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2014-02-03 07:33:05 AM  
If it was so uncanny, how did they purchase their French-cut green beans and creamed corn?  In jars?
 
2014-02-03 10:37:56 AM  
Fun fact: In multiple cities and multiple bookstores, the one constant is that Philip K. Dick's books are the HARDEST books to get at the used bookstore. I can get ahold of Asimov and Heinlein books from the 40's easier than I can find a used book by Dick. As soonn as they appear on the shelves, they get sold.
 
2014-02-03 10:39:20 AM  
And I tried to watch "The Prophets of Science Fiction". It sucked. It was like it was produced by MTv.
 
2014-02-03 10:43:12 AM  
Robert Crumb illustrated the incident with PKD, the mysterious delivery woman, and his hallucinatory visions.

http://www.openculture.com/2013/08/robert-crumb-illustrates-philip-k -d icks-infamous-hallucinatory-meeting-with-god-1974.html
 
2014-02-03 10:44:44 AM  
He's obscure, because reading is hard, and books are obscure.
 
2014-02-03 10:44:49 AM  
Named my sheep VALIS.
 
2014-02-03 10:50:22 AM  
www.tvweek.com

R.I.P  Philip K Seymour Dick
 
2014-02-03 10:56:58 AM  
Well, that was dumb. I'm glad a freshman with a website discovered Dick.
 
2014-02-03 10:58:21 AM  
I dream of electric sheep.  Though I do no receive thoughts from outer space...yet.
 
2014-02-03 11:01:41 AM  

swahnhennessy: Well, that was dumb. I'm glad a freshman with a website discovered Dick.


Thanks for saving me the trouble. I assumed it to be the case.

His short stories are great for adaptation and I'd love one with the time traveler that keeps finding the future more and more messed up no matter what he does, then it turns out that unwittingly he doomed humanity with the butterfly pod he brought back. Granted, it will seem a lot like 12 monkeys...
 
2014-02-03 11:21:54 AM  

Mikey1969: Fun fact: In multiple cities and multiple bookstores, the one constant is that Philip K. Dick's books are the HARDEST books to get at the used bookstore. I can get ahold of Asimov and Heinlein books from the 40's easier than I can find a used book by Dick. As soonn as they appear on the shelves, they get sold.


It could be because Asimov and Heinlein are essentially genre writers (in my opinion), and Dick is something a lot more than that (in my opinion).
 
2014-02-03 11:22:09 AM  

Mikey1969: Fun fact: In multiple cities and multiple bookstores, the one constant is that Philip K. Dick's books are the HARDEST books to get at the used bookstore. I can get ahold of Asimov and Heinlein books from the 40's easier than I can find a used book by Dick. As soonn as they appear on the shelves, they get sold.


The only PKD book I've ever found in a used book store was The Man in the High Castle.

/still have it
 
2014-02-03 11:25:15 AM  
Did they even print as many PKD books as Asimov or Heinlen?
 
2014-02-03 11:28:50 AM  

karmaceutical: Did they even print as many PKD books as Asimov or Heinlen?


Probably not.

The fact that it's easier to find Asimov and Heinlein could be because they sold many more books in the first place, so you're starting with a larger pool of available books.
 
2014-02-03 11:32:24 AM  

karmaceutical: Did they even print as many PKD books as Asimov or Heinlen?


Here in the US, paperback PDK books are always in the more-expensive larger format. And bookstores always seem to have them in stock, so they must be selling.
 
2014-02-03 11:33:13 AM  

Fano: swahnhennessy: Well, that was dumb. I'm glad a freshman with a website discovered Dick.

Thanks for saving me the trouble. I assumed it to be the case.

His short stories are great for adaptation and I'd love one with the time traveler that keeps finding the future more and more messed up no matter what he does, then it turns out that unwittingly he doomed humanity with the butterfly pod he brought back. Granted, it will seem a lot like 12 monkeys...


What was the name of that story?
 
2014-02-03 11:34:32 AM  

sigdiamond2000: It could be because Asimov and Heinlein are essentially genre writers (in my opinion), and Dick is something a lot more than that (in my opinion).


That's the point. His stuff is in high demand because he's so damned good. Some of the Asimov stuff though is printings from back in the 40's though, not repritnings fromthe 80's or 90's. It's easier to find a 80 year old book that is still in great shape used than one of his.

mutterfark: The only PKD book I've ever found in a used book store was The Man in the High Castle.

/still have it


Yeah, I have spent a LOT of time in used bookstores over the years, I think I own at least a dozen of his books, and maybe 3 were used, and that's after going back over and over and over. It's funny how the bookstore people laugh at me when I ask if there is anything else used in the back... :-)
 
2014-02-03 11:36:47 AM  

Mikey1969: And I tried to watch "The Prophets of Science Fiction". It sucked. It was like it was produced by MTv.


Huh, i thought it was pretty great. Some of the stuff was a bit of a strech in some episodes, and they could have gone without the George Lucas episode.
 
2014-02-03 11:41:04 AM  
I'm a big ol' Dickhead from way back. Have almost all of his titles in my library.

My personal fave: The Three Stigmata of Palmer Eldritch.
 
2014-02-03 11:44:55 AM  
"What do you think of the accuracy of your predictions, Android Philip K. Dick?"

www.smh.com.au

"We have about 30 seconds to escape before the government operatives arrive.  Also, I don't believe that we're really having this interview, or that you or even I exist as we perceive ourselves."

"Well played!"
 
2014-02-03 11:46:58 AM  

GentlemanJ: Fano: swahnhennessy: Well, that was dumb. I'm glad a freshman with a website discovered Dick.

Thanks for saving me the trouble. I assumed it to be the case.

His short stories are great for adaptation and I'd love one with the time traveler that keeps finding the future more and more messed up no matter what he does, then it turns out that unwittingly he doomed humanity with the butterfly pod he brought back. Granted, it will seem a lot like 12 monkeys...

What was the name of that story?


"Meddler".
 
2014-02-03 11:48:01 AM  

Ambitwistor: GentlemanJ: Fano: swahnhennessy: Well, that was dumb. I'm glad a freshman with a website discovered Dick.

Thanks for saving me the trouble. I assumed it to be the case.

His short stories are great for adaptation and I'd love one with the time traveler that keeps finding the future more and more messed up no matter what he does, then it turns out that unwittingly he doomed humanity with the butterfly pod he brought back. Granted, it will seem a lot like 12 monkeys...

What was the name of that story?

"Meddler".


Thank you!
 
2014-02-03 11:48:52 AM  

Cyno01: Mikey1969: And I tried to watch "The Prophets of Science Fiction". It sucked. It was like it was produced by MTv.

Huh, i thought it was pretty great. Some of the stuff was a bit of a strech in some episodes, and they could have gone without the George Lucas episode.


I just remember it being too campy and too much of that "When we come back---" before the commercial breaks, followed by a "Before the break--" recap every time. It's old school Discovery Channel tactic to make what would normally be a half hours show stretch into a 1 hour format. I was disappointed, but I only tried to watch a couple of them before I gave up, maybe they fixed it.

And yeah, people keep calling Star Wars SciFi, when it's really just an Oatey set in space. It's damned good opera, but the SciFi aspect is really only plot devices. George Lucas was innovative in Special Effects, and (Used to) tells a great story, but I don't know about a "Prophet of SciFi" in any way.
 
2014-02-03 11:50:49 AM  

Fano: swahnhennessy: Well, that was dumb. I'm glad a freshman with a website discovered Dick.

Thanks for saving me the trouble. I assumed it to be the case.

His short stories are great for adaptation and I'd love one with the time traveler that keeps finding the future more and more messed up no matter what he does, then it turns out that unwittingly he doomed humanity with the butterfly pod he brought back. Granted, it will seem a lot like 12 monkeys...


Do you mean "A Sound of Thunder" by Bradbury? They made this into a very shiatty movie, although not as shiatty as I, Robot was.

http://www.lasalle.edu/~didio/courses/hon462/hon462_assets/sound_of_ th under.htm
 
2014-02-03 11:51:45 AM  

swahnhennessy: Well, that was dumb. I'm glad a freshman with a website discovered Dick.


Yeah, it was pretty devoid of details, and the farking slideshow was a waste of time, even for slideshows, it was a low point.
 
2014-02-03 11:58:00 AM  

dittybopper: karmaceutical: Did they even print as many PKD books as Asimov or Heinlen?

Probably not.

The fact that it's easier to find Asimov and Heinlein could be because they sold many more books in the first place, so you're starting with a larger pool of available books.


Of the mid 20th century scifi writers Dick is the least known of the greats.

My wife is fairly well read but never into scifi.  Hey dear, do you know of AC Clark?  Yep.  How about Asimov? Heard of him.  Heinlein? It sounds familiar?  Dick?  OMNOMOMOM.  No PK Dick?  Who?
 
2014-02-03 12:04:38 PM  

Mikey1969: Fano: swahnhennessy: Well, that was dumb. I'm glad a freshman with a website discovered Dick.

Thanks for saving me the trouble. I assumed it to be the case.

His short stories are great for adaptation and I'd love one with the time traveler that keeps finding the future more and more messed up no matter what he does, then it turns out that unwittingly he doomed humanity with the butterfly pod he brought back. Granted, it will seem a lot like 12 monkeys...

Do you mean "A Sound of Thunder" by Bradbury? They made this into a very shiatty movie, although not as shiatty as I, Robot was.

http://www.lasalle.edu/~didio/courses/hon462/hon462_assets/sound_of_ th under.htm


It was Meddler, as ambitwistor astuely mentioned. Lesson learned though: don't screw with butterflies when traveling through time.
 
2014-02-03 12:13:51 PM  

IC Stars: karmaceutical: Did they even print as many PKD books as Asimov or Heinlen?

Here in the US, paperback PDK books are always in the more-expensive larger format. And bookstores always seem to have them in stock, so they must be selling.


Later printings come in the more substantial trade paperback format.  Most of the stuff published when PKD was still alive were basic pulp scifi paperback, and didn't get reprinted much.  Though I do have a trade paperback of the VALIS trilogy, probably printed right around the time he died.  Got a first paperback of Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep too.
 
2014-02-03 12:16:00 PM  

Saiga410: dittybopper: karmaceutical: Did they even print as many PKD books as Asimov or Heinlen?

Probably not.

The fact that it's easier to find Asimov and Heinlein could be because they sold many more books in the first place, so you're starting with a larger pool of available books.

Of the mid 20th century scifi writers Dick is the least known of the greats.

My wife is fairly well read but never into scifi.  Hey dear, do you know of AC Clark?  Yep.  How about Asimov? Heard of him.  Heinlein? It sounds familiar?  Dick?  OMNOMOMOM.  No PK Dick?  Who?


I'd have thought PKD would have become well known after Blade Runner and/or Total Recall came out.
 
2014-02-03 12:18:12 PM  
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2014-02-03 12:24:40 PM  

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well mars is very boring
 
2014-02-03 12:27:03 PM  
The uncanny world slideshow, of Phillip K., you Dick

FTFE
 
2014-02-03 12:36:27 PM  

Mikey1969: Cyno01: Mikey1969: And I tried to watch "The Prophets of Science Fiction". It sucked. It was like it was produced by MTv.

Huh, i thought it was pretty great. Some of the stuff was a bit of a strech in some episodes, and they could have gone without the George Lucas episode.

I just remember it being too campy and too much of that "When we come back---" before the commercial breaks, followed by a "Before the break--" recap every time. It's old school Discovery Channel tactic to make what would normally be a half hours show stretch into a 1 hour format. I was disappointed, but I only tried to watch a couple of them before I gave up, maybe they fixed it.

And yeah, people keep calling Star Wars SciFi, when it's really just an Oatey set in space. It's damned good opera, but the SciFi aspect is really only plot devices. George Lucas was innovative in Special Effects, and (Used to) tells a great story, but I don't know about a "Prophet of SciFi" in any way.


WTF's an "Oatey"?
 
2014-02-03 12:37:53 PM  

kungfu jesus with a side of lime: kwyjibo2007: You know you want to be there.

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well mars is very boring


In fact, it's cold as Hell.
 
2014-02-03 12:38:29 PM  
...And do you have any examples of non-space Oateys?
 
2014-02-03 12:51:48 PM  

ZeroCorpse: ...And do you have any examples of non-space Oateys?


Grandma's been getting Oatey with sailors, Anything Goes!
 
2014-02-03 12:57:09 PM  
www.homedepot.com
Although it may have been used on Columbia.
 
2014-02-03 01:10:20 PM  

Mikey1969: Cyno01: Mikey1969: And I tried to watch "The Prophets of Science Fiction". It sucked. It was like it was produced by MTv.

Huh, i thought it was pretty great. Some of the stuff was a bit of a strech in some episodes, and they could have gone without the George Lucas episode.

I just remember it being too campy and too much of that "When we come back---" before the commercial breaks, followed by a "Before the break--" recap every time. It's old school Discovery Channel tactic to make what would normally be a half hours show stretch into a 1 hour format. I was disappointed, but I only tried to watch a couple of them before I gave up, maybe they fixed it.

And yeah, people keep calling Star Wars SciFi, when it's really just an Oatey set in space. It's damned good opera, but the SciFi aspect is really only plot devices. George Lucas was innovative in Special Effects, and (Used to) tells a great story, but I don't know about a "Prophet of SciFi" in any way.


It's more of a science fantasy than science fiction. =/
 
2014-02-03 01:10:39 PM  
The movie Screamers was a Dick ripoff, wasn't it.  Self replicating technology.  Unnerving.
 
2014-02-03 01:13:16 PM  

rlandrum: The movie Screamers was a Dick ripoff, wasn't it.  Self replicating technology.  Unnerving.


The Third Kind.  Good read.
 
2014-02-03 01:14:48 PM  

kungfu jesus with a side of lime: kwyjibo2007: You know you want to be there.

[2010philipkdickfans.philipkdickfans.com image 640x480]

well mars is very boring


And it ain't the kind of place to raise your kids
In fact, it's cold as Hell
And there's no one there to raise them if you did
 
2014-02-03 01:32:33 PM  
How do you know that it's a PKD robot?

static.businessinsider.com

It certainly has the groovy shirt down.
 
2014-02-03 01:40:13 PM  

Freschel: Mikey1969: Cyno01: Mikey1969: And I tried to watch "The Prophets of Science Fiction". It sucked. It was like it was produced by MTv.

Huh, i thought it was pretty great. Some of the stuff was a bit of a strech in some episodes, and they could have gone without the George Lucas episode.

I just remember it being too campy and too much of that "When we come back---" before the commercial breaks, followed by a "Before the break--" recap every time. It's old school Discovery Channel tactic to make what would normally be a half hours show stretch into a 1 hour format. I was disappointed, but I only tried to watch a couple of them before I gave up, maybe they fixed it.

And yeah, people keep calling Star Wars SciFi, when it's really just an Oatey set in space. It's damned good opera, but the SciFi aspect is really only plot devices. George Lucas was innovative in Special Effects, and (Used to) tells a great story, but I don't know about a "Prophet of SciFi" in any way.

It's more of a science fantasy than science fiction. =/


All science fiction is purely the imaginative fantasy of the creator, you may have more of an issue with how closely an author sticks to the science portion, but even then it's seems silly to me that people argue about that.  Nearly all of it is fantastical, some of it is just more grounded in currently known science than others.  Philip K. Dick wrote stories that were certainly fantastical, as did most of the well known sci-fi authors.
 
2014-02-03 01:44:41 PM  
carlindustries.com

What Canny Dick might look like.
 
2014-02-03 01:49:17 PM  

dittybopper: [carlindustries.com image 640x480]

What Canny Dick might look like.


this is what you can expect from a Dick/Insider article.
 
2014-02-03 01:55:10 PM  
None of you know Dick.
 
2014-02-03 01:56:45 PM  

Lumbar Puncture: Freschel: Mikey1969: Cyno01: Mikey1969: And I tried to watch "The Prophets of Science Fiction". It sucked. It was like it was produced by MTv.

Huh, i thought it was pretty great. Some of the stuff was a bit of a strech in some episodes, and they could have gone without the George Lucas episode.

I just remember it being too campy and too much of that "When we come back---" before the commercial breaks, followed by a "Before the break--" recap every time. It's old school Discovery Channel tactic to make what would normally be a half hours show stretch into a 1 hour format. I was disappointed, but I only tried to watch a couple of them before I gave up, maybe they fixed it.

And yeah, people keep calling Star Wars SciFi, when it's really just an Oatey set in space. It's damned good opera, but the SciFi aspect is really only plot devices. George Lucas was innovative in Special Effects, and (Used to) tells a great story, but I don't know about a "Prophet of SciFi" in any way.

It's more of a science fantasy than science fiction. =/

All science fiction is purely the imaginative fantasy of the creator, you may have more of an issue with how closely an author sticks to the science portion, but even then it's seems silly to me that people argue about that.  Nearly all of it is fantastical, some of it is just more grounded in currently known science than others.  Philip K. Dick wrote stories that were certainly fantastical, as did most of the well known sci-fi authors.


I would put science fantasy as a subgenre of science fiction.  There are a lot of subgenre of science fiction.  I do agree that Starw  Wars should be condsidered science fantasy or maybe space opera.  But just calling all scifi scifi is a little silly.   Saying Ben Bova is scifi and so is Frank Herbert  and so is Heinlein is meaningless to help a person understand the works.
 
2014-02-03 02:00:05 PM  
CSB:

A few months ago, my wife and I were looking at a house for sale up the street from our current place (not serious buyers, just looking at what's out there).

The place was pretty small, but had a nice backyard surrounded by a high fence.

It was only as we were leaving that I looked closely at the information sheet and saw that Philip K. Dick had lived there until he finished high school.

Now I wonder which room was his. I kind of suspect, but only he could verify.
 
2014-02-03 02:04:24 PM  
Looked at the claim that we're living in Phillip K Dick's novels in the first sentence of the article, and stopped reading. Are we all high as a kite on meth and suffering from a dissociative disorder? No? Then we're not living in Phillip K. Dick's universe. Personally, I think we're much closer to living 1984.
 
2014-02-03 02:10:55 PM  

Saiga410: I would put science fantasy as a subgenre of science fiction. There are a lot of subgenre of science fiction. I do agree that Starw Wars should be condsidered science fantasy or maybe space opera. But just calling all scifi scifi is a little silly. Saying Ben Bova is scifi and so is Frank Herbert and so is Heinlein is meaningless to help a person understand the works


While sub-genre differentiation is fine, I think it's also splitting hairs a bit and the distinction doesn't do much to help a person really understand the works any better either.  Saying one author writes Sci-fi because they included more technical detail versus one who is looser about those aspects is a little absurd.  Philip K. Dick wouldn't be sci-fi with that distinction, a lot of his stuff isn't very grounded in science and he has a lot of stories that are so far out there that their more futuristic hallucinations than anything else.  You'd have to pretty much redefine most early sci-fi when atomic energy was thrown around as the power source for everything.

Just saying, calling all sci-fi something other than sci-fi to try and narrow down the classification means tossing the baby out with the bathwater.
 
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