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2014-02-03 08:31:43 AM
I thought they investigated him and found nothing other than Mia Farrow making this up, coaching the 7 year old into lying in context of a lawsuit against him.
 
2014-02-03 08:34:06 AM

Generation_D: I thought they investigated him and found nothing other than Mia Farrow making this up, coaching the 7 year old into lying in context of a lawsuit against him.


He said/she said tends to go nowhere when there is no evidence.

However she is still saying that it happened and she is an adult now
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2014-02-03 08:35:20 AM

Generation_D: I thought they investigated him and found nothing other than Mia Farrow making this up, coaching the 7 year old into lying in context of a lawsuit against him.


So why is she still saying this now that the lawsuit is over and she isn't seven anymore?
 
2014-02-03 08:54:28 AM
I always loved the lyrics to Dory Previn's Beware of Young Girls.  She wrote it about Mia after she got pregnant by Andre Previn while he was still married to Dory.  Apparently not only were they cheating, but Mia did a real number on Dory's head.

We may not know if there's any truth the Woody allegations.  But I do know Mia's a nasty piece of work.
 
2014-02-03 09:07:55 AM

Generation_D: I thought they investigated him and found nothing other than Mia Farrow making this up, coaching the 7 year old into lying in context of a lawsuit against him.


Her brother step brother or whatever still won't speak to him and claims its true as well I think.
 
2014-02-03 09:53:04 AM

NickelP: Her brother step brother or whatever still won't speak to him and claims its true as well I think.


So he was in the room too?

cman: However she is still saying that it happened and she is an adult now


Adults never lie?


I'm not a Woody defender but come on we need better evidence than "because" reasons.
 
2014-02-03 09:59:18 AM
Sounds like Woody forgot to pay someone their hush money.
 
2014-02-03 10:35:40 AM
It bothers me that there are so many (not just here, I mean everywhere) insisting that he did do it despite there being nothing more than just unproven claims that he did.  It's like they want it to be true that he's guilty.  I really would like to know why they want it to be true that he's guilty.
 
2014-02-03 10:38:57 AM

cman: Generation_D: I thought they investigated him and found nothing other than Mia Farrow making this up, coaching the 7 year old into lying in context of a lawsuit against him.

He said/she said tends to go nowhere when there is no evidence.

However she is still saying that it happened and she is an adult now


Could be a false memory. One item that is not in dispute is that Mia Farrow is a psychobiatch. If she placed that memory into the kid's head, the adult will remember it as a true event, despite it never actually having taken place.
 
2014-02-03 10:53:59 AM
It is perfectly normal to adopt a little girl and marry her later, he loved his kids.
 
2014-02-03 11:01:59 AM

mikeray: It is perfectly normal to adopt a little girl and marry her later, he loved his kids.



It wasn't woody's kid, it was Mia's And Woody and Mia weren't married and lived separately in Apartments on the other side of Central Park.

Stilly pretty icky.
 
2014-02-03 11:29:18 AM

vpb: Generation_D: I thought they investigated him and found nothing other than Mia Farrow making this up, coaching the 7 year old into lying in context of a lawsuit against him.

So why is she still saying this now that the lawsuit is over and she isn't seven anymore?


Because you are a moron and know nothing about implanted memories.
Think back to when you were younger and you were sold into sexual slavery.
At least that's what your parents told me. Seriously, you should spend 10 years trying to remember back to those days. and get your stories right!


either she was or it is implanted.
it is impossible to tell the difference

the investigators, who were medical professionals, not cops, spent hours and days investigating this and came back with enough evidence to not charge woody, but not enough evidence to charge mia with implanting memories ...
 
2014-02-03 11:30:42 AM

Generation_D: I thought they investigated him and found nothing other than Mia Farrow making this up, coaching the 7 year old into lying in context of a lawsuit against him.


No, they found evidence that would have held up in court but it was determined that she was too fragile to put through such a high profile trial. As such, her mother declined to press the charges.

Woody Allen and Mia Farrow's divorce happened after these allegations came to the surface - she was not coaching her daughter for something that wasn't otherwise happening. Turns out some people would rather not be married to someone who would molest their daughter.

That's how I understand it.
 
2014-02-03 11:30:57 AM
we did this thread yesterday
go follow some of the links to evidence

or pretend that hearsay is evidence

/sleepers
 
2014-02-03 11:33:03 AM
http://kristof.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/02/01/an-open-letter-from-dylan - farrow/

Guys, this may clarify things a bit.  It's a hard read if you've ever been raped, but it explains a lot.
 
2014-02-03 11:39:08 AM

mrlewish: NickelP: Her brother step brother or whatever still won't speak to him and claims its true as well I think.

So he was in the room too?

cman: However she is still saying that it happened and she is an adult now

Adults never lie?


I'm not a Woody defender but come on we need better evidence than "because" reasons.


Apparently you don't understand how the internet works.
 
2014-02-03 11:39:33 AM
http://www.fark.com/comments/8125911/Woody-Allens-adoptive-daughter-g i ves-new-disturbing-details-on-sexual-abuse-he-allegedly-inflicted-on-h er#new

yesterdays thread ....


http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/01/27/the-woody-allen-all eg ations-not-so-fast.html
very detailed article which will allow you to get SOME of your facts straight

spend a few minutes reading about the "video". it is quite interesting.


"But if Mia's account is true, it means that in the middle of custody and support negotiations, during which Woody needed to be on his best behavior, in a house belonging to his furious ex-girlfriend, and filled with people seething mad at him, Woody, who is a well-known claustrophobic, decided this would be the ideal time and place to take his daughter into an attic and molest her, quickly, before a house full of children and nannies noticed they were both missing. "


/I went from thinking that Woody was creepy, to giving him the benefit of doubt.
/Implanted memories during a custody battle are pretty farked up
 
2014-02-03 11:40:16 AM

Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: It bothers me that there are so many (not just here, I mean everywhere) insisting that he did do it despite there being nothing more than just unproven claims that he did.  It's like they want it to be true that he's guilty.  I really would like to know why they want it to be true that he's guilty.


Because he represents Hollyweird and those snooty New Yorkers who think that they're too good for Real America with their artsy fartsy movies driving their Saabs and their drinking lattes.
 
2014-02-03 11:41:47 AM

serpent_sky: Generation_D: I thought they investigated him and found nothing other than Mia Farrow making this up, coaching the 7 year old into lying in context of a lawsuit against him.

No, they found evidence that would have held up in court but it was determined that she was too fragile to put through such a high profile trial. As such, her mother declined to press the charges.

Woody Allen and Mia Farrow's divorce happened after these allegations came to the surface - she was not coaching her daughter for something that wasn't otherwise happening. Turns out some people would rather not be married to someone who would molest their daughter.

That's how I understand it.




Except they weren't married. They didn't live together.
 
2014-02-03 11:43:57 AM

serpent_sky: http://kristof.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/02/01/an-open-letter-from-dylan - farrow/

Guys, this may clarify things a bit.  It's a hard read if you've ever been raped, but it explains a lot.


yup
it explains everything

either she was raped and abused
or it is an implanted memory


I know enough people who were abused, to believe that it happens and is horrible.
I know enough people who had implanted memories, to believe that it happens and is horrible.
and that it can be impossible to tell the difference

/farking nightmare either way
 
2014-02-03 11:50:08 AM

Darth_Lukecash: serpent_sky: Generation_D: I thought they investigated him and found nothing other than Mia Farrow making this up, coaching the 7 year old into lying in context of a lawsuit against him.

No, they found evidence that would have held up in court but it was determined that she was too fragile to put through such a high profile trial. As such, her mother declined to press the charges.

Woody Allen and Mia Farrow's divorce happened after these allegations came to the surface - she was not coaching her daughter for something that wasn't otherwise happening. Turns out some people would rather not be married to someone who would molest their daughter.

That's how I understand it.

Except they weren't married. They didn't live together.


And they were in the middle of custody battle when the abuse allegedly took place.


/it is weird how certain people are about this, even though all of their "facts" are completely false. Which leaves the victim and her brother (hearsay).

/HOW can society tell the difference between reality and implanted memories?
/I have watched this happen up close during a bitter divorce. The mother implanting lies, just by repeating them over and over again at the kids. The kids now swear that all of this happened, even though it was just a crazy mom.
/farking society sucks
 
2014-02-03 12:04:03 PM
I don't doubt that by now she believes it happened, but that doesn't necessarily mean it happened.
 
2014-02-03 12:05:59 PM

Generation_D: I thought they investigated him and found nothing other than Mia Farrow making this up, coaching the 7 year old into lying in context of a lawsuit against him.


More like "Do you know how much this would suck to be a 7-year-old on the stand for this kind of trial?  Maybe it would be better just to stay away from the bastard from now on."  Which is what happened.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2014-02-03 12:11:42 PM

namatad: vpb: Generation_D: I thought they investigated him and found nothing other than Mia Farrow making this up, coaching the 7 year old into lying in context of a lawsuit against him.

So why is she still saying this now that the lawsuit is over and she isn't seven anymore?

Because you are a moron and know nothing about implanted memories.
Think back to when you were younger and you were sold into sexual slavery.
At least that's what your parents told me. Seriously, you should spend 10 years trying to remember back to those days. and get your stories right!


either she was or it is implanted.
it is impossible to tell the difference

the investigators, who were medical professionals, not cops, spent hours and days investigating this and came back with enough evidence to not charge woody, but not enough evidence to charge mia with implanting memories ...


Obviously someone "implanted" memories.  Probably aliens.

I must be a moron for not immediately assuming that she is a lying whore and for thinking that a police investigation could possible fail to turn up enough evidence for an investigation if someone was guilty.
 
2014-02-03 12:13:36 PM
Maybe she was just mad because he didn't marry her he chose to marry another daughter. Marrying your daughter kinda makes you appear to be a child molester buy not in Woodyland.

Guys, he screwed his daughter and married her.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2014-02-03 12:15:31 PM
There really does seem to be a bias against women when this sort of thing comes up.

It is almost like some people have a real need for women to be assumed to be lying whores whenever they say something like this.  If she were a little boy and he was a priest no one except hard core Catholics would have the slightest doubt that he was guilty.
 
2014-02-03 12:18:27 PM
The true unsolved mystery is why anyone thinks about Woody Allen in 2014, decades after he did anything worth caring about.

/these pretzels are making me thirsty
 
2014-02-03 12:19:01 PM

Crewmannumber6: I don't doubt that by now she believes it happened, but that doesn't necessarily mean it happened.


One of two things happened and both are equally horrifying.
1) she was abused by woody
2) she was led to believe that she was abused by woody (leading questions, followed by more leading questions, shudder)

either way she believes this and has had to live her life with it.
strange that not all of the children have continued to believe the same story.
Some (one?) of the children has reconciled with Woody and believe that it was Mia and the environment around Mia, rather than Woody.

Truth?
FFS, we will never know the truth unless one of them admits it.

/worse, implanted memories happen in adults too. at this point, mia believes the story that she is telling too.
 
2014-02-03 12:19:07 PM

namatad: serpent_sky: http://kristof.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/02/01/an-open-letter-from-dylan - farrow/

Guys, this may clarify things a bit.  It's a hard read if you've ever been raped, but it explains a lot.

yup
it explains everything

either she was raped and abused
or it is an implanted memory


I know enough people who were abused, to believe that it happens and is horrible.
I know enough people who had implanted memories, to believe that it happens and is horrible.
and that it can be impossible to tell the difference

/farking nightmare either way




Or you could rely on science and the medical team who examined the girl found absolutely no evidence of abuse. And the fact that woody passed a lie detector and Mia wouldn't take one.

Or that Mia said her son was actually Sinatra... Then Said she was "Joking"

Or that one of those kids actually said there was brainwashing in the Farrow house, and has since reunited with his Woody.
 
2014-02-03 12:21:37 PM

vpb: There really does seem to be a bias against women when this sort of thing comes up.

It is almost like some people have a real need for women to be assumed to be lying whores whenever they say something like this.  If she were a little boy and he was a priest no one except hard core Catholics would have the slightest doubt that he was guilty.


TRUE!!

Except during the investigation, the girls story was less than believable and changed during the investigation.
I am not an investigator, but my guess is that they have some experience dealing with changing stories versus consistent stories.

But look at all the people who STILL think that Woody married his step-daughter. LOL
 
2014-02-03 12:23:20 PM

Darth_Lukecash: Or you could rely on science and the medical team who examined the girl found absolutely no evidence of abuse. And the fact that woody passed a lie detector and Mia wouldn't take one.

Or that Mia said her son was actually Sinatra... Then Said she was "Joking"

Or that one of those kids actually said there was brainwashing in the Farrow house, and has since reunited with his Woody.


When I learned these facts, I completely changed my view on the whole story.
I am pretty much in the "MIA IS NUTS" camp at this point.

/The girl is still damaged either way. Implanted vs real memories at this point in her life are identical. sad
 
2014-02-03 12:24:23 PM

Darth_Lukecash: Or that Mia said her son was actually Sinatra... Then Said she was "Joking"


Why havent DNA tests been done?
ONCE you go down that path publicly, DNA tests should be mandated.
 
2014-02-03 12:27:40 PM
She is also the mother of Frank Sinatra Jr.
 
2014-02-03 12:29:50 PM
Woody Allen: the model pedophile.
 
2014-02-03 12:37:07 PM

BalugaJoe: She is also the mother of Frank Sinatra Jr.


You mean ex-stepmother of Frank Jr.
 
2014-02-03 12:40:26 PM

namatad: Darth_Lukecash: Or that Mia said her son was actually Sinatra... Then Said she was "Joking"

Why havent DNA tests been done?
ONCE you go down that path publicly, DNA tests should be mandated.




if DNA were true, then it ruins the story that she and Woody had a perfect romance. People suddenly realized that Farrow would have been cheating on Woody.
 
2014-02-03 12:40:59 PM
Guilty or not, Woody Allen is one weird son-of-a-biatch and he'll always be remembered as being a weirdo with a weird private life.
 
2014-02-03 12:41:47 PM

Darth_Lukecash: mikeray: It is perfectly normal to adopt a little girl and marry her later, he loved his kids.


It wasn't woody's kid, it was Mia's And Woody and Mia weren't married and lived separately in Apartments on the other side of Central Park.

Stilly pretty icky.


Icky people attract icky people. Also, there is no way Ronan is Woody's kid. And Mia and Frank had been divorced an awfully long time when he was conceived.
 
2014-02-03 12:41:58 PM

Darth_Lukecash: serpent_sky: Generation_D: I thought they investigated him and found nothing other than Mia Farrow making this up, coaching the 7 year old into lying in context of a lawsuit against him.

No, they found evidence that would have held up in court but it was determined that she was too fragile to put through such a high profile trial. As such, her mother declined to press the charges.

Woody Allen and Mia Farrow's divorce happened after these allegations came to the surface - she was not coaching her daughter for something that wasn't otherwise happening. Turns out some people would rather not be married to someone who would molest their daughter.

That's how I understand it.

Except they weren't married. They didn't live together.


Allen never spent the night at Farrow's
 
2014-02-03 12:42:28 PM

serpent_sky: Woody Allen and Mia Farrow's divorce


Do you mean Frank Sinatra? Woody never married Mia.
 
2014-02-03 12:46:54 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: serpent_sky: Woody Allen and Mia Farrow's divorce

Do you mean Frank Sinatra? Woody never married Mia.


Strange that people assume that if there is a custody hearing and battle, that there must been a marriage.
 
2014-02-03 12:47:09 PM
Too bad Woody isn't a high school football player. This shiat would be over already.
 
2014-02-03 01:05:11 PM

namatad: Do you mean Frank Sinatra? Woody never married Mia.

Strange that people assume that if there is a custody hearing and battle, that there must been a marriage.


i didn't realize.  I honestly thought they were. I just read the daughter's account, and somehow was under the impression that she felt she had caused the problems between them, which is usually a kid blaming herself for divorce.  Though now the whole "taking her away from her mom and siblings too much" thing makes a lot more sense.

Anyone who knows me knows I will always take a victim's side, though, unless there is conclusive proof that the person did not assault them.  And in this case, I feel for her because her brother put all of this back in the spotlight via Twitter.
 
2014-02-03 01:19:40 PM
strana-sovetov.com
 
2014-02-03 01:34:30 PM
I used to think Mia was lying... but after reading the full letter his daughter wrote...  Mia did not need Woody's money... Implanted memories?  I am calling bull-shat on that one... Her account is pretty damning...  Still... would like Diane Keaton to weigh in...
 
2014-02-03 01:37:23 PM

serpent_sky: namatad: Do you mean Frank Sinatra? Woody never married Mia.

Strange that people assume that if there is a custody hearing and battle, that there must been a marriage.

i didn't realize.  I honestly thought they were. I just read the daughter's account, and somehow was under the impression that she felt she had caused the problems between them, which is usually a kid blaming herself for divorce.  Though now the whole "taking her away from her mom and siblings too much" thing makes a lot more sense.

Anyone who knows me knows I will always take a victim's side, though, unless there is conclusive proof that the person did not assault them.  And in this case, I feel for her because her brother put all of this back in the spotlight via Twitter.


THAT is the worst part of the nightmare for her.
Regardless of the cause, she is a victim. She suffers from PTSD and has gotten a bit better (married and moved on some.) But he trigger is in the news, her brother and others bring the story up again, causing more triggers.

I know that her addressing it in the letter is one way of directly addressing the PTSD. Face it, process it, lessen the impacts of the triggers.

She is a victim. PERIOD.

What we might never, ever know, is if it was caused by woody, mia or both.
THAT Woody took and passed a liar detector test and Mia refused, while not evidence in court, is certainly suspect and creates doubt, when there might have been NONE.

History is filled with stories of innocent people failing lie detector tests and guilty people passing them.
But we all fall into the trap, why did Mia refuse and how could Woody have passed if he were guilty.

/society could really use a working, fool proof, lie detector machine.
/step one would be to attach them permanently to any politician, lawyer, judge and LEO.
/lol - like they would ever let THAT happen
 
2014-02-03 01:41:51 PM

namatad: What we might never, ever know, is if it was caused by woody, mia or both.
THAT Woody took and passed a liar detector test and Mia refused, while not evidence in court, is certainly suspect and creates doubt, when there might have been NONE.


Is it that shocking that an actor could pass a lie detector test, though? A performer?  I have no idea why she refused, but it isn't entirely damning, either.

I agree with you on everything else.  The trigger is bad enough, being so famous, but for her brother to push her story into the spotlight so many years later when she was in a much better place is horrible.  I'm sure his intention was good - it's not unnatural for someone to be fiercely defensive of siblings/friends who are victims of abuse.... but I really feel for the girl to be going through all of this again.
 
2014-02-03 01:42:56 PM

justanothersumguy: I used to think Mia was lying... but after reading the full letter his daughter wrote...  Mia did not need Woody's money... Implanted memories?  I am calling bull-shat on that one... Her account is pretty damning...  Still... would like Diane Keaton to weigh in...


How does her account differ if the memories were implanted?
I read her account. It is crystal clear that she has memories.
Which is not the same as it really happened.

farking leading questions and years of Mia and her brother bad mouthing Woody can lead to exactly the same place.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misinformation_effect

The number of innocent people in prison, because they were falsely identified in a line up is terrifying.
Eye witness identification of strangers is next to worthless, but presented as fact.

http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/eyewitness-part-1/   and part 2.
It is amazing how easy it is to create false memories.
The current police process does it all the time. Not even intentionally. It just works that way.

This 60 minutes blew me away.
That the two victims wrote a book and are friends is even more amazing a story.
 
2014-02-03 01:52:33 PM

mrlewish: NickelP: Her brother step brother or whatever still won't speak to him and claims its true as well I think.

So he was in the room too?

cman: However she is still saying that it happened and she is an adult now

Adults never lie?


I'm not a Woody defender but come on we need better evidence than "because" reasons.


Assume for a moment that her allegations are true, and that he took her into a room, alone, and molested her.  Other than her statement, what evidence could possibly exist?  In he-said/she-said cases like this, the statements of the accused and accusers are often the only evidence that exists.  That makes it difficult to prosecute, obviously, but it doesn't mean that the accusers are lying.
 
2014-02-03 02:11:59 PM

justanothersumguy: I used to think Mia was lying... but after reading the full letter his daughter wrote...  Mia did not need Woody's money... Implanted memories?  I am calling bull-shat on that one... Her account is pretty damning...  Still... would like Diane Keaton to weigh in...


Did you read Bob Weide's article too?

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/01/27/the-woody-allen-all eg ations-not-so-fast.html

Do you recognize that false memory syndrome is a very real thing?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_memories

Ever been through a nasty custody battle?
 
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