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(Chron)   Usually being ignored by United Airlines is a good thing. Unless you are the City of Cleveland   (chron.com) divider line 10
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2014-02-03 10:20:00 PM
The die was pretty much cast for Cleveland's hub once that merger was made. No sense in having a hub in Cleveland when you have on in Chicago. Same thing happened with the TWA/AA hub here in St. Louis.
 
2014-02-03 10:23:47 PM
"Oh no, you mean I can't fly United?"
- No one, ever
 
2014-02-03 10:24:10 PM

Mrtraveler01: The die was pretty much cast for Cleveland's hub once that merger was made. No sense in having a hub in Cleveland when you have on in Chicago. Same thing happened with the TWA/AA hub here in St. Louis.




The plan was never to shutdown the hub at STL, but to use it as overflow from DFW. Unfortunately, AA entered its death spiral.
 
2014-02-03 11:31:05 PM
That they're ignoring Cleveland is good for all of us.
 
2014-02-03 11:55:10 PM

TedCruz'sCrazyDad: Mrtraveler01: The die was pretty much cast for Cleveland's hub once that merger was made. No sense in having a hub in Cleveland when you have on in Chicago. Same thing happened with the TWA/AA hub here in St. Louis.

The plan was never to shutdown the hub at STL, but to use it as overflow from DFW. Unfortunately, AA entered its death spiral.


They were planning on using it for ORD overflow, but yeah, they said they'd never shut it down but it didn't seem entirely believable.
Now with the US/AA merger, CLT and PHX should probably start lubing up. They've promised to keep hubs there for 3 or 5 years, I can't remember which, but not in any legally binding way.
 
2014-02-03 11:56:42 PM
The thing is, I've been through there a ton... Cleveland's airport struggles as a hub, with way too many bus-based connections... they also struggle far more than Chicago's airports when snow/ice happen. I have no beef with the city itself, but the airport is poorly designed and just not particularly well-suited to being a hub.
 
2014-02-04 12:13:13 AM

buzzcut73: CLT and PHX should probably start lubing up.


I don't see them getting ditched, but they'll probably get downsized, at worst being like Cincinnati and quite possibly better off.  LA and Miami are in such high demand they're going to have a hard time expanding there.  For a counterargument, there's tons of room in Dallas, but it'll take tons of money to create new terminals which aren't planned right now and I think a structure of Dallas + Northeast + Miami + LA would be sending too many people east-central-east or west-central-west backtracking.  And in terms of local traffic and big business and the like, Phoenix and Charlotte are more in demand cities than places like STL and Memphis and Cleveland.
 
2014-02-04 01:01:57 AM

buzzcut73: They were planning on using it for ORD overflow, but yeah, they said they'd never shut it down but it didn't seem entirely believable.


Yeah, they didn't have much time to put that plan into action before 9/11 and after that point, the amount of air traffic went down so much that AA didn't need a large hub in St. Louis anymore.

I always forget about the plans to make it an overflow of ORD and DFW but I do remember people around here being very skeptical of those plans.

But look on the bright side Cleveland, now this might possibly meann more Southwest flights possibly heading your way, they did a good job in filling in the gap here in St. Louis.
 
2014-02-04 07:19:38 AM

Mrtraveler01: buzzcut73: They were planning on using it for ORD overflow, but yeah, they said they'd never shut it down but it didn't seem entirely believable.

Yeah, they didn't have much time to put that plan into action before 9/11 and after that point, the amount of air traffic went down so much that AA didn't need a large hub in St. Louis anymore.

I always forget about the plans to make it an overflow of ORD and DFW but I do remember people around here being very skeptical of those plans.

But look on the bright side Cleveland, now this might possibly meann more Southwest flights possibly heading your way, they did a good job in filling in the gap here in St. Louis.




Southwest already dominates Akron-Canton, which is an hour south of Cleveland. I'd like to see JetBlue or Virgin America move in to Hopkins.
 
2014-02-04 10:12:35 AM
Mrtraveler01:
But look on the bright side Cleveland, now this might possibly meann more Southwest flights possibly heading your way, they did a good job in filling in the gap here in St. Louis.

Sadly for St Louis, they may see a drop in Southwest traffic once Wright expires next year. All those routes that used to stop in STL don't have to out of DAL after that, like DAL-STL-MDW, DAL-STL-BWI, etc.

I don't think STL is going to take a huge beating like they did with AA, but there will be a reduction. Same for ABQ, AUS, ELP...any of the cities they could serve from DAL and go on to where people really wanted to go.
 
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