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2014-02-04 08:23:34 AM  
Liberal vs Conservative is a false dichotomy.

Not everything fits into that retarded worldview.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2014-02-04 08:29:33 AM  

Because People in power are Stupid: Liberal vs Conservative is a false dichotomy.

Not everything fits into that retarded worldview.


You must not watch much Fox news.
 
2014-02-04 08:38:37 AM  

vpb: Because People in power are Stupid: Liberal vs Conservative is a false dichotomy.

Not everything fits into that retarded worldview.

You must not watch much Fox news.


I avoid it whenever possible. However, I did refer to Fox's outlook.
 
2014-02-04 08:39:47 AM  

vpb: Because People in power are Stupid: Liberal vs Conservative is a false dichotomy.

Not everything fits into that retarded worldview.

You must not watch much Fox news.


He did say it's a retarded world view, so I suspect he has.
 
2014-02-04 08:43:38 AM  
The problem is, unless your viewpoint agrees with O'Reilly's from the outset,the interview won't be "fair". It will be that person trying to talk over Bill to be heard. This isn't new.
 
2014-02-04 09:03:02 AM  
Dear Mr. President,
  Don't, just don't feed their persecution complex. The petulant whining is really annoying.

Best regards,
SammyK
 
2014-02-04 09:06:17 AM  
FTFA: "In a lot of ways Richard Nixon was more liberal than I was," Obama said. "He started the EPA, started a whole lot of the regulatory state that has helped keep our air and water clean."Obama's comments came in response to O'Reilly asking him if he was "the most liberal president of all time." Obama also listed Franklin Delano Roosevelt and Lyndon Johnson as presidents who were also more liberal than him.

Kinda. Nixon's effort to consolidate and systematize existing offices was overtaken in ways he did not favor but could not stop since Congress overrode his veto in 72. But yeah, I would consider FDR, LBJ and Truman probably more "liberal." Of course, times and the landscape have changed a lot in political discourse since then, so its a bit apples to oranges.
 
2014-02-04 09:07:28 AM  
No group of people have a persecution complex like conservatives. And the jews I keed, I keed.
 
2014-02-04 09:08:35 AM  
I'm going to have to ding Obama on this one.  It would have only been truly unfair if he didn't know what he was walking into.  We all knew what he was walking into.

I get doing this as a means to appear fair.  But this little fiasco only proves it inevitably does the opposite.
 
2014-02-04 09:10:25 AM  
fox news is an activist group for the republican party, why even bother legitimizing them by being interviewed on there? He could have easily been interviewed on any network by any right wing kook as some kind of special.
 
2014-02-04 09:19:44 AM  

Diogenes: It would have only been truly unfair if he didn't know what he was walking into.  We all knew what he was walking into. I get doing this as a means to appear fair.  But this little fiasco only proves it inevitably does the opposite.


Working the Refs. What's he got to lose for criticizing Fox?
 
2014-02-04 09:22:19 AM  

Somacandra: Diogenes: It would have only been truly unfair if he didn't know what he was walking into.  We all knew what he was walking into. I get doing this as a means to appear fair.  But this little fiasco only proves it inevitably does the opposite.

Working the Refs. What's he got to lose for criticizing Fox?


At this point, nuthing I guess.
 
2014-02-04 09:46:53 AM  

stpauler: The problem is, unless your viewpoint agrees with O'Reilly's from the outset,the interview won't be "fair". It will be that person trying to talk over Bill to be heard. This isn't new.


Seriously... aside from his stupid line of questioning, the most amazing thing was, he was just cutting off the President of the United States left and right. That's just unprofessional.
 
2014-02-04 09:49:52 AM  

Headso: fox news is an activist group for the republican party, why even bother legitimizing them by being interviewed on there? He could have easily been interviewed on any network by any right wing kook as some kind of special.


I'm working off the assumption you think anyone who could be defined as right wing is also a kook.

I'm not sure that's true. What "right wing kook" from MSNBC would you tap for that interview? What "right wing kook" from CNN? NBC? CBS? Really if you want to get an interview with someone that won't pitch you softballs you have to go with the opposition. And at least with Bill you have someone who is honest enough to tell you exactly where he stands on every single topic you are about to discuss. As he tells people over and over again (well he use to, it's been a while since I watched) his program is an opinion based program. If the Administration was caught off guard by any of this that is a failure of his staff. Which wouldn't be the first time they got caught flat footed.
 
2014-02-04 09:59:03 AM  

Headso: fox news is an activist group for the republican party, why even bother legitimizing them by being interviewed on there? He could have easily been interviewed on any network by any right wing kook as some kind of special.


Roger Ailes pulls the strings and the Republican party serve him.
 
2014-02-04 10:03:24 AM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Headso: fox news is an activist group for the republican party, why even bother legitimizing them by being interviewed on there? He could have easily been interviewed on any network by any right wing kook as some kind of special.

I'm working off the assumption you think anyone who could be defined as right wing is also a kook.

I'm not sure that's true. What "right wing kook" from MSNBC would you tap for that interview? What "right wing kook" from CNN? NBC? CBS? Really if you want to get an interview with someone that won't pitch you softballs you have to go with the opposition. And at least with Bill you have someone who is honest enough to tell you exactly where he stands on every single topic you are about to discuss. As he tells people over and over again (well he use to, it's been a while since I watched) his program is an opinion based program. If the Administration was caught off guard by any of this that is a failure of his staff. Which wouldn't be the first time they got caught flat footed.


Scarborough for MSNBC or Erickson for CNN.

This is fun! What even nominal liberal works for Fox?
 
2014-02-04 10:04:12 AM  

Diogenes: I'm going to have to ding Obama on this one.  It would have only been truly unfair if he didn't know what he was walking into.  We all knew what he was walking into.

I get doing this as a means to appear fair.  But this little fiasco only proves it inevitably does the opposite.


He didn't mean 'during the interview.'

FTFA:
"[Obama said O'Reilly] has been "absolutely" unfair to him throughout his presidency"
 
2014-02-04 10:09:20 AM  
He should go on MSNBC where people can ask questions like, "Some think you just care too much for the American people, how do you respond to that?"
 
2014-02-04 10:10:05 AM  

ko_kyi: He should go on MSNBC where people can ask questions like, "Some think you just care too much for the American people, how do you respond to that?"


Why not? That question has as much substance as any question about Benghazi.
 
Bf+
2014-02-04 10:11:37 AM  

Because People in power are Stupid: Liberal vs Conservative is a false dichotomy.

Not everything fits into that retarded worldview.



...so vote Republican
 
2014-02-04 10:11:38 AM  
I don't know.  I only watched about five minutes of it, but from what I could see, Obama was handing Bill his ass.  What did I miss?
 
2014-02-04 10:12:58 AM  
Bill was a repugnant, and disrespectful dick to Obama. He'd ask a specific question, then get a specific answer, then ask for a general answer, and get that, too. Pretty sure the idea was "Get my specific question on tape, then ask for a more vague answer, and splice the specific question to make it look like the vague answer was given to that. Then playback the edit on my show and biatch about how I couldn't get a straight answer."
 
2014-02-04 10:13:03 AM  
'What newspapers or magazines do you read?" asked by a journalist with years of credentials.
- Unfair 'Gotcha' media.

'Are you the most liberal president ever?' And 'Much of the country believes Benghazi is a scandal. How much of a scandal is it?' asked by an 'opinion' show host with years of experience as a 'conservative' blowhard.
- Legitimate news questions. Stop complaining.
 
2014-02-04 10:13:27 AM  
I am shocked, SHOCKED!, that conservatives would have a different view from liberals of the same incident.

/goes back to reading the red letters in the Bible
 
Bf+
2014-02-04 10:13:33 AM  

ko_kyi: He should go on MSNBC where people can ask questions like, "Some think you just care too much for the American people, how do you respond to that?"


I can totally see Joe Scarborough asking that.
 
2014-02-04 10:15:20 AM  

A Cave Geek: I don't know.  I only watched about five minutes of it, but from what I could see, Obama was handing Bill his ass.  What did I miss?


Putting on your rose colored glasses, I would guess.
 
2014-02-04 10:16:05 AM  

Obama's Reptiloid Master: This is fun! What even nominal liberal works for Fox?


Colmes and Beckel are usually painted as Stalinist Commies by Fox....so they're probably just a tad right of center. That would be "nominally" I guess.
 
2014-02-04 10:16:08 AM  

mrshowrules: Headso: fox news is an activist group for the republican party, why even bother legitimizing them by being interviewed on there? He could have easily been interviewed on any network by any right wing kook as some kind of special.

Roger Ailes pulls the strings and the Republican party serve him.


That's the thing about modern 'conservatives'  For all their whining and petulant wailing about 'freedom', bless them, they really DO need to be told what to think and what to do.  They have an inherent NEED for someone to 'be in charge' of their lives.  Some of them will say 'God's in control of my life'.  But that's not true.  It's their carefully selected priest or pastor interpreting a book for them.  The priest is telling them what to do. Some will say "I'm in command of my own ship!  I owe nothing to anybody!"  Which of course isn't true either.

With conservatives, there's always a deep-seated need for someone to tell them what to think, and what to do. This is why they come off sounding so combative in debates.  Because they don't know WHY they believe what they believe, only that someone they admire said that their world view is right. They can't explain their ideas in any kind of logical way, other than 'well, you must not know what you're talking about!"
 
2014-02-04 10:16:26 AM  
Why can't it be both?  I'm on the left - he's absolutely right, Fox News has been wildly unfair to him.  Also, he's a giant wuss.  I would have loved to see him come out and attack O'Reilly for all of the unfair shiat he has done over the years.  I'm sure The Daily Show would have been happy to give him some material.
 
2014-02-04 10:17:09 AM  
It figures that that commie RINO O'Reilly would undersell the jobs created by the Keystone pipeline. 42,000? Hardly! Fox says it would create 500,000 to 1 million permanent, high paying jobs. He should have really nailed the president on that one, but instead he just gives him the kiddie gloves. Typical liberal media!
 
2014-02-04 10:18:00 AM  

A Cave Geek: I don't know.  I only watched about five minutes of it, but from what I could see, Obama was handing Bill his ass.  What did I miss?


And the Obama haters saw ol' Bill handing the president his ass.

Perhaps the president should sit down with Hannity or Coulter before the Oscars in his search for that fair interview.
 
2014-02-04 10:20:51 AM  

God's Hubris: A Cave Geek: I don't know.  I only watched about five minutes of it, but from what I could see, Obama was handing Bill his ass.  What did I miss?

Putting on your rose colored glasses, I would guess.


Those got lost a long time ago.  Too cynical now, guess I'm getting old.
 
2014-02-04 10:22:09 AM  

lennavan: Why can't it be both?  I'm on the left - he's absolutely right, Fox News has been wildly unfair to him.  Also, he's a giant wuss.  I would have loved to see him come out and attack O'Reilly for all of the unfair shiat he has done over the years.  I'm sure The Daily Show would have been happy to give him some material.


He forgot to bring Luther. (NSFW language)
 
2014-02-04 10:24:50 AM  

Teufelaffe: lennavan: Why can't it be both?  I'm on the left - he's absolutely right, Fox News has been wildly unfair to him.  Also, he's a giant wuss.  I would have loved to see him come out and attack O'Reilly for all of the unfair shiat he has done over the years.  I'm sure The Daily Show would have been happy to give him some material.

He forgot to bring Luther. (NSFW language)


Clinton didn't start getting very combative until after he left office, either.  While in office, I imagine there are a host of considerations when making the decision to 'go on the attack' or not.  You need support from everyone, and if you belittle and verbally trash the conservatives, you're probably not going to get many votes, nor get much of your agenda through congress. (They are a highly sensitive lot, easily offended, and skin about as thick as graphene)
 
2014-02-04 10:25:55 AM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Headso: fox news is an activist group for the republican party, why even bother legitimizing them by being interviewed on there? He could have easily been interviewed on any network by any right wing kook as some kind of special.

I'm working off the assumption you think anyone who could be defined as right wing is also a kook.

I'm not sure that's true. What "right wing kook" from MSNBC would you tap for that interview? What "right wing kook" from CNN? NBC? CBS? Really if you want to get an interview with someone that won't pitch you softballs you have to go with the opposition. And at least with Bill you have someone who is honest enough to tell you exactly where he stands on every single topic you are about to discuss. As he tells people over and over again (well he use to, it's been a while since I watched) his program is an opinion based program. If the Administration was caught off guard by any of this that is a failure of his staff. Which wouldn't be the first time they got caught flat footed.


Everyone who is right wing and would have a shot at interviewing Obama has the same fundamentally broken opinions so yeah they are all kooks but that's not the point. The point is as a democrat  why give ad revenue to an activist arm of the republican party? Does Obama also regularly donate to the RNC?
 
2014-02-04 10:26:33 AM  

Teufelaffe: lennavan: Why can't it be both?  I'm on the left - he's absolutely right, Fox News has been wildly unfair to him.  Also, he's a giant wuss.  I would have loved to see him come out and attack O'Reilly for all of the unfair shiat he has done over the years.  I'm sure The Daily Show would have been happy to give him some material.

He forgot to bring Luther. (NSFW language)


That's hilarious I hadn't seen that yet.

Obama:  Now on the domestic front.
Translator:  I AM NOT A MUSLIM YOU CRACKAS
 
2014-02-04 10:26:56 AM  
One telling comment from the Prez about Fox News.  He asked "What are you going to do when I'm gone?"  How can life as we know it continue when I'm no longer leader of the free world?  Fox News was #1 when he was community organizing and it'll be #1 when he's making a fortune on the lecture circuit.
 
2014-02-04 10:29:30 AM  
Maybe not unfair, but still an asshole.
 
2014-02-04 10:29:58 AM  

Cat Food Sandwiches: One telling comment from the Prez about Fox News.  He asked "What are you going to do when I'm gone?"  How can life as we know it continue when I'm no longer leader of the free world?  Fox News was #1 when he was community organizing and it'll be #1 when he's making a fortune on the lecture circuit.


Do you get paid?  I'd like your job
 
2014-02-04 10:30:23 AM  
"Fairness" isn't the way to attack Fox News, or AM talk radio, or any part of the right-wing noise machine.

Attack it on accuracy. Show how often it's wrong about stuff, and refer to the studies showing its viewers are misinformed about current events.

Above all, attack it on its corrosive effect on peoples' souls, take them to task for making people crazy and miserable. We all have anecdotes about this effect. I'm hoping that social scientists look into this one of these days and either confirm or deny that a steady diet of overly partisan news sources makes people unhinged.
 
2014-02-04 10:31:29 AM  
jesus he really said that

he asked the president if he is the most liberal liberal ever to lib

farking human garbage
 
2014-02-04 10:33:23 AM  
You had to know it was going to be bad when Bill started with "I want to get this on the record."

Yeah, because old news isn't news until Bill "documents" it.
 
2014-02-04 10:34:23 AM  
My recommendation to any future POTUS, no matter your party affiliation, is to not use Richard Nixon as your litmus test for how to act while in office.
 
2014-02-04 10:36:50 AM  

serpent_sky: Seriously... aside from his stupid line of questioning, the most amazing thing was, he was just cutting off the President of the United States left and right. That's just unprofessional.


I would say the most amazing thing was that Obama fell for that crap again.  Remember when Hannity interviewed him and did the EXACT SAME THING?  Quit talking to these Fox morons.  They're not there for an interview, they're just going to try to bully and talk over you, because that's what their audience wants to see.
 
2014-02-04 10:38:06 AM  

Cat Food Sandwiches: Fox News was #1 when he was community organizing and it'll be #1 when he's making a fortune on the lecture circuit.



At least until they replace their anchors with Jennifer Lopez and Harry Connick, Jr.
 
2014-02-04 10:38:29 AM  

ko_kyi: He should go on MSNBC where people can ask questions like, "Some think you just care too much for the American people, how do you respond to that?"


like when O'Reilly interviewed Bush?

How many times did the chickenhawks Bush or Cheney get interviewed by an MSNBC host?
They were afraid of Maddow even though she constantly asked them to be on.
 
2014-02-04 10:38:55 AM  
all he has to say to get Fox to shut up

Yes, we changed talking points on Bengazi to win election

Yes, the IRS targeted Tea Party Members to reduce their impact on the elections

Yes, we knew the Web site had issues, they just ran out of time.  We figured once we got user load applied after 10/01  we can pin point the issues and resolve them in a few days..  Was not sure it was this bad and required this much code change.  If it worked properly after we did some quick fixes, the people who had their old plan dropped would have just logged in and got Healthcare insurance from the website.  Its not a plan.. just bad timing.  Did we expect it to be fixed quickly, Yes.  Did we expect a quick resolution of bug fixes, Yes.  It will be around for the long run and once all the features fixed.  It will achieve all its goals.
 
2014-02-04 10:41:53 AM  

vpb: Because People in power are Stupid: Liberal vs Conservative is a false dichotomy.

Not everything fits into that retarded worldview.

You must not watch much Fox news.


Does watching clips of it on Daily Show With Jon Stewart count?
 
2014-02-04 10:42:19 AM  

Cat Food Sandwiches: One telling comment from the Prez about Fox News.  He asked "What are you going to do when I'm gone?"  How can life as we know it continue when I'm no longer leader of the free world?  Fox News was #1 when he was community organizing and it'll be #1 when he's making a fortune on the lecture circuit.


and heroin is really popular with addicts too.
what's your point?
 
2014-02-04 10:43:29 AM  

kidgenius: Obama's Reptiloid Master: This is fun! What even nominal liberal works for Fox?

Colmes and Beckel are usually painted as Stalinist Commies by Fox....so they're probably just a tad right of center. That would be "nominally" I guess.


Juan Williams is on staff there too....and he's even black!
 
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