Saiga410: Harbinger of the Doomed Rat: ikanreed: whistleridge: Flawed premise: rich people are in fact a big part of the reason poor people are poor. If you believe otherwise, I have a bridge to sell you; send me an email and we'll close this deal.Well, it's not so much that it's not true, as it is unprovable.Between the two of us, there is a table with 50 burgers on it. Through various means, I obtain 49 of those 50 burgers, leaving you with 1. It's not "unprovable" that I am the reason you only have 1 burger.If you did not try to get more than one hamburger then, ya it is kinda your fault
Mr. Eugenides: FarkedOver: The rich need people to be poor. They need the unemployed. The fact that they need these things is exactly why they do everything in their power to make sure it is that way.Care to explain why the rich need people to be poor and unemployed?
rvesco: Yeah. Why pay attention to the opinion of an award-winning business journalist?
Harbinger of the Doomed Rat: ikanreed: whistleridge: Flawed premise: rich people are in fact a big part of the reason poor people are poor. If you believe otherwise, I have a bridge to sell you; send me an email and we'll close this deal.Well, it's not so much that it's not true, as it is unprovable.Between the two of us, there is a table with 50 burgers on it. Through various means, I obtain 49 of those 50 burgers, leaving you with 1. It's not "unprovable" that I am the reason you only have 1 burger.
Lcpl_Dunno: To be fair the "poor guy" probably lives an overly lavish lifestyle (considering his income) to make this happen.
inclemency: I'm terribly sorry that the rich are ashamed at having so many more magnitudes of obscene and unnecessary wealth. The fleeting guilt mixed with greedy sociopathy is not enough to save their souls however, no matter how many bullshiat articles apologists write.Own it: you think you deserve to be above all others, ethics apply not if there's money involved.... YOU ARE SPECIAL and obscene wastes of money or hoarding it are your BIRTHRIGHT. Sure, people are starving or out of work, fark 'em!You got yours, that's what's important.Greedy, sociopathic narcissists. I'm getting tired of these 'don't be mean to the wealthy, proles' submissions. Push that camel through the needle farkers.
Lcpl_Dunno: Stop demanding that they should get punished for success
Lcpl_Dunno:1. I don't think the rich should get some massive tax break for no damned reasonThe rich do, and have been lobbying hard and successfully to ensure that their gains from other people's productivity are explicitly taxed less. This is a way of rigging the system.2. Stop demanding that they should get punished for successWhen "success" includes being bailed out by the tax payer, sweetheart Federal contracts, rampant cronysim, lobbying to create barriers for new market entrants, and assorted overseas banking shenanigans, it's well past time people were punished.3. While your analogy is still stupid, thinking even remotely outside the box has given options to your poor kid in which much risk is involved, but will turn reward if fruitful ... kinda like any other business venture.We're not talking about getting rich here, we're talking about keeping afloat, and when that's not a tenable situation for an American working any full time job, that's a serious systemic flaw. The degradation of bargaining rights has robbed the average worker of leverage in labor/salary negotiations.4. The truly poor generally are in that position due to a systemic issue of bad choices. Staying there or getting out are equally available options if one wants to put in the work.This is not true. The whole fundamental promise of the American dream is available to fewer and fewer Americans as wages stay depressed, and jobs remain scarce. Blaming the victim is about the fastest way to convince the poor that the rich have no interest in good faith negotiation with the working class, and that the system is and will continue to remain rigged. Lcpl_Dunno: All of this is a pretty ridiculous set of assertions.
nmrsnr: When defending the richest Americans, try not to have a comically villainous mustache.[www.washingtonpost.com image 114x80]
A Cave Geek: llortcM_yllort: MrBallou: "The Congressional Budget Office examined income trends for the past three decades. It found sizable gains for all income groups."Was he hoping nobody clicked the link? It says nothing about the past three decades, but does have this:[www.cbo.gov image 600x403]"As a result of the uneven growth from 2009 to 2010, the share of income for the top 1 percent increased by 1.6 percentage points, and the share for the middle three quintiles taken together fell by 1.3 percentage points. "The actual report (which can be found in the sidebar) does show an increase in after tax income over the last three decades for the bottom quintile./Fun Fact: Chrome spellcheck doesn't think quintile is a word.DNRTFA, but is that adjusted for inflation?
ikanreed: whistleridge: Flawed premise: rich people are in fact a big part of the reason poor people are poor. If you believe otherwise, I have a bridge to sell you; send me an email and we'll close this deal.Well, it's not so much that it's not true, as it is unprovable.
abb3w: vpb: Yes, it's a consequence of wealthy people having too much control and little people not having enough.It's not so much "control", as the allocation of social costs leaving the wealthy with disproportionately large discretionary incomes and the poor disproportionately small discretionary incomes. Though I suppose that can be argued to lead back to increased ability of the rich to spend money in politics towards increased social control by the rich as well as increasing that disproportion.
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