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(The Raw Story)   Senior Christie aide resigns the day before answering state subpoena on bridge scandal. Just a coincidence, nothing to see here, move along, hey, how about those Seahawks?   (rawstory.com) divider line 93
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2014-02-03 09:44:59 AM  
IANAL, but I doubt that makes a difference on whether she can avoid the subpoena or not.
 
2014-02-03 10:04:48 AM  

Somacandra: IANAL, but I doubt that makes a difference on whether she can avoid the subpoena or not.


Hahaha no.

It just means they won't fire her after she testifies.
 
2014-02-03 10:05:35 AM  

Somacandra: IANAL


Everytime I see this acronym used, my mind automatically changes it into "I anal..."

And then I need brain bleach.
 
2014-02-03 10:08:48 AM  
Seems like it's just a matter of time before the canaries start singing...
 
2014-02-03 10:10:59 AM  

the_vegetarian_cannibal: Somacandra: IANAL

Everytime I see this acronym used, my mind automatically changes it into "I anal..."

And then I need brain bleach.


bleached anus?
 
2014-02-03 10:13:45 AM  

keylock71: Seems like it's just a matter of time before the canaries start singing...


Canary's girls?

If so whose hands are all over it?
 
2014-02-03 10:18:44 AM  

the_vegetarian_cannibal: Somacandra: IANAL

Everytime I see this acronym used, my mind automatically changes it into "I anal..."

And then I need brain bleach.


For me, it becomes "iANAL® ", which must be the worst Apple product ever.
 
2014-02-03 10:18:54 AM  

Somacandra: IANAL, but I doubt that makes a difference on whether she can avoid the subpoena or not.


Just forces the Feds to file more paperwork to subpoena them directly rather than their office
 
2014-02-03 10:23:30 AM  

Aquapope: For me, it becomes "iANAL® ", which must be the worst Apple product ever.


Or the best?
 
2014-02-03 10:25:24 AM  
Getting to be a pretty long list of people Christie's gonna have to pay off to keep quiet.
 
2014-02-03 10:32:21 AM  
I'm guessing that resigning allowed for a severance package that is effectively a legal way to make a payoff to keep quiet.
 
2014-02-03 10:32:39 AM  

Aquapope: For me, it becomes "iANAL® ", which must be the worst Apple product ever.


Or just the most overpriced anal ever.
 
2014-02-03 10:34:38 AM  

Obama's Reptiloid Master: Somacandra: IANAL, but I doubt that makes a difference on whether she can avoid the subpoena or not.

Hahaha no.

It just means they won't fire her after she testifies.


Actually, that worked for Bush the Lesser.
 
m00
2014-02-03 10:35:13 AM  

Three Crooked Squirrels: Aquapope: For me, it becomes "iANAL® ", which must be the worst Apple product ever.

Or the best?


I hear it has a shiatty user experience.
 
2014-02-03 10:38:29 AM  

m00: Three Crooked Squirrels: Aquapope: For me, it becomes "iANAL® ", which must be the worst Apple product ever.

Or the best?

I hear it has a shiatty user experience.


I'll be glad when they finally release the iANAL®  Nano!  The full-size version doesn't fit my... um...hand.
 
2014-02-03 10:39:17 AM  

Aquapope: the_vegetarian_cannibal: Somacandra: IANAL

Everytime I see this acronym used, my mind automatically changes it into "I anal..."

And then I need brain bleach.

For me, it becomes "iANAL® ", which must be the worst Apple product ever.


img.fark.net
 
2014-02-03 10:41:00 AM  

Fantasta Potamus: I'm guessing that resigning allowed for a severance package that is effectively a legal way to make a payoff to keep quiet.




You don't get a severance package for quitting your job.
 
2014-02-03 10:42:49 AM  

SpectroBoy: Aquapope: For me, it becomes "iANAL® ", which must be the worst Apple product ever.

Or just the most overpriced anal ever.


And they'll release a new one before you're finished.
 
2014-02-03 10:43:18 AM  

hammettman: Getting to be a pretty long list of people Christie's gonna have to pay off to keep quiet.


Oh, I'm sure he's got plenty of Sandy aid money stashed away in some slush fund just for times like these.
 
2014-02-03 10:46:11 AM  

Darth_Lukecash: Fantasta Potamus: I'm guessing that resigning allowed for a severance package that is effectively a legal way to make a payoff to keep quiet.



You don't get a severance package for quitting your job.


Sure you can. I've seen it plenty of times, but maybe there is a different word than "severance" when someone resigns but is the same idea.
 
2014-02-03 10:47:04 AM  

Somacandra: IANAL, but I doubt that makes a difference on whether she can avoid the subpoena or not.


I'm not a lawyer either, but as I recall one of the reasons Nixon resigned was that he could better protect the White House recordings as a private citizen -- successfully. Thus, it seems likely there are at least some cases associated which at least would allow buying another day or two for a judge to laugh the argument out of court without major hazard of sanctions for the attorney filing the argument.
 
2014-02-03 10:50:23 AM  

Fantasta Potamus: Darth_Lukecash: Fantasta Potamus: I'm guessing that resigning allowed for a severance package that is effectively a legal way to make a payoff to keep quiet.

You don't get a severance package for quitting your job.

Sure you can. I've seen it plenty of times, but maybe there is a different word than "severance" when someone resigns but is the same idea.




The only thing you get would be your retirement 401K money and Vacation Time due to you.
 
2014-02-03 10:51:21 AM  

Aquapope: the_vegetarian_cannibal: Somacandra: IANAL

Everytime I see this acronym used, my mind automatically changes it into "I anal..."

And then I need brain bleach.

For me, it becomes "iANAL® ", which must be the worst Apple product ever.


Or maybe just the BEST product ever!!!
 
m00
2014-02-03 10:51:53 AM  

Darth_Lukecash: You don't get a severance package for quitting your job.


You can often negotiate something. Generally it's like "I'm quitting. Employee handbook says you need a 3 month notice. So I tell you what, I'll be willing to hang around for 3 more weeks and finish this project but only if you pay me 3 more months salary. Otherwise I'll happily goldbrick and surf the web for 3 months and not finish what this project. Your call."
 
2014-02-03 11:00:39 AM  

SpectroBoy: Or just the most overpriced anal ever.


Trust me, when it comes to anal you want the kind of clean, sleek design Apple specializes in.
 
2014-02-03 11:00:39 AM  

hammettman: Getting to be a pretty long list of people Christie's gonna have to pay off to keep quiet.


When this scandal first surfaced, I rolled my eyes after the started calling it "Bridgegate." Gee that's original, I thought. But the more I look at it, the more and more this whole thing is looking exactly like Watergate (the main difference being technology with emails replacing audiotapes). You have a guy who was basically guaranteed a landslide reelection on a silver platter. He barely even had to campaign to waltz back into office. And yet he was petty and obsessed enough to get his minions to pull stupid shiat like this just to screw over his opponents a little bit more even though it was unnecessary to ensure his victory. The really funny part is just how pitiful and small potatoes the crime his underlings committed actually was, especially in the context of corrupt New Jersey politics. In a state where politicians are regularly getting arrested for kickbacks, bank fraud, international money-laundering, and even the occasional organ trafficking, Christie's career might be finished by blocking a few lanes of traffic to get back at a small-time mayor that snubbed him.

"It's not the crime, it's the coverup" has never been more apt.
 
2014-02-03 11:02:13 AM  

the_vegetarian_cannibal: Somacandra: IANAL

Everytime I see this acronym used, my mind automatically changes it into "I anal..."

And then I need brain bleach.


Glad that I'm not the only one.
 
2014-02-03 11:03:35 AM  

KellyX: Aquapope: the_vegetarian_cannibal: Somacandra: IANAL

Everytime I see this acronym used, my mind automatically changes it into "I anal..."

And then I need brain bleach.

For me, it becomes "iANAL® ", which must be the worst Apple product ever.

Or maybe just the BEST product ever!!!


GIS for iAnal:

www.angryblackladychronicles.com
 
2014-02-03 11:05:15 AM  

Darth_Lukecash: Fantasta Potamus: Darth_Lukecash: Fantasta Potamus: I'm guessing that resigning allowed for a severance package that is effectively a legal way to make a payoff to keep quiet.

You don't get a severance package for quitting your job.

Sure you can. I've seen it plenty of times, but maybe there is a different word than "severance" when someone resigns but is the same idea.



The only thing you get would be your retirement 401K money and Vacation Time due to you.


I believe you can negotiate in certain benefits, especially if they want you to quit but don't have a real reason to fire you.

Also they could go the consultant route and since you quit, they pay you as a "consultant" to help out after you left. The consultant rate being way higher pay rate than you were getting.
 
2014-02-03 11:10:40 AM  
You all know what this means, don't you? A Ryan/Paul ticket in 2016.
 
2014-02-03 11:16:00 AM  

Mister Buttons: Aquapope: the_vegetarian_cannibal: Somacandra: IANAL

Everytime I see this acronym used, my mind automatically changes it into "I anal..."

And then I need brain bleach.

For me, it becomes "iANAL® ", which must be the worst Apple product ever.

[img.fark.net image 255x197]


pegged by siri
 
2014-02-03 11:19:18 AM  

Fantasta Potamus: Darth_Lukecash: Fantasta Potamus: Darth_Lukecash: Fantasta Potamus: I'm guessing that resigning allowed for a severance package that is effectively a legal way to make a payoff to keep quiet.

You don't get a severance package for quitting your job.

Sure you can. I've seen it plenty of times, but maybe there is a different word than "severance" when someone resigns but is the same idea.

The only thing you get would be your retirement 401K money and Vacation Time due to you.

I believe you can negotiate in certain benefits, especially if they want you to quit but don't have a real reason to fire you.

Also they could go the consultant route and since you quit, they pay you as a "consultant" to help out after you left. The consultant rate being way higher pay rate than you were getting.




Or, more realistically: "you're quitting : fine there's the door. We'll send you a check". They don't fire you when you quit.

The only exception to that is a job that has a guaranteed length of employment for certain amounts of money.

Otherwise I can't imagine that people can go up to their bosses and says: "I'm quitting- give me more money"

And since it's a state job- less so.
 
2014-02-03 11:27:33 AM  
I guess if they can't find a real scandal, they somehow have to try and make this stick.  Kind of reminds me of how the pubs cant let Benghazi go.   Besides, if the public didn't care about the IRS fiasco, which was a real scandal and a direct violation of the very first amendment of the United States, I don't see anyone besides those way too wrapped up in partisan politics caring about this.
 
2014-02-03 11:28:00 AM  
the_vegetarian_cannibal:
When this scandal first surfaced, I rolled my eyes after the started calling it "Bridgegate." Gee that's original, I thought. But the more I look at it, the more and more this whole thing is looking exactly like Watergate (the main difference being technology with emails replacing audiotapes). You have a guy who was basically guaranteed a landslide reelection on a silver platter. He barely even had to campaign to waltz back into office. And yet he was petty and obsessed enough to get his minions to pull stupid shiat like this just to screw over his opponents a little bit more even though it was unnecessary to ensure his victory. The really funny part is just how pitiful and small potatoes the crime his underlings committed actually was, especially in the context of corrupt New Jersey politics. In a state where politicians are regularly getting arrested for kickbacks, bank fraud, international money-laundering, and even the occasional organ trafficking, Christie's career might be finished by blocking a few lanes of traffic to get back at a small-time mayor that snubbed him.

"It's not the crime, it's the coverup" has never been more apt.


All this ^^^^ . Thank you for saving me a lot of typing.
 
2014-02-03 11:29:25 AM  

The Why Not Guy: SpectroBoy: Or just the most overpriced anal ever.

Trust me, when it comes to anal you want the kind of clean, sleek design Apple specializes in.


Stink Different
 
2014-02-03 11:32:02 AM  

Pumpernickel bread: Besides, if the public didn't care about the IRS fiasco, which was a real scandal


Thanks Fox News for keeping this potato infromed.
 
2014-02-03 11:33:05 AM  

Pumpernickel bread: I guess if they can't find a real scandal, they somehow have to try and make this stick.  Kind of reminds me of how the pubs cant let Benghazi go.   Besides, if the public didn't care about the IRS fiasco, which was a real scandal and a direct violation of the very first amendment of the United States, I don't see anyone besides those way too wrapped up in partisan politics caring about this.




There was no scandal. It turned out that same group of agents denied more liberals group request for tax exemption. You can't run a non profit with a political bias for tax purposes.
 
2014-02-03 11:33:24 AM  

Pumpernickel bread: I guess if they can't find a real scandal, they somehow have to try and make this stick.  Kind of reminds me of how the pubs cant let Benghazi go.   Besides, if the public didn't care about the IRS fiasco, which was a real scandal and a direct violation of the very first amendment of the United States, I don't see anyone besides those way too wrapped up in partisan politics caring about this.


How so?

Also, I'm glad that you mentioned it. Because for the first time, on O'Reilly, Obama last night grew a pair and straightforward said it, there was no wrong doing whatsoever.
 
2014-02-03 11:33:40 AM  

Pumpernickel bread: I guess if they can't find a real scandal, they somehow have to try and make this stick.  Kind of reminds me of how the pubs cant let Benghazi go.   Besides, if the public didn't care about the IRS fiasco, which was a real scandal and a direct violation of the very first amendment of the United States, I don't see anyone besides those way too wrapped up in partisan politics caring about this.


You mean except for the part where it wasn't, and it turned out they'd also investigated a similar number of Liberal groups, which Issa had conveniently refused to discuss because it didn't fit his narrative, and the reason the IRS investigated such large numbers of both groups was simply due to the massive influx of, you know, folks claiming a special tax status (which requires them to abide by certain rules)?

That IRS 'scandal'?
 
2014-02-03 11:35:10 AM  

the_vegetarian_cannibal: When this scandal first surfaced, I rolled my eyes after the started calling it "Bridgegate." ...  Christie's career might be finished by blocking a few lanes of traffic to get back at a small-time mayor that snubbed him.

"It's not the crime, it's the coverup" has never been more apt.


But that's only apt for bridgegate.  What is becoming clearer as time goes by is Bridgegate isn't an isolated incident, it's indicative of a culture and environment that has been ongoing.  See for instance how Christie decided to distribute Hurrican Sandy funds.
 
2014-02-03 11:36:20 AM  

Aquapope: For me, it becomes "iANAL® ", which must be the worst Apple product ever.


The staff at the Examiner gave it glowing reviews -- Two Fists Up
 
2014-02-03 11:36:40 AM  
i13.photobucket.com
 
2014-02-03 11:36:54 AM  

Somacandra: IANAL, but I doubt that makes a difference on whether she can avoid the subpoena or not.


Obama's Reptiloid Master: Somacandra: IANAL, but I doubt that makes a difference on whether she can avoid the subpoena or not.

Hahaha no.

It just means they won't fire her after she testifies.


yeah IMNAL either but i don't see this as helping her. for one thing she now has to pay her defense. but it does make it easier to rollover on christie and i doubt she could throw him anywhere.
 
2014-02-03 11:38:04 AM  

lennavan: the_vegetarian_cannibal: When this scandal first surfaced, I rolled my eyes after the started calling it "Bridgegate." ...  Christie's career might be finished by blocking a few lanes of traffic to get back at a small-time mayor that snubbed him.

"It's not the crime, it's the coverup" has never been more apt.

But that's only apt for bridgegate.  What is becoming clearer as time goes by is Bridgegate isn't an isolated incident, it's indicative of a culture and environment that has been ongoing.  See for instance how Christie decided to distribute Hurrican Sandy funds.


Funny how something like this would be the straw that broke the camel's back though. As has been said, there's a lot worse going on there.
 
2014-02-03 11:38:46 AM  

Pumpernickel bread: I guess if they can't find a real scandal, they somehow have to try and make this stick.  Kind of reminds me of how the pubs cant let Benghazi go.   Besides, if the public didn't care about the IRS fiasco, which was a real scandal and a direct violation of the very first amendment of the United States, I don't see anyone besides those way too wrapped up in partisan politics caring about this.



It pisses me off that the IRS is allowed by Obama to investigate organizations that claim tax-exempt status. A completely unconstitutional power grab.
 
2014-02-03 11:40:50 AM  
Second best is what you get
'Til you learn to bend the rules
Time respects no person
And what you lift up must fall
They're waiting outside
To claim my crumblin' walls

Saw my picture in the paper
Read the news around my face
And now some people
Don't want to treat me the same

When the walls
Come tumblin' down
When the walls
Come crumblin', crumblin'
When the walls
Come tumblin', tumblin'
Down
 
2014-02-03 11:42:01 AM  

the_vegetarian_cannibal: hammettman: Getting to be a pretty long list of people Christie's gonna have to pay off to keep quiet.

When this scandal first surfaced, I rolled my eyes after the started calling it "Bridgegate." Gee that's original, I thought. But the more I look at it, the more and more this whole thing is looking exactly like Watergate (the main difference being technology with emails replacing audiotapes). You have a guy who was basically guaranteed a landslide reelection on a silver platter. He barely even had to campaign to waltz back into office. And yet he was petty and obsessed enough to get his minions to pull stupid shiat like this just to screw over his opponents a little bit more even though it was unnecessary to ensure his victory. The really funny part is just how pitiful and small potatoes the crime his underlings committed actually was, especially in the context of corrupt New Jersey politics. In a state where politicians are regularly getting arrested for kickbacks, bank fraud, international money-laundering, and even the occasional organ trafficking, Christie's career might be finished by blocking a few lanes of traffic to get back at a small-time mayor that snubbed him.

"It's not the crime, it's the coverup" has never been more apt.


I think there's a couple things at work here.

One, while corruption is not permitted, New Jerseyans (and Americans in general, I think) expect a certain level of corruption on the part of their elected officials, but normally limited to personal enrichment (bribes, kickbacks, cushy deals for jobs, etc.) for official favors. Two, I think Americans expect a certain level of finesse in public corruption, namely reasonably competent planning, reasonably competent execution, low collateral damage, and a reasonable coverup if there even is one. One could even call it "professionalism".

One of the major political scandals over the past few years - probably greater than Bridgegazi - was Rod Blagojevich; even though he was convicted and had to resign in disgrace, it didn't get anywhere near as much attention nationally (and probably would have gotten even less if it hadn't been the newly elected President's Senate seat Blago had tried to sell), and that's because Blago nailed most of the above two points; it was for personal enrichment, and if execution was bungled, it still had zero collateral damage.

Christie, on the other hand, has failed all of the points above. It wasn't for personal enrichment; planning, execution, and coverup were all botched; there was lots of collateral damage. Not very professional at all.
 
2014-02-03 11:43:26 AM  

Aquapope: the_vegetarian_cannibal: Somacandra: IANAL

Everytime I see this acronym used, my mind automatically changes it into "I anal..."

And then I need brain bleach.

For me, it becomes "iANAL® ", which must be the worst Apple product ever.


Ok, second time today I choked on my coffee. Well played.
 
2014-02-03 11:45:21 AM  

the_vegetarian_cannibal: hammettman: Getting to be a pretty long list of people Christie's gonna have to pay off to keep quiet.

When this scandal first surfaced, I rolled my eyes after the started calling it "Bridgegate." Gee that's original, I thought. But the more I look at it, the more and more this whole thing is looking exactly like Watergate (the main difference being technology with emails replacing audiotapes). You have a guy who was basically guaranteed a landslide reelection on a silver platter. He barely even had to campaign to waltz back into office. And yet he was petty and obsessed enough to get his minions to pull stupid shiat like this just to screw over his opponents a little bit more even though it was unnecessary to ensure his victory. The really funny part is just how pitiful and small potatoes the crime his underlings committed actually was, especially in the context of corrupt New Jersey politics. In a state where politicians are regularly getting arrested for kickbacks, bank fraud, international money-laundering, and even the occasional organ trafficking, Christie's career might be finished by blocking a few lanes of traffic to get back at a small-time mayor that snubbed him.

"It's not the crime, it's the coverup" has never been more apt.


Christie is touted as a Republican that can work with the Democrats. Not only was he a governor of NJ which has the Congress in the blue, but he also got a ton of endorsements from Democratic politicians, especially mayors. This story is about what happens to a major that didn't endorsed him. I'd put money that we'll hear (if Christie runs for president) about what it took to get those endorsements from the Dems.
 
2014-02-03 11:47:16 AM  
This is as dumb as right wing idiots saying Petraeus was forced out to keep him from exposing the truth on BENGHAZI!!! Guess what? You still have to testify, even if you quit your job.
 
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