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(Aero-News Newwork)   Hey General, what do you want us to do with these brand new C-27 cargo planes? H-m-m, ya' know, we really don't have a practical use for them - Just send 'em straight to the aircraft bone yard in Arizona   (aero-news.net) divider line 140
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2014-02-03 09:58:03 AM  
It's a bit more complicated than TFA lets on.
Originally, the Army wanted them for special operations missions, but the Air Force threw a hissy fit because they would lose out on doing all of the flying for the Army as it the case now.  So, the AF got the planes, but didn't -really- want them, they just didn't want the Army to have them.

Anyway, as indicated elsewhere, they are going to end up mostly with the Coast Guard, which does need them to replace some older C-130 models and the C-27 fits their mission pretty well. They won't end up scrapped, which is the rage TFA is trying to generate.
 
2014-02-03 09:59:12 AM  
My bro in law retired as a major in the the Air Force a number of years ago. He was nearly run out of the service for calling his superior officer out for egregious wasteful spending like this. It's probably rampant in the service and even more so in congress.

You tax dollars at work.
 
2014-02-03 10:00:07 AM  

way south: Do you suppose they'll want old planes for their next war, or brand new planes?
I bet money it'll be the latter.


They'll still be brand new planes.  They won't have any time on the airframes or engines, which is how you measure the age of an airplane, not the chronological age.

It's like buying a new car and putting it in a garage for a decade.  It's still a new car.  Sure, you'll want to change the fluids and maybe the tires, but that's all it would take to make it show-room new.  Same thing here:  The dry desert helps preserve the aircraft in new condition.

Plus, as I pointed out, it takes *TIME* to ramp up production for aircraft (or anything else, for that matter).  If you are set up to crank out an airplane a week, you can't just start cranking out an airplane a day immediately.  You need to hire more workers, get more tooling, more factory space, etc.

That's where this sort of thing can be a help:  It would probably only take at most a day to get one of those mothballed aircraft ready in a national emergency.  Change the fluids, maybe the tires, check out the electronics and controls, and away you go.  Get a few teams of mechanics and flight crews, and you could have them ready pretty quickly.
 
2014-02-03 10:00:24 AM  
Question: how likely is it that these planes are assembled to a substandard condition - either parts, labor, or QA.

How many of them have valuable parts removed once they reach the bone yard, and the parts returned to the production for the next plane?
No one will ever know, huh?

You can bank on it.
 
2014-02-03 10:00:29 AM  

dittybopper: Stupid, but on the bright side, if we even find ourselves in a situation where we're going to need a shiat-load of cargo aircraft in a hurry (like a major war), we'll have enough until production ramps up.

Of course, it's not the military's fault:  Blame the politicians who use military funding to get jobs for their districts, essentially purchasing votes.


It isn't as stupid as it sounds.  Boneyard is a little bit of a misnomer.  Mothball ≠ scrapping.  The place stores, pull parts, and scraps planes, but that depends on the age and condition of the plane.  A new plane will simply be mothball to keep it in good condition until the get the orders to get it flight ready again.  Overspending, sure it is, but it isn't wasteful to properly store them until a plan to use them is made.

Like in wars past, (Korea, Vietnam) when troops were ordered to fight, the boneyards got busy recommissioning the old stuff to handle the new fights.  Case in point, the USS Yorktown.  Built in WWII to handle propeller planes, later got a new flight deck and handled jets.  The USS Yorktown fought in WWII, Korea and Vietnam.
 
2014-02-03 10:00:57 AM  
It's a crap plane.  As the FTA says, the C-130 is a bigger, more capable and proven plane that costs less than the C-27s. I thought this particular purchase was going to be used to replace the Spooky gunships.  I guess AFSOC will have to make do with what they have, which probably serves them better in the long run anyway.
 
2014-02-03 10:02:47 AM  
Lawmakers take money from corporations and legislate accordingly.
 
2014-02-03 10:05:47 AM  

Billy Bathsalt: In that case, we should probably cut food stamps some more.


Don't forget ACORN. We should totally defund those guys.
 
2014-02-03 10:06:14 AM  

lack of warmth: dittybopper: Stupid, but on the bright side, if we even find ourselves in a situation where we're going to need a shiat-load of cargo aircraft in a hurry (like a major war), we'll have enough until production ramps up.

Of course, it's not the military's fault:  Blame the politicians who use military funding to get jobs for their districts, essentially purchasing votes.

It isn't as stupid as it sounds.  Boneyard is a little bit of a misnomer.  Mothball ≠ scrapping.  The place stores, pull parts, and scraps planes, but that depends on the age and condition of the plane.  A new plane will simply be mothball to keep it in good condition until the get the orders to get it flight ready again.  Overspending, sure it is, but it isn't wasteful to properly store them until a plan to use them is made.

Like in wars past, (Korea, Vietnam) when troops were ordered to fight, the boneyards got busy recommissioning the old stuff to handle the new fights.  Case in point, the USS Yorktown.  Built in WWII to handle propeller planes, later got a new flight deck and handled jets.  The USS Yorktown fought in WWII, Korea and Vietnam.


Maybe you missed the part that I bolded above.
 
2014-02-03 10:11:14 AM  

HAMMERTOE: FTFA: "An Air Force spokesman said the program was "too near completion" to be able to terminate the program in a way that does not cost the taxpayers more than building the airplanes and sending them immediately to the boneyard."

Could there be any better indication of how wasteful and self-serving government has become, that they can't just shut down a wasteful program. Even better, according to the article, 21 of these planes cost $567 million, which equals $21 million per plane, yet, "the C-130 can do everything the C-27J can at nearly $100 million less per airplane." This means that Lockheed is willing to pay us $79 million apiece for flying their planes, a real deal, no matter how you slice it.


To ANYONE who has had the displeasure of working with the US government...this story is "same shiat, different day".

The US Government has become so large that they honestly can't manage it anymore.  And please note...this is not a political statement...the size of the US govt has grown massively with leadership from both sides of the aisle on a consistent basis...so it's not the GOP or the Libs fault...they've both done it.

You just can't have a combination of archaic, complex and bewildering org levels, structures, titles, pay grades and union-like work rules AND try to do everything that the US government tries to do.  NO ONE can pull that off...especially when just about every 8 years you get a completely different set of leadership appointed by the current administration who wants to come in and "clean house" and "start anew" (can you tell I've heard that BS line before)?

This doesn't just apply to the US govt, it applies to ANY large organization...it doesn't work.

I actually saw a few govt groups (I work with the DOL the most) start to get their head out of their ass towards the end of 2008 because they had been in their jobs for multiple years, they became smarter about navigating through red tape and bureaucratic BS and the various agencies, departments and committees started to figure our roles and responsibilities through trial and error...then you get a new President from the other side of the aisle and Presto...in months everything was back to square one because the new DOL leadership wanted to blow it all up and "start fresh".

And again...this isn't political...the EXACT same thing would have happened if the Libs were in power and the GOP had come in.  Until our govt start to subscribe to the "core competency" theory...nothing is going to change.  NO ONE can a good organization in this setting...it's not possible.
 
2014-02-03 10:12:07 AM  
they should just leave the planes in poor neighborhoods and let people srcap them for extra spending money.
 
2014-02-03 10:16:19 AM  

Mikey1969: Well, in the first place, it says that they were originally ordered in 2007, and sequestration forced their mission to be reconsidered. This isn't WalMart, they couldn't just get to the Cargo Plane Checkout and say ' I don't want these, you'll need to put them in the GoBacks cart.'. The planes were ordered, they take awhile to be built, and the contract stipulates they get delivered.

In the second place, the "boneyard" has all kinds of planes ready to go in almost no time. Fill up fluid reservoirs, drop engines in on some, remove engine covers on others, throw tires on. A lot of the planes out there are just waiting to be made ready, they aren't "scrapped" in any way, so it's the perfect place to store planes that aren't going to currently get used.



I think the point is more, we should have better ways to spend $500 million than to purchase planes that will go straight into storage in case we can think of a reason to use them in the future.

The planes had originally been acquired because of their ability to operate from unimproved runways. But sequestration forced the Air Force to re-think the airplane's mission, and it determined that they were not a necessity, according to an analyst with the Project for Government Oversight.

So they realized later $500 million worth of planes were not a necessity?  Why the fark did they order them in the first place?  This is the problem with Department of Defense spending, they get to spend like drunken sailors.  It's not what do you need, it's what do you want... and okay now that you got all that you want, what else can you imagine you might possibly want?

Fark the sequestration, why would we spend like that even if we were running an enormous surplus?
 
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2014-02-03 10:16:36 AM  
JustGetItRight:

FWIW, if they're going to be used to replace 30-40+ year old firefighting air tankers, then the wrangling was worth it.  Those pilots won't know how to act with a plane that isn't older than the pilots (or in some cases the fathers of the pilots).


Not that much.  That does nothing to solve the problem of politicians serving the interests of businesses instead of their constituents.

The fact that they might end up not being wasted is simply good fortune.  It doesn't mean that it was a logical use of taxpayer money.
 
2014-02-03 10:18:31 AM  
There is waste, but there are also things that need continuous funding, or they loop wildly out of control.  However, we're performing experiments on what happens when bridges aren't maintained.  Articles about the results will likely be popping up on Fark.

Additionally, we're performing an experiment on how poor people with no jobs, no money and no food stamps modify their lifestyles when food is removed from the equation.  Some will get money using leverage provided by handguns, some will explore the "starving to death" lifestyle, and ten years from now, some survivors will have a work ethic and be working at low wage jobs, supplemented by selling blood plasma and/or stolen credit card numbers.  We've already done a few test experiments on cutting corporate welfare, and it turns out that Congress doesn't like the "reduced campaign contributions" effect, so we're continuing with various acquisitions programs.
 
2014-02-03 10:18:41 AM  

HAMMERTOE: FTFA: "An Air Force spokesman said the program was "too near completion" to be able to terminate the program in a way that does not cost the taxpayers more than building the airplanes and sending them immediately to the boneyard."

Could there be any better indication of how wasteful and self-serving government has become, that they can't just shut down a wasteful program. Even better, according to the article, 21 of these planes cost $567 million, which equals $21 million per plane, yet, "the C-130 can do everything the C-27J can at nearly $100 million less per airplane." This means that Lockheed is willing to pay us $79 million apiece for flying their planes, a real deal, no matter how you slice it.


RTFA.  The planes were ordered almost 7 years ago.  That means pretty much all of the $567 million has already been spent.  And believe it or not, shutting down a production line with material in the queue has a non-zero cost.  You don't just drop everything and lock the door behind you.  TFA points out that the early shutdown cost would exceed the cost of finishing the contracted run.
 
2014-02-03 10:19:38 AM  
Use them for fighting forest fires. It's pretty dry out West.
 
2014-02-03 10:20:07 AM  

Salmon: Sell them to rich Doomsday Preppers; those would make great flying bunkers.


"Moving foxholes attract attention."
-Bill Mauldin
 
2014-02-03 10:20:24 AM  

dittybopper: FatherChaos: No wonder our youth is borderline potato.  If we switched military spending with education, we'd have the smartest combat force in existence.

1. We already do:   Education spending in the US is 5.5% of GDP, whereas defense spending is only 4.4% of GDP.

2. We already do have the smartest combat force in existence.


If they were really smart they wouldn't have signed on to the military.
 
2014-02-03 10:24:16 AM  
 
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2014-02-03 10:25:54 AM  

TV's Vinnie: Clearly we need to start culling the herd of defense workers. They are a threat to national security.


They are, that's what Eisenhower was talking about when he warned of the military industrial complex.

I know you were trying to set up a straw man, but they do need to be brought under control so they exist for our benefit rather than the other way around.
 
2014-02-03 10:25:54 AM  

OnlyM3: m00


dittybopper: Of course, it's not the military's fault: Blame the politicians who use military funding to get jobs for their districts, essentially purchasing votes.

$567 million for 800 jobs! what a deal!
But obama's 2 Billion for a few GM jobs was a wise investment.

/// hypocrites.


Ah yes, the tried-and-true "But MoOOom!  He started first!" argument.  That one's a real winner.
 
Rat
2014-02-03 10:31:29 AM  
Now, Airborne daddy can take a little trip anytime he wants!

™ I know, not a C-130 but I'm on a roll here
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2014-02-03 10:31:49 AM  
Mikey1969:
Whoa whoa whoa.  This is fark.  What are you doing using logic around these parts?  We only have room for outrage here.

Sorry, you're right... Wrong website. My bad.


It's kind of amazing how strong that knee jerk reaction can be when it comes to the right wing and anything remotely military.

This is precisely the sort of waste that conservatives claim to hate, but if it's anything to do with weapons or wars it's can't be wrong.
 
2014-02-03 10:39:15 AM  
WTF? We can't think of anything to do with these planes? There must be someone we can invade. Did the world run out of brown people?
 
2014-02-03 10:44:08 AM  

WhyteRaven74: This is what happens when you don't listen to the general telling the congressional committee "We don't need that. We don't even want it.". The Army is having the same issue with tanks, it's getting a whole crapload of tanks it neither needs nor wants.



Problem is, Air Force Generals aren't interested in doing work for the Army, although that is their job.  But then, they also built their empire around being the operators of fixed wing combat airplanes for the Army. So on one hand they argue that the Army shouldn't fly their own airlift, then on the other hand they don't want to support that same job because the planes aren't shiny, sexy and supersonic.   Similar reason they have been trying to get rid of the A-10 almost since it was fielded. 

No, the generals aren't always the final word on what they need, when they have to do a job they don't want to. . But leaving it to congress ends up with new planes going to the desert when sequester gets mixed in.
 
2014-02-03 10:48:10 AM  

WhiskeyBoy: The difference is that money was paid back. So, not really the same thing.


It was paid back using loans from the Fed. SO basically, the original bailout was paid back with more government money. But hey, don't let that stop you.
 
2014-02-03 10:51:14 AM  
FTA:   President Barak Obama said during a campaign stop in Mansfield during the last election cycle said he promised to "find a mission" for the base there, which led to the transfer of several C-130 airplanes to Ohio.

Not being able to spell the fake President's Kenyan/Muslim name correctly in his sixth year in office is understandable.  He should have changed it to George or something more USA-ish when he dummied up his birff certtimacate to sneak into to the country over the fence surrounding Hawaii.

/jk, no troll, but really?

//yeah, I know barak is an other form of the spelling of the name.  It's also the Hungarian word for a brand of apricot brandy.
 
2014-02-03 10:59:27 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: dittybopper: FatherChaos: No wonder our youth is borderline potato.  If we switched military spending with education, we'd have the smartest combat force in existence.

1. We already do:   Education spending in the US is 5.5% of GDP, whereas defense spending is only 4.4% of GDP.

2. We already do have the smartest combat force in existence.

If they were really smart they wouldn't have signed on to the military.


As opposed to doing what?  Getting eyebrows deep in non-dischargeable debt for a degree in Art History, then spending the next 20 years paying it off instead of saving for a house or putting it away for retirement?

Never mistake education with intelligence.  The two are only loosely correlated, at best.
 
2014-02-03 11:03:12 AM  

croesius: Mikey1969: Well, in the first place, it says that they were originally ordered in 2007, and sequestration forced their mission to be reconsidered. This isn't WalMart, they couldn't just get to the Cargo Plane Checkout and say ' I don't want these, you'll need to put them in the GoBacks cart.'. The planes were ordered, they take awhile to be built, and the contract stipulates they get delivered.

But they are still, at this moment, making more of them. It's not that they began the process, and once it was done had extra. They are still building the planes, knowing exactly where they will go.

"But the C-27J Spartans are parked in the desert, and more are being built and delivered into storage. An Air Force spokesman said the program was "too near completion" to be able to terminate the program in a way that does not cost the taxpayers more than building the airplanes and sending them immediately to the boneyard. "

I'm wondering how it would cost us more to stop building them, than to build them.


Contracts with defense contractors have clauses that require the government to pay them for the shutdown. These programs have a lot of money tied up in parts, tooling, drawings, engineering changes, etc. Not all of which has been billed out yet. The contractor has to make lists of all this equipment and provide it to the government so they can decide how to dispose of it. Also, they get to charge a certain amount for fees, profit, and overhead to support the people and infrastructure to shut it down. This might include the government renting space to consolidate inventory and tooling, etc.

It will most likely take 5 - 10 years (at least) to fully account for everything in the FCS program and make final payments to contractors.
 
2014-02-03 11:13:49 AM  

Nick Nostril: My bro in law retired as a major in the the Air Force a number of years ago. He was nearly run out of the service for calling his superior officer out for egregious wasteful spending like this. It's probably rampant in the service and even more so in congress.

You tax dollars at work.


he should have done like one guy in a unit i was in(that had similar issues with accountability and carelessness) did.

just keep copies of all the purchase orders, receipts, etc, and quietly forward them on to the press or auditing office after a year or two.

in this guy's case, he sent one copy off to each of the main budget offices for the district, area, and fleet, with a note that the press was going to receive copies of the same package in a month.

it was kind of scary stealthy, but all of a sudden we had a 75% new command staff and a new CO in three weeks.

/the enlisted members who were part of it got the book thrown at them.
//the officers for the most part got to retire with no blemishes or loss of pension.
 
2014-02-03 11:18:46 AM  

lilbjorn: But by all means, GOP, please save 0.05% of this wasted money by cutting the NPR budget.


Is it your ignorant assertion that liberal politicians never fight over DOD funds for their district?
 
2014-02-03 11:21:32 AM  

Nick Nostril: My bro in law retired as a major in the the Air Force a number of years ago. He was nearly run out of the service for calling his superior officer out for egregious wasteful spending like this. It's probably rampant in the service and even more so in congress.

You tax dollars at work.


Was this your brother-in-law?

damnstraightpolitics.com
 
2014-02-03 11:23:16 AM  

NutWrench: I thought conservatives hated welfare programs. All that wasted money.


No... they dont like just handing money to some schmuck.

Paying someone to build something is ok.
 
2014-02-03 11:24:35 AM  
C-27's getting mothballed, MC-12's getting cut, F-35's still being built, new long range bomber being developed, JSTARS being replaced....

Lotta ins, lotta outs, lotta what-have-yous.
 
2014-02-03 11:25:13 AM  

Satanic_Hamster: Right wing troll accounts:
Please remember this article next time you biatch about wasted government spending and the DANGERS of cutting military spending.


Nobody could out-troll that one....
 
2014-02-03 11:32:48 AM  

vpb: They have already served their purpose, so it doesn't matter what happens to them now.

All American taxpayers should be grateful they were allowed to have a role in such a great achievement.


The C-27J are made by the Italian company Alenia Aeronautica, not LMCO.
 
2014-02-03 11:33:15 AM  
"But sequestration forced the Air Force to re-think the airplane's mission,"
" the program was "too near completion" to be able to terminate the program in a way that does not cost the taxpayers more than building the airplanes and sending them immediately to the boneyard. "



But, hey, those annoying little facts won't stop all the whiners.  Sometimes the world is not neat and tidy.
 
2014-02-03 11:33:29 AM  

dittybopper: Never mistake education with intelligence. The two are only loosely correlated, at best.



Yeah. Look at me: I've got tons of education and...um...well, shiat.
 
2014-02-03 11:38:13 AM  
Good thinking on someone's part ! Park them all in the same area so when the modifications / upgrades come out they won't have to travel all over the world to get them completed. Smart !
 
2014-02-03 11:44:44 AM  
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Going to the Bone  Zone!
 
2014-02-03 11:47:58 AM  

give me doughnuts: dittybopper: Never mistake education with intelligence. The two are only loosely correlated, at best.


Yeah. Look at me: I've got tons of education and...um...well, shiat.


Actually, formal, credentialed education best measures persistence and the ability to work through a long process to achieve a distant goal.

I've known plenty of people with some august credentials that were no better than average intelligence.

This doesn't necessarily apply to those with degrees in the hard sciences and things like engineering, btw.
 
2014-02-03 11:58:24 AM  

MyRandomName: lilbjorn: But by all means, GOP, please save 0.05% of this wasted money by cutting the NPR budget.

Is it your ignorant assertion that liberal politicians never fight over DOD funds for their district?


It was management's assertion at the place I used to work, that a democrat controlled government was generally better for business... After 20 years there I found myself agreing with them.
 
2014-02-03 12:03:47 PM  
IAAB (I am a buyer) and we have 4 ways to track replenishment starting before a PO is cut. The computer can tell us to buy something based on preset stocking requirements. We can override the system and tell it to buy something beyond but our ID and the date the override happens is recorded. The person who releases the PO to the supplier is recorded and anyone who edits said PO after the fact is also recorded. Then there's receiving.. so really 5 ways.

Who the hell creates an order for such a large amount of hardware and then lets it ride without finding out if they really wanted it in the first place? Anyone from the above list should be fired. Let them be held accountable.

/you want to fix gov't spending, get rid of these people.
 
2014-02-03 12:08:17 PM  
collapse.com
 
2014-02-03 12:14:53 PM  

muchgoodmojo: MyRandomName: lilbjorn: But by all means, GOP, please save 0.05% of this wasted money by cutting the NPR budget.

Is it your ignorant assertion that liberal politicians never fight over DOD funds for their district?

It was management's assertion at the place I used to work, that a democrat controlled government was generally better for business... After 20 years there I found myself agreeing with them.


This is true, as long as your are in a LARGE corporation that has the proper lobbyist and has paid the proper "campaign donation" such that you become a crony.  Check out GE's tax record.  As soon as the Democrats came to power in congress GE's taxes went to zero.  If however, you are an innovative mid sized company your pretty much screwed by the Democrats regulation and tax structure.  They will protect the large corporations that play the game, and actively screw over any one outside.
The sad part is that we could used those 800 workers to build 50 brand new A-10's for the price of these useless Italian POS's.  Such is the main problem with central command economies.
 
2014-02-03 12:16:40 PM  
Maybe some ex-lobbyist/"job creator" can start an airplane demolition company and sell and ship the materials back to Ohio, where they can build more planes.
 
2014-02-03 12:18:47 PM  

WhiskeyBoy: OnlyM3: m00


dittybopper: Of course, it's not the military's fault: Blame the politicians who use military funding to get jobs for their districts, essentially purchasing votes.

$567 million for 800 jobs! what a deal!
But obama's 2 Billion for a few GM jobs was a wise investment.

/// hypocrites.


The difference is that money was paid back.  So, not really the same thing.


No it wasn't. We took a bath.
 
2014-02-03 12:19:33 PM  

flak attack: Mikey1969: Well, in the first place, it says that they were originally ordered in 2007, and sequestration forced their mission to be reconsidered. This isn't WalMart, they couldn't just get to the Cargo Plane Checkout and say ' I don't want these, you'll need to put them in the GoBacks cart.'. The planes were ordered, they take awhile to be built, and the contract stipulates they get delivered.

In the second place, the "boneyard" has all kinds of planes ready to go in almost no time. Fill up fluid reservoirs, drop engines in on some, remove engine covers on others, throw tires on. A lot of the planes out there are just waiting to be made ready, they aren't "scrapped" in any way, so it's the perfect place to store planes that aren't going to currently get used.

Whoa whoa whoa.  This is fark.  What are you doing using logic around these parts?  We only have room for outrage here.


Come on fellas lets get him!
 
2014-02-03 12:21:53 PM  

buzzcut73: It's a bit more complicated than TFA lets on.
Originally, the Army wanted them for special operations missions, but the Air Force threw a hissy fit because they would lose out on doing all of the flying for the Army as it the case now.  So, the AF got the planes, but didn't -really- want them, they just didn't want the Army to have them.

Anyway, as indicated elsewhere, they are going to end up mostly with the Coast Guard, which does need them to replace some older C-130 models and the C-27 fits their mission pretty well. They won't end up scrapped, which is the rage TFA is trying to generate.


If they end up with the Coast Guard, those planes will still be flying 50 years from now. Coasties know how to keep old stuff operational because that's often all they have to work with.
 
2014-02-03 12:24:54 PM  
Sometimes I wonder how much of our $700 billion defense budget really goes into 'actual' military procurements and true expenses and how much of it is just pork!

Actually on 2nd thoughts no I don't want to know! It'll probably be a depressing figure for the taxpayers.
 
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