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2014-02-04 08:50:18 AM
:: Hits it with the stick ::

Right! See you Thursday.
 
2014-02-04 08:58:30 AM
Why is this spiffy Subby? Windows XP was good for its time, but its time has since passed. Anyone who is still sticking with XP for their individual OS is an idiot.
 
2014-02-04 09:02:02 AM
Why do people hate cheap memory?
 
kab
2014-02-04 09:02:16 AM
XP is being bolstered by the strength of W8, clearly.

*chuckle*
 
2014-02-04 09:05:20 AM

bbfreak: Why is this spiffy Subby? Windows XP was good for its time, but its time has since passed. Anyone who is still sticking with XP for their individual OS is an idiot.


There's a lot of automotive diagnostic software that was written under XP and hasn't been updated.

Hell, some of it still uses a serial port to connect to the interface device. :-P
 
2014-02-04 09:07:15 AM

kab: XP is being bolstered by the strength of W8, clearly.

*chuckle*


Windows 8 is a sack of crap. I have yet to find a single feature I prefer over 7. 8.1 is no better. I just wish Intel or LG releases a fix for WiDi.

Just getting that off my chest. XP is way overdue. Enjoy your malware box while still running shiatty legacy applications designed for IE6.
 
2014-02-04 09:20:54 AM

scanman61: bbfreak: Why is this spiffy Subby? Windows XP was good for its time, but its time has since passed. Anyone who is still sticking with XP for their individual OS is an idiot.

There's a lot of automotive diagnostic software that was written under XP and hasn't been updated.

Hell, some of it still uses a serial port to connect to the interface device. :-P


We operate a ton of machinery and sensors that run on XP. It works perfectly well and replacing it would be outrageously expensive so why change it?
 
2014-02-04 09:23:15 AM
Well, Mach3 doesn't work(well) with newer computers or Vista, 7 or 8. So until they come out with a replacement I'll continue to use it with XP.

www.machsupport.com
 
2014-02-04 09:26:54 AM

bbfreak: Why is this spiffy Subby? Windows XP was good for its time, but its time has since passed. Anyone who is still sticking with XP for their individual OS is an idiot.


My main gaming machine is running Win 8.1, but my home fileserver is running XP. The reason why is because I have another server - a great little piece of hardware (Intel Entry Server SS4200-E) that for me to manage I have to run the management software on an XP machine... the software isn't compatible with 7 and Intel abandoned those machines long ago.

That and my Flexraid system is set up and working nicely... I have utterly no desire to redo everything and copy back over 5 1/2 TB of files, set Plex back up and etc. I'd just like to keep using XP on that machine.
 
2014-02-04 09:27:47 AM
wasn't there a story when obama and his staff enter the white house and stuff to find out that they where still using windows nt or something older
 
2014-02-04 09:28:47 AM

bbfreak: Why is this spiffy Subby? Windows XP was good for its time, but its time has since passed. Anyone who is still sticking with XP for their individual OS is an idiot.


Watch your step on that rush to judgement. I have a Dell Inspiron I bought in 2002 for a (now) ridiculous amount of dollars. It still works, because I didn't abuse it and I keep the AV program updated...and it rarely goes online.

I use it for bookkeeping, as in "my bookkeeper runs QuickBooks on it when she runs my accounts". It runs XP.  It wouldn't run anything newer. It is suited to the task, as are my several ASUS netbooks and my dual CPU graphics workstation of wonder and delight. All of that is Windows 7 and 8.1.

I also own a jeweler's hammer, a ballpeen hammer, a 16 oz. hammer, a roofer's hammer, a sledgehammer and a heavy maul that would give a Viking pause. If you follow: XP is "enough" if you don't want to chuck still-functional hardware because the OS is dated. Hell, I ran Windows 2000 on my graphics station until about three years ago. It was simple and easy to administer (far less bloatware than the consumer OSes) and looked like OS/2. I only went "forward" because I upgraded all my Adobe software suites and wanted to use more RAM. Not because I was in love with the shiny new OS.
 
2014-02-04 09:32:55 AM
Busy working on migrating 500 VM XP boxes to Win7 so I'm getting a kick...

/My son's rig is still on XP but won't be much longer
//I've got a win7 gamer, a win7 workstation, win7 laptop and a win2003 server for plex and ftp
///Wife is on a mac laptop
////Win8/8.1 is a steaming pile of shiat, just like vista and millennium before it.
 
2014-02-04 09:35:50 AM
It says it's not dead, I can't uninstall it, it's against regulations.
 
2014-02-04 09:37:10 AM

Valiente: It runs XP. It wouldn't run anything newer.


I'd bet that isn't true. Anything that can run XP can run Win 7.

People made a game out of it when Win 7 came out, seeing how far back they could go, installing it on older and older machines.

I don't have Win 8 (except on my phone) because I haven't upgraded machines in a while, but I've encountered it at work and it seems fairly benign.

I will say, however, that I think Win 7 might be the finest consumer OS ever made.
 
2014-02-04 09:41:21 AM
25% market share and they're still going to dump it. What a bunch of greedy idiots.

Does that make it abandonware? XP Black already exists. I say we take their lost child and make it ours.
 
2014-02-04 09:41:47 AM

PIP_the_TROLL: Valiente: It runs XP. It wouldn't run anything newer.

I'd bet that isn't true. Anything that can run XP can run Win 7.

People made a game out of it when Win 7 came out, seeing how far back they could go, installing it on older and older machines.

I don't have Win 8 (except on my phone) because I haven't upgraded machines in a while, but I've encountered it at work and it seems fairly benign.

I will say, however, that I think Win 7 might be the finest consumer OS ever made.


It's a sleeping dog that rolls over and farts as required. I have no desire to teach it a new trick. It's got an 80 gig HD, for christ's sakes. Its utility is defined, but limited: Quickbooks, Word and browsing without Flash.
 
2014-02-04 09:43:57 AM

PIP_the_TROLL: Valiente: It runs XP. It wouldn't run anything newer.

I'd bet that isn't true. Anything that can run XP can run Win 7.

People made a game out of it when Win 7 came out, seeing how far back they could go, installing it on older and older machines.

I don't have Win 8 (except on my phone) because I haven't upgraded machines in a while, but I've encountered it at work and it seems fairly benign.

I will say, however, that I think Win 7 might be the finest consumer OS ever made.


Agreed. I've got Windows 7 on a Motion Computing pentium /// tablet with 512mb ram. Works fine for what I use it for (automotive diagnostic software) and even does fine online if I need to google something or read a PDF.
 
2014-02-04 09:56:06 AM
Are you guys saying that if I install Windows 7 into a Pentium 4 with a gig of RAM it'll work?

Are you saying it'll work well? Wouldn't I need a monster video card? I got an older computer that I was thinking of mothballing, but its video card sucks. It's probably not even a 128MB card, I think it's 64.

I suppose it would be worth upgrading the video card if it was worth it.

Thoughts?    (be nice, it had never occurred to me to put a new OS in such an old computer)
 
2014-02-04 10:06:15 AM
mongbiohazard:

My main gaming machine is running Win 8.1, but my home fileserver is running XP. The reason why is because I have another server - a great little piece of hardware (Intel Entry Server SS4200-E) that for me to manage I have to run the management software on an XP machine... the software isn't compatible with 7 and Intel abandoned those machines long ago.

Same deal. Man rig is Win 7, filesever is XP, since it has both software and hardware components that are not win7/8 compatible, but still work just fine on 32-bit XP.
 
2014-02-04 10:06:54 AM

walktoanarcade: Are you guys saying that if I install Windows 7 into a Pentium 4 with a gig of RAM it'll work?


Jebus upgrade your RAM. RAM is practically free now days
 
2014-02-04 10:14:23 AM

Pick13: walktoanarcade: Are you guys saying that if I install Windows 7 into a Pentium 4 with a gig of RAM it'll work?

Jebus upgrade your RAM. RAM is practically free now days


Haha, I use more than that for the thing I'm using at the moment of course! :)  And the P4 never goes online anymore(been offline for years) and it does everything I want it to do now, plus it can only be upgraded to 2 gigs of RAM anyway.

So with that in mind, I'm wondering how smooth 7 can possibly run on it, especially with a questionable video card.    I'll upgrade the RAM if it's worth, otherwise I want to put that extra money into my gas tank.
 
2014-02-04 10:37:50 AM
One of the main reason it will keep fighting for existence is the fact that once activated, it does not deactivate. Makes the job of imaging a machine and keep distributing it over similar hardware so much easier.

I know it is not really legal, but seen it done so many times.
 
2014-02-04 10:45:52 AM

RottNDude: PIP_the_TROLL: Valiente: It runs XP. It wouldn't run anything newer.

I'd bet that isn't true. Anything that can run XP can run Win 7.

People made a game out of it when Win 7 came out, seeing how far back they could go, installing it on older and older machines.

I don't have Win 8 (except on my phone) because I haven't upgraded machines in a while, but I've encountered it at work and it seems fairly benign.

I will say, however, that I think Win 7 might be the finest consumer OS ever made.

Agreed. I've got Windows 7 on a Motion Computing pentium /// tablet with 512mb ram. Works fine for what I use it for (automotive diagnostic software) and even does fine online if I need to google something or read a PDF.


I had a laptop with a pentium 4, 1GB RAM, and a 32MB graphics card on it. It ran Windows 7 better than it ever ran XP. You don't get some of the Aero features but it is far better than XP.
 
2014-02-04 10:47:10 AM
Remember that killer feature that made windows 8 worth anything?
 
2014-02-04 10:55:52 AM
XP? Psh... the building I'm in (20 story high rise) until maybe the last year or so was running a single desktop Win95 system to control the building's hardware controls. How scary is that?

Last I saw is that it had a hard drive failure and they were scrambling to replace everything because it was so out of date, nothing was compatible. So sensors, interfaces, etc. all have to be replaced. They've been working on it for over a year and it still isn't finished.
 
2014-02-04 10:56:11 AM
I think one of these days I should just install xp on my 256 GB SSD. 16 GB RAM, i5 4.2 Ghz machine just to see how fast it will go but knowing xp it probably wont even install needing a ton of drivers to make it work right.
 
2014-02-04 11:00:47 AM

Pick13: walktoanarcade: Are you guys saying that if I install Windows 7 into a Pentium 4 with a gig of RAM it'll work?

Jebus upgrade your RAM. RAM is practically free now days


Not quite free, but pretty cheap. Cheapest newegg shows is $14 for 512MB of DDR400, which ~should be compat w/ most P4 systems. That's desktop, not laptop as well.

I note laptop, because I'm working on a contract to upgrade the ram in 8, P4 laptops. Not worth it, from cost benefit standpoint and longevity usage with intended windows 7.

So, he'd still be running a P4. (shudders...). Just buy a new system already, walkontoarcade!
 
2014-02-04 11:04:30 AM

scanman61: bbfreak: Why is this spiffy Subby? Windows XP was good for its time, but its time has since passed. Anyone who is still sticking with XP for their individual OS is an idiot.

There's a lot of automotive diagnostic software that was written under XP and hasn't been updated.

Hell, some of it still uses a serial port to connect to the interface device. :-P


i've been using serial bus connected devices with win7 for a few years. it can be a little twitchy at higher transfer speeds(if you're using usb->serial adaptors), but it works fine.

odds are the software doesn't talk to win7, doesn't run in emulation mode. there's a whole suite of educational material(a ton of stuff homeschoolers use) that doesn't run on 7 either.
 
2014-02-04 11:07:39 AM

Tobin_Lam: RottNDude: PIP_the_TROLL: Valiente: It runs XP. It wouldn't run anything newer.

I'd bet that isn't true. Anything that can run XP can run Win 7.

People made a game out of it when Win 7 came out, seeing how far back they could go, installing it on older and older machines.

I don't have Win 8 (except on my phone) because I haven't upgraded machines in a while, but I've encountered it at work and it seems fairly benign.

I will say, however, that I think Win 7 might be the finest consumer OS ever made.

Agreed. I've got Windows 7 on a Motion Computing pentium /// tablet with 512mb ram. Works fine for what I use it for (automotive diagnostic software) and even does fine online if I need to google something or read a PDF.

I had a laptop with a pentium 4, 1GB RAM, and a 32MB graphics card on it. It ran Windows 7 better than it ever ran XP. You don't get some of the Aero features but it is far better than XP.


I would have happily upgraded my server to Win 7 by now, I like Win 7, but I have software I need to use to manage a great (even if old) NAS of mine that won't run on anything newer than XP.

So I'm glad that they'll keep releasing security updates for it after the support cut off date. I was hoping to keep using these boxes for a few more years and I loathe the idea of throwing away a perfectly functional (and FAST) NAS just because Win XP would no longer be supported. Seems like a huge waste.
 
2014-02-04 11:12:52 AM

bbfreak: Why is this spiffy Subby? Windows XP was good for its time, but its time has since passed. Anyone who is still sticking with XP for their individual OS is an idiot.


85% of users will never, ever, need more from an OS than XP SP3 provides.
 
2014-02-04 11:14:04 AM
I remember when we wouldn't support win 3.1 or 3.11  oh how the customer screamed and cried.
the same for win 95, I wondered when they would go bald from tearing their hair out.
when they had to let go of NT 4.0 we had to have them contact suicide prevention hot lines.
they were fairly MEH about win 2000.
XP has battle lines drawn, but we have superior weapons to use against XP, viruses, malware and bots.  every time one of our XP's gets hit we leverage that to upgrade entire departments!

do I see much of a future in converting to Win 8, 8.1?   let me point out that we skipped Vista.

is win 9 business on our horizon?
 
2014-02-04 11:25:19 AM
I just got a call from my birth other this morning because someone hacked her old XP box and claimed to be Microsoft Support, would charge $150 to fix the "hacking", so I'm getting a kick out of these replies.

/migrated from XP to Win7 last summer
 
2014-02-04 11:25:32 AM

The Angry Hand of God: kab: XP is being bolstered by the strength of W8, clearly.

*chuckle*

Windows 8 is a sack of crap. I have yet to find a single feature I prefer over 7. 8.1 is no better. I just wish Intel or LG releases a fix for WiDi.

Just getting that off my chest. XP is way overdue. Enjoy your malware box while still running shiatty legacy applications designed for IE6.


The only difference to the end user in windows 8 is the metro interface. After installing a classic shell start menu there is nearly no noticeable difference between 7 and 8. In fact, windows 8 is smaller, benchmarks faster, and more secure than windows 7.

Looking different doesn't make it a sack of crap. Change is not always a bad thing.
 
2014-02-04 11:25:40 AM

Valiente: bbfreak: Why is this spiffy Subby? Windows XP was good for its time, but its time has since passed. Anyone who is still sticking with XP for their individual OS is an idiot.

Watch your step on that rush to judgement. I have a Dell Inspiron I bought in 2002 for a (now) ridiculous amount of dollars. It still works, because I didn't abuse it and I keep the AV program updated...and it rarely goes online.

I use it for bookkeeping, as in "my bookkeeper runs QuickBooks on it when she runs my accounts". It runs XP.  It wouldn't run anything newer. It is suited to the task, as are my several ASUS netbooks and my dual CPU graphics workstation of wonder and delight. All of that is Windows 7 and 8.1.

I also own a jeweler's hammer, a ballpeen hammer, a 16 oz. hammer, a roofer's hammer, a sledgehammer and a heavy maul that would give a Viking pause. If you follow: XP is "enough" if you don't want to chuck still-functional hardware because the OS is dated. Hell, I ran Windows 2000 on my graphics station until about three years ago. It was simple and easy to administer (far less bloatware than the consumer OSes) and looked like OS/2. I only went "forward" because I upgraded all my Adobe software suites and wanted to use more RAM. Not because I was in love with the shiny new OS.


So what are you going to do after April?  Because I really hope, for your sake, the answer is either "upgrade" or "isolate the machine from the internet".
 
2014-02-04 11:33:20 AM
For what it's worth, I discovered that I could install Win7 on a P4 with 1 gig of RAM, but it would not pull off the workload for the programs that I want to use on it for lack of a better processor.

It's in the close-but-no-cigar-range for what I want to do, but yes it'll get online fine and play many games, however it may be difficult to impossible to produce anything current with such an old chipset.

Looks like I'll be mothballing that computer afterall.
 
2014-02-04 11:56:27 AM

bbfreak: Why is this spiffy Subby? Windows XP was good for its time, but its time has since passed. Anyone who is still sticking with XP for their individual OS is an idiot.


When your entire computer experience is just email, internet and solitaire...I'd say spending the money to upgrade to 7 or 8 would be the idiotic thing to do.
 
2014-02-04 11:58:25 AM

2wolves: bbfreak: Why is this spiffy Subby? Windows XP was good for its time, but its time has since passed. Anyone who is still sticking with XP for their individual OS is an idiot.

85% of users will never, ever, need more from an OS than XP SP3 provides.


xp service pack 3 was awesome for its 'vista emulator'.

flip everything to max, pull half your ram and take a hammer to your north bridge.
 
2014-02-04 12:08:48 PM
I still use Windows 3.11 with the Y2K patch and that's the way I likes it.
 
2014-02-04 12:26:39 PM
I run a DOS program that it far superior to the new Windows version of a software for monitoring traffic signals. I have been unable to get it to work in xp mode, or DOS emulators, because it wants to go full screen when it first opens. I'll probably just unhook it from the network and only use it for connecting to signals by modem (at
1200 baud too!)
 
2014-02-04 12:34:50 PM
Over the weekend I got nostalgic for some old PC games and installed an XP VM machine on my Mac so I could play them.
 
2014-02-04 12:45:16 PM

walktoanarcade: Are you guys saying that if I install Windows 7 into a Pentium 4 with a gig of RAM it'll work?

Are you saying it'll work well? Wouldn't I need a monster video card? I got an older computer that I was thinking of mothballing, but its video card sucks. It's probably not even a 128MB card, I think it's 64.

I suppose it would be worth upgrading the video card if it was worth it.

Thoughts?    (be nice, it had never occurred to me to put a new OS in such an old computer)


FWIW, at my old job the entire office was equipped with hand-me-down Dell Optiplex systems - P4, 512mb RAM, discrete graphics (pretty old nVidia cards which were low end even at the time).  Originally they had XP and were upgraded to Windows 7,  They all ran pretty well considering and were more stable than XP; typically I had a browser open with a bunch of tabs, Excel, Word, and Access, all running at once.  Only thing that I ended up doing was turning off any fancy system effects like animations on windows etc.

/Working at a non-profit is almost never fun on the tech side
 
2014-02-04 12:53:15 PM
pastorkius:

FWIW, at my old job the entire office was equipped with hand-me-down Dell Optiplex systems - P4, 512mb RAM, discrete graphics (pretty old nVidia cards which were low end even at the time).  Originally they had XP and were upgraded to Windows 7,  They all ran pretty well considering and were more stable than XP; typically I had a browser open with a bunch of tabs, Excel, Word, and Access, all running at once.  Only thing that I ended up doing was turning off any fancy system effects like animations on windows etc.

/Working at a non-profit is almost never fun on the tech side


Thanks for the information. It may not work for one thing, but I couldn't imagine XP doing all that without locking up.  I mean, I'm starting to think there's no reason for me to run XP at all anymore for anything, and if I had to, I can run in XP mode for 64 bit machines running 7(which thankfully I'm using now).

Originally I had thought to keep an XP box offline forever for old games, but now I'm seeing how I can do that with 7 and most definitely run into less technical difficulty.
 
2014-02-04 01:07:19 PM

walktoanarcade: I mean, I'm starting to think there's no reason for me to run XP at all anymore for anything, and if I had to, I can run in XP mode for 64 bit machines running 7(which thankfully I'm using now).


Careful. If some of the old programs are compiled as 16-bit executables you won't be able to use them on a 64-bit install of Windows 7 or 8. You have to use a 32-bit OS to retain 16-bit backwards compatibility.
 
2014-02-04 01:26:37 PM
Actaully, it's getting better...
 
2014-02-04 01:30:02 PM

skozlaw: walktoanarcade: I mean, I'm starting to think there's no reason for me to run XP at all anymore for anything, and if I had to, I can run in XP mode for 64 bit machines running 7(which thankfully I'm using now).

Careful. If some of the old programs are compiled as 16-bit executables you won't be able to use them on a 64-bit install of Windows 7 or 8. You have to use a 32-bit OS to retain 16-bit backwards compatibility.


Really? Fark..thanks for the warning.
 
2014-02-04 01:43:30 PM

JoeLithium: The Angry Hand of God: kab: XP is being bolstered by the strength of W8, clearly.

*chuckle*

Windows 8 is a sack of crap. I have yet to find a single feature I prefer over 7. 8.1 is no better. I just wish Intel or LG releases a fix for WiDi.

Just getting that off my chest. XP is way overdue. Enjoy your malware box while still running shiatty legacy applications designed for IE6.

The only difference to the end user in windows 8 is the metro interface. After installing a classic shell start menu there is nearly no noticeable difference between 7 and 8. In fact, windows 8 is smaller, benchmarks faster, and more secure than windows 7.

Looking different doesn't make it a sack of crap. Change is not always a bad thing.


I have used Classic Shell since Windows 8 first came out. That god awful metro screen still pops up here and there with all hot corners and everything disabled. Let me list what I have found to be annoying and/or problematic.

Drivers. Which once again is a problem upgrading to 8.1. WiDi software specifically, however it relies on my Intel wireless adapter. This may be software, drivers, or the firmware on my TV, but the 8.1 update was the last time it worked. I have also noticed issues on several Win 8 wireless adapters where it will refuse to connect to a known network without rebooting. I have also seen something similar where I can ping Google, but I get no response on ANY web browser. Resetting the TCP/IP stack rectifies this, but also requires a reboot.

Search is completely worthless. You can modify settings to change this, but seriously, why? My favorite addition to Vista/7 was the ability to hit the Start button, and just start typing a file name.

I do not like managing startup programs from Task Manager. This is just a preference. I like my MSCONFIG.

I really dislike the push of Windows 8 syncing everything to the cloud. I guess it is OK if you can't remember more than one password. Another minor annoyance.

The stock apps are obnoxious, and quite time consuming changing all file associations. I am looking at you Windows Media Player.

No one needed "apps" and programs. No need to make this more confusing to people. Metro looks fine on phones and tablets, but even with a touchscreen laptop, completely unnecessary.

I randomly had a pop up from Win 8 telling me about some feature in the Media Player. There was no way to close it. I had to Google how to do it. The answer was clicking on the very top left corner of the screen. Not at all intuitive.

I hate the updates. Sometimes they take forever, and seem to require at least two reboots. You almost have no idea how long to expect. I like when the updates finish 100%, then it goes to some preparing your computer crap that lasts 10 more minutes. This is on a fast gaming PC.

Compatibility mode almost never works. Randomly syncing my desktop background to my laptop was annoying.

On the positive side, my performance benchmarks slightly increased for 7 to 8.

I would just expect Windows 8 to be an upgrade to 7, but it isn't at all. It is just a jumbled mess of half thought out ideas, while unsuccessfully trying to force unity over all your devices. That would he great if anyone bought a Surface or a Windows phone.

RT is bullshiat as well.
 
2014-02-04 01:54:28 PM
pastorkius:

walktoanarcade: Are you guys saying that if I install Windows 7 into a Pentium 4 with a gig of RAM it'll work?

Are you saying it'll work well? Wouldn't I need a monster video card? I got an older computer that I was thinking of mothballing, but its video card sucks. It's probably not even a 128MB card, I think it's 64.

I suppose it would be worth upgrading the video card if it was worth it.

Thoughts? (be nice, it had never occurred to me to put a new OS in such an old computer)

FWIW, at my old job the entire office was equipped with hand-me-down Dell Optiplex systems - P4, 512mb RAM, discrete graphics (pretty old nVidia cards which were low end even at the time). Originally they had XP and were upgraded to Windows 7, They all ran pretty well considering and were more stable than XP; typically I had a browser open with a bunch of tabs, Excel, Word, and Access, all running at once. Only thing that I ended up doing was turning off any fancy system effects like animations on windows etc.

/Working at a non-profit is almost never fun on the tech side


I guess I'll be *that guy* in any discussion of OSs and point to open source. Lubuntu for example... Solid, plenty of driver support (often better than MSs,) gets a lot more performance out of older / underpowered machines, and has pretty much the same "look and feel" of the Windows classic shell.

Add an office suite like OpenOffice or LibreOffice, a mail client and a browser, and that's 90% of what most people use their computers for.

I've been moving friends and family members over to systems like that... Mostly because I am cheap and lazy and tired of trying to scrounge licenses every time someone's machine takes a crap.

Bonus: if you do have a special purpose application such (automotive diagnostics were mentioned) you can get YUMI or it's like from and see if it works on Linux + Wine without making any permanent changes.
 
2014-02-04 01:57:53 PM

scanman61: There's a lot of automotive diagnostic software that was written under XP and hasn't been updated.

Hell, some of it still uses a serial port to connect to the interface device. :-P


I can relate.  If the hardware works with XP and the software that runs under XP, but doesn't work with Windows 8 and/or the software won't run under Windows 8, then XP is "better" than Windows 8 by the only measure that matters.  And, no, we can't just buy new hardware every time Microsoft decides to change something.  The "new" hardware probably doesn't even exist.
 
2014-02-04 02:13:14 PM

The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: I still use Windows 3.11 with the Y2K patch and that's the way I likes it.


Get off my 8-bit lawn?
 
2014-02-04 02:21:39 PM

Valiente: The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: I still use Windows 3.11 with the Y2K patch and that's the way I likes it.

Get off my 8-bit lawn?


That's my 16-bit lawn, My 8-bit lawn is my Commodore 64 with 5.25" floppy that was the shizznit in 1983.
 
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