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(Kitchener Record)   Q: How many bureaucrats does it take to write 140 characters?   (therecord.com ) divider line
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2014-02-03 10:14:27 AM  
"All of us" is always dumber than "some of us" is always dumber than "one of us."
 
2014-02-03 10:31:14 AM  
Good to see the twelve steps applied to twitter.
 
2014-02-03 10:31:21 AM  
A: Government shouldn't Tweet, except for the 'Safety bulletins' put out during emergencies.
 
2014-02-03 10:32:25 AM  

Mikey1969: A: Government shouldn't Tweet, except for the 'Safety bulletins' put out during emergencies.


And those apparently take 2 weeks.
 
2014-02-03 10:33:25 AM  
And they all get edited down to "poutine".
 
2014-02-03 10:34:42 AM  
"The only thing that saves us from the bureaucracy is its inefficiency."

-Leonard Nimoy
 
Rat
2014-02-03 10:34:47 AM  
Do they have a Minister of Silly Tweets?

rs778.pbsrc.com

 
2014-02-03 10:36:56 AM  
This is only important to the news media, who get all of their news through twitter now.

Nobody in Canada gives a shiat about what Industry Canada has to say about anything.
 
2014-02-03 10:52:08 AM  

SandmanEatsYourBrain: This is only important to the news media, who get all of their news through twitter now.

Nobody in Canada gives a shiat about what Industry Canada has to say about anything.


Plus they have the added challenge of saying everything in both English and French in only 140 characters.

/poutine
 
2014-02-03 10:56:13 AM  
Any company with more than one employee is going through some thought process on how to communicate to the outside world, including Twitter.  This is just an extreme example.  I prefer this over some schlub spontaneously posting bogus information on behalf of an entire organization.
 
2014-02-03 11:05:23 AM  

SandmanEatsYourBrain: This is only important to the news media, who get all of their news through twitter now.


It does seem that all the news does lately is repeat what's happening on twitter. The only ones who give a shiat what's trending are the news media.
 
2014-02-03 11:05:28 AM  

valkore: Any company with more than one employee is going through some thought process on how to communicate to the outside world, including Twitter.  This is just an extreme example.  I prefer this over some schlub spontaneously posting bogus information on behalf of an entire organization.


DeweyDefeatsTruman.jpg
 
2014-02-03 11:09:29 AM  

To The Escape Zeppelin!: SandmanEatsYourBrain: This is only important to the news media, who get all of their news through twitter now.

It does seem that all the news does lately is repeat what's happening on twitter. The only ones who give a shiat what's trending are the news media.


I would love to see news anchors read Fark threads, though.
 
2014-02-03 11:18:46 AM  

Mikey1969: A: Government shouldn't Tweet, except for the 'Safety bulletins' put out during emergencies.


and even then is should be little more than a reference to the actual bulletin.
 
2014-02-03 11:28:02 AM  

Sticky Hands: Mikey1969: A: Government shouldn't Tweet, except for the 'Safety bulletins' put out during emergencies.

and even then is should be little more than a reference to the actual bulletin.


I've actually been impressed with governmental use of Twitter in emergency situations, not that I use Twitter myself, but reading the stories afterwards, and seeing the Tweets, it works. They are able to list emergency info, evacuation info and timeframes, as well as link to sites with more info. Besides that, the only real use I see for Twitter is stuff like musicians announcing their new album or their tour dates.
 
2014-02-03 11:32:46 AM  

valkore: Any company with more than one employee is going through some thought process on how to communicate to the outside world, including Twitter.  This is just an extreme example.  I prefer this over some schlub spontaneously posting bogus information on behalf of an entire organization.


The Conservative government is doing it to control the message. Excessively.  They have already done it with the scientists as well.  Oddly this just came through my twitter.  It's a pamphlet for the minions...
img.fark.net
 
2014-02-03 11:40:15 AM  
The actual Ministers are also on a leash, it's just a little longer is all or this web site wouldn't exist.....
http://www.politwoops.com/p/conservative

Some of the Fantino ones are pretty interesting if you have been following that story at all.
 
2014-02-03 11:46:26 AM  

sno man: The Conservative government is doing it to control the message. Excessively.  They have already done it with the scientists as well.  Oddly this just came through my twitter.  It's a pamphlet for the minions...


Everyone does it to control the message.  That's the point of a marketing and PR department.
 
2014-02-03 11:56:28 AM  
This is proof that lizard people don't exist.  The truth is Vogons have invaded and their Canadian base of operations has been exposed

In the US they run the DMV
 
2014-02-03 12:00:00 PM  

sno man: The actual Ministers are also on a leash, it's just a little longer is all or this web site wouldn't exist.....
http://www.politwoops.com/p/conservative

Some of the Fantino ones are pretty interesting if you have been following that story at all.


The underlying sentiment that our elected officials can't be trusted to run their own Twitter accounts, but we should totally trust them to run the country, is a little disconcerting.
 
2014-02-03 12:01:46 PM  

valkore: sno man: The Conservative government is doing it to control the message. Excessively.  They have already done it with the scientists as well.  Oddly this just came through my twitter.  It's a pamphlet for the minions...

Everyone does it to control the message.  That's the point of a marketing and PR department.


A little context here for American readers. In previous governments, the Prime Minister and cabinet have run the show, and there were rules about talking to the media etc. But it was pretty loosy goosey and a lot of people in various positions often spoke their minds, with interesting results.

But the current govt under Harper has both ultra politicized and ultra centralised all communication so that nobody, including senior cabinet ministers, can say anything that's not pre-scripted by the PMO (prime minister's office, which these days is a group of Conservative party strategists).

Essentially the PM and his staff are attempting to produce a single voice for government, a voice that is ideologically pure, seamless, and consistent at all times, and controlled only by them. So of course every Tweet has to be screened and authorised all the way up the chain, lest someone accidentally insult the oil industry or something.
 
2014-02-03 12:02:04 PM  

valkore: sno man: The Conservative government is doing it to control the message. Excessively.  They have already done it with the scientists as well.  Oddly this just came through my twitter.  It's a pamphlet for the minions...

Everyone does it to control the message.  That's the point of a marketing and PR department.


The marketing and PR department of the party that is in charge shouldn't have extended control of the non-partisan bureaucrats. The Ministry should be responsible for it's own message.  The minions already sign non disclosure agreements and have for years.  This is a solution for a problem that didn't exist.
 
2014-02-03 12:02:55 PM  

valkore: Any company with more than one employee is going through some thought process on how to communicate to the outside world, including Twitter.  This is just an extreme example.  I prefer this over some schlub spontaneously posting bogus information on behalf of an entire organization.


The government is not a business.
 
2014-02-03 12:05:31 PM  

apoptotic: sno man: The actual Ministers are also on a leash, it's just a little longer is all or this web site wouldn't exist.....
http://www.politwoops.com/p/conservative

Some of the Fantino ones are pretty interesting if you have been following that story at all.

The underlying sentiment that our elected officials can't be trusted to run their own Twitter accounts, but we should totally trust them to run the country, is a little disconcerting.


As I mentioned above, its mainly their own boss who doesn't trust them to run their own Twitter accounts.
 
2014-02-03 12:06:40 PM  

valkore: sno man: The Conservative government is doing it to control the message. Excessively.  They have already done it with the scientists as well.  Oddly this just came through my twitter.  It's a pamphlet for the minions...

Everyone does it to control the message.  That's the point of a marketing and PR department.


Governments should not have marketing and PR departments.  The point of a business is to make money for the people who own and invest in the business.  The point of a government is to make life better for the people.  Once you start treating the government like a business, you only serve to help make money for businesses under that government, and not to better the lives of the rest of the people.
 
2014-02-03 12:07:07 PM  

No Such Agency: valkore: sno man: The Conservative government is doing it to control the message. Excessively.  They have already done it with the scientists as well.  Oddly this just came through my twitter.  It's a pamphlet for the minions...

Everyone does it to control the message.  That's the point of a marketing and PR department.

A little context here for American readers. In previous governments, the Prime Minister and cabinet have run the show, and there were rules about talking to the media etc. But it was pretty loosy goosey and a lot of people in various positions often spoke their minds, with interesting results.

But the current govt under Harper has both ultra politicized and ultra centralised all communication so that nobody, including senior cabinet ministers, can say anything that's not pre-scripted by the PMO (prime minister's office, which these days is a group of Conservative party strategists).

Essentially the PM and his staff are attempting to produce a single voice for government, a voice that is ideologically pure, seamless, and consistent at all times, and controlled only by them. So of course every Tweet has to be screened and authorised all the way up the chain, lest someone accidentally insult the oil industry or something.


^ Very much this ^

I've been in meetings in Ottawa where they were relieved to have Americans show up and ask questions (e.g. about the Arctic and energy) because Defence officers were strictly prohibited from bringing up the subject in any meeting.

And it was weird seeing Canadian government scientists at the International Polar Year meeting having government minders to prevent them from discussing their research. It was very Soviet commissar style stuff.
 
2014-02-03 12:12:46 PM  

valkore: Any company with more than one employee is going through some thought process on how to communicate to the outside world, including Twitter.  This is just an extreme example.  I prefer this over some schlub spontaneously posting bogus information on behalf of an entire organization.


This.  Think about how many major corporations and gov't agencies have had to backpedal and apologize for the brain fart of some junior marketing intern who was put in charge of the company Twitter account.  This is a bit extreme, but really, I'm not sure why large organizations even bother with Twitter at all- t's pretty hard to communicate policy in 140 characters.
 
2014-02-03 12:13:16 PM  

No Such Agency: apoptotic: sno man: The actual Ministers are also on a leash, it's just a little longer is all or this web site wouldn't exist.....
http://www.politwoops.com/p/conservative

Some of the Fantino ones are pretty interesting if you have been following that story at all.

The underlying sentiment that our elected officials can't be trusted to run their own Twitter accounts, but we should totally trust them to run the country, is a little disconcerting.

As I mentioned above, its mainly their own boss who doesn't trust them to run their own Twitter accounts.


Yeah, I know. It just strikes me as weird that the contradiction hasn't occurred to him. I would think (or at least hope) that one of the other parties could capitalize on that during the next election.
 
2014-02-03 12:19:45 PM  

moeburn: Governments should not have marketing and PR departments.


You're right. The People should never be informed of what their government is doing.
 
2014-02-03 12:26:51 PM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: moeburn: Governments should not have marketing and PR departments.

You're right. The People should never be informed of what their government is doing.


Marketing != informing
 
2014-02-03 12:31:28 PM  

moeburn: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: moeburn: Governments should not have marketing and PR departments.

You're right. The People should never be informed of what their government is doing.

Marketing != informing


Exactly. No one should ever know that the Department of Housing and Urban Development has homes for sale.
 
2014-02-03 12:32:27 PM  
So let me get this straight, Industry Canada is a government agency?
 
2014-02-03 12:33:07 PM  

sno man: valkore: Any company with more than one employee is going through some thought process on how to communicate to the outside world, including Twitter.  This is just an extreme example.  I prefer this over some schlub spontaneously posting bogus information on behalf of an entire organization.

The Conservative government is doing it to control the message. Excessively.  They have already done it with the scientists as well.  Oddly this just came through my twitter.  It's a pamphlet for the minions...
[img.fark.net image 600x800]


Just now?  Wow - the US gov't has been doing it for years.  Not sure when it became official policy, but it was before 2000, so pre-Bush and probably pre-Clinton.  Yes, it covers scientists as well.  You can answer questions during a lecture/talk, but your talk has to be cleared first.  Any reporter interview request has to be cleared by the agency media relations folk.
 
2014-02-03 12:35:32 PM  

DrunkWithImpotence: valkore: Any company with more than one employee is going through some thought process on how to communicate to the outside world, including Twitter.  This is just an extreme example.  I prefer this over some schlub spontaneously posting bogus information on behalf of an entire organization.

This.  Think about how many major corporations and gov't agencies have had to backpedal and apologize for the brain fart of some junior marketing intern who was put in charge of the company Twitter account.


Case in point:
"Maybe the rightwing will hate it, but everyone else will go awww: the adorable new #Cheerios ad w/ biracial family"
 
2014-02-03 12:42:56 PM  

jjorsett: So let me get this straight, Industry Canada is a government agency?


Yup. They cover copyrights, communications, research, our space agency, tourism (but not space tourism because that would be cool), and a host of other activities as well.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industry_Canada
 
2014-02-03 12:43:04 PM  

jjorsett: So let me get this straight, Industry Canada is a government agency?


It's the Canadian version of the US' Department of Commerce.
 
2014-02-03 01:12:17 PM  

HenryFnord: jjorsett: So let me get this straight, Industry Canada is a government agency?

Yup. They cover copyrights, communications, research, our space agency, tourism (but not space tourism because that would be cool), and a host of other activities as well.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industry_Canada


I used to work for an agency under Industry. The hoops to jump through are insane. We couldn't announce anything we were doing in a timely fashion because we had to get ministerial approval for anything on our website, and that can take up to 18 months.
 
2014-02-03 01:25:27 PM  

moeburn: Governments should not have marketing and PR departments.


I disagree. I actually work for a regional government entity. There's never been a need as I'm just a lowly IT grunt, but if a mic or recorder is ever shoved in my face in the course of my duties, I'll be saying "sorry, talk to External Relations".

I don't even know if that's official policy, but I'm not being the focal point of some stupid misquoted misunderstanding.
 
2014-02-03 01:49:23 PM  

moeburn: valkore: Any company with more than one employee is going through some thought process on how to communicate to the outside world, including Twitter.  This is just an extreme example.  I prefer this over some schlub spontaneously posting bogus information on behalf of an entire organization.

The government is not a business.


Are you sure? Because they keep trying to sell me crap I don't want.
 
2014-02-03 02:19:46 PM  
I read that in this guy's voice:

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2014-02-03 02:38:06 PM  
Harper-ism will simply not survive this imbecile. His control freak nature demands he run everything off his desk and enforce it regardless of need or value. Point blank, this man is sabotaging Canada's ability to operate.
 
2014-02-03 02:41:15 PM  

imashark: I read that in this guy's voice:

[upload.wikimedia.org image 300x400]


And now I did too, and it was awesome.
 
2014-02-04 06:25:48 AM  
But how many Canadians does it take to change a light bulb?

Twelve. Four to form a Parliamentary study committee to decide how to solve the problem, one Francophone to complain that I didn't translate this joke into French, one Native Canadian to protest that the interests of Native Canadians have been overlooked, one woman from the National Action Committee On the Status Of Women to say that women have been underrepresented in the process, one to go over the border to the Niagara Falls Factory Outlet Mall and buy a new bulb and not pay duty on it on the way back, one to actually screw it in, one to collect taxes on the whole procedure so the government can afford it, one to buy a case of Molson for everybody to drink, and one to drop the puck.
 
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