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(Sparkonit)   Forget Google's self-driving car, Lockheed Martin showed off the first ever fully autonomous convoy of armored vehicles in Fort Hood, Texas   (sparkonit.com) divider line 43
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2014-02-03 06:45:30 AM  
I'm sure the programming is easier when there's less traffic.
 
2014-02-03 07:59:46 AM  

fusillade762: I'm sure the programming is easier when there's less traffic.


As someone who knows exactly how they would go about doing this - I am less than impressed that it took them this long to get to this stage with this technology, or to even capitalize on the obvious lessons that the Iraq war taught us.

For people who are slow on the uptake - this is a direct result of the insurgents tactic of roadside bombing. Most of the targets were supply trucks, hence now we have automated supply trucks coming.

Of course, a better and cheaper option would be to give up on this nonsense all together. I feel really strongly that we shouldn't even have a ground infantry that goes over seas. I think if we have a doctrine of war, it should be based on total and overwhelming firepower - basically, if you get into a military action with the united states, we should bomb you and blast you with long range weapons mercilessly until you exist no more.

It'd likely keep both people from screwing with us as well as (hopefully!) keep our politicians from engaging in petty theatrics that turn into full blown shiatstorms like Iraq and Afghanistan. Really, there is no need for us to occupy a country when we can just destroy it. I know that sounds inhumane and that's the point. War shouldn't be an easy moral decision and we're doing our best to use technology to turn it into one.
 
2014-02-03 08:07:40 AM  
Does this mean no more escort missions? Thank God.
 
2014-02-03 08:08:29 AM  
Did they look anything like this:

static1.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2014-02-03 08:08:33 AM  
Old news is old.

Oshkosh Corporation (the truck in the picture) has been working on autonomous, semi-autonomous, and remote controlled (heavy and medium) convoy trucks for a while now. Even linked semi-autonomous (one truck driven by a person, the rest linked) trucks have been demonstrated.
 
2014-02-03 08:32:08 AM  
"The Skynet Funding Bill is passed. The system goes on-line August 4th, 1997. Human decisions are removed from strategic defense. Skynet begins to learn at a geometric rate. It becomes self-aware at 2:14 a.m. Eastern time, August 29th. In a panic, they try to pull the plug. "
 
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2014-02-03 08:37:31 AM  
Can they use them to transport all the C-27s that the Air Force has to buy from Lockheed Martin but doesn't need or want?
 
2014-02-03 08:40:36 AM  
Hell, I am waiting for cars that you drive normally until you get on a major highway where you will be going a substantial distance, then merge into a special lane and activate the auto pilot. The car would then just follow the lane keeping a defined distance from the other automated cars. It would alert you a couple of minutes before you reach your exit, but in the meantime, you can move the seat way back, pull down a little desk, and get some work done. Even major traffic delays wouldn't be a huge problem.
 
2014-02-03 08:47:41 AM  

GameSprocket: Hell, I am waiting for cars that you drive normally until you get on a major highway where you will be going a substantial distance, then merge into a special lane and activate the auto pilot. The car would then just follow the lane keeping a defined distance from the other automated cars. It would alert you a couple of minutes before you reach your exit, but in the meantime, you can move the seat way back, pull down a little desk, and get some work done. Even major traffic delays wouldn't be a huge problem.


Cadillac is supposed to have that option by next year according to some projections

http://www.wxyz.com/dpp/money/auto_news/taking-a-drive-in-a-self-dri vi ng-car-with-gms-super-cruise-cadilllac
 
2014-02-03 08:54:47 AM  

inglixthemad: Old news is old.

Oshkosh Corporation (the truck in the picture) has been working on autonomous, semi-autonomous, and remote controlled (heavy and medium) convoy trucks for a while now. Even linked semi-autonomous (one truck driven by a person, the rest linked) trucks have been demonstrated.


OshKosh? B'Gosh!
 
2014-02-03 08:54:57 AM  
Coming to a town near you.
 
2014-02-03 08:56:38 AM  

Loki009: GameSprocket: Hell, I am waiting for cars that you drive normally until you get on a major highway where you will be going a substantial distance, then merge into a special lane and activate the auto pilot. The car would then just follow the lane keeping a defined distance from the other automated cars. It would alert you a couple of minutes before you reach your exit, but in the meantime, you can move the seat way back, pull down a little desk, and get some work done. Even major traffic delays wouldn't be a huge problem.

Cadillac is supposed to have that option by next year according to some projections

http://www.wxyz.com/dpp/money/auto_news/taking-a-drive-in-a-self-dri vi ng-car-with-gms-super-cruise-cadilllac


Unfortunately, my vision of this would require a number of legal and (probably) infrastructure changes. We will likely get there eventually.
 
2014-02-03 09:09:45 AM  
FTFA: "how far is the time"

I don't know if it's proper but I don't like it. No Sir!
 
2014-02-03 09:23:05 AM  
Mine aren't armored, but they are fully autonomous, and were deployed in 2011.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUmbGPizBtI
 
2014-02-03 09:40:41 AM  

Loki009: GameSprocket: Hell, I am waiting for cars that you drive normally until you get on a major highway where you will be going a substantial distance, then merge into a special lane and activate the auto pilot. The car would then just follow the lane keeping a defined distance from the other automated cars. It would alert you a couple of minutes before you reach your exit, but in the meantime, you can move the seat way back, pull down a little desk, and get some work done. Even major traffic delays wouldn't be a huge problem.

Cadillac is supposed to have that option by next year according to some projections

http://www.wxyz.com/dpp/money/auto_news/taking-a-drive-in-a-self-dri vi ng-car-with-gms-super-cruise-cadilllac


There's an interchange near where I live that makes my gps go "left fork, left fork, left fork, whoops, RIGHT fork" just as you go past the barrier between the lanes. There's another one where the maps don't include some of the ramps, so the route always misses the turn. If we have a lot of self driving cars, there are going to be locations where they all malfunction due to data problems until they are fixed.
 
2014-02-03 09:41:04 AM  
All I want to know is how long until I can get a self driving car for an amount I can afford?

/want it NOW
 
2014-02-03 10:23:40 AM  
I welcome our robotic truck driving overlords.
 
2014-02-03 10:34:56 AM  

itcamefromschenectady: Loki009: GameSprocket: Hell, I am waiting for cars that you drive normally until you get on a major highway where you will be going a substantial distance, then merge into a special lane and activate the auto pilot. The car would then just follow the lane keeping a defined distance from the other automated cars. It would alert you a couple of minutes before you reach your exit, but in the meantime, you can move the seat way back, pull down a little desk, and get some work done. Even major traffic delays wouldn't be a huge problem.

Cadillac is supposed to have that option by next year according to some projections

http://www.wxyz.com/dpp/money/auto_news/taking-a-drive-in-a-self-dri vi ng-car-with-gms-super-cruise-cadilllac

There's an interchange near where I live that makes my gps go "left fork, left fork, left fork, whoops, RIGHT fork" just as you go past the barrier between the lanes. There's another one where the maps don't include some of the ramps, so the route always misses the turn. If we have a lot of self driving cars, there are going to be locations where they all malfunction due to data problems until they are fixed.


Google street view integration (or similar) with live updates. Your map is as up to date as the last car to drive down that road. This sort of car would also use visual cues to augment the satnav I would assume. Only the first vehicle will ever go the wrong way at any point, the ones after will know better and use the visual markers to make the right turn if the satellites are blocked or the junctions are close. After a short while of wide scale use it will be pretty solid.
 
2014-02-03 10:50:29 AM  
Anything you hear about the military doing, you can generally be sure that are actually doing it several levels more advanced.
Meaning the robot trucks they are showing you are the Model-T. They are driving the Ferrari's now.

Unless they put motion detector triggered guns on them, I'm not impressed with their use.
 
2014-02-03 12:04:25 PM  

ds615: Anything you hear about the military doing, you can generally be sure that are actually doing it several levels more advanced.
Meaning the robot trucks they are showing you are the Model-T. They are driving the Ferrari's now.

Unless they put motion detector triggered guns on them, I'm not impressed with their use.


Yea, that's nice and all that they can do convoys and not risk our troops lives, but if they still detonate IED's next to the roads or mines on the roads, then they still stop the convoy.

Unless those things have some kind of defensive weapons, then what, Taliban drives up to them, hijacks the supplies instead?
 
2014-02-03 12:24:11 PM  
Can we please give these to the Chinese drivers here in Vancouver?

/sick of almost being hit twice a day
 
2014-02-03 12:39:20 PM  

TwistedFark: I think if we have a doctrine of war, it should be based on total and overwhelming firepower - basically, if you get into a military action with the united states, we should bomb you and blast you with long range weapons mercilessly until you exist no more.


Rolling Thunder?  You're still in a nation state mind mode.
 
2014-02-03 12:39:24 PM  

dready zim: itcamefromschenectady: Loki009: GameSprocket: Hell, I am waiting for cars that you drive normally until you get on a major highway where you will be going a substantial distance, then merge into a special lane and activate the auto pilot. The car would then just follow the lane keeping a defined distance from the other automated cars. It would alert you a couple of minutes before you reach your exit, but in the meantime, you can move the seat way back, pull down a little desk, and get some work done. Even major traffic delays wouldn't be a huge problem.

Cadillac is supposed to have that option by next year according to some projections

http://www.wxyz.com/dpp/money/auto_news/taking-a-drive-in-a-self-dri vi ng-car-with-gms-super-cruise-cadilllac

There's an interchange near where I live that makes my gps go "left fork, left fork, left fork, whoops, RIGHT fork" just as you go past the barrier between the lanes. There's another one where the maps don't include some of the ramps, so the route always misses the turn. If we have a lot of self driving cars, there are going to be locations where they all malfunction due to data problems until they are fixed.

Google street view integration (or similar) with live updates. Your map is as up to date as the last car to drive down that road. This sort of car would also use visual cues to augment the satnav I would assume. Only the first vehicle will ever go the wrong way at any point, the ones after will know better and use the visual markers to make the right turn if the satellites are blocked or the junctions are close. After a short while of wide scale use it will be pretty solid.


But GPS isn't really precise enough to detect what lane you're in. Several of the behaviors which we see from navigation devices are using tricks in map displays and location. For example, at an exit if you change from the center lane to the right lane the device might think that you've taken the exit, until it realizes that you're still following the curve of the highway rather than the different curve along the exit.
 
2014-02-03 12:49:45 PM  

2wolves: TwistedFark: I think if we have a doctrine of war, it should be based on total and overwhelming firepower - basically, if you get into a military action with the united states, we should bomb you and blast you with long range weapons mercilessly until you exist no more.

Rolling Thunder?  You're still in a nation state mind mode.


Meh, had we just MOAB'd the cave network when we had evidence Osama was there instead of sending in troops and missing him, Bush might have a different footnote in history right now... *shrugs*
 
2014-02-03 01:24:00 PM  
What's the point? If this is intended to be a military convoy, you'd always need a physical military presence as an escort, so it's not like you'd be saving on manpower.
 
2014-02-03 01:28:06 PM  

KellyX: Yea, that's nice and all that they can do convoys and not risk our troops lives, but if they still detonate IED's next to the roads or mines on the roads, then they still stop the convoy.

Unless those things have some kind of defensive weapons, then what, Taliban drives up to them, hijacks the supplies instead?


Loss of supplies isn't as big of an issue as loss of life is.
 
2014-02-03 01:40:40 PM  

ShawnDoc: KellyX: Yea, that's nice and all that they can do convoys and not risk our troops lives, but if they still detonate IED's next to the roads or mines on the roads, then they still stop the convoy.

Unless those things have some kind of defensive weapons, then what, Taliban drives up to them, hijacks the supplies instead?

Loss of supplies isn't as big of an issue as loss of life is.


And it's not hard for the military to find ways to dissuade people from touching its stuff. It's easy to later tack stuff onto the basic vehicle... or into those supplies.
 
2014-02-03 01:51:42 PM  

TwistedFark: fusillade762: I'm sure the programming is easier when there's less traffic.

As someone who knows exactly how they would go about doing this - I am less than impressed that it took them this long to get to this stage with this technology, or to even capitalize on the obvious lessons that the Iraq war taught us.

For people who are slow on the uptake - this is a direct result of the insurgents tactic of roadside bombing. Most of the targets were supply trucks, hence now we have automated supply trucks coming.

Of course, a better and cheaper option would be to give up on this nonsense all together. I feel really strongly that we shouldn't even have a ground infantry that goes over seas. I think if we have a doctrine of war, it should be based on total and overwhelming firepower - basically, if you get into a military action with the united states, we should bomb you and blast you with long range weapons mercilessly until you exist no more.

It'd likely keep both people from screwing with us as well as (hopefully!) keep our politicians from engaging in petty theatrics that turn into full blown shiatstorms like Iraq and Afghanistan. Really, there is no need for us to occupy a country when we can just destroy it. I know that sounds inhumane and that's the point. War shouldn't be an easy moral decision and we're doing our best to use technology to turn it into one.


How would those tactics have worked in Afghanistan, where the enemy we were after wasn't the population of Afghanistan, but Al Queda? Keep in mind that we didn't know the precise location of their camps/leadership. How would if have worked in Iraq, where our beef was with the government, not the population of Iraq?
 
2014-02-03 01:56:08 PM  
 
2014-02-03 01:57:11 PM  
Man... Every day feels more and more like Shadowrun. Reminds me of GMing a game where I had someone hire the PCs to steal a drone milk-tanker (Yes. Milk. Relatively cheap today, but real agriculture in the Sixth world is rare and expensive) These tankers were defensive with Ares® electrical RiotCharge™ body-plating and were escorted by wheeled drone escorts.

The way the PCs pulled it off was to use ECM to mess up the escort drones' combat function when it passed over a particular overpass and then their own vehicle drove the street samurai up to the still-moving vehicle and bridged the RiotCharge plating to the chassis of the vehicle. The electrical damage actually knocked the rigger remotely piloting the tanker right out and then the PC rigger took over the tanker for long enough to pull a switcheroo. They offloaded the milk to a third party and then refilled the tanker with lake water and sent it back on course, cooking up piloting malfunction and having the decker alter the blackbox data on the vehicle itself to remove sensor data. Eventually Aztechnology would find out they'd been-had.

When we played, I would use Heat rating that would accumulate dice in a pool based on the players' previous actions. If a player did extensive damage to an entity they would get dice added to this pool. Meaning, if a PC were to go on a killing spree against a particular corporation or even the general public they'd get Heat for it. What I could do while playing was use these Heat dice to roll for a chance for something messed up to happen whenever I wanted. The related pool would determine what would happen. Say the PCs are trying to rob an office building. If the players have a high Heat rating with the Public for their reckless behavior they might have people recognize them blowing their cover, private detectives hired by grieving families catch up with them and attract higher authorities. The same would apply to criminal organizations, corporations, wealthy individuals, or even supernatural threats. Tick off that free-willed elemental? Free heat dice to roll to summon your old burning pal and burn your precious arcane book collection to dust.

Let's just say that the player's mentioned in the original anecdote managed to not get any Heat rating for their efforts. If they had disposed of the tanker properly their Heat rating would've gone up a bit but the ingenuity of sending the tanker back with false data and a fake payload would create a lot of other suspects besides the players. There were witnesses but the players were disguised. I gave them some Fame for that. Underworld contacts would know they pulled off the job. Too bad we didn't play the game enough. I always enjoyed doing PnP games with small episodes instead of some over-arching plot but I feel that pulls away from what Shadowrun really is: A survival game. A game where you only do what Shadowrunners do because you have to. Gotta keep the cred flowing, got bills to pay. You make up the reasons but the reason is usually money, one way or another.
 
2014-02-03 01:59:17 PM  

TwistedFark: fusillade762: I'm sure the programming is easier when there's less traffic.

As someone who knows exactly how they would go about doing this - I am less than impressed that it took them this long to get to this stage with this technology, or to even capitalize on the obvious lessons that the Iraq war taught us.

For people who are slow on the uptake - this is a direct result of the insurgents tactic of roadside bombing. Most of the targets were supply trucks, hence now we have automated supply trucks coming.


You are entirely wrong. The defense department has been interested in autonomous vehicles for quite some time. DARPA announced the first Grand Challenge on 7/30/2002. The U.S. didn't even start the Iraqi invasion until March of 2003.
 
2014-02-03 02:04:18 PM  
Remote weapon/sensor station on a couple of the trucks linked to a drone operator chair. Throw in a proximity sensor system that wakes the guy up so he can snooze or look at other convoys. Easy peasy. You might even include a self-destruct feature if you see a truck is disabled or being overwhelmed.

I like the GPS guided glide parachute deliveries too but getting tons airborne isn't as cost effective as the wheel.
 
2014-02-03 02:14:40 PM  
I've seen how this movie ends, and it's not well.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80ZY8bQi1k0
 
2014-02-03 02:37:46 PM  
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2014-02-03 02:40:37 PM  

stevetherobot: How would those tactics have worked in Afghanistan, where the enemy we were after wasn't the population of Afghanistan, but Al Queda?


If they run away from the bombardment they are Al Queda, if they hold their ground they are well trained Al Queda.
 
2014-02-03 03:18:46 PM  

stevetherobot: TwistedFark: fusillade762: I'm sure the programming is easier when there's less traffic.

As someone who knows exactly how they would go about doing this - I am less than impressed that it took them this long to get to this stage with this technology, or to even capitalize on the obvious lessons that the Iraq war taught us.

For people who are slow on the uptake - this is a direct result of the insurgents tactic of roadside bombing. Most of the targets were supply trucks, hence now we have automated supply trucks coming.

Of course, a better and cheaper option would be to give up on this nonsense all together. I feel really strongly that we shouldn't even have a ground infantry that goes over seas. I think if we have a doctrine of war, it should be based on total and overwhelming firepower - basically, if you get into a military action with the united states, we should bomb you and blast you with long range weapons mercilessly until you exist no more.

It'd likely keep both people from screwing with us as well as (hopefully!) keep our politicians from engaging in petty theatrics that turn into full blown shiatstorms like Iraq and Afghanistan. Really, there is no need for us to occupy a country when we can just destroy it. I know that sounds inhumane and that's the point. War shouldn't be an easy moral decision and we're doing our best to use technology to turn it into one.

How would those tactics have worked in Afghanistan, where the enemy we were after wasn't the population of Afghanistan, but Al Queda? Keep in mind that we didn't know the precise location of their camps/leadership. How would if have worked in Iraq, where our beef was with the government, not the population of Iraq?


Allah will know His own
 
2014-02-03 04:00:29 PM  

qorkfiend: What's the point? If this is intended to be a military convoy, you'd always need a physical military presence as an escort, so it's not like you'd be saving on manpower.


The savings is on drivers and crew.

You'd sooner spend the manpower on a specialized attack or support vehicle than having someone sitting in a fuel truck.



To be fair, if the autonomous convoy was covered by drones, attacking one would only gain the "victor" a swift death with no potential for US casualties.
The loss of a truck or two would be insignificant.
 
2014-02-03 04:25:41 PM  
Dan Suarez's Daemonis closer to reality than ever before.
 
2014-02-03 04:30:24 PM  
Came for Sgt. Bilko. Leaving
 
2014-02-03 07:50:18 PM  

GameSprocket: Hell, I am waiting for cars that you drive normally until you get on a major highway where you will be going a substantial distance, then merge into a special lane and activate the auto pilot. The car would then just follow the lane keeping a defined distance from the other automated cars. It would alert you a couple of minutes before you reach your exit, but in the meantime, you can move the seat way back, pull down a little desk, and get some work done. Even major traffic delays wouldn't be a huge problem.


But can an auto-pilot play Dixieland jazz?
 
2014-02-04 12:03:32 AM  

BobCumbers: Came for Sgt. Bilko. Leaving

Happy?
www.boomtron.com
 
2014-02-04 02:35:54 AM  

TwistedFark: fusillade762: I'm sure the programming is easier when there's less traffic.

As someone who knows exactly how they would go about doing this - I am less than impressed that it took them this long to get to this stage with this technology, or to even capitalize on the obvious lessons that the Iraq war taught us.

For people who are slow on the uptake - this is a direct result of the insurgents tactic of roadside bombing. Most of the targets were supply trucks, hence now we have automated supply trucks coming.

Of course, a better and cheaper option would be to give up on this nonsense all together. I feel really strongly that we shouldn't even have a ground infantry that goes over seas. I think if we have a doctrine of war, it should be based on total and overwhelming firepower - basically, if you get into a military action with the united states, we should bomb you and blast you with long range weapons mercilessly until you exist no more.

It'd likely keep both people from screwing with us as well as (hopefully!) keep our politicians from engaging in petty theatrics that turn into full blown shiatstorms like Iraq and Afghanistan. Really, there is no need for us to occupy a country when we can just destroy it. I know that sounds inhumane and that's the point. War shouldn't be an easy moral decision and we're doing our best to use technology to turn it into one.


Agreed, but every autonomous unit we put in theater puts pressure on insurgents. They will eventually have to start trading their lives to destroy plastic and aluminum manufactured goods.
 
2014-02-04 01:43:57 PM  

Loki009: GameSprocket: Hell, I am waiting for cars that you drive normally until you get on a major highway where you will be going a substantial distance, then merge into a special lane and activate the auto pilot. The car would then just follow the lane keeping a defined distance from the other automated cars. It would alert you a couple of minutes before you reach your exit, but in the meantime, you can move the seat way back, pull down a little desk, and get some work done. Even major traffic delays wouldn't be a huge problem.

Cadillac is supposed to have that option by next year according to some projections

http://www.wxyz.com/dpp/money/auto_news/taking-a-drive-in-a-self-dri vi ng-car-with-gms-super-cruise-cadilllac


Isn't that special.   Infrastructure is crumbling across the country and you think that somehow we'll fund the building of special lanes.    Good luck with that.   I'm sure the lawyers are dying for that.   Why sue a driver when you can sue GM?
 
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