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(SFGate)   Because the Super Bowl was such a lopsided game, that means the San Francisco 49ers are the second-best team in the league   (sfgate.com) divider line 95
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2014-02-04 08:43:52 AM
But since the Colts beat the 49ers AND the Seahawks, that means the Colts are the best team in the league!
 
2014-02-04 08:44:15 AM
Broncos fan here. How could you deny that headline at all?
 
2014-02-04 08:48:52 AM
Second best doesn't matter.
 
2014-02-04 08:49:37 AM

The Gentleman Caller: Broncos fan here. How could you deny that headline at all?


Because reality says otherwise? Sure, the Broncos got a hard second place - let's face it, the 49ers still ended up tied for third with the Patriots. You can argue numbers all you like, but at the end of the day, that's how this year's post-season ended, no matter how you try to polish that turd.

Suck it, Forty-whiners. You didn't make the cut. Stop trying to make it all about you.
 
2014-02-04 08:50:55 AM

the_cnidarian: Second best doesn't matter.


Sure it does - that's why Denver went to the Super Bowl, after all. The 49ers didn't even make "second best" within the scope of this discussion. At best, they were "second best" in our division, so I guess they can nurse that until next season.
 
2014-02-04 08:53:27 AM
As the top second place (in a division) team, they have a solid lock on ninth place. Well done, niners!
 
2014-02-04 08:57:11 AM
Sports journalism isn't critical thinking, it's pandering to your audience.
 
2014-02-04 09:01:25 AM
They were the second-best team before the Super Bowl too.
 
2014-02-04 09:03:23 AM

machoprogrammer: But since the Colts beat the 49ers AND the Seahawks AND the Broncos, that means the Colts are the best team in the league!


/Go Colts
 
2014-02-04 09:05:59 AM

FormlessOne: the_cnidarian: Second best doesn't matter.

Sure it does - that's why Denver went to the Super Bowl, after all. The 49ers didn't even make "second best" within the scope of this discussion. At best, they were "second best" in our division, so I guess they can nurse that until next season.


Denver played the Super Bowl for a chance to be first best. Seahawks are champs until next year, second best is irrelevant.

/Go Cowboys
//cries a little
 
2014-02-04 09:09:16 AM

the_cnidarian: FormlessOne: the_cnidarian: Second best doesn't matter.

Sure it does - that's why Denver went to the Super Bowl, after all. The 49ers didn't even make "second best" within the scope of this discussion. At best, they were "second best" in our division, so I guess they can nurse that until next season.

Denver played the Super Bowl for a chance to be first best. Seahawks are champs until next year, second best is irrelevant.

/Go Cowboys
//cries a little


...I remember that team!
 
2014-02-04 09:21:58 AM
Stupid logic...The Falcons are undefeated in the playoffs against Russell Wilson so they are the best.
 
2014-02-04 09:24:12 AM
treasure.diylol.com
 
2014-02-04 09:25:52 AM

thecpt: Sports most modern journalism isn't critical thinking, it's pandering to your audience.


fixed that to be more inclusive. (it would be really nice if it only happened in sports)
 
2014-02-04 09:29:56 AM
Having seen SF play SEA three times, yes, with the exception of the first game, which was a SEA blowout, SF is a great team ... in 2012-13.  It remains to be seen if they will repeat that, but I think they may slump a bit.  They're about to tie up a whole bunch of money on a QB who, like Flacco, didn't show much, but enough to make people want to keep him from going to another team.  It's that fear of the "oh my god, you let this guy go!" narrative.  The 49ers starters have also played a huge number of snaps the past few years, which could mean two things: a) they don't trust their depth, or b) the starters, especially the vets, may be getting worn down.

Also, Harbaugh.  I just can't stand the guy.
 
2014-02-04 09:30:06 AM
For the 49ers the difference between 2nd and 3rd or 9th is... Well I was going to say it's meaningless but it isn't.

Since you only get a prize for winning in the NFL being second is worthless. Especially since 3-9 will get better draft positions.
 
2014-02-04 09:37:52 AM

FormlessOne: Suck it, Forty-whiners. You didn't make the cut. Stop trying to make it all about you.


Nothing worse than hearing this continual boo-hooing over not making the dance.

Oh wait, there is something worse.  It's worse when it comes from a team already holding 5 rings.
 
2014-02-04 09:39:33 AM
Oh, and I forgot to add....with the Hawks' win the number 14 is reduced to 13.

13 teams left with no Super Bowl wins.
 
2014-02-04 09:40:47 AM

FormlessOne: Sure it does - that's why Denver went to the Super Bowl, after all. The 49ers didn't even make "second best" within the scope of this discussion. At best, they were "second best" in our division, so I guess they can nurse that until next season.


That doesn't make sense. Denver going to the Super Bowl had nothing at all to do with the 49ers not going. If the playoffs were a tournament without Conference barriers that reseeded each round, maybe Denver going to the SB would make them definitively better than San Francisco, but that is not how the playoffs are structured. An AFC team MUST reach the Super Bowl, even in the extreme scenario in which ever single NFC team is better than every single AFC team.
 
2014-02-04 09:41:28 AM

FormlessOne: The Gentleman Caller: Broncos fan here. How could you deny that headline at all?

Because reality says otherwise? Sure, the Broncos got a hard second place - let's face it, the 49ers still ended up tied for third with the Patriots. You can argue numbers all you like, but at the end of the day, that's how this year's post-season ended, no matter how you try to polish that turd.

Suck it, Forty-whiners. You didn't make the cut. Stop trying to make it all about you.


Not to mention that the Lombardi isn't awarded based on score, other than to see who had more points at the end. 100-0 or 14-13, a loss is a loss. And the Niners lost before the Bronies.

To be fair, i expected it to be much closer than that. Not to say the Seahawks didn't bring it this year, but that Peyton is...Peyton.

/Steelers fan
//all but one or two of the commercials weren't SB worthy...not even close
///even the M&M's one was disappointing and felt somehow unfinished
 
2014-02-04 09:42:19 AM

kronicfeld: FormlessOne: Sure it does - that's why Denver went to the Super Bowl, after all. The 49ers didn't even make "second best" within the scope of this discussion. At best, they were "second best" in our division, so I guess they can nurse that until next season.

That doesn't make sense. Denver going to the Super Bowl had nothing at all to do with the 49ers not going. If the playoffs were a tournament without Conference barriers that reseeded each round, maybe Denver going to the SB would make them definitively better than San Francisco, but that is not how the playoffs are structured. An AFC team MUST reach the Super Bowl, even in the extreme scenario in which ever single NFC team is better than every single AFC team.


Just suckin' all the fun out of the room, aren'tcha?
 
2014-02-04 09:42:53 AM

whizbangthedirtfarmer: a whole bunch of money on a QB who, like Flacco, didn't show much


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2014-02-04 09:43:29 AM

timswar: Since you only get a prize for winning in the NFL being second is worthless. Especially since 3-9 will get better draft positions.


Exactly why the Falcons blatantly threw their last game with the Panthers.  Only thing a victory would've accomplished would be a big drop in the draft order.
 
2014-02-04 09:45:30 AM
"If you ain't first, you're last"

~Shia Lebeuof
 
2014-02-04 09:52:43 AM

kronicfeld: FormlessOne: Sure it does - that's why Denver went to the Super Bowl, after all. The 49ers didn't even make "second best" within the scope of this discussion. At best, they were "second best" in our division, so I guess they can nurse that until next season.

That doesn't make sense. Denver going to the Super Bowl had nothing at all to do with the 49ers not going. If the playoffs were a tournament without Conference barriers that reseeded each round, maybe Denver going to the SB would make them definitively better than San Francisco, but that is not how the playoffs are structured. An AFC team MUST reach the Super Bowl, even in the extreme scenario in which ever single NFC team is better than every single AFC team.


That is correct. It also follows that, because the Niners and Broncos didn't play each other, the Niners can't definitively say they're second best, just because the Broncos got blown out by the Seahawks. If they went to the Super Bowl instead of the 'hawks, how's to say it wouldn't have been Peytonpalooza on the scoreboard? If we replay the SB 10 times (Hawks/Broncos), there's no way it's 10 Seahawk blowouts.

The way the playoffs are structures, the Super Bowl winner is the champ. The Super Bowl loser, by default, is the second-best team in the NFL.

/It doesn't matter who's second-best, so the Niners are basically tied with 30 other NFL teams to finish the year - not the SB champs.

When I saw that safety at the very beginning, I thought the same thing while watching the Sugar Bowl this year...except the Sooners managed to overcome that early gaffe to dominate their opponent the rest of the way.
 
2014-02-04 09:56:41 AM
"Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing" - The guy they named the Super Bowl trophy after
 
2014-02-04 10:08:47 AM
Whole lotta DNRTFA in this thread. You should. The Bay Area has a lot of good sportswriters, Ann Killion among them.
 
2014-02-04 10:10:08 AM

degenerate-afro: whizbangthedirtfarmer: a whole bunch of money on a QB who, like Flacco, didn't show much

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He got paid after he already achieved the result, and then suckboxed all season. Not the best order of events to support your apparent point.

okiemule: That is correct. It also follows that, because the Niners and Broncos didn't play each other, the Niners can't definitively say they're second best, just because the Broncos got blown out by the Seahawks. If they went to the Super Bowl instead of the 'hawks, how's to say it wouldn't have been Peytonpalooza on the scoreboard? If we replay the SB 10 times (Hawks/Broncos), there's no way it's 10 Seahawk blowouts.


That is correct. I don't intend to take a position one way or the other as to whether Denver or SF is better than the other, only to address the methodology.
 
2014-02-04 10:15:23 AM
Seahawks fan here, and I would boldly agree. The Niners are a great team and I think they would have slaughtered the Broncos. The 49ers are very similar to the Hawks and with the Rams and Cardinals all getting better. I think the next 3/5 super bowls will be won by the NFC West
 
2014-02-04 10:15:25 AM

whizbangthedirtfarmer: Having seen SF play SEA three times, yes, with the exception of the first game, which was a SEA blowout, SF is a great team ... in 2012-13.  It remains to be seen if they will repeat that, but I think they may slump a bit.  They're about to tie up a whole bunch of money on a QB who, like Flacco, didn't show much, but enough to make people want to keep him from going to another team.  It's that fear of the "oh my god, you let this guy go!" narrative.  The 49ers starters have also played a huge number of snaps the past few years, which could mean two things: a) they don't trust their depth, or b) the starters, especially the vets, may be getting worn down.

Also, Harbaugh.  I just can't stand the guy.


49ers backups got in a lot more this year and they have more young guys that were hurt and didn't play (Dial, Williams, Carradine). Other than Bowman's health, there are no issues at LB and the secondary has enough players to be solid. Offense is still the concern with the OL taking a step back and a lack of cohesion in the passing game. Kaepernick needs to improve his diagnosis and his accuracy. There's going to be a logjam at RB next year and WR will still be weak, pending the draft. Depth on the OL, a backup QB, more WR should be a priority in the draft.
 
2014-02-04 10:18:02 AM

kronicfeld: degenerate-afro: whizbangthedirtfarmer: a whole bunch of money on a QB who, like Flacco, didn't show much

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He got paid after he already achieved the result, and then suckboxed all season. Not the best order of events to support your apparent point.


I'd say that the "team" sucked all season.  There were a few games this season where he carried the team to victory.  Versus the Vikings for example.
 
2014-02-04 10:23:44 AM
The 49ers represent a tougher matchup for Seattle in both how they are built and in familiarity.  But with that, while the 49ers were technically top 4 due to making the NFC championship game, they're probably closer to 5 or 6 as far as this year went performance and roster-wise.  Still a very good team with another shot at a SB next year.

 - and keep in mind that if Denver played Seattle again 5 times, not one of those games would be as big a stinkbomb as they laid down on Sunday.  NFL games in any situation are rarely that bad.
 
2014-02-04 10:36:06 AM
Myyeah, kid, mmmyeah see? You'll always be second-place as long as I'm around, see? Mmmmyyeah!!
 
2014-02-04 10:37:28 AM

the_cnidarian: Second best doesn't matter.


Also, this.
 
2014-02-04 10:54:05 AM

FormlessOne: The Gentleman Caller: Broncos fan here. How could you deny that headline at all?

Because reality says otherwise? Sure, the Broncos got a hard second place - let's face it, the 49ers still ended up tied for third with the Patriots. You can argue numbers all you like, but at the end of the day, that's how this year's post-season ended, no matter how you try to polish that turd.

Suck it, Forty-whiners. You didn't make the cut. Stop trying to make it all about you.


Ah, Seachicken fans. Making Philly fans look like angels. Stay classy.
 
2014-02-04 10:59:12 AM
Also, for the record, I think anyone claiming to be "second best" is just grasping at straws. We had our shot, we got beat. If we would have taken care of our business in the regular season, the tale may have been different. But that's why you play the games.

/hope Bowman recovers well, horrific injury.
 
2014-02-04 11:00:13 AM
So Colin is growing up, that is good. Seeing him in the post game interview with his over sized hat on backwards and crooked and headphones around his neck, made him look like a street punk.
 
2014-02-04 11:11:44 AM
The funniest thing to me about this SF article is the opposite of what's pumping out of the Boston papers right now:

http://bostonherald.com/sports/columnists/ron_borges/2014/02/borges_ pa triots_no_match_for_seahawks_either

http://www.boston.com/sports/columnists/wilbur/2014/02/face_it_patri ot s_would_have_suffered_the_same_fate.html

http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/extra_points/2014/02/ wh at_the_patriots_can_learn_from_the_seahawks.html

http://www.boston.com/sports/touching_all_the_bases/2014/02/patriots _s uper_bowl.html

Probably no need to read them all (or any of them.)  It's mostly a tip of the cap to Seattle and acknowledging that they were good and the Pats weren't up to it this year and need to do things to get back into it next year.
 
2014-02-04 11:25:24 AM

Nana's Vibrator: The 49ers represent a tougher matchup for Seattle in both how they are built and in familiarity.  But with that, while the 49ers were technically top 4 due to making the NFC championship game, they're probably closer to 5 or 6 as far as this year went performance and roster-wise.  Still a very good team with another shot at a SB next year.

 - and keep in mind that if Denver played Seattle again 5 times, not one of those games would be as big a stinkbomb as they laid down on Sunday.  NFL games in any situation are rarely that bad.


i'd agree about a 5-6 based on "on paper" strength, but based on performance this year? easily #2, dunno how anybody can deny how well they played down the stretch

i mean who would you list ahead of them? Denver? prior to the super bowl maybe... but New Orleans? nah, Carolina? nope, Philadelphia? nope... forget the AFC
 
2014-02-04 11:32:01 AM

okiemule: kronicfeld: FormlessOne: Sure it does - that's why Denver went to the Super Bowl, after all. The 49ers didn't even make "second best" within the scope of this discussion. At best, they were "second best" in our division, so I guess they can nurse that until next season.

That doesn't make sense. Denver going to the Super Bowl had nothing at all to do with the 49ers not going. If the playoffs were a tournament without Conference barriers that reseeded each round, maybe Denver going to the SB would make them definitively better than San Francisco, but that is not how the playoffs are structured. An AFC team MUST reach the Super Bowl, even in the extreme scenario in which ever single NFC team is better than every single AFC team.

That is correct. It also follows that, because the Niners and Broncos didn't play each other, the Niners can't definitively say they're second best, just because the Broncos got blown out by the Seahawks. If they went to the Super Bowl instead of the 'hawks, how's to say it wouldn't have been Peytonpalooza on the scoreboard? If we replay the SB 10 times (Hawks/Broncos), there's no way it's 10 Seahawk blowouts.

The way the playoffs are structures, the Super Bowl winner is the champ. The Super Bowl loser, by default, is the second-best team in the NFL.

/It doesn't matter who's second-best, so the Niners are basically tied with 30 other NFL teams to finish the year - not the SB champs.

When I saw that safety at the very beginning, I thought the same thing while watching the Sugar Bowl this year...except the Sooners managed to overcome that early gaffe to dominate their opponent the rest of the way.


i dunno, i wouldn't say the Chargers were better than the Cowboys in 1994, or that the Bills were better than the 49ers in 1992/93, or that the Patriots were better than the 49ers in 1985, etc. etc. etc.

you are right about matchups tho - had the Niners gotten to the Super Bowl and faced Denver, it could've been a much closer game, but we don't really know - we all thought Denver was going to beat Seattle to begin with, if we have to make a judgment it's better imo to look back at what actually happened
 
2014-02-04 11:36:33 AM
True.


Broncos got their asses kicked good.  they needed it.  and Manning got his ego reduced a tad.
 
2014-02-04 11:45:56 AM

AdamK: Nana's Vibrator: The 49ers represent a tougher matchup for Seattle in both how they are built and in familiarity.  But with that, while the 49ers were technically top 4 due to making the NFC championship game, they're probably closer to 5 or 6 as far as this year went performance and roster-wise.  Still a very good team with another shot at a SB next year.

 - and keep in mind that if Denver played Seattle again 5 times, not one of those games would be as big a stinkbomb as they laid down on Sunday.  NFL games in any situation are rarely that bad.

i'd agree about a 5-6 based on "on paper" strength, but based on performance this year? easily #2, dunno how anybody can deny how well they played down the stretch

i mean who would you list ahead of them? Denver? prior to the super bowl maybe... but New Orleans? nah, Carolina? nope, Philadelphia? nope... forget the AFC


THIS. Not sure how you can put anyone but (maybe) the Broncos ahead of the 49ers. The Niners, at worst, were the third best team in football this year.

/Pats fan here
//Yeah, they'd have gotten blown out just as bad as Denver
 
2014-02-04 11:47:41 AM
yup.

Whoever said Pats upthread must be on the medical marijuana.
 
2014-02-04 11:52:20 AM

Linux_Yes: True.


Broncos got their asses kicked good.  they needed it.  and Manning got his ego reduced a tad.


Their opening play was hilarious
i.dailymail.co.uk
 
2014-02-04 11:52:54 AM
FTA:

For a team that wasn't anywhere near a football field, the 49ers had an especially significant week:
-- Archenemy wins the Super Bowl.
-- Franchise quarterback starts a makeover.



What's this mean? I've just seen him being a douche and a crybaby since losing. Is that the makeover, or has he changed since then?
 
2014-02-04 12:09:06 PM
Hell, about a 1/3 of the NFC would have rolled up the Broncos Sunday night. I doubt as resoundingly as the Seahawks ended up doing, but still; if an opening safety and watching your best WR get knocked on his ass on his first completion wrecks your confidence that badly, then you just might be not ready for the physicality & tenacity of the best NFC teams.

It's not an issue of talent, it's just that your Niners, Panthers, and even non-playoff teams like the Cardinals and Rams have no problem kicking you in the face for four quarters regardless of the score.

/fan first of an AFC team
//willingly admits 90% of the AFC plays two-hand touch in comparison to the other league.
 
2014-02-04 12:12:02 PM
The NFC Title Game was an epic game between two teams that are built similarly both peaking/close to peaking at the same time and it came down to the final moments...but that's all it was - a semifinal. Our opinions don't matter because the Niners never got to the ultimate game and the Broncos did. Not to mention, we've seen the Niners lay some nasty eggs this season too. Beating Manning and the Broncos certainly wouldn't have been a forgone conclusion, especially with Bowman sidelined.
 
2014-02-04 12:14:08 PM
Richard Sherman agrees. As does anyone who watched football this year.

Nana's Vibrator: But with that, while the 49ers were technically top 4 due to making the NFC championship game, they're probably closer to 5 or 6 as far as this year went performance and roster-wise.  Still a very good team with another shot at a SB next year.


You're out of your mind.

These are the five best teams in some order (listed in the order I'd have them): Seattle, San Francisco, Carolina, Denver, New Orleans.

Oh, and no, getting to the final in a tournament does not make you the de facto second-best team. Hell, winning the title doesn't make you the best team - it just makes you champions, people.
 
2014-02-04 12:25:48 PM

nyseattitude: Linux_Yes: True.


Broncos got their asses kicked good.  they needed it.  and Manning got his ego reduced a tad.

Their opening play was hilarious
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i'm afraid it set the pattern for things to come.   lol   i've never seen Manning so out of his element.
 
2014-02-04 12:31:26 PM
The NFC West:
Seahawks: won the Super Bowl this year
49ers: played in NFC championship game this year and Super Bowl last year
Rams: quickly rebuilding with a very young team
Cardinals: almost same situation as Rams

This division could be brutal next year.
 
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