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(PennLive)   They died doing what they loved: Each other. In an idling car. In an enclosed garage   (pennlive.com) divider line 52
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2014-02-02 07:24:44 PM  
That's almost as good as in a Vegas hotel room with a bottle of Viagra on the nightstand and a hooker on 911. Commendable effort. Well done.
 
2014-02-03 12:04:25 AM  
Talk about auto erotic asphyxiation!
 
2014-02-03 12:21:54 AM  
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2014-02-03 01:11:38 AM  
Darwin strikes again.
 
2014-02-03 02:26:08 AM  
Are there enough "they said" and "police said" in that article?
 
2014-02-03 02:32:54 AM  
Not that I'm planning to try, but with a modern car and a working catalytic converter, it shouldn't create enough carbon monoxide to kill you, unless your garage is really small and really well sealed.

But there was also a kerosene heater, and those create carbon monoxide like nobody's business.
 
2014-02-03 02:36:02 AM  

fusillade762: Talk about auto erotic asphyxiation!


giggle *snort!*
 
2014-02-03 02:36:42 AM  
Unfortunately the age and model of the vehicle was not in the headline. I believe modern (gasoline) cars in good condition cannot kill someone with CO fumes. Unless the car was more than 30 years old, diesel, or in very poor condition (like a missing catalytic converter), it was probably the kerosene heater that killed them.
 
2014-02-03 02:37:37 AM  
by headline I mean article. Good night!
 
2014-02-03 02:40:29 AM  

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That would be funnier if that didn't appear to be an air soft gun.
 
2014-02-03 02:44:53 AM  
Nominee???

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2014-02-03 02:49:40 AM  
Marijuana and drug paraphernalia were found in the car, they said

The Demon Weed takes another pair of souls.

How sad.

How sad.
 
2014-02-03 02:50:44 AM  

fusillade762: Talk about auto erotic asphyxiation!


Funny enough to overlook the fact that it wasn't asphyxiation.
 
2014-02-03 02:51:52 AM  
I was about to vote Darwin, but if they also lit a kerosene heater I would lean toward suicide pact.
 
2014-02-03 02:56:56 AM  

The Jami Turman Fan Club: Not that I'm planning to try, but with a modern car and a working catalytic converter, it shouldn't create enough carbon monoxide to kill you, unless your garage is really small and really well sealed.

But there was also a kerosene heater, and those create carbon monoxide like nobody's business.


Unless, perhaps, the exhaust was leaking before it hit the converter.
 
2014-02-03 03:04:50 AM  
They were both 40. Either they already have kids, or probably weren't going to. No Darwin award here.
 
2014-02-03 03:06:35 AM  

cyberspacedout: The Jami Turman Fan Club: Not that I'm planning to try, but with a modern car and a working catalytic converter, it shouldn't create enough carbon monoxide to kill you, unless your garage is really small and really well sealed.

But there was also a kerosene heater, and those create carbon monoxide like nobody's business.

Unless, perhaps, the exhaust was leaking before it hit the converter.


It'll spit out a decent amount of carbon monoxide, but it's kind of working like air conditioning in a car set to recirculate.  It'll go in the intake, go out the exhaust, pretty soon the intake is getting air that has carbon monoxide and carbon dioxide in it and less oxygen, and the air/fuel ratio drops and causes even more incomplete combustion that produces even more carbon monoxide.

Emissions are pretty good nowadays but it's still safer to go for a quickie in this scenario
 
2014-02-03 03:08:13 AM  

iwantamonkey: Unfortunately the age and model of the vehicle was not in the headline. I believe modern (gasoline) cars in good condition cannot kill someone with CO fumes. Unless the car was more than 30 years old, diesel, or in very poor condition (like a missing catalytic converter), it was probably the kerosene heater that killed them.


I'm not gonna try it, YOU try it!...I'M not gonna try it!...Let's get Mikey!
 
2014-02-03 03:08:17 AM  

aerojockey: I was about to vote Darwin, but if they also lit a kerosene heater I would lean toward suicide pact.


That was my thought as well.

I mean heck, if you're going to do a suicide pact may as well go out with a bang.
 
2014-02-03 03:10:17 AM  
Yeah, sometimes "too stupid to live" goes all literal on you when you're the kind of person it applies to figuratively on a regular basis.  That's statistics for you.
 
2014-02-03 03:15:54 AM  

thursdaypostal: aerojockey: I was about to vote Darwin, but if they also lit a kerosene heater I would lean toward suicide pact.

That was my thought as well.

I mean heck, if you're going to do a suicide pact may as well go out with a bang.


It seems this one left them exhausted.
 
2014-02-03 03:17:34 AM  
So, did he come, or what?
 
2014-02-03 03:22:08 AM  

aerojockey: I was about to vote Darwin, but if they also lit a kerosene heater I would lean toward suicide pact.


Yeah I'm leaning that way too. I've had some exes and friends into....hell....pick something, but leaving the motor running in the garage seems deliberate to me. And I sure as hell not going to off myself like that.
 
2014-02-03 03:22:30 AM  

2CountyFairs: So, did he come, or what?


Came and went at the same time.
 
2014-02-03 03:30:25 AM  

aerojockey: I was about to vote Darwin, but if they also lit a kerosene heater I would lean toward suicide pact.


yeah, that's my thought, too
 
2014-02-03 03:47:06 AM  

fanbladesaresharp: Yeah I'm leaning that way too. I've had some exes and friends into....hell....pick something, but leaving the motor running in the garage seems deliberate to me. And I sure as hell not going to off myself like that.


I'm leaning towards it was cold.
I had a flatmate from Brownsville. He used to leave the oven on cause our heat was insufficient. Once I was in bed with my lady friend on a Friday and the fire alarm went off, as they always did. I almost convinced her that "HEY, this time I'm not going out for yet another false alarm." But I went just to check. He wasn't in his room, but an inferno was. Firemen burst in fairly promptly and put it out. Hell of a response. Never figured out if it was the candles, cologne, or space heater (or all three) which cause the fire; they were all on his dresser...

/he was a toughhhhh guy
//but he was so wimpy about the cold...
 
2014-02-03 04:11:06 AM  
CO poisoning is odd and I almost succumbed to it myself without proper ventilation.  You don't see it coming literally.  We are all chronically poisoned with sub lethal doses.
 
2014-02-03 05:44:35 AM  

berylman: CO poisoning is odd and I almost succumbed to it myself without proper ventilation.  You don't see it coming literally.  We are all chronically poisoned with sub lethal doses.


Having had a close call with CO(my alarm worked!) I've since double downed and have a minimum of 2 CO detectors in my house.  Turned out to be a plugged furnace exhaust.

Other than that, I wouldn't say 'chronically poisoned' - my detectors have remained pegged at zero otherwise.  CO works in such a fashion that it shouldn't cause much harm until it displaces enough oxygen carrying capacity to cause damage.
 
2014-02-03 06:24:14 AM  

aerojockey: I was about to vote Darwin, but if they also lit a kerosene heater I would lean toward suicide pact.


i1.ytimg.com

We had a pact!

/too soon?
 
2014-02-03 06:31:08 AM  
Keith Payton, 40, of Allenwood and Williamsport, and Salina Johnson, 40 of Williamsport, were discovered about 9:30 p.m. Friday in a garage along Bloomingrove Road north of Williamsport.

This is the second report of a Peyton-related choking incident this weekend.
 
2014-02-03 06:44:37 AM  
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2014-02-03 06:54:07 AM  
Well if your gonna die, it might as well be doing someone you love ...
 
2014-02-03 07:06:25 AM  
Jumped in quickly for Darwin references, leaving satisfied.
 
2014-02-03 07:13:35 AM  
We had a similar incident happen in our town a few years back. I heard from a cop source that the guy was 100 pounds soaking wet & the girl was some huge 300+ pound beast. Bet that was quite a sight.
 
2014-02-03 07:54:42 AM  
Cadillac Seville Huffman? Amirite?
 
2014-02-03 08:12:06 AM  
Marijuana and drug paraphernalia were found in the car, they said.

Another senseless marijuana death. When will we learn and make it illegal?
 
2014-02-03 08:13:30 AM  

Mad Mark: We had a similar incident happen in our town a few years back. I heard from a cop source that the guy was 100 pounds soaking wet & the girl was some huge 300+ pound beast. Bet that was quite a sight.


Our town also had a similar story. Man and woman were found several days after they died, still "connected". They were in such bad shape that the car had to be towed with them still in it and then they were pulled out of the car together. Local law enforcement still talks about the smell more than two decades later.
 
2014-02-03 08:26:32 AM  
I think this is probably defining one end of the "best-worst ways to die" spectrum. I suspect the other end would be burning to death.
 
2014-02-03 08:26:40 AM  
There's just some things you don't talk about in public!
 
2014-02-03 08:50:07 AM  
Did he at least get a 'happy ending'?
 
2014-02-03 09:46:48 AM  
Regular CO alarms will not go off unless the levels are above 70 ppm. I bought an Kidde Nighthawk digital led display alarm so I could read the display without having to be next to it. It only starts reading when the levels are above 30, they consider less than that normal everyday for healthy people.

When I got it, there were times it would flicker between 30-36, which is low level, but with a gas stove and space heater,I had to find out where it was coming from. Just in a corner near the ceiling there was a screen I had not paid any attention to until I decided to dust it off. It turned out this lead to an outside vent and when I cleaned it, my peak levels dropped to a safe 14. The pilot lights on the gas stove were giving off a little CO,but with nowhere to vent, it had built up to low levels in my place. It has stayed at 14 peak since.

Get one of these. They are not lab grade indicators,but can alert you to trouble spots early on. CO doesn't have a smell to it like smoke or natural gas.
 
2014-02-03 09:50:15 AM  
"I'm not taking that off, it's COLD"
" Don't worry, I'll leave the car on..."
 
2014-02-03 10:11:39 AM  
WTF???

If there was a garage, then there must have been a house. DNRTFA, so maybe I'm missing something simple and obvious here, but why not just have sex in the house instead of in a cramped car?
 
2014-02-03 10:16:18 AM  

gretzkyscores: WTF???

If there was a garage, then there must have been a house. DNRTFA, so maybe I'm missing something simple and obvious here, but why not just have sex in the house instead of in a cramped car?


They may have been cheating on their spouses/significant others, or had some other reason to keep the the nature of their relationship secret.
 
2014-02-03 12:04:36 PM  

aerojockey: I was about to vote Darwin, but if they also lit a kerosene heater I would lean toward suicide pact.


Maybe a copycat serial killer?

/possible murder/accidental suicide?
 
2014-02-03 12:30:35 PM  

Firethorn: CO works in such a fashion that it shouldn't cause much harm until it displaces enough oxygen carrying capacity to cause damage.


Uhh, no--  Pretty sure you're thinking CO2 or Nitrogen or Helium or other "nontoxic" gasses.

As I understand it CO kills because it attaches to your blood's hemoglobin MUCH stronger than regular oxygen, progressively destroying your blood's ability to move oxygen to your cells.  Ozone is the same way, only will kill in smaller doses, and you can smell ozone.
 
2014-02-03 12:37:31 PM  

aerojockey: fusillade762: Talk about auto erotic asphyxiation!

Funny enough to overlook the fact that it wasn't asphyxiation.


That's something I always wondered about.  The usual spiel you hear is that carbon monoxide "poisoning" happens because blood absorbs CO more quickly than oxygen, blocking the body's ability to replenish its oxygen supplies.  Well, doesn't that mean the cause of death is in fact "asphyxia" (lack of oxygen) and not "poisoning" (bad chemical reaction inside the body)?

Well, according to the CDC website on CO poisoning, CO actually can "combine with proteins in tissues, destroying the tissues."  So I guess it actually can be called "poisoning."

/The More You Know
 
2014-02-03 02:39:59 PM  

The Jami Turman Fan Club: Not that I'm planning to try, but with a modern car and a working catalytic converter, it shouldn't create enough carbon monoxide to kill you, unless your garage is really small and really well sealed.

But there was also a kerosene heater, and those create carbon monoxide like nobody's business.


Isn't this how the MTV "star" of Buckwild went?
 
2014-02-03 02:59:06 PM  

SkunkWorx: aerojockey: fusillade762: Talk about auto erotic asphyxiation!

Funny enough to overlook the fact that it wasn't asphyxiation.

That's something I always wondered about.  The usual spiel you hear is that carbon monoxide "poisoning" happens because blood absorbs CO more quickly than oxygen, blocking the body's ability to replenish its oxygen supplies.  Well, doesn't that mean the cause of death is in fact "asphyxia" (lack of oxygen) and not "poisoning" (bad chemical reaction inside the body)?


Correct, that's the more immediately harmful part. Accumulation isn't a big deal, even if CO affixes itself firmly in place of oxygen, because the lifespan of a red blood cell is very short, only a few days. As long as you aren't getting harmful repeated doses in that timeframe, the hemoglobin will be broken down. CO is a pretty normal thing, your body chemistry already knows how to deal with it as long as it isn't overwhelmed.
 
2014-02-03 08:14:30 PM  

Riche: Ozone is the same way


ozone actually binds with cholesterol to increase plaque buildup in your blood vessels, and can cause/worsen heart disease.

it also damages your lungs.
 
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