be the first man to be falsely accused thanks to the coaching of a child by a bitter ex.

and just sometimes....  people actually DO the things people accuse them of, sometimes PRECISELY because they full well know they can get away with it.


Like Bill Murray?
 
2014-02-04 10:39:20 AM  

kanesays: Jizz Master Zero: Can anyone give me an unbiased rundown of this whole thing? I've been able to pick up little details (there was a taped deposition that was suspiciously stopped/started in between every question and answer, the whole thing was thrown out of court for lack of evidence, Mia Farrow has a reputation as a childish psycho), but I have no idea what the full story is and I can't find a concise account anywhere.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/01/27/the-woody-allen-all eg ations-not-so-fast.html

This is a look at the allegations, with full disclosure of the author being the director of the PBS documentary on Allen.


missed it by a minute but no matter, more people in threads like this need to read this article.

 markfara:

He's obviously never encountered either abuse victims or "abuse victims". If he had, he'd know that anyone who doesn't immediately and constantly focus solely on the pain of the victim (or "victim") is "perpetuating the abuse."

this
 
2014-02-04 10:40:12 AM  
Roman Polanski oddly silent on the matter.
 
2014-02-04 10:42:20 AM  

Mad_Radhu: Jizz Master Zero: Can anyone give me an unbiased rundown of this whole thing? I've been able to pick up little details (there was a taped deposition that was suspiciously stopped/started in between every question and answer, the whole thing was thrown out of court for lack of evidence, Mia Farrow has a reputation as a childish psycho), but I have no idea what the full story is and I can't find a concise account anywhere.

The details that are missing make a huge difference. Has Dylan been tortured with this secret her whole life, or did she go to some wacky shrink who "recovered" a memory of abuse? Without knowing more, I just don't feel comfortable taking one side or the other.


That's about the only part of this I do know something about: The allegations came up when Woody Allen and Mia Farrow were fighting for custody of the kids way back when. It was thrown out (seemingly because of some shady details on Farrow's part, this is the main part that I'm unclear on) and hasn't really been dredged up again until Mia made a snarky tweet and Roman went on a Twitter rant after Allen's Golden Globes award a few weeks ago. It seems like Mia is fairly quiet about it beyond her Twitter comment, but Roman has gone full throttle and won't shut up about it and here we are.
 
2014-02-04 10:43:15 AM  

kanesays: Jizz Master Zero: Can anyone give me an unbiased rundown of this whole thing? I've been able to pick up little details (there was a taped deposition that was suspiciously stopped/started in between every question and answer, the whole thing was thrown out of court for lack of evidence, Mia Farrow has a reputation as a childish psycho), but I have no idea what the full story is and I can't find a concise account anywhere.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/01/27/the-woody-allen-all eg ations-not-so-fast.html

This is a look at the allegations, with full disclosure of the author being the director of the PBS documentary on Allen.


Awesome, thanks!
 
2014-02-04 10:51:33 AM  

kanesays: This is a look at the allegations, with full disclosure of the author being the director of the PBS documentary on Allen.


The link speaks well to the stuff about Woody's (now) wife, but adds absolutely no value to the stuff Dylan has accused him of.  It's pure speculation on the author's part.
 
2014-02-04 10:55:46 AM  

Jizz Master Zero: Roman has gone full throttle and won't shut up about it and here we are.


*Rowan

And...you mean the son of Frank, who Mia conceived while Frank Sr was married? Not to mention the age difference.

Mia is insane. Planting false memories in a child is pretty terrible.
 
2014-02-04 10:56:28 AM  

Jizz Master Zero: kanesays: Jizz Master Zero: Can anyone give me an unbiased rundown of this whole thing? I've been able to pick up little details (there was a taped deposition that was suspiciously stopped/started in between every question and answer, the whole thing was thrown out of court for lack of evidence, Mia Farrow has a reputation as a childish psycho), but I have no idea what the full story is and I can't find a concise account anywhere.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/01/27/the-woody-allen-all eg ations-not-so-fast.html

This is a look at the allegations, with full disclosure of the author being the director of the PBS documentary on Allen.

Awesome, thanks!


To add, I keep seeing these quotes pop up in discussions about this case:

Regarding the doctor who testified that no abuse had taken place:

in sworn testimony in the custody case, that he made several mistakes during the course of the investigation. One of those was his false characterization of Dylan's active imagination as a thought disorder.

And this:

On Aug. 4, 1992, a babysitter claims she saw Allen kneeling in front of Dylan, who was sitting on a couch in the den of the Bridgewater home. Dylan was wearing a dress, but no underpants. She stared blankly at the TV screen. The babysitter told authorities she notice that Allen's head was between the girl's legs, very close to her crotch.----- this was corroborated by the babysitter. Found by the judge to be true. The judge bitterly describing Woody Allen as a "self-absorbed, untrustworthy and insensitive" father, a judge in Manhattan yesterday rejected his attempt to win custody of his three children and awarded custody to their mother, Mia Farrow

Aug. 4 incidents, Allen tried to set preconditions for an interview with the state police. One of the preconditions was that any statements made by Allen could not be used to impeach him. The state police did not comply.


But never any source. Does anyone know where these quotes are from or if they are legitimate?
 
2014-02-04 10:59:05 AM  
As Woody once said, "The heart wants what the heart wants."  Whether that be marrying your ex-gf's daughter or molesting your own.
 
2014-02-04 10:59:17 AM  

s2s2s2: Mia is insane.


img.fark.net
 
2014-02-04 11:01:28 AM  
img.fark.net
 
2014-02-04 11:01:45 AM  

mjbok: kanesays: This is a look at the allegations, with full disclosure of the author being the director of the PBS documentary on Allen.

The link speaks well to the stuff about Woody's (now) wife, but adds absolutely no value to the stuff Dylan has accused him of.  It's pure speculation on the author's part.


Not really. The article pretty much lays out the history of the incident, while explicitly refusing to speculate. It also paints Dylan as the victim of abuse... from her mother, Mia Farrow.
 
2014-02-04 11:02:01 AM  

NicoFinn: "What the f&@% is wrong w u that u think we all need to b commenting on this family's personal struggle?" he tweeted Sunday. "So you know who's guilty? Who's lying? You, personally, know that?" he continued, adding: "You are mistaken if you think there is a place for me, or any outsider, in this family's issue." He later deleted his responses.

He shouldn't have deleted them. He was spot on.


Must have been a new sensation for him as a over-sharing celebrity of limited anger management.

Although he was funny in a car with Seinfeld.
 
2014-02-04 11:02:02 AM  

Jizz Master Zero: Mad_Radhu: Jizz Master Zero: Can anyone give me an unbiased rundown of this whole thing? I've been able to pick up little details (there was a taped deposition that was suspiciously stopped/started in between every question and answer, the whole thing was thrown out of court for lack of evidence, Mia Farrow has a reputation as a childish psycho), but I have no idea what the full story is and I can't find a concise account anywhere.

The details that are missing make a huge difference. Has Dylan been tortured with this secret her whole life, or did she go to some wacky shrink who "recovered" a memory of abuse? Without knowing more, I just don't feel comfortable taking one side or the other.

That's about the only part of this I do know something about: The allegations came up when Woody Allen and Mia Farrow were fighting for custody of the kids way back when. It was thrown out (seemingly because of some shady details on Farrow's part, this is the main part that I'm unclear on) and hasn't really been dredged up again until Mia made a snarky tweet and Roman went on a Twitter rant after Allen's Golden Globes award a few weeks ago. It seems like Mia is fairly quiet about it beyond her Twitter comment, but Roman has gone full throttle and won't shut up about it and here we are.


and it's really just... embarrassing at this point. why are they doing this in such a public way? why now? before I read the dailybeast article I was not sure who to believe but after reading it and the detailed way the author lists all of Mia's actions over the years it's pretty obvious who to believe.
 
2014-02-04 11:02:35 AM  
Huh. I wonder if Alec Baldwin gave a noncomittal statement or a profanity-laced tirade?

*clicks*

Yes.

//coulda been worse
 
2014-02-04 11:03:17 AM  

markfara: NicoFinn: "What the f&@% is wrong w u that u think we all need to b commenting on this family's personal struggle?" he tweeted Sunday. "So you know who's guilty? Who's lying? You, personally, know that?" he continued, adding: "You are mistaken if you think there is a place for me, or any outsider, in this family's issue." He later deleted his responses.

He shouldn't have deleted them. He was spot on.

He's obviously never encountered either abuse victims or "abuse victims". If he had, he'd know that anyone who doesn't immediately and constantly focus solely on the pain of the victim (or "victim") is "perpetuating the abuse."


I think the most abusive part are the quotation marks left on the victim's reputation.
 
2014-02-04 11:05:26 AM  

Cletus C.: Roman Polanski oddly silent on the matter.


See if you can talk through a Girl Guide's cookie box!

/hell, I'm going to it.
 
2014-02-04 11:07:34 AM  
why does everyone think Mia is the one with problems?

/seriously, I don't know
 
2014-02-04 11:07:57 AM  

s2s2s2: Jizz Master Zero: Roman has gone full throttle and won't shut up about it and here we are.

*Rowan

And...you mean the son of Frank, who Mia conceived while Frank Sr was married? Not to mention the age difference.

Mia is insane. Planting false memories in a child is pretty terrible.


The child is now 28 years old and knows the difference between false and true memories. Until this one letter she's never used a public forum to draw attention to herself. She isn't selling a book, going on TV or making money off of this.

I don't know about you, but I'm willing to take the woman at her word.
 
2014-02-04 11:08:39 AM  

frepnog: and just sometimes.... people actually DO the things people accuse them of


There. You just said the word sometimes but you clearly mean always and definitely. Fact is we do not know. And we probably never will because it looks like all involved are nuts enough as to be unreliable. And finally, they're the rich and famous. We're the little people. They'll have to work this out themselves. I am no more comfortable letting abuse go unpunished than I am prosecuting a guy who didn't do it. Good day.
 
2014-02-04 11:11:45 AM  

frepnog: why does everyone think Mia is the one with problems?

/seriously, I don't know


Why do you think there can be only one half of a former couple who has problems? Why do you assume "everyone" here thinks the same thing? Why, in a situation as private and murky as this one, would anyone be so ridiculously over-invested as to assume they know what happened?
 
2014-02-04 11:22:37 AM  

s2s2s2: Jizz Master Zero: Roman has gone full throttle and won't shut up about it and here we are.

*Rowan


Actually, it is Ronan:

comicattack.net
 
2014-02-04 11:24:06 AM  

Kid the Universe: Jizz Master Zero: Mad_Radhu: Jizz Master Zero: Can anyone give me an unbiased rundown of this whole thing? I've been able to pick up little details (there was a taped deposition that was suspiciously stopped/started in between every question and answer, the whole thing was thrown out of court for lack of evidence, Mia Farrow has a reputation as a childish psycho), but I have no idea what the full story is and I can't find a concise account anywhere.

The details that are missing make a huge difference. Has Dylan been tortured with this secret her whole life, or did she go to some wacky shrink who "recovered" a memory of abuse? Without knowing more, I just don't feel comfortable taking one side or the other.

That's about the only part of this I do know something about: The allegations came up when Woody Allen and Mia Farrow were fighting for custody of the kids way back when. It was thrown out (seemingly because of some shady details on Farrow's part, this is the main part that I'm unclear on) and hasn't really been dredged up again until Mia made a snarky tweet and Roman went on a Twitter rant after Allen's Golden Globes award a few weeks ago. It seems like Mia is fairly quiet about it beyond her Twitter comment, but Roman has gone full throttle and won't shut up about it and here we are.

and it's really just... embarrassing at this point. why are they doing this in such a public way? why now? before I read the dailybeast article I was not sure who to believe but after reading it and the detailed way the author lists all of Mia's actions over the years it's pretty obvious who to believe.


That's pretty much where I'm a now that I've read it. It's one thing to be petty and vindictive yourself but when you manipulate your children in such a deplorable way just so you can get back at an ex, that's flat out disgusting.

s2s2s2: Jizz Master Zero: Roman has gone full throttle and won't shut up about it and here we are.

*Rowan


That's totally what I wrote. Something happened when I hit Add Comment and it chan--aw dammit. Yeah. That's who I meant.
 
2014-02-04 11:24:38 AM  
It's fun to see the same gang who got the noose out for Jameis Winston rise up to defend Woody.
 
2014-02-04 11:26:06 AM  

Mad_Radhu: s2s2s2: Jizz Master Zero: Roman has gone full throttle and won't shut up about it and here we are.

*Rowan

Actually, it is Ronan:

[comicattack.net image 380x589]


No! Wait! That's who I meant!
 
2014-02-04 11:28:29 AM  

frepnog: why does everyone think Mia is the one with problems?

/seriously, I don't know


Serial adopter, known homewrecker, probable faked paternity, sibling who is a convicted kiddie-fiddler she never discusses.

Hell, she's practically Angelina Jolie. Or Madonna.
 
2014-02-04 11:30:14 AM  
When I was four, my parents and I drove to Cleveland to visit my Godfather, who was my dad's best friend from the Air Force. As soon as we arrived, I was whisked off to the bedroom to take a much-needed nap. I remember being annoyed at this since I wanted to be in the living room where all the action was. But the bed was comfy and the radio was on and I eventually fell asleep.

Before I fell asleep, I heard the song Goodbye Yellow Brick Road by Elton John on the radio. All my life since then, I've associated that song with my Godfather and our trip to Cleveland. This is a very vivid memory... I can close my eyes and remember being in that bed and hearing the chorus to that song as if it was yesterday.

About a month ago I was surfing the internet and I discovered that Goodbye Yellow Brick Road was released in 1973. My trip to Cleveland occurred in 1969. It's therefore impossible that I lay in that bed being lulled to sleep by Goodbye Yellow Brick Road, even though, as I said, I can remember it like it was yesterday.

This CSB is presented as evidence that we really can manufacture memories. It's not meant to support one side or another.
 
2014-02-04 11:33:52 AM  
Do we know their reactions to the new intended quotations?
 
2014-02-04 11:33:57 AM  
 going on TV or making money off of this.

Granted Dylan Farrow isnt.. but Rowan? the one who started off the tweeting?.. hes has a new show coming up on MSNBC.. call me a cynical bastard.. but publicity is publicity, theres is no such things as bad publicity. He wants viewers for his new show.
 
2014-02-04 11:37:04 AM  

DamnYankees: Do we know their reactions to the new intended quotations?


They're said to be currently getting over it.
 
2014-02-04 11:37:13 AM  

LikeALeafOnTheWind: going on TV or making money off of this.

Granted Dylan Farrow isnt.. but Rowan? the one who started off the tweeting?.. hes has a new show coming up on MSNBC.. call me a cynical bastard.. but publicity is publicity, theres is no such things as bad publicity. He wants viewers for his new show.


Ronan, not Rowan.
 
2014-02-04 11:39:15 AM  

sotua: frepnog: hasty ambush: Allen would not be the first man to be falsely accused thanks to the coaching of a child by a bitter ex.

and just sometimes....  people actually DO the things people accuse them of, sometimes PRECISELY because they full well know they can get away with it.

Like Bill Murray?


No one will ever believe you.
 
2014-02-04 11:40:42 AM  

Jizz Master Zero: DamnYankees: Do we know their reactions to the new intended quotations?

They're said to be currently getting over it.


Alec Baldwin said, "Who the f&00000000 does Drew think he is? People go 2 Fark because it's Fark, not because it's Reddit. If I wanted to go to Reddit, I'd whip my cock out and smack those f$@^#&! in the face."

He later deleted his comments.
 
2014-02-04 11:41:14 AM  

DamnYankees: LikeALeafOnTheWind: going on TV or making money off of this.

Granted Dylan Farrow isnt.. but Rowan? the one who started off the tweeting?.. hes has a new show coming up on MSNBC.. call me a cynical bastard.. but publicity is publicity, theres is no such things as bad publicity. He wants viewers for his new show.

Ronan, not Rowan.


At this point I'm going to just start calling the farking guy Dave.
 
2014-02-04 11:44:38 AM  
Because of the internet, I read too much about: celebrity sex abuse scandals, bitcoins and Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.

I agree with Alec Baldwin and would like to add that someone should file some charges with the police or shut up about it.

Thinking of a situation I'm watching right now in my own life, my personal advice to the kids and anybody else being victim of sexual abuse is to contact the authorities immediately, do not wait for other people to intermediate for you, get a uniformed police officer to your location as fast as possible.

Time is your enemy.
 
2014-02-04 11:45:47 AM  

Jizz Master Zero: DamnYankees: LikeALeafOnTheWind: going on TV or making money off of this.

Granted Dylan Farrow isnt.. but Rowan? the one who started off the tweeting?.. hes has a new show coming up on MSNBC.. call me a cynical bastard.. but publicity is publicity, theres is no such things as bad publicity. He wants viewers for his new show.

Ronan, not Rowan.

At this point I'm going to just start calling the farking guy Dave.


I prefer Mr. Tibbs. It increases the racial aspect of the whole kerfuffle.
 
2014-02-04 11:50:17 AM  

Valiente: Serial adopter, known homewrecker, probable faked paternity, sibling who is a convicted kiddie-fiddler she never discusses.


none of that really equals "more than likely has sex with children".

serial adopter?  how is that bad?

what the fark is a "known homewrecker"?  Is that even a thing in hollywood, where they change sex partners more than underwear?

faked paternity?  who cares?

sibling kiddie-fiddler she doesn't discuss?  WHO WOULD?
 
2014-02-04 11:51:08 AM  

frepnog: none of that really equals "more than likely has sex with children".


I don't think anyone is accusing Farrow of being a child molester. Just that she's hardly a stable person.
 
2014-02-04 11:53:41 AM  

The Why Not Guy: When I was four, my parents and I drove to Cleveland to visit my Godfather, who was my dad's best friend from the Air Force. As soon as we arrived, I was whisked off to the bedroom to take a much-needed nap. I remember being annoyed at this since I wanted to be in the living room where all the action was. But the bed was comfy and the radio was on and I eventually fell asleep.

Before I fell asleep, I heard the song Goodbye Yellow Brick Road by Elton John on the radio. All my life since then, I've associated that song with my Godfather and our trip to Cleveland. This is a very vivid memory... I can close my eyes and remember being in that bed and hearing the chorus to that song as if it was yesterday.

About a month ago I was surfing the internet and I discovered that Goodbye Yellow Brick Road was released in 1973. My trip to Cleveland occurred in 1969. It's therefore impossible that I lay in that bed being lulled to sleep by Goodbye Yellow Brick Road, even though, as I said, I can remember it like it was yesterday.

This CSB is presented as evidence that we really can manufacture memories. It's not meant to support one side or another.


Interesting. I had a similar epiphany the other night. We've been going through the entire Twilight Zone series, an episode or two an evening. I've long had a very vivid memory of being frightened by particular images in the opening credits of that show when I was three. I can place the time, because it was before my mother divorced my father. I remember the apartment we lived in and hiding behind the sofa because I was spooked. Looking at the copyright dates of the episodes, I find that the images that I remember being frightened by weren't used yet at the time I believe I saw them; they came alone in later seasons. They weren't broadcast until a couple of years after my parents divorced, in fact, so obviously I conflated something with something else. Yet I still have that memory, and it still seems accurate.

Nothing to do with anything being discussed, really. Just thought I'd chime in.
 
2014-02-04 11:59:23 AM  

hasty ambush: INeedAName: I think Hollywood needs to burn a bit over this. They seem to be pretty insular and protective over some pretty questionable stuff at times and it would be good for some light to get in there and expose some of the crap.

Many of the Hollywood types are in the same crowd that say if a woman claims to have been raped she must be believed, They are normally not so shy in voicing their opinions are matters like this.... unless of course it is of of their own Allen , Polanski, Clinton any Kennedy. Then it becomes not really any of their business or as in the case of Polanski it was not "rape, rape" and excusable.

Do I think Allen is a creepy pervert who I would not trust around kids? Yes. I s he innocent till proven guilty Yes. The actions of Mia and company right now leave me with too much room for reasonable doubt at this point. Allen would not be the first man to be falsely accused thanks to the coaching of a child by a bitter ex.


Is he overrated in his profession. Most definitely.


I'm torn as well. I want Hollywood-types to burn for being child molesters (even if they may not be guilty), but I also think women make up most sexual assault complaints. Talk about a rock and a hard place!
 
2014-02-04 12:00:45 PM  

markfara: The Why Not Guy: When I was four, my parents and I drove to Cleveland to visit my Godfather, who was my dad's best friend from the Air Force. As soon as we arrived, I was whisked off to the bedroom to take a much-needed nap. I remember being annoyed at this since I wanted to be in the living room where all the action was. But the bed was comfy and the radio was on and I eventually fell asleep.

Before I fell asleep, I heard the song Goodbye Yellow Brick Road by Elton John on the radio. All my life since then, I've associated that song with my Godfather and our trip to Cleveland. This is a very vivid memory... I can close my eyes and remember being in that bed and hearing the chorus to that song as if it was yesterday.

About a month ago I was surfing the internet and I discovered that Goodbye Yellow Brick Road was released in 1973. My trip to Cleveland occurred in 1969. It's therefore impossible that I lay in that bed being lulled to sleep by Goodbye Yellow Brick Road, even though, as I said, I can remember it like it was yesterday.

This CSB is presented as evidence that we really can manufacture memories. It's not meant to support one side or another.

Interesting. I had a similar epiphany the other night. We've been going through the entire Twilight Zone series, an episode or two an evening. I've long had a very vivid memory of being frightened by particular images in the opening credits of that show when I was three. I can place the time, because it was before my mother divorced my father. I remember the apartment we lived in and hiding behind the sofa because I was spooked. Looking at the copyright dates of the episodes, I find that the images that I remember being frightened by weren't used yet at the time I believe I saw them; they came alone in later seasons. They weren't broadcast until a couple of years after my parents divorced, in fact, so obviously I conflated something with something else. Yet I still have that memory, and it still seems accurate.

Nothing to do with anything being discussed, really. Just thought I'd chime in.


I could be wrong, and I often am, but it was my understanding that every time you recall a memory you lose a little bit of it. So all of your treasured childhood memories are actually warped shadows of what they once were.
 
2014-02-04 12:03:44 PM  

Moopy Mac: I also think women make up most sexual assault complaints.


I don't know about that but certainly plenty are made up. Just know that there's also quite a few that are certainly real but never reported. Which of course has nothing to do with who is telling the truth in the case at hand. I don't know myself and now I am going to stop thinking about it.
 
2014-02-04 12:04:05 PM  

FLMountainMan: It's fun to see the same gang who got the noose out for Jameis Winston rise up to defend Woody.


Same gang? Really?

I had to Google him to see who he was. And if "Damn, Allen's creepy but this whole thing is too murky to blacklist him over" is "rising up to defend" him, that's a pretty weak defense.
 
2014-02-04 12:05:40 PM  

frepnog: faked paternity? who cares?


Sinatra's wife, I imagine.
 
2014-02-04 12:06:31 PM  

frepnog: Valiente: Serial adopter, known homewrecker, probable faked paternity, sibling who is a convicted kiddie-fiddler she never discusses.

none of that really equals "more than likely has sex with children".

serial adopter?  how is that bad?

A person trying to fill a hole in their life and looking for attention and love. They have been known to make stuff up to fill those holes and get attention.

what the fark is a "known homewrecker"?  Is that even a thing in hollywood, where they change sex partners more than underwear?
A dishonest person only thinking about their own satisfaction and themselves. And yes it is a thing in Hollywood also.

faked paternity?  who cares?
Really? A liar. A person that will lie about that will lie about anything.

sibling kiddie-fiddler she doesn't discuss?  WHO WOULD? Yeah, I probably wouldn't talk about that either.

I don't know if she is lying or not, but she is a nutbag.
 
2014-02-04 12:07:08 PM  
Nana's Vibrator :
Oh, ladies. Who in their right mind would have a problem with free and unlimited access to all of that...Woody...Allen...meatstick? Just having him writhe over the top of you, pumping away, that loose neck skin flapping in unison with each push of his shaky stick-figure legs, somehow reminding you of anorexic turtles. And you have to wonder: Does he take off his socks and glasses? Would you look?

All that and the whining too? Or maybe he makes a wheezing sound like Principal Hancock did in Forrest Gump.
Might could be that he whines AND wheezes. Throw in a few farts and it would be quite the experience.
 
2014-02-04 12:11:45 PM  

tblax: markfara: The Why Not Guy: When I was four, my parents and I drove to Cleveland to visit my Godfather, who was my dad's best friend from the Air Force. As soon as we arrived, I was whisked off to the bedroom to take a much-needed nap. I remember being annoyed at this since I wanted to be in the living room where all the action was. But the bed was comfy and the radio was on and I eventually fell asleep.

Before I fell asleep, I heard the song Goodbye Yellow Brick Road by Elton John on the radio. All my life since then, I've associated that song with my Godfather and our trip to Cleveland. This is a very vivid memory... I can close my eyes and remember being in that bed and hearing the chorus to that song as if it was yesterday.

About a month ago I was surfing the internet and I discovered that Goodbye Yellow Brick Road was released in 1973. My trip to Cleveland occurred in 1969. It's therefore impossible that I lay in that bed being lulled to sleep by Goodbye Yellow Brick Road, even though, as I said, I can remember it like it was yesterday.

This CSB is presented as evidence that we really can manufacture memories. It's not meant to support one side or another.

Interesting. I had a similar epiphany the other night. We've been going through the entire Twilight Zone series, an episode or two an evening. I've long had a very vivid memory of being frightened by particular images in the opening credits of that show when I was three. I can place the time, because it was before my mother divorced my father. I remember the apartment we lived in and hiding behind the sofa because I was spooked. Looking at the copyright dates of the episodes, I find that the images that I remember being frightened by weren't used yet at the time I believe I saw them; they came alone in later seasons. They weren't broadcast until a couple of years after my parents divorced, in fact, so obviously I conflated something with something else. Yet I still have that memory, and it still seems accu ...



They're all memories of memories, and colored with what others have told you about the events.

I have vague memories of watching the Apollo 11 landings, but I can't be sure if they are my memories from when I was 5 years old, or if they are constructed from my parents telling me how we all watched in on TV.
 
2014-02-04 12:13:21 PM  
Seriously, I don't understand why anyone would think this kid's father was Frank Sinatra.  Really, no clue whatsoever ...
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2014-02-04 12:14:35 PM  

frepnog: why does everyone think Mia is the one with problems?

/seriously, I don't know



Let's see if I can present a scenario, based solely on my own speculation. Mia Farrow married Frank Sinatra when she was 19 and he was 50, half his age. Then she moved on to Andre Previn. Then to Woody Allen. I can see a career of star-f**king going on here. You picking up on that at all?
Now, she's no longer the beauty she was and is she is no longer able to sleep her way around Hollywood, or be on the 'A' list. She and her entire family have lost their celebrity status. It's over. Yet, she nor members of her family can move on. Woody has.

Lastly, to top it off, this woman who at one point was married to the most powerful man in show biz, Frank Sinatra, was dropped for a woman half her age. And to top that off, a woman Farrow she brought to this country and legally adopted, and has no relationship with anymore either.

Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.
 
2014-02-04 12:16:21 PM  

ChrisDe: The Muthaship: Alec deserves a pass for this, he was busy abusing his own daughter.

Actually, his response was on point. He doesn't know what the hell went on, and we don't either.


Did you feel the same way about Michael Jackson?  Serious question.
 
2014-02-04 12:18:36 PM  

kanesays: frepnog: why does everyone think Mia is the one with problems?/seriously, I don't know

Let's see if I can present a scenario, based solely on my own speculation. Mia Farrow married Frank Sinatra when she was 19 and he was 50, half his age. Then she moved on to Andre Previn. Then to Woody Allen. I can see a career of star-f**king going on here. You picking up on that at all?
Now, she's no longer the beauty she was and is she is no longer able to sleep her way around Hollywood, or be on the 'A' list. She and her entire family have lost their celebrity status. It's over. Yet, she nor members of her family can move on. Woody has.

Lastly, to top it off, this woman who at one point was married to the most powerful man in show biz, Frank Sinatra, was dropped for a woman half her age. And to top that off, a woman Farrow she brought to this country and legally adopted, and has no relationship with anymore either.

Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.


So, instead of looking at alleged molestation by this beloved director, we should be examining in great detail one of his past loves?
 
2014-02-04 12:20:22 PM  
By Occam's Razor, I would guess that in order to extort as much money out of Woody, she poisoned her daughter with lies for so long they both actually believe them by now. Or Woody did it.
 
2014-02-04 12:33:25 PM  

frepnog: but woody didn't do nothin' wrong.

and even tho it is apparently obvious that he did, he made those movies people like so no one cares.

isn't that the real jist here?  if you are a successful film maker, you can be a pedo no prob?


No, that's not what anyone is saying.  There is a difference between saying, "There isn't enough evidence, I don't feel comfortable picking a side" and, "It's totes cool that he raped her, he makes movies I like."
 
2014-02-04 12:38:41 PM  

Valiente: frepnog: why does everyone think Mia is the one with problems?

/seriously, I don't know

Serial adopter, known homewrecker, probable faked paternity, sibling who is a convicted kiddie-fiddler she never discusses.


You forgot to mention that she supports Roman Polanski!
 
2014-02-04 12:40:21 PM  
Hey everyone, did you see this yet?
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/01/27/the-woody-allen-alle gations-not-so-fast.html

Did you? Did you?

Getting tired of all of Woody's white knighters posting this link on every thread about this issue. It doesn't 'debunk' the allegations Dylan is making, at all. It's kind of creepy, to be honest.
 
2014-02-04 12:45:09 PM  

Cletus C.:



So, instead of looking at alleged molestation by this beloved director, we should be examining in great detail one of his past loves?


You want to look at alleged molestation charges? OK, there was an investigation, but Allen was never charged with a crime. Connecticut County Prosecutor Frank Maco dismissed the abuse charges against Woody.


Then Maco maintained that he had "probable cause" to believe Dylan.


Maco then sent his "probable cause" statement to the Surrogate's Court judge in Manhattan who was still deciding on Allen's adoption status of Dylan and Moses, which Mia was trying to annul. The panel wrote, "In most circumstances, [Maco's comments] would have violated the prosecutor's obligation to the accused. [His actions were] inappropriate, unsolicited, and potentially prejudicial." The article states that the agency could have voted sanctions against Maco ranging from censure to disbarment.


As another blow to Farrow's claims, a former nanny to the children, Monica Thompson swore in a deposition that she was pressured by Farrow to support the molestation charges, and the pressure led her to resign her position.



Now, you should further your reading on Farrow and the videotape deposition and the mysterious pauses in the tape, and how it is suspected by some authorities that Farrow is coercing her daughter on what to say to the camera.


//Annie Hall vs. Star Wars does not have a goddamn thing to do with this.

 
2014-02-04 12:51:28 PM  

kanesays: Cletus C.:

So, instead of looking at alleged molestation by this beloved director, we should be examining in great detail one of his past loves?
You want to look at alleged molestation charges? OK, there was an investigation, but Allen was never charged with a crime. Connecticut County Prosecutor Frank Maco dismissed the abuse charges against Woody.
Then Maco maintained that he had "probable cause" to believe Dylan.
Maco then sent his "probable cause" statement to the Surrogate's Court judge in Manhattan who was still deciding on Allen's adoption status of Dylan and Moses, which Mia was trying to annul. The panel wrote, "In most circumstances, [Maco's comments] would have violated the prosecutor's obligation to the accused. [His actions were] inappropriate, unsolicited, and potentially prejudicial." The article states that the agency could have voted sanctions against Maco ranging from censure to disbarment.
As another blow to Farrow's claims, a former nanny to the children, Monica Thompson swore in a deposition that she was pressured by Farrow to support the molestation charges, and the pressure led her to resign her position.

Now, you should further your reading on Farrow and the videotape deposition and the mysterious pauses in the tape, and how it is suspected by some authorities that Farrow is coercing her daughter on what to say to the camera.
//Annie Hall vs. Star Wars does not have a goddamn thing to do with this.


I tend to agree that unless a farking child can provide hard proof of their claim that uncle Woody has been abusing them, their complaints should be dismissed out of hand. Especially if the person they are accusing is rich and famous. Fark Mia Farrow, the prosecutor and the former nanny. The victim, now an adult, is quite definitive on what happened.

But go ahead and enjoy Take the Money and Run because it really is a good movie.
 
2014-02-04 01:01:07 PM  

JohnBigBootay: Moopy Mac: I also think women make up most sexual assault complaints.

I don't know about that but certainly plenty are made up. Just know that there's also quite a few that are certainly real but never reported. Which of course has nothing to do with who is telling the truth in the case at hand. I don't know myself and now I am going to stop thinking about it.



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Probably should leave my post un-edited so that others can get the context of the comment.
 
2014-02-04 01:03:52 PM  

batlock666: Valiente: frepnog: why does everyone think Mia is the one with problems?

/seriously, I don't know

Serial adopter, known homewrecker, probable faked paternity, sibling who is a convicted kiddie-fiddler she never discusses.

You forgot to mention that she supports Roman Polanski!


Hey guys!

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2014-02-04 01:09:10 PM  

frepnog: hasty ambush: Allen would not be the first man to be falsely accused thanks to the coaching of a child by a bitter ex.

and just sometimes....  people actually DO the things people accuse them of, sometimes PRECISELY because they full well know they can get away with it.


I am not saying it did not happen but normally under our justice system burden of prove is on the accuser, there is nor should there be an exception for rape/child abuse.  Right now all you have is a he said she said situation, a bitter ex and a vague reason why a DA chose not to try and prosecute.   I would need more before sending a man to prison.

Since legal action does not seem possible and you feel strongly that the is guilty best response would be to boycott Allen movies and the works off those who think it is Ok to work with him.

But Hollywood and the movie going public does not seem to care given the how they treat the likes Polanski.  I mean they will boycott things like Arizona but one of their own over child rape, not hardly.
 
2014-02-04 01:10:25 PM  

someonelse: frepnog: faked paternity? who cares?

Sinatra's wife, I imagine.


Also, Allen for having to pay child support

She tried to pass off this kid as Woody Allen's kid.
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And now she is being all coy and saying that it was Sinatra's kid. And if this is the case, which, come on, look at that mug, it would mean she had an affair with Frank while he was still married. And she knew this and yet still made Allen pay for child support for him.

Farrow is a notorious liar who does what she wants. Others be damned.
 
2014-02-04 01:15:44 PM  
I'm just curious why Ronan Farrow is everywhere all of a sudden and has his own show.  He was on Bill Maher last week and was totally lost.  One of those guests who kept going back to his cue cards about the same topic even though the rest of the panel had moved on.  I get that he has pretty eyes and famous parents, but how is he so famous all of a sudden?  And I thought MSNBC wasn't giving airtime to photogenic people anymore.
 
2014-02-04 01:29:42 PM  

hasty ambush: I am not saying it did not happen but normally under our justice system burden of prove is on the accuser, there is nor should there be an exception for rape/child abuse. Right now all you have is a he said she said situation, a bitter ex and a vague reason why a DA chose not to try and prosecute. I would need more before sending a man to prison.


with little or no evidence and hearsay and he said\she said, I don't really want Woody in prison.

problem is that going by his track record, the man has done some insanely creepy shiat, and obviously likes 'em young.

Yeah, Mia may be bitter and she may have slept her way around Hollywood (honestly what starlet hasn't, Katniss maybe but I bet even she has taken one for the team), but being a star-farker is a bit removed from possible pedo accusations.

There just seems to be a bit more than smoke here and letting Woody off simply because he is Woody Allen is wrong.  I have no horse in this race (I didn't care for Woody's films even before all this stuff and don't care about Mia) but when someone says "kiddie-diddler" you look.  And look hard.  Finding nothing is one thing.

There is more to it.  Maybe Mia coerced the kid(s).  Maybe not.  Maybe she tried to help an abused kid find words.

And maybe she just hates Woody for banging her adopted daughter.
 
2014-02-04 01:35:04 PM  

mekki: And if this is the case, which, come on, look at that mug, it would mean she had an affair with Frank while he was still married. And she knew this and yet still made Allen pay for child support for him.


yeah...  that's pretty crappy.  I didn't really know that.

On the other hand, before DNA testing, if Woody HAD been banging her while Sinatra was, it's a frickin' toss of the dice who the kid belonged to, and I can't feel too bad for Woody for paying support.  If he was sleeping with Mia, even if she was also sleeping with Sinatra, then he knew the risks.

but yeah....  that totes isn't Woody's kid.
 
2014-02-04 01:50:04 PM  
I wouldn't call what I'd like to do to Cate abuse, per se. What are we talking about again?
 
2014-02-04 01:51:21 PM  

Darth Macho: s2s2s2: Jizz Master Zero: Roman has gone full throttle and won't shut up about it and here we are.

*Rowan

And...you mean the son of Frank, who Mia conceived while Frank Sr was married? Not to mention the age difference.

Mia is insane. Planting false memories in a child is pretty terrible.

The child is now 28 years old and knows the difference between false and true memories. Until this one letter she's never used a public forum to draw attention to herself. She isn't selling a book, going on TV or making money off of this.

I don't know about you, but I'm willing to take the woman at her word.


I think you misunderstand what false memories are.  Becoming an adult is not a cure, because the whole problem is that the brain is plastic enough to incorporate the false memory and convince itself that the memory is vivid and true.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_memory_syndrome
"False memory syndrome (FMS) describes a condition in which a person's identity and relationships are affected by memories which are factually incorrect but are strongly believed."

/Woody is, at least, creepy.
//Might not be a molester, though.
 
2014-02-04 01:53:43 PM  

give me doughnuts: I have vague memories of watching the Apollo 11 landings, but I can't be sure if they are my memories from when I was 5 years old, or if they are constructed from my parents telling me how we all watched in on TV.


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Understands.
 
2014-02-04 01:58:58 PM  

mekki: someonelse: frepnog: faked paternity? who cares?

Sinatra's wife, I imagine.

Also, Allen for having to pay child support

She tried to pass off this kid as Woody Allen's kid.
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And now she is being all coy and saying that it was Sinatra's kid. And if this is the case, which, come on, look at that mug, it would mean she had an affair with Frank while he was still married. And she knew this and yet still made Allen pay for child support for him.

Farrow is a notorious liar who does what she wants. Others be damned.


Is your point that the little girl deserved to be diddled?
 
2014-02-04 02:01:19 PM  

Cletus from Canuckistan: Hey everyone, did you see this yet?
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/01/27/the-woody-allen-alle gations-not-so-fast.html

Did you? Did you?

Getting tired of all of Woody's white knighters posting this link on every thread about this issue. It doesn't 'debunk' the allegations Dylan is making, at all. It's kind of creepy, to be honest.


right?! let's round up a posse and go get that guy! she said he did it so he must have done it! children are never manipulated by scorned women and there certainly isn't anything weird about the alleged "confession" tape that Mia recorded over 20 years ago that clearly shows the tape being edited as it was shot.

people post that link because it pretty clearly lists the accusations, the eye-witness accounts, the court findings as far as they are known, and the holes in Mia's story and character. if you read that article and still think there is nothing fishy about her side of the story then you are the creep.

guilty until proven otherwise, right!
 
2014-02-04 02:08:26 PM  

Champion of the Sun: I'm just curious why Ronan Farrow is everywhere all of a sudden and has his own show.  He was on Bill Maher last week and was totally lost.  One of those guests who kept going back to his cue cards about the same topic even though the rest of the panel had moved on.  I get that he has pretty eyes and famous parents, but how is he so famous all of a sudden?  And I thought MSNBC wasn't giving airtime to photogenic people anymore.


He's been around for a little while.  Super smart kid at least on the intellectual side--he graduated from college at 15 and Yale Law School at 22; he did a Rhodes Scholarship a couple of years ago.  He was the youngest person to work for the State Department (21).  But like seemingly everyone else on that abominable website, he's an idiot on Twitter.
 
2014-02-04 02:09:59 PM  

hasty ambush: But Hollywood and the movie going public does not seem to care given the how they treat the likes Polanski.  I mean they will boycott things like Arizona but one of their own over child rape, not hardly.


Personally, I boycott Polanski's films for that reason. Still not seen The Pianist (I should probably just rip it from a Warez site). He can go and serve his time, then I'll start watching them.

And I could easily boycott Allen's films. I've seen a couple recently. One was bad, one was good, but he's not like Guillermo del Toro or Brad Bird where I have to watch everything they make.

But I'm still not comfortable about these allegations.
 
2014-02-04 02:11:12 PM  

Kid the Universe: guilty until proven otherwise, right!


don't tell me what you can prove, tell me what you THINK.

do you THINK that Woody had sex with Soon-Yi before she was old enough to give consent?

because it is more than obvious that he DID, even if we can't PROVE it.  Having said that, I THINK that there is more to the allegations than a spurned woman.
 
2014-02-04 02:17:35 PM  

frepnog: Kid the Universe: guilty until proven otherwise, right!

don't tell me what you can prove, tell me what you THINK.

do you THINK that Woody had sex with Soon-Yi before she was old enough to give consent?

because it is more than obvious that he DID, even if we can't PROVE it.  Having said that, I THINK that there is more to the allegations than a spurned woman.


I don't think I've ever seen anyone so illogically and passionately convinced of their rightness about something so impossible to ever be "right" about as you are.
 
2014-02-04 02:19:09 PM  

frepnog: Kid the Universe: guilty until proven otherwise, right!

don't tell me what you can prove, tell me what you THINK.

do you THINK that Woody had sex with Soon-Yi before she was old enough to give consent?

because it is more than obvious that he DID, even if we can't PROVE it.  Having said that, I THINK that there is more to the allegations than a spurned woman.


Do I think he had sex with Soon-Yi before she was legal? I don't know. But I definitely think he was grooming her from an early age to be his future wife, which is just ick. I don't think it is obvious at all if he had sex with her or not, because somebody is grooming somebody doesn't mean they are also having sex with them.

I just think that both Woody and Mia are both really farked up manipulative people who should have never been allowed around children. And if she wasn't rich and famous, I doubt Farrow would have never passed a psych evaluation and been allowed to adopt.
 
2014-02-04 02:22:47 PM  

frepnog: Kid the Universe: guilty until proven otherwise, right!

don't tell me what you can prove, tell me what you THINK.

do you THINK that Woody had sex with Soon-Yi before she was old enough to give consent?

because it is more than obvious that he DID, even if we can't PROVE it.  Having said that, I THINK that there is more to the allegations than a spurned woman.


I am not going to defend the morality of Woody and Soon-Yi, but I think it looks like, based upon the facts outlined in the dailybeast article, that Woody did not have any sort of relationship with Soon-Yi until she was 19 or 21.  It is certainly isn't obvious.

/Still shouldn't have a relationship with your girlfriend's daughter who is 30+ years younger.
 
2014-02-04 02:28:59 PM  

frepnog: Kid the Universe: guilty until proven otherwise, right!

don't tell me what you can prove, tell me what you THINK.

do you THINK that Woody had sex with Soon-Yi before she was old enough to give consent?

because it is more than obvious that he DID, even if we can't PROVE it.  Having said that, I THINK that there is more to the allegations than a spurned woman.


I think this is a sad tale for sure. I used to think Mia's allegations were more plausible than I do now having read the dailybeast article and I posted that link because accusations make the front page and retractions get printed somewhere under the crossword. I think the Soon-yi thing is still really creepy even if he wasn't that girl's "father." Having grown up in an extremely dysfunctional family, I have experienced firsthand the power and manipulation parents have over their children. Both of my parents tried to get my brother and sister and I to hate the other parent. And it worked because we were kids trying to please our parents and make sense of our broken family.

Mostly though, I think this has become quite embarrassing for this family and my opinion doesn't matter in the slightest.
 
2014-02-04 02:30:10 PM  

boyofd: but I think it looks like, based upon the facts outlined in the dailybeast article, that Woody did not have any sort of relationship with Soon-Yi until she was 19 or 21.


well, except for those naked pics he took when she was 17.

she was 9 when she came over.  To say she had no relationship with Woody is disingenuous at best.
 
2014-02-04 02:30:59 PM  

someonelse: I don't think I've ever seen anyone so illogically and passionately convinced of their rightness about something so impossible to ever be "right" about as you are.


try typing your next post BEFORE you take a bong rip.
 
2014-02-04 02:41:22 PM  

Doc Batarang: Because of the internet, I read too much about: celebrity sex abuse scandals, bitcoins and Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.

I agree with Alec Baldwin and would like to add that someone should file some charges with the police or shut up about it.


The statute of limitations has expired on this, has it not? So charges are no longer possible?

/not sure who is telling the truth here
//the guy is creepy as hell either way
 
2014-02-04 02:43:18 PM  

namegoeshere: Doc Batarang: Because of the internet, I read too much about: celebrity sex abuse scandals, bitcoins and Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.

I agree with Alec Baldwin and would like to add that someone should file some charges with the police or shut up about it.

The statute of limitations has expired on this, has it not? So charges are no longer possible?

/not sure who is telling the truth here
//the guy is creepy as hell either way


Depends on where it happened. In some states there isn't a statute of limitations on rape or child molestation anymore.
 
2014-02-04 02:45:17 PM  

frepnog: boyofd: but I think it looks like, based upon the facts outlined in the dailybeast article, that Woody did not have any sort of relationship with Soon-Yi until she was 19 or 21.

well, except for those naked pics he took when she was 17.

she was 9 when she came over.  To say she had no relationship with Woody is disingenuous at best.


Yeah, the naked pictures would be a problem.  But I'm not aware of them.  Any links?

As for her age when she came to the US, it isn't very relevant if Woody never lived with Mia and never spent the night at her apartment.  Apparently, Mia has admitted that Woody had nothing to do with Soon-Yi until she was at least 18, and that the relationship started when she pushed Woody to become more involved.

/Still really creepy.
 
2014-02-04 02:45:37 PM  

kanesays: Jizz Master Zero: Can anyone give me an unbiased rundown of this whole thing? I've been able to pick up little details (there was a taped deposition that was suspiciously stopped/started in between every question and answer, the whole thing was thrown out of court for lack of evidence, Mia Farrow has a reputation as a childish psycho), but I have no idea what the full story is and I can't find a concise account anywhere.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/01/27/the-woody-allen-all eg ations-not-so-fast.html

This is a look at the allegations, with full disclosure of the author being the director of the PBS documentary on Allen.


Would something written by a guy doing a documentary on Allen qualify as *unbiased*?
 
2014-02-04 02:56:19 PM  

Jizz Master Zero: Can anyone give me an unbiased rundown of this whole thing? I've been able to pick up little details (there was a taped deposition that was suspiciously stopped/started in between every question and answer, the whole thing was thrown out of court for lack of evidence, Mia Farrow has a reputation as a childish psycho), but I have no idea what the full story is and I can't find a concise account anywhere.


http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/01/27/the-woody-allen-all eg ations-not-so-fast.html
 
2014-02-04 02:58:12 PM  

kanesays: frepnog: why does everyone think Mia is the one with problems?/seriously, I don't know

Let's see if I can present a scenario, based solely on my own speculation. Mia Farrow married Frank Sinatra when she was 19 and he was 50, half his age. Then she moved on to Andre Previn. Then to Woody Allen. I can see a career of star-f**king going on here. You picking up on that at all?
Now, she's no longer the beauty she was and is she is no longer able to sleep her way around Hollywood, or be on the 'A' list. She and her entire family have lost their celebrity status. It's over. Yet, she nor members of her family can move on. Woody has.

Lastly, to top it off, this woman who at one point was married to the most powerful man in show biz, Frank Sinatra, was dropped for a woman half her age. And to top that off, a woman Farrow she brought to this country and legally adopted, and has no relationship with anymore either.

Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.


You forgot the part where a 40-something Farrow cheated on Woody with a 71-year-old Sinatra, got pregnant, and then told Woody the kid was his.
 
2014-02-04 02:59:55 PM  

susansto-helit: kanesays: Jizz Master Zero: Can anyone give me an unbiased rundown of this whole thing? I've been able to pick up little details (there was a taped deposition that was suspiciously stopped/started in between every question and answer, the whole thing was thrown out of court for lack of evidence, Mia Farrow has a reputation as a childish psycho), but I have no idea what the full story is and I can't find a concise account anywhere.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/01/27/the-woody-allen-all eg ations-not-so-fast.html

This is a look at the allegations, with full disclosure of the author being the director of the PBS documentary on Allen.

Would something written by a guy doing a documentary on Allen qualify as *unbiased*?


Maybe not "unbiased", but it's an accurate telling from someone inside the situation, with links to other articles from that time that support his point of view, and it's written from a very balanced perspective.

I think people just want a good old-fashioned witch hunt, and they're getting upset that the facts are not supporting the accusations in this case.
 
2014-02-04 03:00:58 PM  

boyofd: frepnog: boyofd: but I think it looks like, based upon the facts outlined in the dailybeast article, that Woody did not have any sort of relationship with Soon-Yi until she was 19 or 21.

well, except for those naked pics he took when she was 17.

she was 9 when she came over.  To say she had no relationship with Woody is disingenuous at best.

Yeah, the naked pictures would be a problem.  But I'm not aware of them.  Any links?

As for her age when she came to the US, it isn't very relevant if Woody never lived with Mia and never spent the night at her apartment.  Apparently, Mia has admitted that Woody had nothing to do with Soon-Yi until she was at least 18, and that the relationship started when she pushed Woody to become more involved.

/Still really creepy.


Not sure that came out the way you intended. Or maybe it did.
 
2014-02-04 03:01:59 PM  

boyofd: But I'm not aware of them.


Mia found them.  it is how she discovered that Woody was banging Soon-Yi.
 
2014-02-04 03:03:48 PM  

boyofd: frepnog: boyofd: but I think it looks like, based upon the facts outlined in the dailybeast article, that Woody did not have any sort of relationship with Soon-Yi until she was 19 or 21.

well, except for those naked pics he took when she was 17.

she was 9 when she came over.  To say she had no relationship with Woody is disingenuous at best.

Yeah, the naked pictures would be a problem.  But I'm not aware of them.  Any links?

As for her age when she came to the US, it isn't very relevant if Woody never lived with Mia and never spent the night at her apartment.  Apparently, Mia has admitted that Woody had nothing to do with Soon-Yi until she was at least 18, and that the relationship started when she pushed Woody to become more involved.

/Still really creepy.


No more creepy than a 21-year-old Mia Farrow getting involved with 51-year-old Frank Sinatra. No more creepy than a 24-year-old Mia Farrow getting pregnant by a married 40-year-old Andre Previn and subsequently stealing him away from his wife (her friend, apparently) and driving her mad. CERTAINLY no more creepy than a 42-year-old Farrow cheating on Woody with a 71-year-old Frank Sinatra, getting pregnant, and then telling Woody the child was his.

Pot. Kettle. VERY black.
 
2014-02-04 03:07:18 PM  

ZeroCorpse: No more creepy than a 21-year-old Mia Farrow getting involved with 51-year-old Frank Sinatra. No more creepy than a 24-year-old Mia Farrow getting pregnant by a married 40-year-old Andre Previn and subsequently stealing him away from his wife (her friend, apparently) and driving her mad. CERTAINLY no more creepy than a 42-year-old Farrow cheating on Woody with a 71-year-old Frank Sinatra, getting pregnant, and then telling Woody the child was his.


it isn't creepy when a woman uses sex as a weapon.  it's just a woman.

you know that right?
 
2014-02-04 03:08:36 PM  

ZeroCorpse: boyofd: frepnog: boyofd: but I think it looks like, based upon the facts outlined in the dailybeast article, that Woody did not have any sort of relationship with Soon-Yi until she was 19 or 21.

well, except for those naked pics he took when she was 17.

she was 9 when she came over.  To say she had no relationship with Woody is disingenuous at best.

Yeah, the naked pictures would be a problem.  But I'm not aware of them.  Any links?

As for her age when she came to the US, it isn't very relevant if Woody never lived with Mia and never spent the night at her apartment.  Apparently, Mia has admitted that Woody had nothing to do with Soon-Yi until she was at least 18, and that the relationship started when she pushed Woody to become more involved.

/Still really creepy.

No more creepy than a 21-year-old Mia Farrow getting involved with 51-year-old Frank Sinatra. No more creepy than a 24-year-old Mia Farrow getting pregnant by a married 40-year-old Andre Previn and subsequently stealing him away from his wife (her friend, apparently) and driving her mad. CERTAINLY no more creepy than a 42-year-old Farrow cheating on Woody with a 71-year-old Frank Sinatra, getting pregnant, and then telling Woody the child was his.

Pot. Kettle. VERY black.


You've convinced me, that's a free pass for Woody to molest children.
 
2014-02-04 03:09:34 PM  

frepnog: boyofd: But I'm not aware of them.

Mia found them.  it is how she discovered that Woody was banging Soon-Yi.


By snooping in someone else's stuff. Yeah, that's mentally healthy.

And again, she had cheated on Woody and had a baby as a result of that affair-- which she never revealed to him-- by that time.

Woody was in his mid-50s and Soon-Yi was either 19 or 21 (her Korean birth record is not clear, but it's one of those two) when they got together. She's highly intelligent, and Mia pushed them into spending time together... And they fell in love.

Yes, the age difference is vast, but no more vast than Mia and her own lovers and husbands. But Woody was never Soon-Yi's father figure, adoptive father, live-in authority figure, or anything else. To Soon-Yi, he was her adoptive mother's boyfriend after she divorced Soon-Yi's adoptive father, and she didn't have much to do with Woody until she was an adult.

But people seem to NEED to lie like crazy and say she was a child, she was retarded, she was his stepdaughter, she was his adopted daughter, she was living with him, she was the girl in the photo at the basketball game, etc. etc....  and all of that is complete and utter bullshiat.

I don't particularly care about Allen... But I hate to see someone being accused of a heinous act by people who are lying, distorting, or misrepresenting the facts in order to push their own blind hatred for someone/something.
 
2014-02-04 03:14:54 PM  

Cletus C.: boyofd: frepnog: boyofd: but I think it looks like, based upon the facts outlined in the dailybeast article, that Woody did not have any sort of relationship with Soon-Yi until she was 19 or 21.

well, except for those naked pics he took when she was 17.

she was 9 when she came over.  To say she had no relationship with Woody is disingenuous at best.

Yeah, the naked pictures would be a problem.  But I'm not aware of them.  Any links?

As for her age when she came to the US, it isn't very relevant if Woody never lived with Mia and never spent the night at her apartment.  Apparently, Mia has admitted that Woody had nothing to do with Soon-Yi until she was at least 18, and that the relationship started when she pushed Woody to become more involved.

/Still really creepy.

Not sure that came out the way you intended. Or maybe it did.


Whoooooooooooooooooooooooooaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa Nelly!  Sorry about that.  Wish I could claim I intended that as a joke.
 
2014-02-04 03:15:09 PM  
ok, fark just kills me.

Woody accused, never convicted of a crime, adult victim maintains abuse occurred - oh Mia is just nuts, let's dig into her past and make her look nuts, she slept around, victim is making it up, WHORE

Zimmerman accused, all evidence supports him, acquitted of a crime - oh Trayvon was innocent, he just liked tea and candy, his past and actions HAVE NO BEARING LEAVE HIM ALONE
 
2014-02-04 03:15:29 PM  

someonelse: frepnog: faked paternity? who cares?

Sinatra's wife, I imagine.


Since she told Woody Allen, he was the father of Ronan, maybe Woody Allen would care as well.
 
2014-02-04 03:15:56 PM  

frepnog: boyofd: But I'm not aware of them.

Mia found them.  it is how she discovered that Woody was banging Soon-Yi.


That's not very good evidence that Soon-Yi was 17 when it started.
 
2014-02-04 03:16:06 PM  

Cletus C.: ZeroCorpse: boyofd: frepnog: boyofd: but I think it looks like, based upon the facts outlined in the dailybeast article, that Woody did not have any sort of relationship with Soon-Yi until she was 19 or 21.

well, except for those naked pics he took when she was 17.

she was 9 when she came over.  To say she had no relationship with Woody is disingenuous at best.

Yeah, the naked pictures would be a problem.  But I'm not aware of them.  Any links?

As for her age when she came to the US, it isn't very relevant if Woody never lived with Mia and never spent the night at her apartment.  Apparently, Mia has admitted that Woody had nothing to do with Soon-Yi until she was at least 18, and that the relationship started when she pushed Woody to become more involved.

/Still really creepy.

No more creepy than a 21-year-old Mia Farrow getting involved with 51-year-old Frank Sinatra. No more creepy than a 24-year-old Mia Farrow getting pregnant by a married 40-year-old Andre Previn and subsequently stealing him away from his wife (her friend, apparently) and driving her mad. CERTAINLY no more creepy than a 42-year-old Farrow cheating on Woody with a 71-year-old Frank Sinatra, getting pregnant, and then telling Woody the child was his.

Pot. Kettle. VERY black.

You've convinced me, that's a free pass for Woody to molest children.


wow you've convinced me! Mia is clearly a paragon of virtue and couldn't possibly be capable of fabricating this

oh, that's a logical fallacy, is it? Hmm, good thing straw-man arguments are admissible in cases like these
 
2014-02-04 03:18:10 PM  

boyofd: That's not very good evidence that Soon-Yi was 17 when it started.


yeah because I have never farked women that i took naked pics of.

/yes I have, every last farking one.
 
2014-02-04 03:18:52 PM  

Cletus C.: ZeroCorpse: boyofd: frepnog: boyofd: but I think it looks like, based upon the facts outlined in the dailybeast article, that Woody did not have any sort of relationship with Soon-Yi until she was 19 or 21.

well, except for those naked pics he took when she was 17.

she was 9 when she came over.  To say she had no relationship with Woody is disingenuous at best.

Yeah, the naked pictures would be a problem.  But I'm not aware of them.  Any links?

As for her age when she came to the US, it isn't very relevant if Woody never lived with Mia and never spent the night at her apartment.  Apparently, Mia has admitted that Woody had nothing to do with Soon-Yi until she was at least 18, and that the relationship started when she pushed Woody to become more involved.

/Still really creepy.

No more creepy than a 21-year-old Mia Farrow getting involved with 51-year-old Frank Sinatra. No more creepy than a 24-year-old Mia Farrow getting pregnant by a married 40-year-old Andre Previn and subsequently stealing him away from his wife (her friend, apparently) and driving her mad. CERTAINLY no more creepy than a 42-year-old Farrow cheating on Woody with a 71-year-old Frank Sinatra, getting pregnant, and then telling Woody the child was his.

Pot. Kettle. VERY black.

You've convinced me, that's a free pass for Woody to molest children.



Some people just can't accept facts when they want a good witch hunt.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/01/27/the-woody-allen-all eg ations-not-so-fast.html


Excerpts:

"I know I'm treading a delicate path here, and opening myself up to accusations of "blaming the victim." However, I'm merely floating scenarios to consider, and you can think what you will. But if Mia's account is true, it means that in the middle of custody and support negotiations, during which Woody needed to be on his best behavior, in a house belonging to his furious ex-girlfriend, and filled with people seething mad at him, Woody, who is a well-known claustrophobic, decided this would be the ideal time and place to take his daughter into an attic and molest her, quickly, before a house full of children and nannies noticed they were both missing.

...

Let's back up a bit: Mia's allegations of molestation automatically triggered a criminal investigation by the Connecticut State Police, who brought in an investigative team from the Yale-New Haven Hospital, whose six-month long inquiry (which included medical examinations) concluded that Dylan had  not been molested. I've since read a recurring canard that Woody "chose" the investigative team. Yet nobody has suggested how or why Mia's team would ever outsource the investigation to a team "chosen" by Woody. Others have said that the investigators talked to psychiatrists "on Allen's payroll" before letting him off the hook. The only way I can explain this is that the investigators, naturally, would have spoken with Woody's shrinks before giving him a clean bill of health. So technically, yeah, Woody's shrinks would have been paid a lot of money by Woody over the years. (Let's even call it an annuity.) The same would be true of his dentist, his eye doctor, and his internist. 

As for the evidentiary videotape of young Dylan's claims, it's been noted that there were several starts and stops in the recording, essentially creating in-camera "edits" to the young girl's commentary. This raises questions as to what was happening when the tape wasn't running. Was Mia "coaching" her daughter off-camera, as suggested by the investigators? Mia says no-she merely turned the camera on whenever Dylan starting talking about what Daddy did. Maybe we should take Mia at her word on this. Since I wasn't there, I think it's good policy not to presume what took place.

The videotape and the medical exams weren't the only problems Mia faced in bringing abuse charges against her former lover. There were problems with inconsistencies in her daughter's off-camera narrative as well. ANew York Times article dated March 26, 1993,quotes from Mia's own testimony, during which she recalled taking the child to a doctor on the same day as the alleged incident. Farrow recalled, "I think (Dylan) said (Allen) touched her, but when asked where, she just looked around and went like this," at which point Mia patted her shoulders. Farrow recalls she took Dylan to another doctor, four days later. On the stand, Allen's attorney asked Mia about the second doctor's findings: "There was no evidence of injury to the anal or vaginal area, is that correct?" Farrow answered, "Yes."

In the midst of the proceedings, on February 2, 1993,  a revealing article appeared in the Los Angeles Times,
headlined: "Nanny Casts Doubt on Farrow Charges," in which former nanny Monica Thompson (whose salary was paid by Allen, since three of the brood were also his) swore in a deposition to Allen's attorneys that she was pressured by Farrow to support the molestation charges, and the pressure led her to resign her position. Thompson had this to say about the videotape: ""I know that the tape was made over the course of at least two and perhaps three days. I recall Ms. Farrow saying to Dylan at that time, 'Dylan, what did daddy do... and what did he do next?' Dylan appeared not to be interested, and Ms. Farrow would stop taping for a while and then continue."

Thompson further revealed a conversation she had with Kristie Groteke, another nanny. "She told me that she felt guilty allowing Ms. Farrow to say those things about Mr. Allen. (Groteke) said the day Mr. Allen spent with the kids, she did not have Dylan out of her sight for longer than five minutes. She did not remember Dylan being without her underwear."

On April 20, 1993, a sworn statement was entered into evidence by Dr. John M. Leventhal, who headed the Yale-New Haven Hospital investigative team looking into the abuse charges. An article from the New York Times dated May 4, 1993, includes some interesting excerpts of their findings. As to why the team felt the charges didn't hold water, Leventhal states: "We had two hypotheses: one, that these were statements made by an emotionally disturbed child and then became fixed in her mind. And the other hypothesis was that she was coached or influenced by her mother. We did not come to a firm conclusion. We think that it was probably a combination."

Leventhal further swears Dylan's statements at the hospital contradicted each other as well as the story she told on the videotape. "Those were not minor inconsistencies. She told us initially that she hadn't been touched in the vaginal area, and she then told us that she had, then she told us that she hadn't." He also said the child's accounts had "a rehearsed quality." At one point, she told him, "I like to cheat on my stories." The sworn statement further concludes: "Even before the claim of abuse was made last August, the view of Mr. Allen as an evil and awful and terrible man permeated the household. The view that he had molested Soon-Yi and was a potential molester of Dylan permeated the household... It's quite possible -as a matter of fact, we think it's medically probable-that (Dylan) stuck to that story over time because of the intense relationship she had with her mother." Leventhal further notes it was "very striking" that each time Dylan spoke of the abuse, she coupled it with "one, her father's relationship with Soon-Yi, and two, the fact that it was her poor mother, her poor mother," who had lost a career in Mr. Allen's films. "



There's way more to this, of course, but it seems that the people who just want to spew "he's a pedo!" over and over aren't willing to pay any attention to the facts of the case, the people who know the man, and the words of Dylan's own brother who says that Mia was doing a lot of brainwashing, and that he was around that day and witnessed nothing like what Mia and Dylan described.

But hey, he turned you into a newt, so burn him.
 
2014-02-04 03:19:44 PM  

ZeroCorpse: boyofd: frepnog: boyofd: but I think it looks like, based upon the facts outlined in the dailybeast article, that Woody did not have any sort of relationship with Soon-Yi until she was 19 or 21.

well, except for those naked pics he took when she was 17.

she was 9 when she came over.  To say she had no relationship with Woody is disingenuous at best.

Yeah, the naked pictures would be a problem.  But I'm not aware of them.  Any links?

As for her age when she came to the US, it isn't very relevant if Woody never lived with Mia and never spent the night at her apartment.  Apparently, Mia has admitted that Woody had nothing to do with Soon-Yi until she was at least 18, and that the relationship started when she pushed Woody to become more involved.

/Still really creepy.

No more creepy than a 21-year-old Mia Farrow getting involved with 51-year-old Frank Sinatra. No more creepy than a 24-year-old Mia Farrow getting pregnant by a married 40-year-old Andre Previn and subsequently stealing him away from his wife (her friend, apparently) and driving her mad. CERTAINLY no more creepy than a 42-year-old Farrow cheating on Woody with a 71-year-old Frank Sinatra, getting pregnant, and then telling Woody the child was his.

Pot. Kettle. VERY black.


I am in complete agreement that Mia has a lot to answer for, and that her activities and motives make Dylan's accusations suspect.  But (1) don't blame 21-year old Mia for getting involved with 51-year old Frank.  The creepiness on that relationship comes from Frank's end, and there is still a huge difference between starting a relationship with a 21-year old actress and a 19-year old daughter of your girlfriend.

And (2) nothing about Mia's activities in this case lends any defense to Woody for his relationship with Soon-Yi (which is creepy and immoral, in my eyes, but not unlawful or evidence in favor of Dylan's accusations).
 
2014-02-04 03:22:56 PM  

Marisyana: Seriously, I don't understand why anyone would think this kid's father was Frank Sinatra.  Really, no clue whatsoever ...
[cdn-s3.thewrap.com image 618x400]


Yeah - he was on Real Time's panel the other night - Yeah - Sinatra's DNA is all up in that kids genetic code.
 
2014-02-04 03:27:30 PM  

frepnog: boyofd: That's not very good evidence that Soon-Yi was 17 when it started.

yeah because I have never farked women that i took naked pics of.

/yes I have, every last farking one.


You are missing my point, I think.  The evidence I have seen (including an admission from Mia) was that Woody and Soon-Yi met like 3 times before she turned 18 or 19 (Soon-Yi did not live with Mia, but with her father), and that their relationship began when she was 19 or 21.  The counter-evidence you claim is photographs of a naked 17-year old Soon-Yi, but there is nothing offered (other than Mia's word, I guess) that those photographs took place 2 years before Woody and Soon-Yi started seeing each other (nor were there apparently many opportunities).  You seem to be taking it on faith that (1) the photos exist; (2) that Woody took them; and (3) that Mia could tell the difference between her daughter at 17 and 19.
 
2014-02-04 03:32:46 PM  

frepnog: ok, fark just kills me.

Woody accused, never convicted of a crime, adult victim maintains abuse occurred - oh Mia is just nuts, let's dig into her past and make her look nuts, she slept around, victim is making it up, WHORE


I don't really give a shiat about Zimmerman (though he's a prick), and the point wasn't that Mia's a "whore" -- The point is that people are screaming for Woody's head because he was 56 and Soon-Yi was 19 (or 21), but conveniently overlooking that Mia was 21 and Sinatra was 51, or that Mia was 24 and Andre Previn was 40 (and married).

If you're going to assume Woody's scum because he went for a younger woman, then you have to apply the same logic to Mia and her relationships with older men, not to mention her infidelity.

There's no evidence that Woody ever inappropriately touched any children, ever. It's been refuted by MANY people, including Mia's own son.

So your main reason for smearing Woody is his relationship with Soon-Yi, which was legal, adult, above-the-board, and not in any way incestuous or abusive. You just can't admit that the bullshiat you've been spouting about Soon-Yi being a little girl and/or Woody's "daughter"  isn't true, and so you're standing by your original stance come hell or high water.

Which leads us all to believe it comes down to you hating Woody personally. Maybe you hate his movies. Maybe you hate his political stance. Maybe you hate him for other reasons. Whatever the case, you're ignoring facts to support  your own fantasy version of things.

Doctors, officers of the court, Dylan's own brother, nannies that worked for Mia, and several other people have actively and openly contradicted Mia and Dylan's version of events. I don't see how anyone can look at the facts and then keep saying "he's a child molester" as if it's a fact. It's not a fact. It's not even a very solid accusation at this point.

As for bringing Mia's character into question: HELL YES, the character of an accuser is DEFINITELY of value in any investigation.
 
2014-02-04 03:33:17 PM  

hasty ambush: INeedAName: I think Hollywood needs to burn a bit over this. They seem to be pretty insular and protective over some pretty questionable stuff at times and it would be good for some light to get in there and expose some of the crap.

Many of the Hollywood types are in the same crowd that say if a woman claims to have been raped she must be believed, They are normally not so shy in voicing their opinions are matters like this.... unless of course it is of of their own Allen , Polanski, Clinton any Kennedy. Then it becomes not really any of their business or as in the case of Polanski it was not "rape, rape" and excusable.

Do I think Allen is a creepy pervert who I would not trust around kids? Yes. I s he innocent till proven guilty Yes. The actions of Mia and company right now leave me with too much room for reasonable doubt at this point. Allen would not be the first man to be falsely accused thanks to the coaching of a child by a bitter ex.


Is he overrated in his profession. Most definitely.


Agreed on all points
 
2014-02-04 03:34:15 PM  

ZeroCorpse: susansto-helit: kanesays: Jizz Master Zero: Can anyone give me an unbiased rundown of this whole thing? I've been able to pick up little details (there was a taped deposition that was suspiciously stopped/started in between every question and answer, the whole thing was thrown out of court for lack of evidence, Mia Farrow has a reputation as a childish psycho), but I have no idea what the full story is and I can't find a concise account anywhere.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/01/27/the-woody-allen-all eg ations-not-so-fast.html

This is a look at the allegations, with full disclosure of the author being the director of the PBS documentary on Allen.

Would something written by a guy doing a documentary on Allen qualify as *unbiased*?

Maybe not "unbiased", but it's an accurate telling from someone inside the situation, with links to other articles from that time that support his point of view, and it's written from a very balanced perspective.

I think people just want a good old-fashioned witch hunt, and they're getting upset that the facts are not supporting the accusations in this case.


Some people would disagree with your assessment of Weide's "balanced perspecive."

http://www.slate.com/articles/life/culturebox/2014/02/woody_allen_s_ bi ggest_defender_robert_weide_s_attack_on_mia_farrow_and_her.html
 
2014-02-04 03:38:20 PM  

farkeruk: hasty ambush: But Hollywood and the movie going public does not seem to care given the how they treat the likes Polanski.  I mean they will boycott things like Arizona but one of their own over child rape, not hardly.

Personally, I boycott Polanski's films for that reason. Still not seen The Pianist (I should probably just rip it from a Warez site). He can go and serve his time, then I'll start watching them.

And I could easily boycott Allen's films. I've seen a couple recently. One was bad, one was good, but he's not like Guillermo del Toro or Brad Bird where I have to watch everything they make.

But I'm still not comfortable about these allegations.


Who would be comfortable with such allegations, but it also highlights one of the problems.  Simply being accused is enough to make you guilty in many people's minds.  If Allen were joe average the accusations alone could cost him his career, family etc even if they are never substantiated not so Hollywood.


That Allen is a major sleaze is a given but that by itself is not enough to convict.
 
2014-02-04 03:43:58 PM  

ZeroCorpse: So your main reason for smearing Woody is his relationship with Soon-Yi, which was legal, adult, above-the-board, and not in any way incestuous or abusive. You just can't admit that the bullshiat you've been spouting about Soon-Yi being a little girl and/or Woody's "daughter" isn't true, and so you're standing by your original stance come hell or high water.


nah.  I will freely admit that when Woody went public with the relationship, she was of legal age.  I don't care about the age difference.  Hell, my own wife is considerably younger than me.

I care that the victim maintains that the abuse occurred.  I care that it is highly likely that Woody's relationship with Soon-Yi started before she was of legal age, showing his obvious interest in girls too young.  I care that Woody being Woody Allen may have shielded him from scrutiny.

I am afraid that in years to come, his children with Soon-Yi adopted or otherwise may have some tales to tell.

I dunno.  I suppose it doesn't matter.
 
2014-02-04 04:31:17 PM  

ChrisDe: The Muthaship: Alec deserves a pass for this, he was busy abusing his own daughter.

Actually, his response was on point. He doesn't know what the hell went on, and we don't either.


I don't think it was "on point" at all.  It's perfectly reasonable for Dylan Farrow to demand to know why he's enriching the man she claims raped her when she was a child.
 
2014-02-04 04:35:24 PM  

Jizz Master Zero: Can anyone give me an unbiased rundown of this whole thing? I've been able to pick up little details (there was a taped deposition that was suspiciously stopped/started in between every question and answer, the whole thing was thrown out of court for lack of evidence, Mia Farrow has a reputation as a childish psycho), but I have no idea what the full story is and I can't find a concise account anywhere.


Woody Allen married Mia Farrow.  While they were married, he had an affair with Mia Farrow's daughter (Soon Yi).  Mia found out about it, Woody left Mia for Soon Yi, and around this time Dylan Farrow (then 7) claimed that Woody Allen raped her.  Now an adult, Dylan Farrow is sticking to her story.
 
2014-02-04 04:42:05 PM  

meanmutton: Woody Allen married Mia Farrow.


I think I see your problem: you're trolling.
 
2014-02-04 04:45:17 PM  

susansto-helit: kanesays: Jizz Master Zero: Can anyone give me an unbiased rundown of this whole thing? I've been able to pick up little details (there was a taped deposition that was suspiciously stopped/started in between every question and answer, the whole thing was thrown out of court for lack of evidence, Mia Farrow has a reputation as a childish psycho), but I have no idea what the full story is and I can't find a concise account anywhere.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/01/27/the-woody-allen-all eg ations-not-so-fast.html

This is a look at the allegations, with full disclosure of the author being the director of the PBS documentary on Allen.

Would something written by a guy doing a documentary on Allen qualify as *unbiased*?


You would prefer a journalist who has never met the man, knows not a thing about him other than what he read in the tabloids, or have an inkling as to what a man is like in his personal life? Or is it preferable to have a person who has spent years around the man as he worked on the biography of the man's work, has been a witness to the man's behavior behind closed doors, and how he has conducted himself, both privately and professionally?


I know whom I feel would present a more complete and accurate story.
 
2014-02-04 04:45:32 PM  

BeatrixK: Marisyana: Seriously, I don't understand why anyone would think this kid's father was Frank Sinatra.  Really, no clue whatsoever ...
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Yeah - he was on Real Time's panel the other night - Yeah - Sinatra's DNA is all up in that kids genetic code.


Add in that Woody married Soon-Yi in her twenties, when she would have been quite fertile ... and almost immeditely adopted two kids.  Also Nancy Sinatra has said that Ronan is "a big part" of the Sinatra family's lives.  Why would a kid mothered by your dad's very brief third wife be a big part of your family?  According to the 1993 Vanity Fair article Woody supposedly had next to nothing to do with Ronan either--and this was his only biological child.  Now it kind of makes sense.

The whole thing is creepy.  I have no sympathy for either Woody or Mia.
 
2014-02-04 04:46:47 PM  

meanmutton: I don't think it was "on point" at all. It's perfectly reasonable for Dylan Farrow to demand to know why he's enriching the man she claims raped her when she was a child.


Fark members have insulted me several times in Fark threads. Why are you enriching Fark when it's been proven time and time again there are cynical douchebags here that are mean to people?

Alec Baldwin has nothing to do with Woody Allen's personal life. Neither does anyone else not involved in this shiatstorm. I work with plenty of douchebags at work. Men who cheat on their wives. Women who cheat on their husbands. Men who have gone to court for numerous crimes. It wouldn't surprise me if one or two of them had 'secret lives' that noone knows about.

Does that make me an accomplice for sharing a workplace with potentially evil people? Or does it just make me a human being who by nature is forced to work with evil people? I have nothing to do with their personal lives.
 
2014-02-04 04:55:54 PM  

meanmutton: Jizz Master Zero: Can anyone give me an unbiased rundown of this whole thing? I've been able to pick up little details (there was a taped deposition that was suspiciously stopped/started in between every question and answer, the whole thing was thrown out of court for lack of evidence, Mia Farrow has a reputation as a childish psycho), but I have no idea what the full story is and I can't find a concise account anywhere.

Woody Allen married Mia Farrow.  While they were married, he had an affair with Mia Farrow's daughter (Soon Yi).  Mia found out about it, Woody left Mia for Soon Yi, and around this time Dylan Farrow (then 7) claimed that Woody Allen raped her.  Now an adult, Dylan Farrow is sticking to her story.


Slight correction, Allen and Farrow were not legally married.    They were a long time couple, but not married.

Not that I don't still find it incredibly creepy, inappropriate and gross, especially since Sun Yi was 19 when the affair started  (at least Allen claims she was 19 ).
 
2014-02-04 05:26:02 PM  

ZeroCorpse: Woody was in his mid-50s and Soon-Yi was either 19 or 21 (her Korean birth record is not clear, but it's one of those two) when they got together. She's highly intelligent, and Mia pushed them into spending time together... And they fell in love.



 I love how it's implied here that Farrow somehow played de facto matchmaker because she had the audacity and naivete  to expect that her adopted daughter and long time partner could be put in a room together with out him boinking her.

ZeroCorpse: No more creepy than a 21-year-old Mia Farrow getting involved with 51-year-old Frank Sinatra. No more creepy than a 24-year-old Mia Farrow getting pregnant by a married 40-year-old Andre Previn and subsequently stealing him away from his wife (her friend, apparently) and driving her mad. CERTAINLY no more creepy than a 42-year-old Farrow cheating on Woody with a 71-year-old Frank Sinatra, getting pregnant, and then telling Woody the child was his.


Actually, yes ... way more creepy. Because it's not just an age difference thing, there's also the complete and utter lack of personal boundaries involved with having an affair with someone who is essentially your teenage step-daughter.     Which apparently doesn't even enter your mind (see above).

If Allen directed generic action movies, Hollywood wouldn't touch him with a 1,000 foot pole and he would have as many defenders as Mel Gibson.    But because he directs "important" movies  like Small Time Crooks, then obviously the woman who has spent her life adopting and raising 9 destitute orphans and works on documentaries about Rwanda (as opposed to her crappy jazz band vanity project) is just a dirty slut.
 
2014-02-04 05:28:31 PM  

frepnog: someonelse: I don't think I've ever seen anyone so illogically and passionately convinced of their rightness about something so impossible to ever be "right" about as you are.

try typing your next post BEFORE you take a bong rip.


That's no fun. And my point stands.
 
2014-02-04 05:54:46 PM  

Cletus C.: mekki: someonelse: frepnog: faked paternity? who cares?

Sinatra's wife, I imagine.

Also, Allen for having to pay child support

She tried to pass off this kid as Woody Allen's kid.
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And now she is being all coy and saying that it was Sinatra's kid. And if this is the case, which, come on, look at that mug, it would mean she had an affair with Frank while he was still married. And she knew this and yet still made Allen pay for child support for him.

Farrow is a notorious liar who does what she wants. Others be damned.

Is your point that the little girl deserved to be diddled?


No, my point is I think it never happened. I think this was a case of a parent who was going through a horrible custody battle, has a history of lying and cheating and was willing to brainwash her then seven year old child into believing this happened. One of her kid wants nothing to do with her now for this very reason. He said that Farrow brainwashed his siblings to get what she wanted.

But, hey, keep on ignoring facts because feelings are more important, right?
 
2014-02-04 06:27:15 PM  

Diogenes: eldritch2k4: Diogenes: You knew me when I was a little girl, Diane Keaton. Have you forgotten me?"

You may have answered your own question, Mia.  Dory Previn knew you, too.  And she ended up in the looney bin as a result.

Mia didn't ask the question, her daughter did.

Ah, right.  Then I partially withdraw my comment.  I still believe Mia's a psycho who infects almost everyone she gets close to.  Including her children.


It does seem that way.
None of us were there that day but the chick has a screw loose to be bringing his up, publicly, so many years later.
Good for Alec Baldwin. Unfortunately it is popular and PC to jump on the vicitm's bandwagon without any regard for the accused's privacy or truth of the events.
 
2014-02-04 07:00:55 PM  

mekki: No, my point is I think it never happened. I think this was a case of a parent who was going through a horrible custody battle, has a history of lying and cheating and was willing to brainwash her then seven year old child into believing this happened. One of her kid wants nothing to do with her now for this very reason. He said that Farrow brainwashed his siblings to get what she wanted.

But, hey, keep on ignoring facts because feelings are more important, right?


I don't think you know the "facts" any more than I do. I read this woman's letter and find it quite compelling. She's speaking as an adult about her childhood trauma.

You want to make it about what it was when she was a little girl under the control of her mother. It's not that anymore. It's a woman pointing her finger at her alleged abuser.
 
2014-02-04 07:21:29 PM  

Darth Macho: The child is now 28 years old and knows the difference between false and true memories


Uhh?   It has been proven scientifically that there is a thing called "False Memory Syndrome" in which a person (children are particularly are susceptible) in which a memory can be "implanted" and the person cannot distinguish between the "false" memory and one which was based on reality.

Do you not remember from about a decade or so ago, thousands of men being charged with sexually abusing their children based on the testimony of now adult children who claimed they had memories of such sexual abuse since childhood.  As it turns out and the reason why almost all of these convictions have been overturned in the interim and that is because it was scientifically proven that such memories can be created and implanted by someone attempting to do so.

There's still some adults out there, who as children testified to an alleged string of satanic ritual sex abuse committed by their parents and their parents friends, neighbors, etc.   After 37 people had been convicted, it was finally determined that NO SUCH ABUSE HAD HAPPENED and that all "memories" of such had been implanted by a sheriff's deputy and a social worker in what they claimed were "therapy sessions" with the children.   So we know for a fact now, that there was no mass child abuse, that all of the those sent to prison were innocent and yet, there's still a significant number of those who testified, and who are now adults, still are convinced that it all happened and still refuse contact with their parents.

Just read up on this by searching Kern County or by going online and finding the documentary on the subject.
 
2014-02-04 07:38:25 PM  
I MEAN, WHO DOESN'T LIKE TAKING NUDE PICS OF 19-YEAR-OLD KOREAN CHICKS?
 
2014-02-04 07:42:37 PM  

mekki: someonelse: frepnog: faked paternity? who cares?

Sinatra's wife, I imagine.

Also, Allen for having to pay child support

She tried to pass off this kid as Woody Allen's kid.
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And now she is being all coy and saying that it was Sinatra's kid. And if this is the case, which, come on, look at that mug, it would mean she had an affair with Frank while he was still married. And she knew this and yet still made Allen pay for child support for him.

Farrow is a notorious liar who does what she wants. Others be damned.


Hmm, look what I found -

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2014-02-04 08:50:30 PM  
1) How can Mia claim that she found pics of Soon-Yi at 17, when her birthdate is not known and may be off by up to two years (and two years is a guess at best)? She just as easily could have been 19. Even if Mia could tell the difference between one year and the next in a photo. (Hairstyle, maybe?) She's not claiming that Soon-Yi was any younger than 17, so she was more likely of age than under age, even if Mia was correct as to the year the pics were taken.

2) How the hell did two unmarried people with separate homes adopt children together?
 
2014-02-04 08:57:17 PM  

INeedAName: I think Hollywood needs to burn a bit over this. They seem to be pretty insular and protective over some pretty questionable stuff at times and it would be good for some light to get in there and expose some of the crap.

You also

NeedToGetAGrip
 
2014-02-04 10:53:07 PM  
Cletus C,

Please, do yourself a favor and read up on the John Stoll case (Kern County, CA).   There was a wave of allegations of "pedophilia sex rings" "satanic ritual child sex abuse" in the 80's.  Some of this was urged upon by a few local pastors but was picked up on by a local sheriff's deputy and a social worker.  The social worker interviewed scores of kids and came to the conclusion that has many of sixty of the them had been sexually abused.  (Later, when the appellate courts reviewed tapes of those sessions it showed the social worker convincing these kids that they had been abused, not that the kids had brought it up to her.)

Ultimately, 35 or so adults were sent to prison, most for multiple counts of sexual assaults on children. (Later, every single conviction was overturned when the entire episode turned out to be a hoax.)   Among those numbers was a guy by the name of John Stoll.  His ex-wife was at that time dating the pastor of her church and the two of them appeared to scheme up some charges against her ex-husband to solve a custody dispute issue.  Stoll was charged and convicted of 17 counts relating to the sexual abuse of 6 different children, including his son Jed. (who was 6/7 at the time.)

When the state finally caught on that there was a bunch of people wrongfully convicted based on false accusations and implanted memories, the convictions were overturned.  Most of the kids came forward to admit that they had been coached and the things they described never happened.

So now we know, the entire thing was basically created out of thin air by a few over-zealous people who lied to children, lied to prosecutors, lied to judges and lied to the public.  It's an almost certainty that not a one of these children was actually a victim of anything relating to sexual abuse.  But guess what, John Stoll's son Jed, who is now an adult in his mid 30's is still convinced that he WAS sexually abused.  He will not speak to his father and has refused all contact with him.

I'm certain that Jed Stoll believes in his heart that he was molested, just as I am convinced that Dylan Farrow believes she was molested.  The entire point here is that children of that age can and have been lead into believing all kinds of things. That it is scientifically proven that such "implanted" memories can often remain for life, regardless of what evidence you can provide to the "victim" that disproves what they believe.  It's simply too ingrained for them to let it go as it is real, to them.

Look up a study commonly referred to as "Lost in the Mall" where even adolescents in their teens and early adulthood can be convinced that events that were created out of thin air by the developers of the study, actually happened to them as children.
 
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