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(World Review)   Sochi is Russia's face to the world. But beneath the modern veneer lies an immense rotting rustbelt - Soviet-era monotowns. Full of unemployment, pollution and despair - these monoliths are a damning indictment of Russia's crumbling economy   (worldreview.info) divider line 66
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2014-02-04 04:38:11 AM
...and amurika is any different?
 
2014-02-04 05:55:03 AM
media-files.gathermedia.info
 
2014-02-04 07:17:00 AM

some_beer_drinker: ...and amurika is any different?


Considerably different.
 
2014-02-04 08:41:07 AM

some_beer_drinker: ...and amurika is any different?


It is funny because you spelled it incorrectly.
 
2014-02-04 08:43:30 AM
Unpossible, Putin is a conservative hero.
 
2014-02-04 08:44:09 AM
I do not understand. The nation of Russia does not allow same-sex marriage, and has even taken measures to make homosexuals unwelcome within the nation. Why, then, is that nation's economy not prosperous?
 
2014-02-04 08:44:18 AM
So, Michigan then?
 
2014-02-04 08:48:59 AM

LarryDan43: Unpossible, Putin is a conservative hero.


Really?  I thought Putin would appeal to the more government is good anti-capitalist crowd.
 
2014-02-04 08:56:08 AM
See "potemkin"
 
2014-02-04 08:56:17 AM
I'd say it's more of a damning indictment of mid to late 20th century Soviet economic policies, but that's just me.
 
2014-02-04 08:56:37 AM
So Russia is just like Ohio?
 
2014-02-04 08:56:40 AM

Gunny Highway: some_beer_drinker: ...and amurika is any different?

It is funny because you spelled it incorrectly.


What wit! Clearly he is an elite member of the Total Fark left.
 
2014-02-04 08:57:31 AM

elkev: I'd say it's more of a damning indictment of mid to late 20th century Soviet economic policies, but that's just me.


Agreed; I'm happy to criticize Russia wherever possible, but the monotowns seem to be the leftovers of a planned economy.
 
2014-02-04 08:57:34 AM
Modern?
 
2014-02-04 08:58:40 AM
Capitalism doesn't have to be incompatible  with regulation; who thinks that a business that needs to harm the environment to function, for example, is really profitable?
 
2014-02-04 09:01:33 AM

signaljammer: Capitalism doesn't have to be incompatible  with regulation; who thinks that a business that needs to harm the environment to function, for example, is really profitable?


I'll take non sequitur for $300, Alex.
 
2014-02-04 09:04:33 AM
So they're just Putin on the Ritz?

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2014-02-04 09:06:56 AM
If only they could go back to the good old days under the Soviet Union.
 
2014-02-04 09:08:56 AM
So... Russia's got mono?

 
2014-02-04 09:14:46 AM

LarryDan43: Unpossible, Putin is a conservative hero.


I doubt it. They hate that he is a commie. His anti-homosexual stance would likely not be enough to sway their opinion
 
2014-02-04 09:19:05 AM
So they have more Detroits than we do?
 
2014-02-04 09:21:40 AM
ITS NOT DETROIT!
 
2014-02-04 09:22:08 AM
Motown, monotown - soame difference.
 
2014-02-04 09:27:11 AM

hasty ambush: Really? I thought Putin would appeal to the more government is good anti-capitalist crowd.


Authoritarian - check
Anti-gay - check
Laissez faire for the wealthy and powerful - check
A daddy figure to swoon over - check

Conservative paradise.
 
2014-02-04 09:27:57 AM

some_beer_drinker: ...and amurika is any different?


Yes. America may have its problems, but it can always rely on not being as bad as Russia.

True, we face some of the same problems as them. Aging infrastructure, unemployment, corruption, but none of it is on the scale that the Russian's are facing it.

Of course, they are still very much suffering from the effects of the collapse of the Soviet Union. Also, brain drain from the 90's.

Meanwhile we are suffering from our own greed. The economy didn't have to crash in 2008, it was totally preventable. Companies didn't have to outsource so much so quickly either, but great American companies like Walmart made sure that that happened. Of course, automation is bringing back manufacturing to the US. Only you need strong math skills now and fewer workers.

Anyway, I guess my point is that the US will hit a wall soon enough too. Our failing education system, the rise of automation/robots, and the fact that social mobility in this country is not very good to say the least. Eventually that means we're going to be left with mass unemployment and no jobs unless we do something now. Thanks Republicans.
 
2014-02-04 09:31:51 AM
Full of unemployment, pollution and despair - these monoliths are a damning indictment of Russia's the Soviet Union's crumbling economy

FTFY. Artificial towns built by the Soviet Union to desperately keep an illusion alive? Not Russia's fault. Russia != Soviet Union. Blaming Russia, today, for the Soviet Union's past failures is like blaming Obama for the recession caused by the Dubya Debacle. Russia merely inherited the problem.
 
2014-02-04 09:31:55 AM

Dimensio: I do not understand. The nation of Russia does not allow same-sex marriage, and has even taken measures to make homosexuals unwelcome within the nation. Why, then, is that nation's economy not prosperous?


But they ain't got Jebus.  Without Jebus, the magic don't work.  For the magic to work, you need Jebus, guns and capitalism, then you get blessed like this:

static6.businessinsider.com
 
2014-02-04 09:35:08 AM

Fissile: Dimensio: I do not understand. The nation of Russia does not allow same-sex marriage, and has even taken measures to make homosexuals unwelcome within the nation. Why, then, is that nation's economy not prosperous?

But they ain't got Jebus.  Without Jebus, the magic don't work.  For the magic to work, you need Jebus, guns and capitalism, then you get blessed like this:

[static6.businessinsider.com image 760x600]


It is funny because spelled it incorrectly.
 
2014-02-04 09:38:27 AM

bbfreak: some_beer_drinker: ...and amurika is any different?

Yes. America may have its problems, but it can always rely on not being as bad as Russia.

True, we face some of the same problems as them. Aging infrastructure, unemployment, corruption, but none of it is on the scale that the Russian's are facing it.

Of course, they are still very much suffering from the effects of the collapse of the Soviet Union. Also, brain drain from the 90's.

Meanwhile we are suffering from our own greed. The economy didn't have to crash in 2008, it was totally preventable. Companies didn't have to outsource so much so quickly either, but great American companies like Walmart made sure that that happened. Of course, automation is bringing back manufacturing to the US. Only you need strong math skills now and fewer workers.

Anyway, I guess my point is that the US will hit a wall soon enough too. Our failing education system, the rise of automation/robots, and the fact that social mobility in this country is not very good to say the least. Eventually that means we're going to be left with mass unemployment and no jobs unless we do something now. Thanks Republicans.


So basically "Hey! We're not like Russia...yet. Give it a few years."

Definitely a good soap box to lecture from then. Why can't you be more like us stupid Russia?
 
2014-02-04 09:46:26 AM

bbfreak: Anyway, I guess my point is that the US will hit a wall soon enough too. Our failing education system, the rise of automation/robots, and the fact that social mobility in this country is not very good to say the least. Eventually that means we're going to be left with mass unemployment and no jobs unless we do something now. Thanks Republicans.


The CIA needs to manufacture 'al-Qaeda in the South China Sea'. China has a lot of problems with separatism in Muslim regions, making that a plausible entity. It's relatively easy to take out a container ship either in port or at sail. Making it too expensive to ship out of South East Asia could change the economic argument for offshoring in matter of months. Even the relatively minor problem of piracy* has had an impact on trade routes and costs.
 

Obviously the unexpected consequences could permanently destabilise the region/trigger WW3, tip over into currency and equity collapse, but that's never stopped anybody.

*minor in the sense that the overwhelming majority of people, vessels, and goods are released unharmed
 
2014-02-04 09:46:45 AM

Barnstormer: So they're just Putin on the Ritz?

[upload.wikimedia.org image 335x293]


semi-related fun fact:

a couple weeks ago somehow i ended up reading about the guy who made the song "puttin' on the ritz", TACO.

i learned that his name, Taco, is NOT a stage name (or band name) as i'd always thought...it's actually the name his parents gave him at birth!
 
2014-02-04 09:48:55 AM
Anyone else catch the fact that the Russian unemployment rate is better than the US?
 
2014-02-04 09:49:36 AM
So, almost as bad as East St Louis, but not quite... got it.
 
2014-02-04 09:49:51 AM

bbfreak: Yes. America may have its problems, but it can always rely on not being as bad as Russia.

True, we face some of the same problems as them. Aging infrastructure, unemployment, corruption, but none of it is on the scale that the Russian's are facing it.

Of course, they are still very much suffering from the effects of the collapse of the Soviet Union. Also, brain drain from the 90's.

Meanwhile we are suffering from our own greed. The economy didn't have to crash in 2008, it was totally preventable. Companies didn't have to outsource so much so quickly either, but great American companies like Walmart made sure that that happened. Of course, automation is bringing back manufacturing to the US. Only you need strong math skills now and fewer workers.

Anyway, I guess my point is that the US will hit a wall soon enough too. Our failing education system, the rise of automation/robots, and the fact that social mobility in this country is not very good to say the least. Eventually that means we're going to be left with mass unemployment and no jobs unless we do something now. Thanks Republicans.


All of those things and everything that is wrong with America is that fault of the GOP?
 
2014-02-04 09:50:19 AM

jayphat: Anyone else catch the fact that the Russian unemployment rate is better than the US?


While possibly true... there are tens of thousands of Russians who are working for the promise of pay who rarely if ever actually get paid.
 
2014-02-04 09:50:58 AM

Shadow Blasko: jayphat: Anyone else catch the fact that the Russian unemployment rate is better than the US?

While possibly true... there are tens of thousands of Russians who are working for the promise of pay who rarely if ever actually get paid.


So....interns?
 
2014-02-04 09:51:48 AM
Government/corporate unwillingness to provide real, useful training and relocation assistance to those interested in training for new work is a significant part of the problem.

Corporate willingness to discard workers shortly after they relocate is even more a part of the problem. IBM, I'm looking at you.
 
2014-02-04 09:53:12 AM

jaytkay: hasty ambush: Really? I thought Putin would appeal to the more government is good anti-capitalist crowd.

Authoritarian - check
Anti-gay - check
Laissez faire for the wealthy and powerful - check
A daddy figure to swoon over - check

Conservative paradise.


uncheck, The rich and powerful ended in jail  and /or had their businesses nationalized.  There is no Laissez faire, they do exactly what Putin tells them to do or they end up in jail and their business /wealth become government property
 
2014-02-04 10:19:23 AM

Gunny Highway: bbfreak: Yes. America may have its problems, but it can always rely on not being as bad as Russia.

True, we face some of the same problems as them. Aging infrastructure, unemployment, corruption, but none of it is on the scale that the Russian's are facing it.

Of course, they are still very much suffering from the effects of the collapse of the Soviet Union. Also, brain drain from the 90's.

Meanwhile we are suffering from our own greed. The economy didn't have to crash in 2008, it was totally preventable. Companies didn't have to outsource so much so quickly either, but great American companies like Walmart made sure that that happened. Of course, automation is bringing back manufacturing to the US. Only you need strong math skills now and fewer workers.

Anyway, I guess my point is that the US will hit a wall soon enough too. Our failing education system, the rise of automation/robots, and the fact that social mobility in this country is not very good to say the least. Eventually that means we're going to be left with mass unemployment and no jobs unless we do something now. Thanks Republicans.

All of those things and everything that is wrong with America is that fault of the GOP?


Not all of it no, but the Republicans certainly own the economic polices that have led us to where we are today.
 
2014-02-04 10:50:38 AM
Sochi is Russias Detroit?
 
2014-02-04 10:55:38 AM

some_beer_drinker: ...and amurika is any different?


Actually, it is. If you weren't an idiot, you would know that. We eliminated this situation decades ago. Single-industry cities are extremely rare in the USA. And if you want to wallow in extra stupid stupidity with stupid sauce and a side of stupid and yowl "Detroit". Sorry, but showing off your stupidity doesn't make the stupid things you claim true. Detroit long ago lost its auto industry.

Go back to whacking off to Rachel Maddow pictures.
 
2014-02-04 10:57:24 AM

RussianPooper: [media-files.gathermedia.info image 550x412]


Dear extremely stupid waste of DNA: FLINT IS ATYPICAL FOR THE USA AND IT IS WRITTEN OFF AS DEAD BY THE REST OF THE COUNTRY.

I realize that you are an idiot, but try to understand that the USA has left behind this model of production and left it behind decades ago.

Let me guess, you still whine over the Burning of the Valleys campaign in upstate New York.
 
2014-02-04 10:58:13 AM

Gunny Highway: Fissile: Dimensio: I do not understand. The nation of Russia does not allow same-sex marriage, and has even taken measures to make homosexuals unwelcome within the nation. Why, then, is that nation's economy not prosperous?

But they ain't got Jebus.  Without Jebus, the magic don't work.  For the magic to work, you need Jebus, guns and capitalism, then you get blessed like this:

[static6.businessinsider.com image 760x600]

It is funny because spelled it incorrectly.


You are absolutely correct.  I need to work on my hillbilly spelling.
 
2014-02-04 11:06:55 AM
Remanents of Industrialization not Nationilization.
 
2014-02-04 11:22:14 AM
Do they have a monorail? I want to go on the monorail.
 
2014-02-04 11:46:25 AM

jayphat: Anyone else catch the fact that the Russian unemployment rate is better than the US?


Might be true, but I doubt it.  I'm reluctant to take national statistics seriously outside of the major developed countries.  The rest haven't been doing it very long and don't really have the resources for statistics-gathering agencies like we have.

And given that it's Russia -- basically a mafia state -- I kind of doubt the agencies are as well insulated as (say) the BLS.
 
2014-02-04 11:55:16 AM

bbfreak: Not all of it no, but the Republicans certainly own the economic polices that have led us to where we are today.


You're one of those people who doesn't realize that the Bush administration added more regulations than any before it, aren't you?
 
2014-02-04 12:09:27 PM
1. This is a repeat.
2. It's Russia, I thought this was already common knowledge.
 
2014-02-04 12:42:40 PM

Silly_Sot: RussianPooper: [media-files.gathermedia.info image 550x412]

Dear extremely stupid waste of DNA: FLINT IS ATYPICAL FOR THE USA AND IT IS WRITTEN OFF AS DEAD BY THE REST OF THE COUNTRY.

I realize that you are an idiot, but try to understand that the USA has left behind this model of production and left it behind decades ago.

Let me guess, you still whine over the Burning of the Valleys campaign in upstate New York.


I'm whining you drama queen, I just see the parallel. Society moves forward. If you build a city based around one industry, this kind of thing happens. I'm not holding a candle for Flint, the article was talking about pretty much the same thing in Russia.

What a farking presumptuous douchebag you are.
 
2014-02-04 12:49:18 PM
And this is different than any other city's Olympics how?
 
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