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(NPR)   If you're living in one of these 10 regions of the U.S., you're buying health coverage at a much more expensive rate under the Affordable Care Act than most others other regions. Why? Your limited number of hospitals allows them to demand high prices   (npr.org) divider line 163
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2014-02-03 02:34:11 PM
We should have a single payer system like Canada or the UK.
 
2014-02-03 02:48:29 PM
If you are buying health coverage in the Colorado ski resort towns, the Connecticut suburbs of New York City or a bunch of otherwise low-cost rural regions of Georgia, Mississippi and Nevada

So, the places where their are lots of rich people and places where there are very few of any kinds of people at all don't have many hospitals. Shocking. Truly.
 
2014-02-03 03:02:54 PM
If you're living in one of these 10 regions of the U.S., you're buying health coverage at a much more expensive rate under the Affordable Care Act than most others other regions.

Unlike before the affordable care act, when everything was unicorns and rainbows.
 
2014-02-03 03:18:53 PM
Does this mean Sarah Palin is automatically president and Barack Obama must get all health care from back-alley butchers in the future?
 
2014-02-03 04:26:01 PM

KawaiiNot: We should have a single payer system like Canada or the UK.


We will.  Eventually.  There is no doubt in my mind that eventually Medicare will just be how everyone gets healthcare.
 
2014-02-03 04:51:26 PM

Dinki: If you're living in one of these 10 regions of the U.S., you're buying health coverage at a much more expensive rate under the Affordable Care Act than most others other regions.

Unlike before the affordable care act, when everything was unicorns and rainbows.


FARKING THIS!

so sick of this non-problem

NEWS FLASH
this is why developed countries have single payer universal type coverage 
strangely enough, I bet people worldwide in rural low-pop areas have to travel to higher-pop areas to get medical treatment.

DUH!
 
2014-02-03 04:54:28 PM
Are there insurance companies which sell a silver or gold plan, the SAME version, for the same price, in all states?
Why not?
And how soon before there will be?

At what point will big carriers move into those other states to take advantage of economies of scale?


I know in the past, 50 different state laws made this difficult or impossible.
But with a unified definition of what must be covered, you would think that this would be an opportunity.
 
2014-02-03 04:58:44 PM

Nabb1: If you are buying health coverage in the Colorado ski resort towns, the Connecticut suburbs of New York City or a bunch of otherwise low-cost rural regions of Georgia, Mississippi and Nevada

So, the places where their are lots of rich people and places where there are very few of any kinds of people at all don't have many hospitals. Shocking. Truly.


Solid excuse for gouging the ill. "You have fewer choices, so we are going to f*ck you over". Quality reasoning.
 
2014-02-03 05:02:03 PM
You wanted for-profit healthcare and you got it. Shut your damn pie holes.
 
2014-02-03 05:04:09 PM

mediablitz: Nabb1: If you are buying health coverage in the Colorado ski resort towns, the Connecticut suburbs of New York City or a bunch of otherwise low-cost rural regions of Georgia, Mississippi and Nevada

So, the places where their are lots of rich people and places where there are very few of any kinds of people at all don't have many hospitals. Shocking. Truly.

Solid excuse for gouging the ill. "You have fewer choices, so we are going to f*ck you over". Quality reasoning.


Like the telcos
 
2014-02-03 05:04:18 PM
So we have another example of why the free market shouldn't be applied to the healthcare industry, because "healthcare" is pretty damn inelastic, because you will pay exactly what they demand you pay or you die.
 
2014-02-03 05:05:18 PM
I 'spose there was a DUH tag big enough...
 
2014-02-03 05:05:21 PM
Maybe this is part of Obama's fabled long game, where he shows everybody just how worthless insurance companies are so that in a few years, we'll all be begging for single payer. Kind of a "careful what you wish for" situation.
 
2014-02-03 05:08:02 PM

mediablitz: Nabb1: If you are buying health coverage in the Colorado ski resort towns, the Connecticut suburbs of New York City or a bunch of otherwise low-cost rural regions of Georgia, Mississippi and Nevada

So, the places where their are lots of rich people and places where there are very few of any kinds of people at all don't have many hospitals. Shocking. Truly.

Solid excuse for gouging the ill. "You have fewer choices, so we are going to f*ck you over". Quality reasoning.


Never ever expect people to forego potential benefits to help others.  Expecting otherwise is to ignore human nature.
 
2014-02-03 05:08:24 PM
My south GA county made the list.  :-(  Thankfully I have employer provided healthcare.
 
2014-02-03 05:09:23 PM

namatad: Are there insurance companies which sell a silver or gold plan, the SAME version, for the same price, in all states?
Why not?
And how soon before there will be?

At what point will big carriers move into those other states to take advantage of economies of scale?


I know in the past, 50 different state laws made this difficult or impossible.
But with a unified definition of what must be covered, you would think that this would be an opportunity.


The law doesn't allow the selling of plans across state lines.  The idea is to avoid a race to the bottom, so an insurance company doesn't just move to the state with the lowest number of regulations/rules to grab the lowest price and grab all the customers who only look at the price and not the features (think airline tickets).
 
2014-02-03 05:10:01 PM
Can't wait for 2016 when Obamacare gets repealed. We can't move closer to true single-payer until this farce is flushed down the commode.
 
2014-02-03 05:10:59 PM

KawaiiNot: We should have a single payer system like Canada or the UK.


We should have the freedom to have whatever we want to buy instead of having some fascist jackass on the other side of the country making decisions for us.
 
2014-02-03 05:12:02 PM
AliasSally: My south GA county made the list.  :-(  Thankfully I have employer provided healthcare insurance.

/FTFM
//It's the worst of the high-deductible catastrophe plans
///not getting a kick and stuff
 
2014-02-03 05:12:40 PM

Smeggy Smurf: KawaiiNot: We should have a single payer system like Canada or the UK.

We should have the freedom to have whatever we want to buy instead of having some fascist jackass on the other side of the country making decisions for us.


So is calling something fascist sort of like a mini Godwin?
 
2014-02-03 05:12:56 PM
Rabble, rabble, rabble. Dogs bark. Caravan moves on.
 
2014-02-03 05:13:09 PM

namatad: Are there insurance companies which sell a silver or gold plan, the SAME version, for the same price, in all states?
Why not?
And how soon before there will be?

At what point will big carriers move into those other states to take advantage of economies of scale?


I know in the past, 50 different state laws made this difficult or impossible.
But with a unified definition of what must be covered, you would think that this would be an opportunity.


There still isn't a unified definition of what must be covered. HHS left the decision of what would count as the minimum essential benefits package up to the states as long as they chose one of the following options:

- One of the three largest small-group plans,
- One of the three largest state employee plans,
- One of the three largest federal employee plans, or
- The largest HMO plan.

Most states went with one of the largest small-group plans. That means plans are still rather balkanized. Beyond that, if I have insurance from a company in Delaware, my doctors in Kansas are likely not in the network, and I'll get gouged by out-of-network charges.
 
2014-02-03 05:13:35 PM

KawaiiNot: We should have a single payer system like Canada or the UK.


What?  And do it the way the rest of the world does?  Never!

We like driving on the right-hand side of the road!  We like our feet and inches instead of that stinky metric system!  We like paying 10 times as much as we should for health care!  It's 'Murican!
 
2014-02-03 05:13:41 PM
FREE MARKET!!!!!
 
2014-02-03 05:13:45 PM
Wait until they all figure out that:

HEALTH INSURANCE does NOT EQUAL HEALTH CARE.

Wait until those claims start getting denied.  It's unbelievable that the libtards sold us up the creek.

Tons of cash, tons of subsidies, jacked up taxes all for naught.  Thanks Obama and Pelosi.
 
2014-02-03 05:14:06 PM

Smeggy Smurf: KawaiiNot: We should have a single payer system like Canada or the UK.

We should have the freedom to have whatever we want to buy instead of having some fascist jackass on the other side of the country making decisions for us.


Why not both?

A baseline of medical care and catastrophic coverage, then private insurance that picks up what the government doesn't cover, sort of like how other First World countries do it.
 
2014-02-03 05:14:06 PM
Thanks, Obamacare.
 
2014-02-03 05:15:21 PM

KawaiiNot: We should have a single payer system like Canada or the UK.


You know the hospitals will never allow that to happen, right?
 
2014-02-03 05:15:26 PM

Smeggy Smurf: We should have the freedom to have whatever we want to buy instead of having some fascist jackass on the other side of the country making decisions for us.


You don't. Living in Texas I am only allowed to buy insurance (Blue Cross & Blue Shield) at rates available in Texas. But if I lived in Alabama I would be paying almost half of what I pay now. Oh, wait,you want your free market? Make it a free market by forcing insurance companies to really compete.

Or we could just give Medicare a chance to play by turning it into a single-payer system and then allow people to purchase elective health insurance. You know, for your third nose job and tummy-tuck.
 
2014-02-03 05:15:47 PM

williesleg: Wait until they all figure out that:

HEALTH INSURANCE does NOT EQUAL HEALTH CARE.

Wait until those claims start getting denied.  It's unbelievable that the libtards sold us up the creek.

Tons of cash, tons of subsidies, jacked up taxes all for naught.  Thanks Obama and Pelosi.


80% of premiums collected have to go to care.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/07/18/the-obama ca re-provision-that-terrifies-insurers/
 
2014-02-03 05:16:56 PM

jaemcsd: FREE MARKET!!!!!


Yup, it's those free-market Certificates of Need that are preventing those hospitals and clinics from being built.
 
2014-02-03 05:19:15 PM

AliasSally: AliasSally: My south GA county made the list.  :-(  Thankfully I have employer provided healthcare insurance.

/FTFM
//It's the worst of the high-deductible catastrophe plans
///not getting a kick and stuff


Ours isn't cat-coverage yet, but the Mrs and I were looking at our deductibles over the weekend.

From 1995 to 2004 our deductible was $500.00

2005-2010 it went up to $2,000.00

2011-2013 was $4,000.00

And now for 2014 we have a $6,000.00 deductible.  For what?  Rates are still going up.  Coverage (after the deductible is paid, of course) is the same.

It *will* be catastrophe coverage pretty soon...
 
2014-02-03 05:21:52 PM
Many hospitals and clinics are the problem as well.

Healthcare costs in this country have SPIKED due to gouging. Profit. And the Obama Admin pretty much forced all of us into this system.

Quality healthcare without insurance can still be had. Just fly to India.
 
2014-02-03 05:22:00 PM
Seriously, is there anyone left (excluding the most fanatical Democrat partyliners) that thinks ACA is good policy?

I hate to say it but this, this is why being a lifelong academic and "community organizer" doesn't provide enough real-world experience to be president. Same as being handed business after business and running them into the ground doesn't qualify one to be president.
 
2014-02-03 05:22:26 PM

meat0918: williesleg: Wait until they all figure out that:

HEALTH INSURANCE does NOT EQUAL HEALTH CARE.

Wait until those claims start getting denied.  It's unbelievable that the libtards sold us up the creek.

Tons of cash, tons of subsidies, jacked up taxes all for naught.  Thanks Obama and Pelosi.

80% of premiums collected have to go to care.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/07/18/the-obama ca re-provision-that-terrifies-insurers/


Yes, but if I were saving the same money in a tax-exempt health care account, 100% would go to care.  And I would have a choice.
 
2014-02-03 05:23:19 PM

Jument: You wanted for-profit healthcare and you got it. Shut your damn pie holes.


Come over to Japan and live for a while and tell me single payer is better.

Though, system like Canada's would be OK, I suppose.
 
2014-02-03 05:23:19 PM

meat0918: So we have another example of why the free market shouldn't be applied to the healthcare industry, because "healthcare" is pretty damn inelastic, because you will pay exactly what they demand you pay or you die.


I... can't believe it.  Somebody posted the obvious, economics 102 problem with healthcare being run in a fundamentally capitalist framework.

People keep trying to come up with what's wrong with the healthcare industry.  There's nothing wrong with it... it's responding, overall in the large trends, exactly like you'd expect them to behave in a capitalistic system: to consolidate and gain market and lobbying leverage, provide the least amount of services for the money received up until the point the lawsuits balance out their savings, focus on quarterly earnings and quarter over quarter growth, and all the problems those entail.

Don't hate the player, hate the game they are allowed to play.
 
2014-02-03 05:24:29 PM
So because this is capitalism, one of two things is happening:

1) It actually costs that much more money to give them all health insurance because *reasons*
2) It does not actually cost that much, but no one else wants to enter the market because *reasons* (And it could be corporate blackmail or government regulations or uncertainty or [insert facts that justify your personal belief system here])

There's no other real option.  Because there's money to be made, and rich people don't like not making money.
 
2014-02-03 05:25:38 PM
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA "Affordable Care Act" *gasp* Ah-HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Another deliberate exercise in doublethink.
 
2014-02-03 05:26:19 PM
Just die quickly.
 
2014-02-03 05:26:27 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Seriously, is there anyone left (excluding the most fanatical Democrat partyliners) that thinks ACA is good policy?

I hate to say it but this, this is why being a lifelong academic and "community organizer" doesn't provide enough real-world experience to be president. Same as being handed business after business and running them into the ground doesn't qualify one to be president.


I don't recall seeing so much potato under this login, did your account get hacked?
 
2014-02-03 05:27:24 PM

williesleg: meat0918: williesleg: Wait until they all figure out that:

HEALTH INSURANCE does NOT EQUAL HEALTH CARE.

Wait until those claims start getting denied.  It's unbelievable that the libtards sold us up the creek.

Tons of cash, tons of subsidies, jacked up taxes all for naught.  Thanks Obama and Pelosi.

80% of premiums collected have to go to care.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/07/18/the-obama ca re-provision-that-terrifies-insurers/

Yes, but if I were saving the same money in a tax-exempt health care account, 100% would go to care.  And I would have a choice.


And it would come no where near to covering your costs should you require even a short hospital stay.
 
2014-02-03 05:27:29 PM

llortcM_yllort: KawaiiNot: We should have a single payer system like Canada or the UK.

You know the hospitals will never allow that to happen, right?



UK and Canada are disasters.  No innovation, shortage of workers, shortage of supplies, and the kicker:  no accountability (particularly in UK).
 
2014-02-03 05:27:38 PM
Largest subsidized military and prison system, worst subsidized healthcare and university system.
 
2014-02-03 05:28:35 PM

Maud Dib: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Seriously, is there anyone left (excluding the most fanatical Democrat partyliners) that thinks ACA is good policy?

I hate to say it but this, this is why being a lifelong academic and "community organizer" doesn't provide enough real-world experience to be president. Same as being handed business after business and running them into the ground doesn't qualify one to be president.

I don't recall seeing so much potato under this login, did your account get hacked?


I think I'm just really hungry...
 
2014-02-03 05:28:52 PM

meat0918: williesleg: meat0918: williesleg: Wait until they all figure out that:

HEALTH INSURANCE does NOT EQUAL HEALTH CARE.

Wait until those claims start getting denied.  It's unbelievable that the libtards sold us up the creek.

Tons of cash, tons of subsidies, jacked up taxes all for naught.  Thanks Obama and Pelosi.

80% of premiums collected have to go to care.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/07/18/the-obama ca re-provision-that-terrifies-insurers/

Yes, but if I were saving the same money in a tax-exempt health care account, 100% would go to care.  And I would have a choice.

And it would come no where near to covering your costs should you require even a short hospital stay.


That's bullshiat, do the math, learn how to invest.  And, if I could save the money and pass it down to my kids, the problem would be solved in one generation.  End of discussion.
 
2014-02-03 05:29:23 PM

williesleg: llortcM_yllort: KawaiiNot: We should have a single payer system like Canada or the UK.

You know the hospitals will never allow that to happen, right?


UK and Canada are disasters.  No innovation, shortage of workers, shortage of supplies, and the kicker:  no accountability (particularly in UK).


.....except in THIS reality it's no different than our current state of healthcare. They just don't ask you for insurance information first.
 
2014-02-03 05:29:36 PM

KawaiiNot: We should have a single payer system like Canada or the UK.


As a Canadian who likes to lurk in these health care threads, I'm always amazed!

I have NO IDEA what my healthcare costs... I've twice been hospitalized for 3 weeks at a time, had major surgery... I never see a bill...

I call up my local Dr. and can usually get in either the same day or next... I just show my health card when I show up...

no 'co-pays' or limits...

OH, I DID have to once pay $20 to have the Dr. fill out a form for my 'short term disability' claim from work...

In most Canadian provinces, health care costs are covered by a payroll tax ON the employers...and this covers everyone - workers, unemployed, kids, retired... There is a couple province who still bill the individual for coverage, but the rates are 1/20th of what you guys in the States pay.

It just amazes me when I read about people HAPPY because their rate went from $1200/month to $800/month under the new law! I couldn't imagine paying ANY of those rates!!!
 
2014-02-03 05:29:40 PM

williesleg: llortcM_yllort: KawaiiNot: We should have a single payer system like Canada or the UK.

You know the hospitals will never allow that to happen, right?


UK and Canada are disasters.  No innovation, shortage of workers, shortage of supplies, and the kicker:  no accountability (particularly in UK).


I'm sure you have some data to back that up.

Things like patient outcomes, rates of hospitalization, mortality, etc.
 
2014-02-03 05:30:57 PM
I'm sure when they work the bugs out it will run very smooth and be affordable. I'm already thinking about where I can invest all the money I'll be saving.
/yea obama
 
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