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(Gizmodo)   There aren't enough bullets in America, which is why we needed a new type designed to make guts explode. And of course they called it the RIP, for Radically Invasive Projectile. Yes, RIP   (sploid.gizmodo.com) divider line 450
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2014-02-03 10:16:44 PM
Wasn't President Ronald Reagan supposedly shot with some kind of explosive bullet that didn't explode, creating complications during surgery?
 
2014-02-03 10:33:14 PM
These look dumb and not entirely feed ramp-friendly.
 
2014-02-03 10:34:03 PM
Just another gimmick designed to sell crap to the gullible at outrageous prices. Move along frady cats nothing to get your wimp panties in a bunch here.
 
2014-02-03 10:54:29 PM

dr_blasto: These look dumb and not entirely feed ramp-friendly.


And expensive, and unnecessary. I'd imagine that the Glaser Pow'R'Ball would be a better choice, or hell, some good old-fashioned Ranger Ts.
 
2014-02-03 10:57:57 PM

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: Wasn't President Ronald Reagan supposedly shot with some kind of explosive bullet that didn't explode, creating complications during surgery?


Yeah, but it was homemade. The fuse didn't go off.

A good bullet uses its own physics to activate. For example, buckshot just turns into a fist sized cloud. Nothing special, no moving parts, but it makes the shotgun fearsome because of the injuries it can inflict. Or a DU armor round. Uranium is very dense and self sharpening. As metal shears off the bullet, it will make it sharper, so it continues to penatrate. On top of that, the dust is highly flamable, so as it shears it also creates a fireball. Nasty stuff, and entitely unstoppable.
 
2014-02-03 11:03:01 PM
That looks stupid, most of it shears right off hardly penetrating, their 9mm is only 96 gr before it loses its tips. And that bullet is going to be even more unpredictable after going through any layers or walls.
 
2014-02-03 11:09:08 PM
They're a gimmick, nothing more. I expect these to be more effective and successful:

http://www.lehighdefense.com/index.php/shop/ammunition/maximum-expan si on/15/45-acp-174gr-maximum-expansion-ammo-detail
 
2014-02-03 11:21:42 PM

violentsalvation: That looks stupid, most of it shears right off hardly penetrating, their 9mm is only 96 gr before it loses its tips. And that bullet is going to be even more unpredictable after going through any layers or walls.


It's hard to read through all the buzzword marketing nonsense, but it appears to just be a new frangible round, like the MagSafe rounds.  They were originally designed for Air Marshals, so they wouldn't zip through a hijacker and penetrate the fuselage, causing rapid decompression.  They basically shatter against hard targets, and shear off into smaller pieces without much kinetic energy against soft targets.
 
2014-02-03 11:28:05 PM
Will it send Hi Def replays to your next of kin?

Yeah, I didn't think so.
 
2014-02-03 11:36:50 PM

Sgt Otter: violentsalvation: That looks stupid, most of it shears right off hardly penetrating, their 9mm is only 96 gr before it loses its tips. And that bullet is going to be even more unpredictable after going through any layers or walls.

It's hard to read through all the buzzword marketing nonsense, but it appears to just be a new frangible round, like the MagSafe rounds.  They were originally designed for Air Marshals, so they wouldn't zip through a hijacker and penetrate the fuselage, causing rapid decompression.  They basically shatter against hard targets, and shear off into smaller pieces without much kinetic energy against soft targets.


These might actually be useful in that sense, but that would make the bullet the opposite of how the company is promoting it.
 
2014-02-03 11:42:30 PM

violentsalvation: These might actually be useful in that sense, but that would make the bullet the opposite of how the company is promoting it.


The "Multiple Impact Projectile" bullet is also kind of interesting, but also kind of gimmicky.

http://www.mibullet.com/
 
2014-02-03 11:46:12 PM

violentsalvation: Sgt Otter: violentsalvation: That looks stupid, most of it shears right off hardly penetrating, their 9mm is only 96 gr before it loses its tips. And that bullet is going to be even more unpredictable after going through any layers or walls.

It's hard to read through all the buzzword marketing nonsense, but it appears to just be a new frangible round, like the MagSafe rounds.  They were originally designed for Air Marshals, so they wouldn't zip through a hijacker and penetrate the fuselage, causing rapid decompression.  They basically shatter against hard targets, and shear off into smaller pieces without much kinetic energy against soft targets.

These might actually be useful in that sense, but that would make the bullet the opposite of how the company is promoting it.


It's an engineered fragmentation frangible. It's essentially a few flechettes attached to a core slug. As far as lethality is concerned I'm dubious at best. I'll take expansion over frangibility any day for stopping power. However, one of the apparent advantages of this round is that the tines will absorb the energy of smashing through a brick and allow the core slug to keep penetrating. That I could see being useful in very limited situations, but not enough to be worth switching to in favor of say a Hydrashok or even a ball round.
 
2014-02-03 11:51:08 PM

TwistedIvory: violentsalvation: These might actually be useful in that sense, but that would make the bullet the opposite of how the company is promoting it.

The "Multiple Impact Projectile" bullet is also kind of interesting, but also kind of gimmicky.

http://www.mibullet.com/


Hadn't seen that before now. Also dubious at best. The tether stands up to paper, sure, but a human skull? Or a femur? That is just asking for trouble.
 
2014-02-03 11:52:04 PM

TwistedIvory: violentsalvation: These might actually be useful in that sense, but that would make the bullet the opposite of how the company is promoting it.

The "Multiple Impact Projectile" bullet is also kind of interesting, but also kind of gimmicky.

http://www.mibullet.com/


Looks good for hunting waterfowl...

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2014-02-04 12:06:31 AM

TwistedIvory: dr_blasto: These look dumb and not entirely feed ramp-friendly.

And expensive, and unnecessary. I'd imagine that the Glaser Pow'R'Ball would be a better choice, or hell, some good old-fashioned Ranger Ts.


Came to mention the Glasers.

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2014-02-04 12:46:56 AM
imo it's bullshiat.
 
2014-02-04 02:08:53 AM
Didn't Winchester pull their Black Talon line off the market because they were afraid of getting sued over this sort of thing?
 
2014-02-04 02:27:49 AM

GreenAdder: Didn't Winchester pull their Black Talon line off the market because they were afraid of getting sued over this sort of thing?


The Black Talon was getting a lot of negative press (sorta like this bullet here) but the bullet didn't preform the same. It was black and mean looking, people said it was like teflon and could slip through body armor before it exploded in a body with sharp bits that sliced arteries and nicked the gloves of surgeons. But that wasn't the case, Black Talon was simply very effective at expanding like a good hollow point, and Winchester has improved versions of it on the market, but they ditched the name.
 
2014-02-04 02:45:38 AM

GreenAdder: Didn't Winchester pull their Black Talon line off the market because they were afraid of getting sued over this sort of thing?


It was quietly re-introduced as the near-identical Ranger SXT.

The Black Talon expanded like a standard hollow-point, but the "petals" were supposedly sharper than a standard HP.  The RIP appears to have its petals actually shear off the main core to create multiple wound channels.
 
2014-02-04 02:45:52 AM
It's been done.
www.grubgrade.com
 
2014-02-04 03:51:08 AM
The important question has to be asked - how effective are they against school kids?
 
2014-02-04 03:53:15 AM
Expensive gimmick. Next.
 
2014-02-04 04:00:57 AM
You think one of these will do some damage to a guy, you should try hitting him with a car.
 
2014-02-04 04:04:32 AM

CarrieWhite: The important question has to be asked - how effective are they against school kids?


How do they do against churches?
 
2014-02-04 04:05:02 AM
The way the speed up and slow down the slow motion replay is really annoying.
 
2014-02-04 04:05:59 AM
OHMYGOD they have spikes they look SOSOSO SCARY

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
 
2014-02-04 04:07:34 AM
I prefer my AR-47 that shoots a phased plasma bullet in a 40 watt range.
 
2014-02-04 04:10:29 AM
Oh yeah, I remember seeing this pitched on Shark Tank.

"So Sharks, which one of YOU wants to be in the RIP business?"
Lori: What are your sales?
"We've done approximately 1 million to date this year, and if Obama is reelected we expect to double that in 2013. Lori, we would really love to have you pitch these on QVC."
Damon: I don't know if I can help you with this, so I'm out.
"That's fine. But you'll be experiencing these first hand if I ever see you in my neighborhood, boy."
 
2014-02-04 04:13:18 AM
 
2014-02-04 04:14:25 AM
Anti-gun propaganda to get folks thinking one bullet is enough.
 
2014-02-04 04:15:42 AM
Those things look like they'll collapse in on themselves the second they touch a feed ramp.  And probably too light-for-weight to reliably produce enough recoil to cycle the gun.  And probably $45/box, too.  Pass.
 
2014-02-04 04:15:46 AM
Um, actually this sounds like standard frangible ammo designed to fix the issue of limited penetration without losing the benefit of relative safety to bystanders (frangible ammo doesn't really go through, say, walls so it's much safer to use in self-defense situations in cities than a basic slug, but it also doesn't go through people so it can do things like create horrible, nasty looking wounds but not do enough real damage to stop someone, which is the point of defensive shooting).

Frankly it's not at all a bad idea as a defensive round.  Military's not going to pick them up anytime soon, but they could end up being reasonable for SWAT and so on.

That said, private civilians already have a round designed for stopping power and to avoid over-penetration; they're called hollow-points, and civilian self-defense that occurs at a range where the resulting loss of accuracy makes any difference probably isn't  legal self-defense, so we don't need the stuff in TFA.  Police reasonably might, though, again.
 
2014-02-04 04:16:15 AM

hestheone: Anti-gun propaganda to get folks thinking one bullet is enough.


If your a proper marksman, 1 bullet is enough...
 
2014-02-04 04:18:52 AM
Sorry, "you're"...
 
2014-02-04 04:19:42 AM

Kalashinator: Those things look like they'll collapse in on themselves the second they touch a feed ramp.  And probably too light-for-weight to reliably produce enough recoil to cycle the gun.  And probably $45/box, too.  Pass.


In all fairness, though, they're marketing these essentially as improved frangibles and these are all problems you already have and are presumably dealing with if you're loading frag.
 
2014-02-04 04:19:47 AM
Fun to see morons arguing this still
 
2014-02-04 04:20:49 AM

dr_blasto: These look dumb and not entirely feed ramp-friendly.


This. Those spikes just look like they would hang on the feed lips and increase the odds of a jam.

I'm generally an advocate of kinetic energy over a big, dumb boolet when it comes to stopping power, but this is just silly. All the kinetic energy in the world isn't going to do a damn thing when it's wasted by a fragmenting projectile embedding itself in the first half-inch of tissue. You have to actually transfer that energy into making a hole. The Glaser/MagSafe design at least works like a miniature shotgun spray and tears out a concentrated mass of flesh. This thing is just going to produce some painful, but non-debilitating shrapnel that completely fails to reach the vital organs.

I'll stick with my conventional hollowpoints.
 
2014-02-04 04:22:48 AM

TwistedIvory: violentsalvation: These might actually be useful in that sense, but that would make the bullet the opposite of how the company is promoting it.

The "Multiple Impact Projectile" bullet is also kind of interesting, but also kind of gimmicky.

http://www.mibullet.com/


Everything old is new again.

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Chainshot for small arms.
 
2014-02-04 04:31:54 AM

buzzgoat: hestheone: Anti-gun propaganda to get folks thinking one bullet is enough.

If your [sic] a proper marksman, 1 bullet is enough...



Big talk is easy on the internet, but it's actually very difficult to shoot accurately if you're using a handgun in self defense.  You can't take a 'proper' pose and those paper targets are a lot easier to hit than someone who is trying to hurt you.  Also, there's the problem of multiple assailants.

It's just not the kind of thing that lends itself to generalizations like you attempted.

That's why I really like .45 acp.  If you miss, it's less likely to make it through the walls or even outside, and it's not a very snappy round, so if you're shooting with your off hand (because of an injury) or just one hand (because you're holding a phone or pushing someone away from you or any  number of things) you can control the weapon better.

Of course, most people who need a gun to protect themselves are not physically strong young men, either.  Unfortunately I see a lot of ladies and older folks get tiny guns or light revolvers instead of a big Glock .45 that is simple, accurate, and much easier to handle in a really bad situation.

But the best defense is to just avoid the problem.  Move, for example.  Don't follow that weirdo with a hoodie into the complex.  But if you can't avoid it, which is sometimes the case, I don't think people should attempt precision marksmanship.  They should just shoot for dead center, and shoot as many rounds as they have in the gun.
 
2014-02-04 04:33:29 AM
The site is down but this sounds like the Black Rhino nonsense of the 90s:

The maker, Signature Products Corporation of Huntsville, Ala., says the bullets break into thousands of razorlike fragments when they strike human flesh, the fragments becoming lethal shrapnel that "is hurled into vital organs, lungs, circulatory system components, the heart and other tissues." It also said death was "nearly instantaneous."

The reality was a bit different.
 
2014-02-04 04:33:32 AM
I am going to buy as many of these as I can in .40 S&W before reactionary ultra-liberal idiots piss their pants until this particular type of ammo is banned.
 
2014-02-04 04:34:11 AM

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2014-02-04 04:34:45 AM
Forgot to say that I think JHP rounds are more than enough for self defense.  I also think it makes sense to actually use the rounds you are keeping for self defense, rotating through them, so that you know if there's a feeding or other reliability problem.

These designer rounds probably have some purpose in the world, but for self defense I think JHP is smarter partly because you can afford to practice with them.
 
2014-02-04 04:36:48 AM

Arcanum: Forgot to say that I think JHP rounds are more than enough for self defense.  I also think it makes sense to actually use the rounds you are keeping for self defense, rotating through them, so that you know if there's a feeding or other reliability problem.

These designer rounds probably have some purpose in the world, but for self defense I think JHP is smarter partly because you can afford to practice with them.


I like to load my mags with the last round as a tracer, that way I know when I'm out of ammo. The rest is hollow-points ;p
 
2014-02-04 04:37:41 AM
I'll stick with my DPUH, thanks.
 
2014-02-04 04:39:56 AM
I really hope these are super damaging so that when idiots shoot themselves, which I'm led to believe happens fairly regularly they hurt themselves much, much worse. Ideally they would always result in self harming idiots bleeding out before they can receive help. .

\hey, a guy can dream right?
 
2014-02-04 04:41:18 AM

Jim_Callahan: Um, actually this sounds like standard frangible ammo designed to fix the issue of limited penetration without losing the benefit of relative safety to bystanders (frangible ammo doesn't really go through, say, walls so it's much safer to use in self-defense situations in cities than a basic slug, but it also doesn't go through people so it can do things like create horrible, nasty looking wounds but not do enough real damage to stop someone, which is the point of defensive shooting).

Frankly it's not at all a bad idea as a defensive round.  Military's not going to pick them up anytime soon, but they could end up being reasonable for SWAT and so on.

That said, private civilians already have a round designed for stopping power and to avoid over-penetration; they're called hollow-points, and civilian self-defense that occurs at a range where the resulting loss of accuracy makes any difference probably isn't  legal self-defense, so we don't need the stuff in TFA.  Police reasonably might, though, again.


Indeed. Seems the only reason to take this would be to intentionally inflict shrapnel damage... which is stupid and quite a horrible idea.
 
2014-02-04 04:42:03 AM

AbortionsForAll: I am going to buy as many of these as I can in .40 S&W before reactionary ultra-liberal idiots piss their pants until this particular type of ammo is banned.


I highly recommend that you do that - and as soon as my February checks from S&W, H&K, Colt, and Winchester get here, I'll go back to shilling anti-gun rhetoric that can't be Constitutionally implemented, so you'll run out and buy even more!
Bwwaaaaahahahahhahha! ( I don't know how to do a specifically "librul" Evil Laugh)
 
2014-02-04 04:43:03 AM

maddermaxx: Jim_Callahan: Um, actually this sounds like standard frangible ammo designed to fix the issue of limited penetration without losing the benefit of relative safety to bystanders (frangible ammo doesn't really go through, say, walls so it's much safer to use in self-defense situations in cities than a basic slug, but it also doesn't go through people so it can do things like create horrible, nasty looking wounds but not do enough real damage to stop someone, which is the point of defensive shooting).

Frankly it's not at all a bad idea as a defensive round.  Military's not going to pick them up anytime soon, but they could end up being reasonable for SWAT and so on.

That said, private civilians already have a round designed for stopping power and to avoid over-penetration; they're called hollow-points, and civilian self-defense that occurs at a range where the resulting loss of accuracy makes any difference probably isn't  legal self-defense, so we don't need the stuff in TFA.  Police reasonably might, though, again.

Indeed. Seems the only reason to take this would be to intentionally inflict shrapnel damage... which is stupid and quite a horrible idea.


I'll bet you're a blast at parties. :(
 
2014-02-04 04:44:30 AM

Mark Ratner: I prefer my AR-47 that shoots a phased plasma bullet in a 40 watt range.


I asked for that when I went into the gun store but the guy told me "hey, just what you see pal".
 
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